NBA Rumors: The Status of Chris Paul to the Clippers
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:17 PM PST
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Note: Between the time I started this and when I finished it, I noticed that citizen LJ Hann (whose been doing a great job tonight getting important info posted on this story) had posted an open thread for discussing the trade. I'm stepping all over that post, and suggesting that we move the conversation here.
When the NBA lockout was settled and the league announced that free agency would open on December 9th, a mere 16 days prior to a Christmas opening day, we knew it was going to be crazy. And maybe we should have known it was going to be this crazy. But it's hard to imagine this kind of insanity until you're in the middle of it.
I won't bother with the backstory of the potential trade of Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Clippers. If you need to know it, click on the link, but seriously, if that's the case, what are you doing on my blog?
Here are the bits and pieces I consider to be the most crucial as of Sunday night.
1 - The Clippers are the most likely destination for Paul at this point. From all indications, the Hornets are primarily talking to the Clippers at present, and while the Celtics and the Warriors and others would no doubt still love to make offers for Paul, that's not likely to matter. Why? Because...
2 - When the Lakers dropped out of the Paul-apalooza and the Knicks signed Tyson Chandler, it eliminated CP3's top two choices not only for trades now but also for free agency next summer. And guess who choice number three is? The Clippers are reportedly Paul's preferred destination after the Knicks and Lakers.
3 - Which is significant, because from the beginning a major stumbling block has been whether Paul would commit to more than this season. If the Clippers are only getting a 66 game rental on Chris Paul, then a deal is not going to happen. Given the Lakers/Rockets offer that was rejected by the league, the Clippers would not be willing to even come close to offering something that David Stern would accept.
4 - This one is really important - According to Ric Bucher, Paul is willing to forego the early termination option in his current contract, and commit to the Clippers through the 2012-2013 season.
That's a major milestone in this process, and makes a deal much more likely, perhaps even probable. That means the Clippers would have Paul under contract for two seasons, during which presumably the team would make major strides. Then, in 2013, the Clippers would have all the inherent advantages of the existing team (they'll be able to offer more years, bigger raises). It doesn't hurt that neither the Knicks nor the Lakers would have cap space by 2013 either, barring a major course correction for those franchises. This is really the best that Paul can offer a prospective new team - an extension at this time would cost him a significant amount of money versus a trade followed by free agency. From the Clippers perspective, they'd have two seasons to prove to Paul that he wants to stay there, and really, given all the advantages they'd have at that point (one of them named Blake Griffin), if they can't convince Paul to stay in that time then they probably don't deserve him.
5 - The Hornets are asking for a lot. According to Chris Broussard, they're asking for Chris Kaman, Eric Bledsoe, Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Gordon and two first round draft picks.
Well, they can ask for that, but I can't imagine they're going to get it. Everyone more or less agrees that the deal starts with Kaman (an expiring contract for salary matching purposes, but he also happens to be a very good player who can help the Hornets win some games), Bledsoe and Aminu (two first round picks from 2010).
6 - After that, the Clippers will probably be willing to include one of two very prized possessions - either Gordon OR the unprotected 2012 first round pick they received from Minnesota many years ago. That's according to Marc Stein, and that seems about right.
That's a very, very good offer - given that other teams don't seem to be in the bidding right now, I don't see a reason for the Clippers to go higher.
7 - Let's assume of those options, the Hornets would rather have the pick. (My thinking there is that they are starting over - Gordon is a known quantity and will be very good, but will not be a franchise player. They don't want that - they want to roll the dice and see if they can get their next superstar in the loaded 2012 draft. It's higher risk, but also higher reward, and you go for the high reward when you're starting over.) The next question is, would the league (aka David Stern) sign off on an offer of Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and the MIN pick? My personal feeling is that that offer is not as good as what they had on the table with the Lakers and Rockets, a deal that was rejected. HOWEVER, one ostensible reason that deal was rejected was because it didn't include young assets - it doesn't get much younger than Bledsoe (just turned 22), Aminu (barely 21) and a draft pick. Would it be enough? A cynic might also suggest that the original veto had as much to do with the objections of owners like Dan Gilbert as it had to do with basketball, and that dealing Paul to the Clippers would be more acceptable to those owners, but there are no cynics here.
8 - Then it becomes a game of chicken. The Hornets want the MIN pick AND Gordon, the Clippers say no, take one or the other. Who will blink? The Hornets have more to lose here, unless another team can beat the Clippers' offer; Paul is going to leave them next year, and if they don't trade him by the trade deadline in March, then they'll get nothing for him. On the other hand, if the Clippers just keep Gordon and the MIN pick, they'll be happy; those are great assets for the Clippers too.
9 - Finally, there's the DeAndre Jordan factor. A couple of seasons ago, LA announcer Mike Smith relayed a conversation he had with Paul during warmups before a Clippers-Hornets game. Paul had little idea who Jordan was before the game, and was supposedly struck by his athleticism and size. According to Smith, Paul seemed more than a little envious. Well, according to Stein and Broussard, Jordan has indeed caught Paul's eye - CP3 sees him as a younger Tyson Chandler, which is a pretty apt description. LA will become an even more attractive destination with Jordan on the roster, dunking Paul's lobs the way Chandler used to do in New Orleans. Jordan therefore becomes a more important piece than his 7 points and 7 rebounds last season might indicate. Signing Jordan does three things off the basketball court - it gives Paul a teammate he covets, it sends a message to Blake Griffin given that Griffin and Jordan are close, and most importantly, it helps dispel the perception of the cheap Clippers - which will matter when it comes time for Paul and Griffin to re-sign in 2013.
That's everything I can think of regarding the current status. If the reports on the situation are accurate, it should be reaching a resolution one way or the other very soon.
[Note by Steve Perrin, 12/11/11 11:25 PM PST ] Broderick Turner of the LA Times has the absolute latest about the proposed trade. Some key points according to Turner:
- The sides are in "closing stages of negotiations."
- The Clippers' offer include the MIN pick, not Gordon. The rest is the same.
- One puzzling note is that it says the Clippers "hope [Paul] will pick up his option for next season." I'd prefer more than a hope on this one.
Turner suggests that the deal is essentially done and could be submitted to for the league's approval on Monday. Stay tuned Citizens.
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There are good links there. I tried to direct folks over, but they’ll figure it out. You can help direct them as well, but I think they’re starting to arrive.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
If the CP3 trade goes down
I say: not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5…,,
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Championships? Orgasms? What?
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
little bit of both
i might go riot tonight if the trade goes down, but then again, I don’t wanna be like a Lakers fan.
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
european checking for the day shift (or the night shift for you folks)
so this Pail guy is he any good? =)
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM PST reply actions
LOL
He’s OK. He’s no Tony Parker. (BTW, why isn’t Parker Belgian? Born in Brugges, right? I love Brugges. Beautiful city?)
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I believe his father was playing in Belgium at that moment
the children of long-resident immigrants can acquire Belgian citizenship, but I’m guessing most American basket players don’t really stick around that long.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
seriously
the most significant quote was Paul saying he’d opt in if the Clips keep their core. This gives the Clips a bit more leverage. Plus the most dangerous concurrent has locked themselves in by offering DJ an offer sheet
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
It would appear we will be a Super Team
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
From Sam Amick's twitter
At least one Clippers player is telling people he’s headed to New Orleans, according to source who has spoken with him.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
No kidding
I would become a Laker fan if this happened.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
At least AFA and Bledsoe will get to play a little bit closer to home
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 11, 2011 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
this is how its going down
Clips give the pick to New Orleans,,,,, Stern sees to it they win the lottery next season
yep
and the NO pick will be in the top 5 too. Cavs round 2.
Gonna have to start rooting for the Wolves if we trade the pick haha...
Just so I feel better.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And silver lining is that there is no consensus #1.
Barnes is so risky, I think.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Lmao!!
That would be hilarious especially is Minny is so so this year
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
we get Paul and have Gordon....
who cares…let them win the lottery twice for all I care. We got a squad.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Wait until Monday?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111212,0,2925892.story
From the above LA Times article:
“The NBA will probably review the Clippers deal Monday.”
I guess we will have be patient to see if all owners approve.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 PM PST reply actions
Why wouldn't they?
They’re getting the young players/assets the owners wanted them to get, right?
by yaggiefresh on Dec 11, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
It makes sense
The trade seems to satisfy both parties goals, but anything is possible given the Laker’s 3-team trade fiasco. Mostly, the Monday thing is posted there to show when things will be official.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 11, 2011 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
I also think
they need an end to all this. Just approve the trade and get it over with and let’s win a championship.
Yeah
I can’t imagine the response Stern vetoing a 2nd CP3 trade would be (especially due to the proximity of preseason games).
There will also be a strong reaction if the trade does go through. Still, I think all the young players included satisfy the requirements Stern set. Plus, in this deal the Hornets don’t really take as much salary compared with the other deal. Lots of flexibility, plus the pick. Good for potential buyers of the Hornets.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 11, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Controversy
I don’t know which would be more controversial, a veto or no veto. The twitterverse seems to think this is a good offer, better than the Lakers/Rockets one, so that’s a good sign. I still think the other offer was better BUT it was also very different – if the goal is to get a lot younger, suck now and hope to be better later, then this is the deal. If the goal is to stay decent for the time being, then the other deal was much better.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
I have read in Houston Rockets blogs recently that being mediocre is the bane of smaller market teams. With the Lakers package, the Hornets didn’t appear to be a team that could get further than the first round, and they would have many 3 year deals for veteran players.
Like you said, a good approach for the Hornets is to keep collecting assets while shedding long contracts like the Thunder (and maybe the Clippers have done).
If this trade does go down, the (3) Lakers-Clippers games will be very interesting.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
I completely agree with point #7 in the post. This is probably a worse deal overall talent-wise, but it’s everything about youth. And as you said, Gordon is great, but he’s not a superduperstar. Plus he’s about to be paid a lot, so unless he’s the cornerstone of the franchise, he’s not something you build around.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yep,
This deal is only about emptying cap space and the 1st pick.
The 2010 first picks are just mid-tier prospects that are a shot in the wind to work.
The last thing the league wants now
…is to be any part of any kind of blocking….So Im sure the put out the word that it had to be a trade that was better for New Orleans and so they mentioned a description of picks and younger players.
….all they are really saying (as a friend of the family once said when negotiating trades amongst ourselves in our own video game league) “…and make it make sense!”
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Eric Pincus
if you’re asking – why no Gordon – ask – who are the Clippers bidding against? No one.
34 seconds ago
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Pincus just got a point in my book :)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Immmmmmmmmmm
……dreaminnnnngg of Pauuuullllllllllll Christmaasssssssss
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
To all those Laker fans who said Lakers+Paul=Championship
I wonder what they can say about THIS team??
CP3/ CP3
Gordon / Bryant
Butler/ World Peace
Griffin / ??? Nobody? haha
Jordan/ Bynum
and Clippers have Williams as a sixth man while the Lakers’ best bench player is Matt Barnes?
Okay, PG is the same. SG? I know I will get killed because of this, but I think Gordon matches up AT THIS MOMENT with Kobe. With injuries and age, Kobe has experience and size and that’s about it on Gordon. SF? Butler is easily the better offensive one, but Peace steals the defensive side. So about equal, but Peace is probably better. Griffin blows out whoever the Lakers could throw in their 4 spot. Now for the center? Bynum is obviously more skilled, but DeAndre matches CP3’s game much better. Bynum is also injury prone, so as shocking as this is, I think DeAndre is better than Bynum solely because he plays more according to Paul’s style. And the bench? No competition. Williams can help protect a lead, Lakers can’t. Also, Clippers don’t need to use their bench as much as the Lakers do..
The owners will ok the deal
we helped Cleveland get back on their feet with Kyrie, now we are helping New Orleans get back on their feet with the 1st pick in the draft.
The Clippers
“Sending lottery picks to teams that lost their franchise player since 2011.”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 16 recs
Please do it Steve...lol
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Imagine if it comes up no. 1
And we could have had 3 number one picks in four years. There’s no way that’s even come close to happening. If this trade happens, I like us better than if we kept those 2 picks.
That's pretty amazing...
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 11, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
"If this trade happens, I like us better than if we kept those 2 picks."
That’s the best part about it, right? As deep of a draft as 2012 will be, there’s no player in this draft + Kyrie Irving that would make me want to change history.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I lol'd
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
Gordon and DJ will be a better fit for Paul then Bynum and Kobe
I mean Kobe is used to play with Fisher along side him…
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:46 PM PST reply actions
Exactly my thoughts
Gordon doesn’t need the ball in his hands for a long time, and Jordan likes to run and do Ally-Oops, something Bynum would never do!
once the Knicks essentially dropped out of the CP3
FA hunt next summer, I was willing to include the Minny pick even without an extension. Bringing in Chandler to the Knicks makes it a VERY attractive place for Paul to play, so it’s still kinda scary, but unless CP3 plays for like the minimum there, I don’t see how that happens. Unless they just dump Amare, but even in that case, Clips should be able to bring in some talent.
Thank you Mike Dunleavy! Sam Cassel,,, FELTON! Thank you Chris Kaman for 10 awesome seasons!
but thank you very much to DTS!
how was that trade perceived at the time?
I mean Cassell was a player of some renown?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
I knew we were going to be a playoff team when that trade happened.
Cassell was a closer and a basically a trusted vet once he came into the league. I can’t speak for everyone, but I thought it was a huge steal when it went down.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 11, 2011 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
so a double win?
Khan went back in time?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
I remember
I loved Sam and Mobley, i was so pumped that they were joining our team. I remember betting a bunch of Laker friends of mine that the Clippers would have a better record than the Lakers that year, and they laughed out loud, telling me that Phil Jax with Kobe and scrubs would be better than any Clipper team. It was a great feeling to eventually collect all their money. Very proud to be a Clipper fan.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
ahhh
so much hope for that team and the years to follow….too bad it didnt quite pan out, but that was for sure a great year to be a Clipper fan
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Jaric
We knew Jaric wasn’t any good. Not sure why the Wolves wanted him. Jaric looked good in theory – good size, good handle, vision, decent shooter. But he didn’t make good things happen on the court. For instance, he could get to the rim well, but was a terrible finisher. So yeah, we knew the trade was a steal at the time, because the Clippers didn’t give up anything they wanted.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was more about Minny was tired of Sam
And they were paying a price to be rid of his mouthy ways. Of course, I liked that about Sam, but think Minny was tired of it. He complained about his contract back then.
So I guess the Marko Jaric for Cassell trade can officially be declared the most one sided trade ever
Clippers got: Cassell who leads them to the playoffs, and their draft pick many years later which turns out to be extremely valuable and now from that likely Chris Paul
Mini got: Jaric who was limited by injuries and effectiveness and is most notable for his wife and putting his jersey on backwards.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Shout out to Lionel Chalmers!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
New Orleans is going to be a stacked team next season
Bledsoe, Farouq, Minny pick and their pick,,,, thats an attractive franchise to purchase if you have the cash!
as long as we make it deep into the playoffs
and I don’t see why we wouldn’t, there’s no way CP3 leave!
Just bout tickets for games vs. Nets and Lakers
I’m gonna be really upset if this doesn’t happen
ey you should at least see 2 superstars
potentially 4…
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Dan Gilbert writes another letter
something along the lines of:
“uhm, well yea, they’re the clippers.
Thanks for Kyrie Irving.
I’m good"
by osamu on Dec 11, 2011 11:51 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Dare I say
The best clipper season ever?
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 11, 2011 11:51 PM PST reply actions
we are relevant
that’s the least you can say
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
if Travis Leslie turns into the stopper he was made out to be
and we sign a back up C
DJ still has to stay out of foul trouble
I'm guessing
well be able to pick something up. Vets will see us a prime destination after this
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
yea need some defense
who is out there that we could sign?
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Gilbert arenas
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Leon Powe?
Won a title with Celtics, bruiser PF. I think he’s FA still. . .
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
too small
they need more size
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
yep, either way
Kaman is on the table, and going to need a C. Might just have the minimum to spend, or that 2.5 mil. Who’s left, Kwame? Jeff Foster? Fesenko? Pryzbilla? Brian Cardinal? Scal? Not a bad crop of guys for the backup position.
Pryz
Pryz would be a great pickup. He’s so underrated. I wonder what he’s expected to make? Of course, who knows how his health is.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
It's time to dust off MBFGC!
re-activate
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
also....
Ive for some time have liked Etan Thomas as a back up. Is he still a viable backup?
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
didn't he retire
and wrote some poems and became like 99%?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
the thought occurred to me
but not really an option
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
think aaron Gray
agreed w/ toronto or something? I know I liked him too. Not sure how hot paul was on him tho.
yes...
: )
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
seems like it
if this trade goes through, the clips enter contender territory
disappointment if we don't reach conf finals
ha!
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
by cliptakular on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
who invited Buzz Killington? LOL
jk
by big0lbad on Dec 11, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
DJ Foster is being negative on twitter
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
we're not there yet
but I’m guessing NO will have some preliminary contact with Stern to see if it is acceptable. Killing a deal a second time could turn very ugly very quickly.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Eric Gordon
“I still don’t buy that the league will approve a trade without Gordon, for what it’s worth. Far from a done deal.”
I guess he is being cautious about it. If you look at his other tweets, you could possibly upgrade that to cautiously optimistic.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 11, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
think about it
2 first round picks in the biggest draft since 03
our pick and their own
that is huge
Im not tryin to be haha
I would just hate for this not to go through, I’m as excited as anyone, i’ve just been let down by this franchise a few times, just waiting for official word before I get too excited haha
so excited
i can’t sleep. who needs lebron? we’re (hopefully) gettin cp3!!!
we’ll have both the best pg and pf in the league! (anyone disagree?)
lets not get too ahead of ourselves...
we may get vetoed as well
I think the only way this doesn't go through
Is if Sterling has something to say about it! If this article is TRUE that there is no Gordon, then that is extremely good for the Clippers and not a huge controversy. But Stern would be getting what he wanted. Young players and a draft pick!
At least one Clippers player is telling people he’s headed to New Orleans, according to source who has spoken with him.
Better not be Gordon.
I think one of the younger players
Kaman always seems to keep his cool about trade rumours
by BelgianClipper on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
I have my money on Bledsoe
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Sam Amick from SI
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Here u go lol
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Dan Gilbert
If Dan Gilbert objects and tries to block this trade, it won’t be pretty…
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 11, 2011 11:57 PM PST reply actions
Dudes crazy, I wouldn't say safe
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
CP3 to Clippers
Is tending on twitter
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Meant trending...damn auto correct
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
This so funny.
ShermPDiddy Sherm Diddy
Watch all these LA people become Clipper fans now
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:01 AM PST reply actions
block on new members to prevent bandwagoners!!
we have nearly 3,000 members… that can easily sustain us
now now
Let’s not get crazy LJ. New readers = good.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Still, we should have a secret code that only we know.
“CAW CAW CAW”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL +1!!!
and if you were here during the lockout
CAW CAW CAW BAW JAW
i vote for
‘MBFGC’
it could be random….you just throw it out there and those in the know would respond with a certain key phrase like “Eats _(something)”
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
what was that thing people kept saying
on every big play, during the game threads?
Kung Fu something something?
so many
EJ, MBFGC, Blanket, FElton…
Just today I’ve seen commenters what EJ means and what FElton means. I forget how much the site has already grown in recent years.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
there's a glossary
but it’s not easy to find it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
believe it or not
I have already read that, I just forgot
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
let's the bandwagoners come to us
we’ll hook em!
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
we are suddenly all going to become sudo hipsters
as we liked the clippers way before it was cool
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Technically, we’d have to start hating the Clippers for becoming popular in the mainstream to be hipsters.
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
love-hate relationship
sums up Clips fans nicely, no?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Two more:
Telejah Telejah Dean
Can you imagine? Kobe, Dwight, & CP3 all in the same city. I can finally have a reason to go to Clipper games now.
mikewelllls mike
For real this time , someone get me a Chris Paul Clipper jersey .
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 AM PST reply actions
now...
how am i supposed to afford decent seats at clippers games?
Tix
The Staples will be packed ad possibly tix will go up.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
"So he's getting a tatoo, yeah he's getting ink done. He wanted a 13, but they drew a 31!"
Lakers theme song up there.
man….this board es un fuego!
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
So according to the LA Times, Eric Gordon is not part of the trade.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 AM PST reply actions
The league will review the trade tomorrow.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
This is a nice tweet:
T
heWagofMutombo Tim Severson
@
@YucciMane @travismartini I’m not a Clipper fan, really, but as a basketball fan, this is a lineup I really really wanna watch…so much fun
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:07 AM PST reply actions
put it this way
Cleveland didnt get anything for Lebron
New Orleans will be getting a lot of young talent and potential first pick in the draft
This is huge for the city of New Orleans and the LAClippers
ESPN Chris Palmer
ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
Clippers potential starting five: Paul, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, Jordan.
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Here's another one from him
If the Clippers get CP3 and keep Eric Gordon the NBA Executive of the Year race is over before it starts.
24 minutes ago
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
And who the NBA Executive of the Year would be? I wonder… LOL
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously...
David Kahn.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Hmm interesting
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Cp3
awesome! The Clips will be a factor! I am assuming the deal includes Paul opting in for 2012 and 2013.
that's the assumption
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
This is bound to happen
@HPbasketball
I just imagine Gordon standing on the wing, confused. “What’s happening? Why is no one guarding me? HOLY **** I’M OPEN!”
9 minutes ago
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
by Jayq on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
2 points down, last play of the game
who do you guard? Paul? Butler? Gordon? Blake?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
And then Paul sends the oop to DJ for the win.
60% of the time, DJ scores every time.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by Erik O on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice reference.
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
why not
guy can shoot. If left alone he can hit those shots.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
most important question, how is
clipper darrell going to get tickets? oh noes.
well I guess he can apply for a job as Clipper spirit
then he can dance and shake it all night and get paid for it
shooting the t-shirt gun with no shirt on would be priceless..
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Shit, I just can't believe we gonna get CP3
I’m already flooding all the french bball blogs hahaha
by paris clips man on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 AM PST reply actions
There is simply no way in hell that the Hornets don't demand Eric Gordon...
If they do the proposed trade everyone is dreaming of (kaman, pick, bledsoe, aminu) then they are basically trading Chris Paul for:
- Bledsoe
- Aminu
- T-wolves pick
I’ve put it through my head many times and there is just no way that they would rather have a draft pick instead of a 24ppg top 5 shooting guard =/
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 AM PST reply actions
who is this guy....and how did he get in?
lol….smh
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
He is a NYK fan..explains
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Nice stalking of my profile but no =P
I’m a sexy bachelor that has alot of relationships in every city =)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
its about rebuilding with guys on rookie contracts
EJ isnt a franchise corner stone but the Minny pick and New Orleans pick may land them 2.
Lol
So a bachelor like yourself can be swayed to a sexy team as the Clips?
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Oh yes =)
Love the clips all the way since they got Cuttino Mobley.
Always keep up to date on everything in the league.
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Remember TONS of stuff about the clippers
- Elton Brand being a d**k and leaving for the 76ers
- Shaun Livingston gruesome accident (I was watching live and almost threw up)
- Sam Cassell’s heroics
- Blake Griffins ‘rookie’ season with one of the top 5 dunks I’ve ever seen on Galinari (I actually think that was more impressive than the Mozgov one)
- Daniel Ewing leaving Raja Bell open for the 3 to force overtime
- Corey Magette’s unconscious ability to draw fouls
I bring alot to the table and I’m not a h8er by any means. Love the clippers and live in OC anyways so they are the best thing going =)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Those are terrible memories
Lol…welcome!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Just turrible Kenny
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
"'rookie' season"
Of course you’re a Knicks fan. We love Landry Fields too, but getting to watch NBA games for a year isn’t what separated Blake from the rest of the pack. It was the best rookie season since Tim Duncan that did it, and he didn’t learn that from the sidelines.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I didn't mean it that it wasn't a rookie season... just that alot of people give me a hard time if I don't put the " " around it =/
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Welcome to the emotional roller coaster known as Clippers basketball
Wish the season would hurry up and start!!
by Natedog1977 on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
gordon is part of our core
paul said he wants to come here if we keep our core. Trading him would defeat a lot of the purpose of bringing him in.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
It's about the mystery box, man
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It's not necessarily what they want
it’s what they can get, NOH has almost no leverage at this point
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
did you not hear,,,
our pick is going to be the first pick in the draft,,,, Kyrie Irving ring a bell?
"did you not hear"
you’re yelling at a deaf man
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Stranger things have happened
Best believe it!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Plus its not like Eric Gordon is old... he's a young, already proven, asset (unlike Min draft pick)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Already proven that he's not a superduperstar
And he’s about to be paid a crapload of money.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You have to understand how valuable of a pick this is
1. The Hornets have NO LEVERAGE in this deal. So Clippers can easily walk away, and there goes your BEST and basically only offer.
2. They need to get rid of paul ASAP and like I said, this is one of the only offers left.
3. This is a top 10- top 5 pick in a STACKED draft. Probably one of the best in a while.
As Steve points out
EJ is a great player, but a franchise player? I dont think so. I see EJ’s ceiling as the #2 or #3 option on a champion, but def not #1. With the MIN pick (as well as their own pick), the Hornets could possibly get a franchise guy. Its worth the gamble and it will cost less in the short term which makes it more appealing for a potential buyer of the franchise.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
problem with EJ
is he’s due for an extension like NOW. It’s given he’s a great player, but do they want to inherit a guy that’s just coming up on his big payday? He’ll make an impact for sure, but to tell a new owner that you’re going to have to get a 60+ (70? 80?) million dollar contract ready in the next few months is a lot to ask for a franchise desperate to sell to the highest bidder ASAP
prefer?
It’s not just about what they would prefer; it’s what they can get. But yeah, I think there’s a scenario in which you prefer that. Rebuilding is a nasty process. You have to get bad before you can get good. Gordon is due to be paid next year – which is too soon for the Hornets. They may very well prefer the pick, which will definitely be cheaper and has a chance to be better.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Max contracts....
What happens when we have Gordon, Griffin, Paul and Jordan at or near max contracts? Is it inevitable that we lose one of them? CP3 after 2013?
by Natedog1977 on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
dunno
hit lux tax like a son of a * I guess?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
This group
The starting 5, if you pencil in EJ at $12M per and Griffin at the max, will be around $62M in 2013-2014 – maybe more. Both Griffin and Paul would have to be re-signed that year. Luxury tax is $70M now – might go up, but the new CBA is trying to keep it from doing so in the short term (there’s basically an adjustment period as revenues adjust to the new BRI split). So basically, the team would have to pay luxury tax in 2013-2014 to keep this group together – or have 9 minimum players fill out the roster.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
With all that playoff money
One would think D.Sterling will learn that it’s worth it.
No clue when the next TV deal is for the Clippers, but I would be willing to bet that it’ll be MUCH higher; maybe not as high as the Lakers, but definitely should be getting there…
Deal was for 7 years and expires at the end of the 2015-16 season.
We have 5 more years. Fox upped the ante when we drafted Blake, and it looks like they got a steal. The next deal ought to be much better as long as we still have our core players on the roster.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 3:39 AM PST up reply actions
i dont know what im happier about
getting CP3 or dethroning the Fakers as the team in LA
by big0lbad on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Well here's to having our cake and also eating it!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
If this deal goes through
DJ will be absolutely perfect for our team! Man, the lineup that is getting thrown around is just amazing and if the deal ens up as expected and it does not get vetoed, we’ll have Mo from the bench, which could be awesome too
Absolutely
The spark he would be able to bring from the bench could be amazing, and as of right now, we kinda lack depth on the pg spot, so it could turn out really, really well
Mo
The dude apparently has been a true leader so far.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
perfect time to go down....
in the wee hours of the night….when most gm’s are sleeping or too tired to try and cock block properly with a counter trade
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Blog traffic
The traffic on this blog will just spike up beyond belief if CP3 joins the Clippers.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 AM PST reply actions
Is our offer really better than what the Lakers/Rockets were going to give up?
I’m not smart enough to answer this question, hopefully someone else can.
I've got nothing.
lol....
if this trade goes through, would you really care?(as i drink the kool-aid)
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
I think in terms of
prospects and potential, yes, the NBA wants the Hornets to get a decent rebuilding package for CP3, which is what the Clips can offer, you cant really rebuild with 2 30 yr old PFs
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
yes.
The other offer made them a moderately decent team right now (7-10 range). Our trade means they are going to absolutely suck this year, but get 2 lottery picks (their own and Minny’s) and then add that to a couple of young 20-somethings with potential.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I underestimate the draft picks.
Do we know if we are going to be able to protect that pick?
I've got nothing.
Difficult to protect it...
It’s the Wolves pick, not the Clippers pick. It has value because of that. So even if you wanted to, say, top 3 protect it, you’re backstopping it with a Clippers pick – which with Paul now is going to be, what, mid 20s? So no, realistically the Hornets are going to say no to any protection on that pick.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
@fosterdj
Only in Hollywood could a former soaps actor turn around one of the worst franchises in professional sports history.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
I gave him the benefit of the doubt
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Only downsides to this
All of the bandwaggon fans and the raised ticket prices. I knew I should have bougth a partial plan!!
Just bought the big game package today.
Good timing!
if Chris Paul has agreed to play throughout 2012-2013 with us-
that tells me that he must really be believing in clips. otherwise he is not a young player who can afford to waste a year or two here and there. he’s coming out of NOH frustrated and he will not have the patience to commit himself with another team for two years unless he himself likes the team and likes the team’s chances.
not to jump ahead too much but when he gets here, who leads bkace or cp? I always thought the lead roll should come from pg position.
by arman martikian on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 AM PST reply actions
CP is the leader
The point guard is ALWAYS the leader; however, Griffin will still be the face of the club!
Caron must have known something
why else would he choose to play here instead of San Antonio or Chi town
This will be my 4th year as a STH
I braved the first year of 19 wins thinking/hoping that something better would come along. And now here we are – a lineup that every team in the NBA would dream of having. SO happy to be a Clipper fan right now.
No real new
information, but it’s getting more recognition as a real possibility
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
Eric Gordon is trending on Twitter
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 AM PST reply actions
"I knew I should have bougth a partial plan!!"
reads the epitat of all clipper fans before 12/11/2011 11:02 PM
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Mystery traded player revealed
@sam_amick Sam Amick
The aforementioned Clippers mystery man who I’m told is convinced he’s being traded to NO, by the way, is Eric G…I mean, Eric Bledsoe.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick via Twitter
The aforementioned Clippers mystery man who I’m told is convinced he’s being traded to NO, by the way, is Eric G…I mean, Eric Bledsoe.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 AM PST reply actions
I win!
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
that was a super close one
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Yeah
I wish I could delete mine.
I remember Kaman playing around with the rumors of him going to the 76ers on Twitter. I thought it would be him.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
But
But, Kaman has usually been pretty professional with these things when he talks with the media.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
I'll still follow him on twitter
his twitter feed was one of the funniest things during the lockout
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
his twitter feed is one of the funniest things
hope he signs a good deal at the end of the season
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
It's hard studying for finals when I'm just anticipating the big announcement tonight
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
LOL same here!
im putting the laptop down all day tomorrow,,,, not coming back until after finals
cant concentrate right now!
That's why I'm happy my finals ended before Free Agency started
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
it would be understandable if...
you said it was hard to BREATH right now
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
work is going all that good for the moment
good thing it is a quiet day in an otherwise hectic period.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
I kind of feel like a Lakers fan on last Thursday right now.
I’m going to try to not get too excited until I see Chris Paul in a Clippers jersey.
I've got nothing.
by bc56274 on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
slamkeogh Sam Marshall Keogh
CP3 deal with no Eric Gordon? Someone behead Dell Demps!
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 AM PST reply actions
Remember everyone
gotta be classy and mature about this. Only golf claps when the news hits
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
by peterghost on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, are you kidding me?
i’m burning something, anything. roll of tp, maybe…
Just make sure to wipe your a** with it first before lighting, put it in a brown paper bag....
… then put it on a Lakers fan front doorstep when you ring the bell and run! =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
red, white and blue mohawk
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
yea me and gomes gonna rock it
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
We aren't from the OTHER side of LA
So yea, we’ll keep it classy.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Clippers 100%...as long as they are healthy
by ChrisS.Oaks on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
Clippers!!!!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Adjustment Period
I don’t want to get too ahead of myself, but if the trade does go down there might be a large adjustment period (remember the Heat at the start of last season?)
With about 2 weeks till the season starts, 2 preseason games, and only 66 regular season games, the team might take time to adjust.
This situation is a little different since the ball will be in CP3’s hands though. The Clippers also will have the youth while the Lakers are still a bit old. That said, the Lakers do have a new coach and new system. We’ll find out if the Lakers’ age and experience minimizes the adjustment window though.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
adjustment with the heat was because of the similar skill set of LeBron and Wade
and the fact the way the team was going to work was quite atypical (no decent PG, no decent Center, Bosh being not a great fit). Paul, Gordon and Blake can co-exist much more easily.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
True
Good point. The similar skill set issue, and questions about who would have the ball in the closing minutes were disruptive.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
If we got CP3
I wouldn’t mind if they got Dwight. Just because it’d be some EPIC battles. And also because I already have my tickets to the Clips-Lakers home games this year ;)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
so if the trade doesnt happen and no one else is bidding, CP3 will walk in the offseason
where will he sign?
NYK and LAL are his top two…but neither can sign him…
then wouldn’t his number 3 choice (LAC) be the top suitor to sign him as a free agent?
meaning…we can skip this season with CP3…keep all of our assets…let Kaman expire (or trade him for a draft pick or something)..then sign CP3 to team up with Blake, Gordon, Jordan AND the Minny pick
is that even possible?
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
as much as I would love for that to happen
I doubt Hornets are just going to let Paul walk for nothing
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
but if we pull out and no one else bids
then what?
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
We better not pull out. We better finish this!
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Conspiracy Theorist in me says...
that Stern wants Paul to be a Clipper. He has a young stud in Blake Griffin that the league is trying to promote and make ino the new face of the league. The Lakers are always going to be a premier team, but why not finally tap into that 2nd team that resides in the same market? When he vetoed the Laker deal, he essentially said the trade needs to be more “Los Angeles Clippery” Norm MacDonald Voice.
Proud member of Club FTR
Also, didn't we postpone our media day until Tuesday?
That allows us to make a trade and match DJ. They should then both be on hand and we’d get our first look at the the 2012 NBA Champions in uniform together.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
ASAP I presume
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
So Gordon, Paul, and Griffin get the max right?
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry yeah thats what I meant, basically the most he could get...
Gordon – 25%
Paul – 30%
Griffin – 25% (since I assume Pauls extension would be first and you can only have 1 max per team in new CBA)?
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
Griffin and Gordon can only get 25% since they’re under the 6 years of service time. Paul is at 30%.
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Griffin
With the new CBA, Griffin could get 30% if he starts in the next to All Star Games or makes All NBA for the next two seasons – either of which is entirely possible.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
That is definitely the weirdest rule ever
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
allows teams to offer a bit more
for really big talents
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
I think Griffin will gladly
take the 25% considering the guy seems to be all about winning
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
well if he starts the next two all star games
or makes all NBA the next two years, I’ll give him 30%.
hopefully DTS doesn’t mind being over the cap… like way over
I'm guessing you can only have one 30% guy
and that would be Paul, as he comes up first
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
nope
you can have two.
the question might be if clipper players become willing to take a little less to keep the core together. Wade/Bosh/James all took less.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
no, all three
All three took less than the max they were eligible for. Wade took more less (does that even make sense? less still?) which I’ve never quite understood.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
they were in a situation where Miami had gutted the roster
They needed to take less, not to pay less Lux Tax, but to be able to sign half-decent team members.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Marko Jaric delayed MVP
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
If Neil gets this done
Does this offset his previous missteps and make him the best GM we’ve had in a decade?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
no....
only if he can sign Clipper Darryl to a contract as shirtless t-shirt shooter
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
hey, the trade to Gilbert and the Cavs was a bribe to get him to sign off on this deal
they all knew it was going down this way.
Probably NBA Executive of the Year?
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
His only misstep so far has been the signing of Gomes which isn't entirely his fault.
Who knew that Gomes was gonna have his worse year.
Baron trade is still up in the air as far as whether it was good/bad. Might have been hard to unload Baron right now if we still had him.
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
well as Jax would say
he signed Gomes on purpose because he knew he was going to be backing up Caron
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Yah but didn't waste money last year
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not everyone thought he had serious missteps
Don’t assume
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Yeah lol
He brought the superstar, thats what matters
If this ends up going through as is, all I want to say to each and every one of you is MERRY FUCKIN CHRISTMAS!
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 12:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Where’s Jose Feliciano when you need him?
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
waive goodbye to the Fakers
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Seems cookie is the odd man out if they do
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
also just saw
the story scroll across the bottom of Sportscenter
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
well....
now those slumbering GM’s are now up, putting on their Cock Blocker Suits
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Doubt it. Why? It’s not the Lakers getting him. No one HATES the Clippers. And if you do, I think there’s a special circle of hell reserved for you.
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry its the ESPN analyst
suiting up….Jon Barry is first one suited
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
"No one HATES the Clippers. And if you do, I think there’s a special circle of hell reserved for you."
awesome
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I want people to hate us
it means we are good or annoying.
I definitely do love how other teams hate Blake
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Gilbert simply needs to man up and move on from the LeBron fiasco...
He’s like a guy who got dumped and now treats every girl like c*** because he got hurt =/
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Can we somehow protect this pick? Like make it lottery protected?
I’m guessing it’s unlikely, but is it possible?
I've got nothing.
we're getting chris freaking paul
no need in being selfish lol
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lol seriously
lets not get entitled like those laker fans
As I said above
Not really. Since it’s MIN’s pick, the value is high now, which is why the Hornets want it. If you protect, even top 3 top 1, then you’re only backstopping it with a Clippers pick – which with CP3 on the roster will presumably be, what, mid 20s? So I see no way the Hornets would accept any sort of protection conditions. You can’t protect the pick of a terrible team and offer a later pick of a really good team. I mean you can, but who would accept that?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
LoL
As soon as you see CP3’s first alley-oop to Griffin you won’t care anymore… trust me =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
I know, man, even if we can't protect it, I would obviously do the trade.
But, you know, I always want more. :-)
I've got nothing.
As do the rest of us haha
But we’re already getting our cake and eating it, can’t be throwing some cake on the Hornets now too.
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
That pick will look insignificant if we land CP3.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
D.J. Foster's Twitter
I’m jinxing this by working on a CP3 is a Clipper! post right now. I can pencil in a public stoning for Tuesday if that works for you all.
OMMGGGGGGG
Clipper Nation,
ive been a clippers fan forever. I remember the days of sam cassel, brand, livingston, odom, miles, and everyone else who has come and gone. Ive loyally stuck through every 10 game losing streak, freak injury, first round draft bust, player losses, and 3rd quarter let down. I have religiously followed every blog posted on this site for years, and have hoped every offseason for a championship. Right now, all i want, ALL i want, is for this deal to go through. Paul, gordon, butler, blake and dj. Somebody please name a better lineup. I personally cant wait to call out every fake fan at the clippers championship parade this year. #CLIPPERNATION FOR LIFE, GET THIS DEAL DONEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
by letgordondunk on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
I was a Clipper fan the days of Danny Manning, Ron HOllywood Harper, Charles Smith, Kenny Snake Norman, General Gary Grant
this aint your fathers Clippers!
I'm hearing ya...... I loved Bo Kimble when we got him
Ahhh the early 90’s, when being terrible was our standard. How times have changed.
We deserve it man.
After all the heartache over there years with this team and organization, it’s time enjoy some success.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
Not too mention
DTS scandals!!! Let’s get this.
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
lol...was just typing up
….spending 1 bit on a 2 bit hooker is splurging for DTS
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
You bet DTS will make tons of money from jersey and ticket sales, not including possible TV revenues.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
matching DJ
and taking on Paul does qualify as spending spree, no?
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
Luxury tax requires superstars on non-rookiedeals
if we get Paul we will nearing lux tax in a few years…
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
Becoming a fan during the bum davis era
I am super excited for a new era for all of clipper nation
can someone pop some popcorn
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
lol
Did you just have this ready? haha
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Anytime something big is about to happen the good ole "michael jackson popcorn gif" always says it all =)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
Steve
Can you make a graph like the approval rating one (on the left side) that shows how many hits the site gets? I am curious at how much extra traffic CP3 would bring in. And when I say extra traffic, I mean soulless bandwagoners.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
DTS is going to make so much cash now that he has his studs
Hollywood Neil needs to secure a TV network deal and bring in the extra revenue.
Call me a skeptic
but cp3s knee +jason powell sounds like a bad combo lol
stuff Jason Powell
the guy can’t possibly be as bad as we think…
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
I'm worried too
but can’t think that way. Gotta have the head and heart of a champion now.
I can't
Screw it I’ll just get to work late tommorrow
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Dang it! I hadn't thought about that
EBT?
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
I'm ready to waive my Blake Griffin Jersey like a flag tomorrow
driving in my car!!!!
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
lol... how bout
run around my neigborhood yelling “Chris Paul is coming, Chris Paul is coming!!”
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
my bad... me neither
its late… sigh
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
We'll be ok with Chris paul signing on longer...
just as long as Sterling keeps his yap shut. "Chris Paul?…are you the new valet guy?
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Remember someone mentioned that DTS had told CP3 he should come to LA to play or some like that.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
this blog is about to tip over
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Let's get to 1,000 comments on this post!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
DTS says.......
“Oh no not another guy with 2 first names……Gordon Eric, Griffin Blake and now Paul Chris”
That's the secret to success!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
not sure DeAndre would be a first name to DTS
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
Andre 3000
I believe DTS is a fan of Outkast
they are too complex for him
as he is used to sounding out names like candy, bubbles, diamond
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
lexxxus, strawberry, sparkle
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
I wonder how much the Clippers TV deal pays them annually?
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
Don't know
But they will possibly go up
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
I stopped commenting here
many months ago due to my displeasure with a particular Citizen but the CP3 excitement has forced my return. I had already purchased tickets for several games but now I’m seriously considering season tickets. Isn’t that what student loan money is for anyway?
by Highbury Library on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 AM PST reply actions
Thanks
great to be back. My last two finals are tomorrow so I should have plenty of time to hang out here during the next month.
by Highbury Library on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
Go Gunners
How’d you like RVP’s goal Saturday? Amazing.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
I was watching with the LA Gooners
and we went absolutely nuts. Are Max and Zoe still playing soccer?
by Highbury Library on Dec 12, 2011 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
nope
I’m now a former AYSO coach; neither kid played this year, for the first time in like 8 years. Strangely, it’s also the first season I’ve been actively watching EPL games. Started shopping for a new sport during the lockout.
RVP’s goal yesterday was SICK.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
Man City
Man City is really playing very well this season.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
its funny how the book Soccernomics
sort of predicted this future success for them
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Well, plus, they’re finally gelling. Aguero was a great acquisition.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
i see the Arsenal image
….go Juventus…..and Tottenham
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Didn't see highlights from today
but sounds like Chris Foy did your lot no favors.
by Highbury Library on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Brutal
Tottenham got jobbed.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
I feel like we all have to prove that we have been fans for a
long time. May be we can all wear our old RED 2005-06 Clippers’ playoff shirts for proof
I just thought about Clippers on X-mas with this line up....
Imagine GSW against the Clippers.. You know, the Clippers who have 2 guys that GSW tried to obtain? You know the Clippers who completely outclass the GSW? You know, the Clippers who are going to DESTROY their opponent unlike that other LA team?
by SurfinQ00 on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Funny Tweet
This is a funny tweet
Ugly_Anna Annnnna
Yo if CP3 really a clipper I’m pissed cuz I turned down tix to the preseason games.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 AM PST reply actions
only hot girls put "ugly" in their screennames haha
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IM SO HAPPPPYYYYY
So, any chance that Mo gets flipped because of this deal?
Maybe for a SF perhaps?
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 AM PST reply actions
To be honest, I’d like to keep Mo for a year to see how this works out. He’d be a great option off the bench as a sixth man combo guard.
True... kind of like a Jason Terry mix =)
Plus just had a brain fart and forgot about Caron thats all =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
Late/tired etc...
but cant get to sleep because of the news!
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t think so. Eric Bledsoe, the other PG, is part of the deal.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
nah it seems like the clips plan to keep him and bring him off the bench
more likely we amnesty/waive Cook and sign another big man like Przybilla (hope I that is right).
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Etan Thomas as backup center for my vote
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
he wouldn't come here
and has said negative things about DTS in the past. I say Pryzbilla, Kurt Thomas, or Jeff Foster
Kurt Thomas has signed somewhere I believe
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
Thomas signed for 2 years at Portland.
His contract finishes at the age of 57.
Foster resigned at Indiana.
I think Thomas is in Portland.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
I need to get a look at the starting five:
Chris Paul – point guard.
Eric Gordon – shooting guard
Caron Butler – small forward
Blake Griffin – power forward
DeAndre Jordan – center
God damn, that’s pretty sexy.
Who have we got on the bench? Anyone?
I've got nothing.
Bueller.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
I agree 10.75 million / yr is a ton of money... just gotta get a good backup just in case
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 AM PST up reply actions
How bout
Michael Redd with Mo in the second unit? haha 05’ Bucks redux. . .
All we really need is a bruiser backup C
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
I heard Cherokee is still runnin' things at the Y
we should look into that
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Maybe Hilton Armstrong
I think he knows Blake pretty well, he used to train with him in the offseason, if I remember correctly
Ostertag is retiring from MMA
to come out of NBA retirement to play with Blake
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
over/under -3
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
by Lawler's Law on Dec 12, 2011 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
No shoutout to Steve for his line on "The team views Eric as, perhaps, the next Brandon Roy (sadly before retirement and the knee injury)."
You just lost your point that you earned today, Pincus.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That was Raffo's post here
But I think he was riffing on it because it had been getting talked about.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions
Extremely Versatile team if this deal happens
Either than Gordon, Jordan, and Cp3, it seems that most of the Clippers can play more than 1 position. Butler is known to play 2 or 3. Griffin can play a 5 if they want to go small or a 3 if they have another big man. Williams is a solid 1 but he can shoot and play 2. Foye, same thing. Gomes, a solid 3 but also a shooting 4.
That's why the Lakers were so dangerous
Fisher – 1
Brown – 1 or 2
Kobe – 2 or 3
Barnes – 2 or 3
Artest – 3 or 4
Odom – 3 or 4 or 5
Gasol – 4 or 5
Bynum 5
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Not really
Brown was not a great point, nor was he a consistent scorer. Kobe is a good 2 or 3. Barnes is a weak 2. Artest is too short to be a solid 4, and he tends to drift away from the basket. Odom was versatile, but he was anything but consisten. Gasol was a very poor 5. And Fisher and Bynum could only play 1 position. The Lakers were only threatening because of a solid starting lineup -Fisher and Odom coming off the Bench. Now Fisher is even older, Odom is gone, and Gasol doesn’t feel great about playing anymore.
Defensively, my bad
I don’t know how I thought that part in my head.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Don't forget EJ can play the one as well for stretches
and could plausibly guard smaller threes
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I don't think so
EJ is too much of a risk at point. He is a great player, but just not a strong ball handler/ passer. And he already has trouble with guarding some of the bigger 2’s. So I don’t expect him to guard small 3’s.
+1
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Well Marko Jaric would be the reason we would have CP3 (if we give up the Minny pick for him)… Don’t know what contribution Kandiman provided, except a terrible record.
Can't we offer Jaric a ceremonial 1 day contract......
Just so he can retire as a Clipper?
If Clippers win NBA championship this year, then that would make Blake Griffin the next Tim Duncan
Both rookies of the year before a lockout shortened season where they win an NBA champion
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
Wouldn't almost instantly make CP3, BG, and EJ hall of famers as well?
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Yes. They made the impossible possible.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
Can New Orleans add their trainer as well
CP3 and their trainer… for Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, 1 st pick and Jasen Powell
Either that or abduct Pheonix's training health staff ;-)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Throw them in the back of a van and drive them to Playa Vista!!!
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
so does this change cp3's "dirty" status around clipsnation?
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
Long as he doesn't pull a Reggie Evans on Kaman before his Hornets physical he's fine by me! =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
the movie was written about them
….before it happened…because they knew it would
sheesh, im sounding like jax again, aren’t I
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
nope
…it didnt change Sammys shadiness. I would change Barrera’s trashiness….and it certainly wouldnt change CP3’s dirtiness….. we’d just grow accustom to and even learn to love that odor
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
This thread is starting to lagggg...
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Does it mean anything cap-wise if we trade for CP3 before we re-sign DJ's offer sheet?
Or after we re-sign DJ?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I think so
I think DJ’s cap hold doesn’t increase until we match,although at this point I don’t think that is really a big deal as we are sending out enough salary with Kaman and the others to take on CP3’s contract and Pincus doesn’t seem to think the clippers will take on any salary.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
No
DJ’s match has no impact on the Paul trade. DJ’s match does impact cap space; if the Clippers want to sign a decent big, or really any player for more than the min, they should probably do it before matching on DJ. They’ll have some room under the cap then – will only have the new $2.5M exception after.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
ESPN Chris Palmer
‘The Los Angeles Lakers, Staples Center’s other tenant’
Well ask your selves who is acting like the better franchise right now
the Lakers just dumped one of their most versatile players for a trade exception, Kobe is sniping at the FO, and Pau is kind of in no man’s land seeing what is going to happen. While the clippers waited patiently and now look like they are going to get the slot machine to hit all 7’s while also matching the contract of their young developing big man, and adding a veteran presence to help the locker room. Which team is giving off the better vibe going into the season?
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Dodgers fan but that was a kick as* signing for them.
aside from the Lakers… I actually like seeing the other “LA” Teams do well
as a fan of both the angels and clips
possibly the best free agency week ever if the clips land cp3
however im a much bigger clipper fan than i am an angel fan, simply because basketball is my #1 sport
Was so excited when the angels landed Albert + CJ
Now Paul on the Clips?!?
Dream come true
okay I'm going to attempt to go to bed as it doesn't seem like anything is going to happen until morning
hopefully I wake up to new of a completed trade by the clippers!
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
you can go
…but it will be calling you from youre sleep
its ok….this site will crash some time while your sleep…from all this traffic
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
So who do we get as a backup C?
I always figure you need 3 point guards and 3 centers in case of injury… the rest being filled with wings
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 AM PST reply actions
backup center?
This is a terrible idea, but how funny would if be if Shaq came in and got a ring with the clippers?
by yolos on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
i was going to say
he should start getting in shape now, might be ready for the playoff games against the lakers
Is there any possibility that the New Clippers would
Become something like the Heat, where people who want to win just join for nothing? I mean, if Battier just waited an additional 5 days, I’m sure he would consider the Clippers.
How awesome is it going to be next year when Phil Jackson comes and coaches the Clippers?
I've got nothing.
This is gonna be a good test to see Vinny's abilities this year...
Just might have to get the boot if the club doesn’t meet expectations (championship) ;-)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 AM PST up reply actions
yep
definitely going to be a litmus test. Plus VDN was brought in as a guy who could grow young talent. Aspirations would be much higher (ala Chicago Bulls). Might be time to take the next step in that department as well. No one specifically comes to mind as a good fit (Jerry Sloan? Bring back Larry Brown?), but definitely have to keep evaluating the job VDN does.
ok
just heard that Chris Paul is out right now with the family house hunting
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
really?
this story has truly reached critical mass. There will looting and flipping cars eiter way.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 AM PST up reply actions
oh nation my nation
first, im not saying anything until this is complete. after that laker ordeal and the fact that we’re not giving up gordon, we are KILLING his deal imo. they do get their share of young talent, but HOLY CRAP. that starting lineup is incredible.
secondly.. this site will get many of bandwagoners.. but i just want to say now. to all the regulars that have been here through thick and thin and whether or not this deal even happens.. we all know who each other are. and im glad to be on this rollercoaster with you all right now.
secondly.. this site will get many of bandwagoners.. but i just want to say now. to all the regulars that have been here through thick and thin and whether or not this deal even happens.. we all know who each other are. and im glad to be on this rollercoaster with you all right now.sadly im going overseas for the majority of the next 2 years (how cruel fate is), but needless to say, my clipper beanie and blake griffin jersey will be traveling with me wherever i go.
secondly.. this site will get many of bandwagoners.. but i just want to say now. to all the regulars that have been here through thick and thin and whether or not this deal even happens.. we all know who each other are. and im glad to be on this rollercoaster with you all right now.sadly im going overseas for the majority of the next 2 years (how cruel fate is), but needless to say, my clipper beanie and blake griffin jersey will be traveling with me wherever i go.i am beyond giddy right now.
LoL
Thought you put that in 3 times for emphasis on the “bandwagoners” so they knew who they were =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
How many preseason games are there this season?
These guys are going to have to get incorporated pretty fast.
I've got nothing.
all of the preseason games will be local games
Knicks/Nets
Wolves/Bucks
Bulls/Pacers
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
a see a certain purple and gold colors...
soon running
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
Little Salary question
Can you go over the cap to extend your own player, or only when to sign him when he is a free agent?
Sooo.... who's team is it? CP3's?
Just kidding ;-)
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:47 AM PST reply actions
isn't really an issue
They are lot more compatible and Blake is all about winning. tehy’ll make it work!
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 AM PST up reply actions
Siging off
here’s to hopes of a pg with two first names is on his way to LA dawning Red White and Blue
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
you guys stole 2.5 hours from me tonight
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
biggest regret is i decided to wait until getting my 30th tickets
these are going to be p expensive now
Chris Paul is a Clipper?
“And how can this beeeeeee?”
…for he is the" Chris"atz "Paul"erach
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
I thought you were signing off? ;-)
2.6 hours and counting… =P
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions
the mind's racing
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
T-909...out*
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
why cant this be finalized soon
seriously dont think ill be able to sleep
seriously
I can’t leave John Cena’s entrance music queued up all night
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
Monday
According to the LA Times article linked in this post, the NBA will review this trade on Monday (probably during normal business hours).
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
it's monday and business hours
in this part of the world
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 AM PST up reply actions
in 3 more hours or so
so probably by the time most of us wake up in la
assuming any of us go to sleep
It's 5 a.m where i live
Was about to go to bed when this started.
Good point
I was just going to say, I am not sure if the business hours will be on the East Coast (where the league headquarters is) or Pacific time.
I hope you won’t have to stay up too late to hear whether the trade gets accepted.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
9 hours time difference with LA
I suppose it will be OK (or not)
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
whos our closer now/
CP3
EJ
BG
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
Depending on the matchup
Different match ups might make the Clippers wobble between the 3, but I think Paul is the best ball handler out of the 3, so the ball will be in his hands during the closing minutes (if this trade goes through).
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
Another interesting point
If this trade goes through, I look forward to seeing how the Clippers perimeter defense operates. Gordon has had numerous defensive plays in the clutch, and Paul is one of the league leaders in steals. Also, more steals translates into so many more transition baskets.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
"whos our closer now?"
Exactly! The team won’t know who to stick with. Clockwork Orange style.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pincus wrote this a few mins ago
Eric Pincus: the one aspect the Clippers get that they’ve never ever had save in brief brief stretches is a true closer in Paul #if about 25 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gJVDMIxl
all five
people will get open (given Vinny will able to draw up a half-decent play)
where does this trade put the clips in the west?
i would say okc and dal are definitely higher
lake show, memphis, ??
are we a top 3 team in the west if this deal happens?
by SamCassellforCoach on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 AM PST reply actions
im fighting to keep my mouth shut on this one
If I speak I’m bound to spew off all things biased.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
One last thing (shut down the laptop...grabbed the cell)
Everybody send Donald T. Sterling a box of chocolates and an Anjou pear. We need him to pull some stings and book this!
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Alright, sleep time. Finals tomorrow.
I bid you all farewell and prayers for a new pg on the roster.
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
New thread
Since this thread is up to 600+ comments and starting to slow down, I put up a new one for those of you who are staying up (or those in Europe who are already up). I’m going to bed.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Thanks
For the shout-out to the few of us Europeans :)
"The Milkshake" & DJ dunking on people.
by Peter B. Lap on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
steve...no dc tomorrow
cause i am assuming a 2500+ word post by 9am?
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
by Lawler's Law on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you
Thanks for all the updates on the situations and the giving us the answers to so many questions on this thread.
by ClipperTheorist on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
@Chris_Broussard 4:48am
“Clips offering Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, Minny’s unprotected 1st round pick for CP. League/NO wants Bledsoe put in deal. Clips mulling…” WAIT, what??? EJ?
by vaughtfromhisspot on Dec 12, 2011 5:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions
sleeeeep
I can’t sleep. This deal is driving me crazy.
by Tawcoma26 on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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