How's That Competitive Balance Thing Working Out, Silver?
NBA basketball has just suffered through a five month lockout. Twenty percent of the games will not be played, and the season will be fully eight weeks late when it finally tips off. That is assuming of course that the new collective bargaining agreement actually gets written and ratified by both parties by next week.
Among the highest priorities for the owners were competitive balance in the league, and helping small market teams succeed financially and competitively. Oh yeah, and money was something of a priority as well. And here we are, in the first week after the announcement of the deal, and all anyone is talking about is how Chris Paul will force his way out of New Orleans and Dwight Howard will force his way out of Orlando. Oh, and so far they're not demanding to go to smaller markets.
The owners got their money - but it was always clear that they were wasting their time talking about how they were going to improve competitive balance. If LeBron James to Miami and Carmelo Anthony to New York were their nightmare scenarios, well those situations will look comparatively pleasant compared to what's about to happen in New Orleans and Orlando. As for what else the NBA has done for small market teams, well for some reason revenue sharing is one thing that they've failed to release any details about. Which as far as we can tell, leaves small markets more or less exactly where they were, at least in relation to their large market brethren.
As Zach Lowe of Sports Illustrated put it, "You cannot legislate market appeal out of the NBA - or friendships, or free will, or smart cap management, or beaches or whatever else." Chris Paul has the leverage in New Orleans, because he's the one that dribbles the basketball, not Dell Demps. No amount of tweaking to the CBA was going to be able to stave off this situation. Some of the new rules may make it a little less lucrative for Paul to leave the Hornets - but James and Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all took less money to play together in Miami last summer, so we already knew that slight reductions in 8 or 9 figure contacts weren't particularly effective deterrents. And it's clear that a harder cap wouldn't have kept Paul out of New York - the Knicks should have the cap space to sign him in the summer, which is exactly the scenario they want. Nothing the league could have done - nothing legal, that is, in a post-Andy-Messersmith world - had much hope of altering this situation significantly.
Of course this is all of particular interest to the Clippers right now. They happen to be in one of those big markets where players (particularly stars who can make a lot of money in media exposure) like to live. And unlike in years past, they happen to be in a position to be competitive. So Paul or Howard or Deron Williams could conceivably wind up in LA playing for the Clippers - they've got the market, they've got the trade assets, they've got the money, and they've got the team.
Which I guess is a minor victory for competitive balance - but still a big loss for small markets. There is simply no way that market size will ever not matter - not in the foreseeable future anyway. But a bad team can get good with some good decisions and some luck in the draft. Let's be clear - these All-NBA players are expressing some interest in the Clippers in part because the Clippers currently have a bright future. And that future could be bright with or without a major trade. Those assets that the Clippers have that might make a deal possible? Those asset put the Clippers in the driver's seat for any trade scenario for one simple reason - they're really valuable. And they'd be valuable if the Clippers held onto them as well.
Minnesota's unprotected draft pick in 2012 will almost certainly be in the lottery, and will likely be very high. Eric Bledsoe and Al-Farouq Aminu are still brimming with potential at 21. DeAndre Jordan is emerging as a defensive force at 23. Eric Gordon is arguably the best shooting guard under 30 in the league - and he's only 22. If some of these assets are packaged into a trade for an All Pro in his prime, it will be because the team on the receiving end thinks they can be significant players as well. And if no trade happens, they could still emerge for the Clippers. It's not just the market - the Clippers have drafted well in recent years - and of course they got lucky in winning the Blake Griffin lottery.
At this point Paul has told the Hornets that he won't sign an extension in New Orleans and that he wants a trade to New York. Williams has likewise told the Nets that he'll be a free agent at year's end. The situation with Howard is so dire that the rumor now is that Orlando is trying to trade him before the start of the season.
Paul's situation is the most advanced, but could be repeated with the others more or less. If indeed he has specified a one and only one destination - New York - he has put the Hornets in a terrible position. The Knicks have nothing of value to offer the Hornets in trade - unless they want to send Amare Stoudemire or Carmelo Anthony, which would sort of defeat the purpose of the super team concept. New York cleared out their entire cupboard to acquire Anthony last year - they don't even have a tradeable first round draft pick until 2018.
Paul can scare off any other would be trade partners by saying that he will refuse to sign an extension with them, turning any trade into a rental measured in months. That's exactly what happened with Anthony last year. But in Denver's case, New York was eventually able to put together a legitimate offer - a fantastic offer when compared to what they could scrape together at this point for Paul. But even if the trade offer is a joke in terms of Paul's actual value, would the Hornets be forced to take it if it were there only option?
Ironically, in a manifestation of my dear old favorite "Law of unintended consequences" the new CBA rules limiting the length of extend and trade deals and free agents contracts with other teams might actually end up costing Paul nothing. As Lowe points out, if Paul assures the Knicks that he will sign a new deal with them, but does not actually sign an extension, he could take his Bird rights to New York with him in a trade - at which point he'd be eligible to sign just as rich a contract in New York as he could in New Orleans.
Or the Clippers might emerge as the viable alternative in this mess. This would only be predicated on Paul being amenable to playing for the team of course. If New Orleans decides that they must trade Paul before they lose him outright (likely), it's a given that the Clippers can make a better offer than can New York. If no other realistic trade destinations emerge, then it seems likely that Paul will be a Clipper - BUT only if he indicates a willingness to do so.
How long will this all drag on? Who knows? Bear in mind that most pundits thought that Anthony would be traded before training camps opened last year, but in fact he remained in Denver until February. Paul's situation could go on all season - New York has so little to offer that New Orleans could decide to keep him and take their chances next summer. As the season kicks off and moves on, the situation will begin to move. If New Orleans is bad, Paul might feel a greater urgency to leave and relax his destination requirements. If the Clippers play well, they might become a more attractive destination (or conversely, if they play poorly they would become less attractive). If Minnesota loses ten straight to start the season, the draft pick gets more valuable - if they lose, it gets less so.
We're about two days into something that could go on for eight months. And somehow, the CBA didn't magically make everything all better. Go figure.
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No way CP3 gets trade to the Knicks
The Knicks really have zero assets i think they will get more in a rental with other team or would play the season and see if he really is willing to lose the 40 million before trading him to the Knicks.
Not necessarily true
Billups is on his last year of his contract at 14mil. Ronny Turiaf is in France and also making 4 mil expiring and Landry Fields is productive. There is also the Amnesty Clause. The Hornets are owned by the NBA…things can happen.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
A trade with those players
would make the Gasol trade look fair in comparison.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Amnesty clause?
What does the amnesty clause have to do with it?
NY can provide salary relief, sure. But useful players? Landry Fields is it. So you’re saying NOH should trade Chris Paul for Landry Fields.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
I keep asking how CP3 could possibly land with the Knicks
In what scenario is that an actual possibility other than what you said in this post (trading CP3 for Amare or Melo) which wouldn’t make any sense. In any case, the Clips are in a good position right now.
a la Anthony last year
CP3 won’t sign an extension unless it’s sign and trade with the Knicks. No teams would trade for CP3 without an extension in place.
No, it's the Clip Show!
a lot of teams would trade for CP3 without an extension
i would offer Kaman/Aminu/Bledsoe for him before the season began if he can’t be have withou the extension.
CP3 to NY is ludicrous. Get over it, Chris.
If the Hornets are willing to accept a legit package of Kaman, Bled, Aminu, Minny pick, then CP would be crazy not to accept a Clipper trade. We are likely to sign a quality role player SF like Prince/Battier/Butler, which would complete a starting 5 along with EJ, Griffin, DJ, and CP. Thats one of the best lineups in the league-better than any of his Hornet squads- and with UPSIDE. With the Knicks CP would roll with 2 scoring forwards who play mediocre defense, and barely anything left to spend on a supporting cast. But I guess just being the toast of the big apple is enough for some people. If thats the case, good riddance, we have a great team and future nonetheless.
Took the words out of my mouth
I don’t understand how Paul sees the Knicks being a championship team for exactly the reasons you pointed out. You need both defense and a solid bench, and they would have very little of either. He makes any team better, but not good enough to circumvent those key things. He must really want to play with his homies.
I was thinking this too, but
Isn’t that what he’s basically doing now though? He’s eligible for an extension and not taking it, instead he’s playing out the year (or at least a portion of the year) before being willing to sign an extension. That said, I do think the “handshake agreement” scenario presented by Lowe is risky for both parties (as Lowe acknowledges.)
by Michael White on Dec 2, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
I meant it more in re: the Clippers chances.
He can still sign an extension with another team this year if NOH trades him… I doubt they trade him to the Knicks though since they have nothing to offer.
If he has a choice between his A option (NYC) but risk of losing $60m+ or B option (LAC) and be certain he is set for life…
… B option will hold some appeal, I’d imagine.
Remember...
He can sign a longer extension now if he stays in New Orleans. Any other destination – NYK or LAC – will definitely involve more risk. The new extend and trade only allows for one more year – so if he extends with LAC, it’s only through 2014 (he keeps his option year and adds one more).
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
That confuses me - I thought he could reup for four years in a sign and trade
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
You're not the only once...
OK, first of all, this isn’t a sign and trade, it’s an extend and trade. Different rules.
Larry Coon’s article at ESPN is the best single overview so far (short of reading the NBA’s leaked memo, which is way confusing), but here’s the key passage:
All other veterans can extend for four total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contract. The extension in an extend-and-trade contract is limited to three total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on the current contract.
Three total seasons… Paul actually has two seasons left on his current deal, with an ETO (or player option, I don’t know which, but they’re basically the same thing) for the second year. So if he signs an extension now with the Clippers, it goes three total seasons – this one, 12-13, and 13-14.
If he signs an extension now with NOH, it goes through 2015.
So if he’s worried about his knees giving out, maybe he stays in Nawlins.
But here’s a different angle – Paul is 26. Extend and trade puts him on the market again at 29. If he takes a trade with no extension and a wink-wink agreement with the Knicks to sign as a Bird FA, he can sign a 5 year deal, which puts him on the market at 31. He’s at relatively little risk right now if he’s feeling healthy. The bigger question may be what kind of deal can he get in that NEXT contract. 29 is probably the sweet spot for signing one last huge deal.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Please tell me why you didn't fanshot the Coon piece?
Who are you, Buddahfan? That’s easily the best article on the new CBA. And you bury it in a thread. Why do I have to tell you how this blog works?
Has it not been fan-shotted yet?
How do you expect me to keep up with everything around here? I thought everyone had read the Coon piece already. Sheesh.
But yeah, it’s solid gold.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
For the record...
CP3 has said he would sign an extension with the Clippers.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
by 82-0 on Dec 2, 2011 7:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
According to Chris Broussard
Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
For what it's worth
Broussard seems to have an in with that clique (Lebron, Wade, Melo, CP3). If it was any other reporter I would question it, but Broussard was the one guy who knew where LBJ was going before anyone else. Way before anyone else.
The real complicating factor right now is that it’s possible CP3 may not even really know what he wants. I think it’s clear he would like to be in NY. But does he want to be there at any cost? I’m not sure he’s even gotten to the point where he’s considered other teams.
Bucher did report that CP3 doesn’t want the Hornets to get shafted in a trade. If that’s true…red, white and blue…
Interesting...
I had not seen that from Bucher. Do you have a link?
There different levels of loyalty here. There’s the loyalty of “I’m staying in New Orleans because I want to help the city even at the expense of my own happiness” all the way to “I don’t give a F*** what happens, I’m outta here.” If Paul cares at least some, he might help the team get something in return.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Here's Bucher's story today
According to Bucher’s story, CP3 knows the Knicks don’t have the assets to make a trade.
What will Demps hear that day? Apparently, not even Paul may know. “At this time, he is weighing his options and deciding what the best thing to do is,” the source familiar with Paul’s thinking said.
If Paul leaves the Hornets, the source said, he would want the team to be content with the assets it receives in return. Paul indeed has gone out of his way to pay respect to New Orleans and the Hornets’ organization by refusing to give any credence to persistent speculation that he is looking to go elsewhere.
Wow
That’s huge. That’s a game changer.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Right but NO will never be "content"
And he’s going to have to tell them he is leaving if he is in fact leaving.
This is going to be Melo II unless they act right now.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
It's not really Melo II.
I don’t recall Melo even pretending to care what the Nuggets would get out of a possible trade involving him… he just wanted out. CP3 is at least showing consideration to his former team by wanting them to get SOME adequate compensation. That’s where we come in.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
He may be just saying that
It really doesn’t matter if NO is offered alot if he doesn’t want to go to the team.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
That's impressive, but
you can’t always please everyone, and I imagine that Paul has a few priorities ahead of NO’s future roster. It’s nice to have some weight tilting things our way, but I wouln’t call it a game changer.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
All depends on if it's true
But if it’s true, then yeah, I think it’s a game-changer. Because CP3’s first choice has nothing – so if he’s sincere about not forcing NOH to take a terrible deal, then his first choice is out.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
did he
know where lebron was going? All I remember is he had the “latest breaking news” like everyday, and everyday it seemed to change. He was sticking with the “Lebron is going to Chicago” angle for quite a while. With only like 6 teams able to sign lebron, he was bound to get it right sometime. Maybe he broke the news a few hours before he was announced on live TV, but I don’t remember him saying miami like way before anyone else. And if he did, I certainly wasn’t paying attention, since he just seemed to get his face on TV every day for a few months talking about lebron, and I was pretty sick of his shtick.
No Broussard was all over it
I think you’re mistaking Broussard and Bucher. The Decision was July 8th, and if you do a quick google search, you’ll see that Broussard had it before anyone else. In fact, on the day of, Bucher was still insisting that he was hearing Chicago…which obviously made him look pretty bad.
Here’s a link from the Celtic’s Blog quoting Broussard’s tweet the night before The Decision:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/7/8/1558253/espns-broussard-reporting-lebron
I guess, he might've reported it the night before, I don't call that an "in" with the group though
I was so just sooooo sick of Broussard talking like he knew everything lebron was thinking for like the month leading up to the decision. Maybe by then I just tuned him out. Definitely wasn’t thinking of Bucher. Brussard’s ugly mug was all over ESPN on like every show he could get on.
If Olshey really wants to lure CP3 or D Howard to the Clippers
All he needs to do is email that powerful PowerPoint Presentation they used for LeBron.
Also if you read the Hornets blog they all want Gordon in any sort of trade scenario and are less impressed with the Minny pic and Kaman’s exp contract.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
And the DVD?
I don’t think he’ll have enough time to upload it all in an e-mail. After all, I think it’s a fair assumption that Sterling had to be convinced to spring for a dial-up connection?
Gordon, Kaman, AND the Minny pick!
Then they don’t get the Powerpoint DVD! Enough is enough.
Not very well, apparently.
But don’t worry. We keep BG, EJ, and DJ, a plenty of talent will want to come play for LAC.
No, it's the Clip Show!
Should probably have brought him up in the body
But Silver was always the one flogging competitive balance moreso than Stern. I just associate that part of the process with him.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
What should they do Clippers fans?
We know the Knicks are Paul’s first option but we think he’ll consider the Clippers. And I think we all believe that once he got to play with Griffin, Gordon, and DJ he would want to stay. So the question is what should the Clippers offer without a guaranteed extenstion from Paul?
If the trade is made by early January, then the Clippers will have Paul’s full bird rights by the time he can opt out when free agency begins in early July. (the loophole that Zach Lowe explains). That means 1) Paul has played with Griffin for 4 or so months. (And lived in LA for 4 months also) 2) The Clippers can offer him the full 5 year / 100M contract. If he goes to the Knicks he’ll only get around 4 years for $58M. 3) He’ll have spent the last 4 months with a close-up of Sterling’s face.
In my opinion even without the extension the Clippers should still offer: Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, and the Minny pick. I wouldn’t include Gordon. Its too much to risk a known commodity. Plus playing with Gordon would help convince Paul to stay. The hope of the Minny pick being a top player isn’t enough of a tangible assest for Paul to remain a Clipper.
What does everyone else think?
That would be a hell of a risk
I’m not sure it would be worth risking the mini pick in that case, however maybe an alternate route. Maybe if we don’t have the certainty that Chris Paul will stay then we offer to swap first round picks with NO, that way we most likely still get a lottery pick in this years draft.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
It's definitely a risk, but is it that huge?
The Clippers would be able to offer Paul the full 5 yr. $100M contract. No other team could give him that much money or the 5th year. The team the Clippers have plus Paul is a playoff team in my opinion. It would be a very exciting 5 months for the Clippers. What could happen in that time that would convince Paul to decide that he wants to take less money and not play with Griffin and Gordon? (Wait, nevermind, don’t answer that)
The Minny pick is that deal breaker. The Hornets probably get a better deal elsewhere without it. But maybe they don’t throw in both Aminu and Bledsoe. Let the Hornets pick who the like better.
I would not trade the Minny pick for 6 mos. given the depth of this upcoming draft
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
It could be 6 months...
or it could be 5 and 1/2 years. With the Clippers as serious championship contenders every year. There’s a certain amount of risk that goes with the Minny pick too. You’ve been telling us to hold on our evaulation of Olshey and wait to see what he has planned. This is an opportunity to make the huge move we’re all waiting for. Maybe its time to swing for the fences instead of waiting for the next pitch.
But...
I assume you would trade Aminu and Bledsoe for the rental. I think you could probably structure a way to also trade a Clippers first rounder (i.e. not the Minny pick). You’d probably have to do something crazy like say it was ONLY 1 thru 10 in 2012 (i.e. BOS gets the pick if it’s 11 to 30, NOH gets it if it’s 1 to 10), and then belongs to NOH starting in 2013 (and you could put more protections on at that point if you like). (You’d have to do this to avoid Stepien rule complications.)
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
My point is...
There’s a value to the rental as well… and the Clippers offer on a rental could easily exceed the Knicks offer. But it also depends on how adamant Paul is. If it’s clear he’s going to sulk until he leaves town, the value goes down more.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
yep, and if not the clips someone else, especially title contenders
would definitely take paul as a rental. Teams like the Mavs/Lakers/Portland all could use an upgrade at the point, and if Paul does take off at the end of the season, then at worst they get the cap relief, or maybe can do a sign and trade to the Knicks for Shumpert, fields and a trade exemption.
I would probably give up some combination of bled/aminu/mo/Kaman for a rental. Maybe after the trade goes down, show CP3 a few pictures of clippers going down with knee injuries, and he’ll want to sign that extension before stepping foot on the court in a clippers uni, haha. If you gave up Mo in a deal for a CP3 rental w/ the clips, once CP3 leaves for the Knicks at the end of the year, you might clear enough cap space at the end of the season to bring in Dwight and Deron as FAs (if they end up not signing extensions either)
Maybe you can say that you'll give the Minny pick if he signs the extension
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by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Won't the Clipper then forfeit the right to offer Griffin max years?
by Michael White on Dec 2, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
You mean for the Designated Player thing?
I think that’s only for players coming off their rookie deals. If you mean can the Clippers afford two 20 million dollar deals in their payroll, that’s another issue. Can they? Sure. Can they afford another 15 for Eric Gordon and another ten for someone else? Ask the Miami Heat. And then ask them again in two years when the new luxury tax kicks in.
No
The Designated Player thing applies only to players coming off their rookie deal, as Raffo points out. It’s been a struggle, but I think he’s finally got the gist of it :)
The reality of a large payroll on a DTS team is a different question, but there are no rules precluding signing an extended Paul, and keeping everyone else.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 2, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
It's a good question
Basically, there are two types of Chris Paul trades available to the Clippers – one with an extension (which acquires CP3 thru 2014) and one without (which would be for this short season only). Without the extension, you could hope that Paul was willing to re-sign, a la NJ and Deron Williams.
Like anything else, you then decide what it’s worth to you. You would give up more to get Paul with the extension. Less to get him without.
Remember also that without the extension, even if he walks, the Clippers then are left with a boatload of cap space next summer. Now, if Williams and Howard are already locked up somewhere before then, I’m not sure who you spend it on. But you’d have it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
I wouldn't do that
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
No pick. I'm ok with Kaman, Aminu and Bled.
No pick though.
That pick is GOLD. Don’t undervalue it, it’s likely to become a superstar.
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Being Gordon is only 22 w/ no major surgeries
while Paul being 26 and what not, the only way I’d trade Gordon for CP3 is CP3 FOR Gordon + (no one else).
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
Tough call. . .
I gotta think if CP came here he’d very quickly forget about the Knicks. 2 young, big athletic guys to throw lobs to, and drive and kicks to Eric Gordon, another strong guard to draw defenses and help shoulder the scoring burden. But who knows, he could really be hell bent on NYC and sign there next summer anyway.
What im happy about in all this is that Olshey has set the team up so well that we don’t come across as desperate for CP or Howard. All he has to say is he’s excited about our core, with a former ‘all star’ at the point in Mo, a vet SF to be signed, and adding to it next summer with a high draft pick. It will be interesting though, as Steve pointed out, to see how Minny comes out of the gate- will they start 0-8 or 8-0?? That could be the key to all this.
Manhattan, the Knicks...
I was born in NY and lived in Manhattan for fifteen years. I would never, ever go back. But people find it fascinating, especially people who didn’t grow up there. My wife always talks about how great it would be to live there. I shrug at this to me the place is crowded, dirty, hard to get in and out of and the weather blows. But people fantasize about it… and frankly other than Paris or maybe London there’s no other place with that kind of romantic pull.
Sure Los Angeles has its charms but it’s vastly different than those other cities, all spread out, more a collection of suburbs rather than a centralized urban core. I think if you want to live in Manhattan, nothing else is gonna scratch that itch.
Knicks
Are the only major market team to not have won a title in recent decades. That has to be part of the allure as well, bringing the ‘chip’ back to NYC would be huge. I however, don’t see that happening with a team of CP, Stat and Melo, and the media scrutiny would be intense.
I would argue that winning just ONE title for the downtrodden Clippers franchise would be stuff of legend, probably lead to folks claiming it as a sign of the apocalypse, and some seeing it as a big shining light of hope for the underdogs of the world.
by cassellmania on Dec 2, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Agree with all that. Lifting up the Clips is superheroic stuff...
Maybe it’s just me, MSG is old and weird, but when the Knicks are good, that building is unbelievable. I think the players get it. Not sure Staples can ever match the vibe. It’s too big and… honestly, I’m the guy who liked the Sports Arena better.
Yeah but is playing second fiddle to the Lakers in LA any better?
Sunday afternoon games, horrible lighting, etc. DTS needs to get it together and start acting like he wants to treat this like a first class organization. Everything has been handed to him now, but he just needs to act the part.
It is ridiculous that he has done nothing to deserve this.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Horrible lighting?
The Clippers have the same lighting as about 28 other NBA teams.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
I realize I didn't fully explain - sorry
I meant compared to the Lakers – how they dim the lights to showcase the floor. To me that is much much better.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone in Nor Cal & Phoenix (2 places I go a lot)
think it’s really douchey the way they do that.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You want a team with terrible lighting?
The Lakers have it. That “Lights Out” thing, where only the court is lit, is beyond gimmicky. Call me old-fashioned but I’m used to being able to SEE the crowd during games.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
LOL - I love that!!
And didn’t they used to do it that way in other arenas? Focuses all eyes to the court.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Dec 2, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
My eyes are focused on the court anyway.
And besides, I’m glad we don’t use the same lighting as the Lakers. I like doing things differently than them.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
yep, what would we do
if the lighting wasn’t good enough to capture the high-five of the asian guy after Griffin’s dunk on the knicks. That highlight just wouldn’t be complete without seeing that guy’s reaction.
Exactly.
You thought the Mavs finally getting their title was big news? Imagine how huge just one Clippers championship would be. Just one ring, and CP3 or Dwight would go down in history as Los Angeles sports legends, alongside Griffin. Just one ring, and they can bring hope back to all the fans of downtrodden franchises across the league.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
This Ain't No Instant Gratification Thingy
My understanding is that Revenue Sharing for the small market teams will triple under the new CBA compared to the old one.
That will go a long way toward creating a more competitive league over the life of the new CBA especially if it goes 10 seasons.
Triple
That’s the word… I find it strange that the NBA refuses to share any details on rev sharing. It might be convenient to use words like “triple” rather than actual numbers – we know that revenue sharing was paltry before, so tripling it might be insignificant in relevant terms, especially in light of Lakers new TV deal.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Steve's being pleasant...
The “revenue sharing plan” is probably the missing 50 percent of the luxury tax. They’ve increased the tax and given half of it to the teams under the cap and the other half? They’re not saying, but it’s probably going to the small market owners.
It’s a shell game designed by Bernie Madoff.
Will that add up to trebled “revenue sharing”. I don’t know and neither does Adam Silver.
The Lakers and Knicks have extraordinary media deals that will bring in beaucoup bucks the next few years. How far over the new cap are they willing to go?
“Competitive balance” and “revenue sharing” continue to be a joke in the NBA, but this new deal allows a reasonably good small market team under the cap to go one or two deep in the playoffs and still make a profit because the big markets will have to kick down bigtime tax. Small markets can afford one max contract, big markets two or three. But expect to see the Celts, Lakers, Bulls, Mavs, Heat, and maybe the Knicks in the finals the next ten years. Cleveland, Charlotte, OKC, Milwaukee will eke out decent profits and not much more. The Clips? It depends on Don.
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