Trade Rumors: Paul to the Clippers - Dead for Now
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 11:19 AM PST
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PrintWell, all I can say is I'm in new territory on this blog. Never has a story moved this quickly. I don't have time to put anything on the front page, because by the time I finish typing, the story has changed! I'm torn as to whether to post on the front page, or toss up FanShots, or just comment. It's nuts.
But apparently the Paul story has now changed again. The NBA was asking for too much - we may never know exactly what it was, but we know that it was too much - and the Clippers have apparently said no, as indeed they should. So as of now, the trade of Chris Paul to the Clippers is dead.
As I stated in my last post, the Clippers have a fine team as is. They don't have to behave in a desperate manner in this process. The NBA/Hornets are the ones with their backs against the wall. I expect we have not heard the last of "Chris Paul to the Clippers" - but whether the next round starts between now and the start of the season, or closer to the trade deadline, remains to be seen.
But if Stern thinks another team is going to swoop in here and offer more, I think he's just wrong. Paul is worth more to the Clippers than to most other teams because he's at least willing to stay two seasons. He has value to the Celtics, but they're down to Rondo and nothing else in their offer - so that's not happening. Maybe the Warriors would include Curry with some assurances from Paul, but why would he commit to staying on that team any longer than he has too?
The unfortunate thing is that there can be fallout here. Fully four different Clippers who are prominent in the team's plans were discussed in this trade. I don't thing Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe or Eric Gordon would pull a Lamar Odom here - but you never know.
Obviously Gordon is the biggest concern. Kaman is an expiring contract and is a very self-aware dude - he gets that this is a business. He won't be thrilled with how this went down, but he'll do his job. Aminu and Bledsoe are young guys - hard to know how they'll react, but they're not in any position in their careers to be feeling entitled. Gordon on the other hand is eligible for an extension. But although his name was floated, the Clippers appear to have either kept him off the table, or managed to convince enough people that they kept him off the table, so that they can look him in the eye and say "We are so adamant that you're a cornerstone for this team that we wouldn't trade you for Chris Paul; even though they asked us, we walked away and gave up Chris Paul - for you." So really, the Clippers can spin this as a huge vote of confidence in EJ. Whether he buys it or not is another question.
It was fun while it lasted. And like I said, I feel fairly certain this story will be back. Hopefully we can all get a little distance from it for now and get some perspective.
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Stern is a bully...
Now Neil knows how Derke Fisher felt all summer.
When we win the NBA Championship, it will be that much sweeter!
by danobaseball on Dec 12, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Man....I wouldnt give the draft pick alone for a one year Chris Paul rental?
Warriors fan here……that draft pick is pure gold! Wish we had it…sigh…..
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Good for Oshley
I don’t know what’s going to happen, but there’s a line and the NBA apparently crossed it. So walk away.
Stern is going to burn for this.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Just getting caught up
This has been a funny series of reads.
The only conscionable way for the NBA to allow this deal is if Blake Griffin is included. If Griffin is included Paul wouldn’t want to come. Any other offer is inferior to the package they would have received from the Lakers and Rockets.
Doesn’t mean they won’t allow a deal centering on Gordon, but that isn’t good news for the WWE nature of the NBA home office.
But...
What are their options?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Good point - the deal should be viewed
from the perspective of reasonable alternatives for the Hornets and in light of what CP3 will or can do.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Sure
And also in light of that fact that letting Paul expire as a Hornet is a reasonable alternative to taking on salary.
That's fine - we have the assets to sign CP3 for max for four years (5?) when the Hornets deal expires
Without losing EJ OR the Minny pick. Who competes with us then? Who else would have a team with assets like BG and EJ and others to compete?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
That might happen maybe
Or you could control your own destiny now. Waiting for tomorrow is just the same old loser Clippers way.
So - you would trade both EJ and the Minny pick now?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Do I have to repeat myself?
Its a good trade even if he leaves after two years. He will produce more wins in those two years than EJ and the pick combined. Then at the end of those two years he is sign-and-tradeable for something in the neighborhood of Odom, Martin and Scola.
Done.
No, we know you aren't high on EJ.
And you have a right to your position.
I just feel differently.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Part of me just wants the trade to happen so everyone can see what happens when you replace Eric Gordon with Chris Paul
Should settle things convincingly.
Why replace EJ with CP3
when you can have them both?
My understanding is
Stern just said we can’t.
Would you trade EJ and the Minny pick to the Hornets
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If necessary, I think I would. Best PG in the NBA in his prime paired with Blake Griffin for a minimum of two years. That’s too tempting.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
I would admit it is close
But if I’m trying to build a team long term . . . Tough one. Particularly given that NO doesn’t appear to have any alternative partners.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
how does DTS pay for the Big 3 of Griffin/Gordon/Paul and then have contracts like Jordan and Butler?
DJ just made that harder to do for signing for more than he's worth.
Can we not match DJ and just get Okafor back since he’s only 2 years left?
Fire Jasen Powell!
by chrisd on Dec 12, 2011 3:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would expect this to be true if only because we have better replacement value at SG (Butler/Mo)...
than say Mo/Blesoe vs CP3/Mo at PG.
Interesting, but you'd have no baseline to compare to
So you’d never really know.
I'm sure someone would try to hide behind something like that
At no point last year where the Clippers on track to be a 50 win team. Or even close.
Not hiding anything
It’s just standard sceince and logic. The other 11 guys on the team are not the same 11 guys as last year and the health of those guys will not be exactly the same. These are just not comparable enough situations to draw a conclusion. To many other factors that you cannot control will impact the results.
That's insulting
You have no idea what you’re talking about and now you are just being insulting
By your logic
No GM or coach should ever be held responsible for anything. Since no two comparable situations have ever existed.
Plus we're not comparing to last year, rather this year
How can you convincingly show how many wins they would have if they didn’t make the trade?
Well he's right
Paul is worth it. But the NBA has fewer options than the Clippers.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
But the NBA is clearly crazy. That doesn’t make us the winner. We’re negotiating with a mad-man but saying no on logical grounds doesn’t count for anything.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Its times like this I go back to my thesis
That Clipper fan doesn’t actually want the Clippers to win as many games as possible.
But yet, we do.
CP3/Griffin/Gordon would win even more games than just CP3/Griffin.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I want them to win as many games as possbile
just not for only 2 years.
Maybe, we're a crazy bunch.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Relax - I didn't see your statement below before asking
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Paul w/ Griffin would be awesome
But what happens if Paul leaves after two years, any prediction where Griffin will go?
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
Griffin will be eligible for an extension this year. I think the odds of getting him to sign that 5 year extension is better if the Clippers have a guy like Chris Paul on the roster.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
But could be lessened if CP3 said that he's not resigning
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Sure. Anything could happen. But concerning ourselves with BG doing the unthinkable (as SP proved last year in his article) and passing up a max extension when nobody in basketball history has under the same position seems like a far-fetched scenario that we don’t need to worry about.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
The NBA?
I think they have backed themselves into a corner of Griffin or stand pat…again from a conscience perspective. Of course the conscience shouldn’t have to enter into this but for the unnecessary meddling. PG+Martin+Odom+Scola+Okafur is a competitive team.
Maybe Bynum as the centerpiece is enough? Bynum+Martin+Scola with Okafur going out too? That’s a much better offer than Gordon too.
I think the deal gets done if its EJ AND the pick. Which makes it still insane that that deal hasn’t gotten done.
So you think we should trade the Minny Pick and EJ for CP3 for two years
I suspect that most here would strongly disagree with your view and applaud Olshey and DTS for not offering both.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If I were the Clips I wouldn't trade both the Minny pick AND EJ for
for only two years of CP3, in this situation where the Hornets have very little leverage.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Ok
So if that trade happens you will be against it.
Yes, I would
And you would be for it, correct?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Stated another way, if Olshey made that trade you'd support him
Right ?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
talking for myself
If Olshey does that he can be fired if Paul doesn’t resign with us long term, long term meaning more than the optin.
Just waiting for John R's position statement on this . . .
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Support him is creepy. I'm not into the whole cult of personality thing the way you are.
It would be a good trade.
Come on,
EJ will be an Allstar, and the pick could become a superstar.
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
by cliptakular on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
What leverage?
Who has leverage? Stern holds all levers. Which is a really, really, weird situation to be in now that the league is supposed to be in normal operation.
New Orleans has leverage. They have the best PG in the league; the player we want.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Not much since he's told him he's leaving at the end of the year
and they will get nothing. And there aren’t many suitors who can put together a very strong offer given that he can only reup for a year as an extension and that is only to teams he wants to go to.
Not much leverage at all.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
By the way I totally understand why
some would still do this deal – CP3 is one of the best players in the league and a player in a position of need for the Clippers. One question I have is whether CP3 would do the extension if EJ is traded. Would you still agree to do the deal if the answer is no and we only get CP3 for 66 games?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Paul would absolutely waive his early termination option, yes.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure why this is a question for you
You said you wouldn’t do the deal for two years of Paul.
“If I were the Clips I wouldn’t trade both the Minny pick AND EJ for only two years of CP3,”
Where is the gun to Olshey's head that we have to do a deal TODAY?
Clippers know the asking price, more importantly they know CP3 will opt-in. Presumably they will be in position to do this deal tomorrow, or the next day…even if another team has a go a this nonsense. Clippers can always reconsider the trade and get back in. No leverage (to do a deal right now) is what I’m getting at.
I am looking at these rejected trades
Trades are being negotiated, so Stern hasn’t shut down the idea, but here is what I see.
Stern is saying it is his preference that the buyer of the team has Paul as an asset when he comes in. If you want Paul, bowl me over.
The only teams I see that are in better position to get CP3 thru trade is still Lakers/Knicks.
Sure, Stern can wait it out to see if they can better value from any NBA team willing to roll the dice on 66 game rental – but, the longer they go, the less bargaining power NOH has. But hard to see any team without the CP3 opt in kicker to be able to beat the Clippers offer.
Basketball-wise, I have no doubt the Clippers would be better with CP3 over Gordon. If the Clippers were at risk, then I would throw in Gordon…but there is no pressure I see right now that would warrant that.
The Clippers can start out 1-14 again (or really any start where the Clippers playoff probability takes a decent hit.) That’s a risk. At that point you are trading for only 1 post-season potential with Paul rather than two.
It is very much in LAC’s interests to do this deal sooner than later because of the value Paul adds.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Or what if after the 1-14 start
Paul takes the Clippers off his list?
Trade Board of Review
Will all this result in Pops strong suggestion of a review board for trades?
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
by Lawler's Law on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Kaman to Utah or San Antonio
Kaman + sweetener for Okur and Bell.
Kaman + sweetenr for McDyess and Splitter.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
man
You really want Okur and Bell. Why? No way the Clippers part with Kaman before the trade deadline for anything less than a Paul/Howard/Williams level player.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
If anything, I think this is great for EJ to know how much the Clippers value him
Reverse Odom effect
Agree
"The perception here in Los Angeles has always been that the Lakers find a way to win games and the Clippers find a way to lose…I recognize it, but I'm not going to accept it," Griffin said. "I'm not going to say, 'Oh, that's fine."
by TheEricGordonShow on Dec 12, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Funny
ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
Clippers could have sweetened the deal by throwing in Darius Miles, Quentin Richardson and Keyon Dooling.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 11:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
Best thing I’ve read all day.
"The perception here in Los Angeles has always been that the Lakers find a way to win games and the Clippers find a way to lose…I recognize it, but I'm not going to accept it," Griffin said. "I'm not going to say, 'Oh, that's fine."
by TheEricGordonShow on Dec 12, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Come on - Keyon too? Really? Don't do it
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
What was this from?
I think the comment is hilareous, but is it from a previous trade offer? If so, what was the deal?
Happy Holidays...
On the twelfth day of trading,
David Stern sent to me
Twelve Demps drumming,
Eleven proposals piping,
Ten hours of leaping,
Nine teams dancing,
Eight rumors a-milking,
Seven standoffs a-swimming,
Six demands a-laying,
Five golden rings,
Four tweeting birds,
Three Stern hens,
Two first picks,
And a veto in a pear tree!
Ha ha
or should I be crying?
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Saddest thing for us Clipper fans...
…this is probably the most fun we’ll have all year.
Idk, I think
that opinion will change during the first Blake Griffin or DJ alley-oop
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
what is up with all this alley-oop talk on this blog. From most posters. Is that the Clipper highlight they is priority. How about a “W”
ya, a W
is more important, but i was talking about fun factor, and there isn’t many more plays in the NBA that bring more excitement than an alley-oop
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
sure there is. Watching your PG dribble the ball as the clock winds down with ClipNation woot and hollering after a W
As we Pats fans would say, “one Superbowl beats 50 touchdowns, any day!” (Ref. 2007 and Brady’s record)
by TheCasualFan on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
You did know that Griffin won last years MEP award.
Most Exciting player award.
If that’s all I need, I can just replay the Dunk-Over-The-Kia Youtube video.
by TheCasualFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
maybe in years past
but I think this is going to be a really good year. The team is already together and ready to go.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
Joe Gerrity
As word breaks during camp bout Cp3 to LAC dying, CP3 walks off floor during team stretch by himself. Legal action coming?
by dulciusXasperis on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 AM PST reply actions
Poor Chris. Stern has been screwing him over.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
And this is where I stood last night
didn’t want to excite myself over crap like this. LAC needs to keep themselves away from this drama. As it stands thus far, everybody seems to want to play for one another, and a drama setting like this and it could easily ruin our chemistry. Comon Oshley! Even if Paul agrees to opt in or resign, keep your word and say no for Gordon.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Not to mention:
Good job for Oshley for not being desperate and also know what is too high. Was afraid in the beginning of the season that he might be desperate because of his attempt to show he was an adequate GM, but at least he knows his limit.
But apart of me really wishes we still had Mike Dunleavy as our GM. I mean, +1 for Dunleavy for being able to flip a 2nd round pick for Marcus Camby.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Dunleavy was the Puppet Master
It was Oshley that was working the GM role behind the scenes and likely manufactured that trade.
Doubt it
Dunleavy was the GM. Let’s give credit where credit is due. Just because he wasn’t the right coach for us doesn’t mean we have to continue to be resentful.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Soon NOLA will have no trade partners
Why would a GM go through the hassle of putting together a deal, having all his players named in the media, and get rejected again by the league? It’s simply not worth it at this stage.
We all saw what happened with Odumb. And young players tend to take things more personally and get more easily offended. I can easily see a guy like AFA moping and not feeling wanted. Hopefully EJ can be more professional, but I’ve definitely seen some moping tendencies in him as well.
Why would he mope - didn't they refuse to deal him?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Depends on what he believes
We all read the reports that he was included in the deal and NOLA wanted more. So if EJ chooses to believe that, it could be had. I’ve found that often this kind of things comes down to what his “posse” believes. If everyone around him keeps telling him he was gonna be traded, he’ll start to believe it too. It happens to everyone.
If his people brush it off and tell him the Clips rejected CP3 for him…that would be good.
ESPN now admits we didn't include EJ
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
He sounds so dumb when he speaks I want to turn off Sportscenter.
Fire Jasen Powell!
by chrisd on Dec 12, 2011 3:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah the clippers can always say they rejected the trade because they didn't want to include EJ
although I might be worried about Bledsoe and Aminu. Although I think they will be fine they know the NBA is a business and that there is always a chance they can be traded and it wasn’t like they were dumping them they were going towards gaining a superstar.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Bledsoe will miss the first few weeks of the season and Aminu never had confidence anyway.
We’re good.
Proud member of Club FTR
by Lawler 4ever on Dec 12, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, but
the young guys shouldn’t mope. This was for CHRIS PAUL, after all. AFA et al weren’t being traded for chicken feed.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Have a feeling GSW are going to come out of this with CP#
Steph Curry would have to be included obviously, and CP3 will opt-in for an extra year
"The perception here in Los Angeles has always been that the Lakers find a way to win games and the Clippers find a way to lose…I recognize it, but I'm not going to accept it," Griffin said. "I'm not going to say, 'Oh, that's fine."
by TheEricGordonShow on Dec 12, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions
Why would Ws
Give up their only young franchise player (with upside no less) for a CP that would probably leave?Don’t see it happening.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
True
But the fact Clips refuse to trade him for Chris shows how much they value him.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Bruossard/Stein Espn report up now
Confirms our offer was Kaman, Aminu, Bled, and MIN but Stern insisted on EJ too. Good job Olshey, dont back down to these desperate clowns.
Good luck finding another deal, have fun with the lawsuit, and see you on draft day when we draft yet another talented young player before signing CP as a FA.
So Broussard was wrong - what a surprise
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
So Brussard was wrong all along
typical.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
i mentioned this yesterday...
Broussard seems to always be wrong… not sure why they allow him to post on the front page
He's always wrong and right!
Because he just spews a bunch of stuff out hoping something sticks so that he can claim that he called it.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
he has a shotgun approach to journalism
he says a bunch of BS and hopes something sticks.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure where this comes from
As I mentioned in a previous thread…with links and everything…Broussard was easily the first one to know that Lebron was going to Miami.
His sources are usually pretty good. It’s Bucher who’s been totally off of late.
There is good evidence that he stole the Miami report from Stephen A Smith
and that also came after he promised that LBJ would end up in New York.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Can you refer me to the evidence you speak of?
I do remember Steven A mentioning it real early. Though nobody believed him and he quieted down as the time drew near.
Can't remember where it was posted
I just some shady business over Broussard stealing material from other writers and claiming it as their own.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
edit: his own
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Nah they gonna be bitter and rig the lottery so that we don't get a good pick...
It’s going to end up #12.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
awesome job
Olshey…. Clips played it well, Stern is proving to be a fool. Not gonna do better than this
personally i'm proud of the way Neil handled himself
played everything close to the vest, can still smooth things over with Gordon because nothing was definitive and no one really knew who was involved. didn’t grab his ankles and cave. well done.
the result, however, still sucks. seems we get so close to stars that we can taste them and then…..nothing.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
+1
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
funny
I’m surprised Broussard admitted it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
new report
sources say nba hacks into broussard’s twitter saying gordon wasn’t included in the trade in the ultimate attempt to save gordon’s feelings!!!!!!!!!!!!
So...
According to this story, Olshey played it EXACTLY the way I said he should. What are the odds?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
sounds like we have a competent gm
however an incompetent commissioner stood in the way.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
He read your blog, the excellent writing convinced him.
Good job Steve! The unsung hero.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
This earlier tweet says it all:
Chrisbroussard:
Sources say in addition to Bledsoe, league asking for another pick from Minny. Stern is trying to make this impossible.
“another pick from Minny?” “In addition to Bledsoe?”
Elton who?
by StudioCity.B.Free on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Awesome. Well said and Bravo Oshley, bravo!
What was the real Clippers offer to Hornets?
It could not be for both EJ and Minny pick.
A couple of minutes ago CBroussard said on ESPN that it included EJ/Kaman/AFA. If so then no wonder the league said no.
I would like to know the real offer
Broussard's latest article says that
EJ was not included and that Stern was insisting on him being included but the clippers wouldn’t add him to the proposal.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Remind me not to trust what he says
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Nah even broussard changed it now
Bruossard/Stein Espn report up now
Confirms our offer was Kaman, Aminu, Bled, and MIN but Stern insisted on EJ too. Good job Olshey, dont back down to these desperate clowns.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I guess you don't see the value in the MIN pick?
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
that's how rebuilding works, with potential
The deal was a good one, as good as they will get.
Really ?
Remember last season many were saying the same about Denver? Denver stuck to its gun and got a huge haul for Carmelo Anthony.
But in that situation was Carmelo traded with many years on the deal?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Stern is delusional
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Demps should just walk out the door right now.
The league is clearly not listening to him and making him look bad.
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Agreed
Demps has worked hard and has found the best trades. If he left right now, I think a team wouldn’t mind using his services.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
poor guy, completely neutered
supposedly he had to be talked out of resigning the first time around with the lakers. i’m just hoping the poor guy isn’t swinging from a shower rod later. this is all truly ridiculous.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Demps has been castrated twice now - brutal for him
Doing all the work and being sent back by an out-of-touch boss.
Exactly!
He doesn’t care if he guts the Clippers as long as they can sell the NO franchise. Of course, no one is going to be dumb enough to buy it after Chris Paul walks!
KevinDing KEVIN DING
Kobe acknowledged being a bit unnerved by prospect of CP3 going to Clippers now. That deal dying also would change that.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 AM PST reply actions
Remember when Stern was called the best commissioner in all of sports?
He now will go out as a buffoon with two work stoppages and this NOH debacle. Hey,at least he got a dress code for the players on the road-Not!!
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Right - the Laker ship has sailed
Wha’ts left is Celtics and GSW. Our offer is better than both
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Don't forget the synthetic balls what a bust.
This commissioner is looking more and more like an idiot.
They are crazy if they want Gordon and the Minny pick. Not worth it.
Gordon is not on the table..please keep it that way.
It’s funny how these radio stations in L.A. keep talking about how bad this is for the lakers, but they don’t talk about how good this is for the Clippers.
Laker homerism
Barely a mention of the Paul to Clips deal this morning when all they could talk about for 12 hours straight last Thursday was Paul to Lakers.
Tebow and even the Xavier/Cincy suspensions got more air time. Ridiculous.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Tebow I can understand
he’s an enigma right now…
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's caused the Clips didn't get screwed over in a trade that would've went through
any other year. Besides the Clippers without Blake are pretty much the red headed stepchild of LA especially with DTS at the helm. The Clips are probably better set for the long term holding onto the pick and picking up another combo guard with the picks. Another guard who can score with or without the ball and can still create ala Seth Curry who probably won’t be too high into the draft or a Barnes to be the new sf after Butler gets older who knows that pick could be very good for this team. Also keeping Gordon and DJ are only gonna help keep Blake happy and a happy superstar is one who is gonna stay and play his hardest
Can't see this revisited
It’s EJ and Minny pick or the highway, right?
Even if we suckered someone into taking Kaman for a 1st rounder doesn’t sound like enough.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
glad this fell apart as constructed.
would slightly hurt us long term without EJ, and probably not quite good enough to win a ring right now. smart decision not to cave.
ESPN 5 on 5
None of them thought CP+Blake minus EJ was a contender.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Move on
Well, I guess it is time to move on and possibly set our sights on someone else. By the way, should we bill David Stern for any ulcers due to this mess?
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 AM PST reply actions
I'm off to Clippers practice
Will be out of touch for an hour or so until I get there. Have fun without me. Should be interesting up there.
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try and gauge how EJ feels
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by bestclipfan on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Tell Madeline B. I am rich and single
and will meet her at the PV Starbucks.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
+1
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Steve
could you give us a report how Trey is doing in practice. Lawler raved about his play the other day.
not really letting me in practice
by the time they open the doors for outsiders, it’s just free throws and shooting drills. But I can ask.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
So now do the Clippers go if full denial mode with EJ
that he was part of a trade? It is a business but will this affect the enthusiasm of the young team knowing they were trade fodder right when the season is ready to start?
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Broussard/Stein
finally said our offer did not include EJ.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
lol what a hack
at least he came clean
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
They can basically say it was a bad rumor that never involved him. Pass it off as people not knowing which Eric.
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
What are ou talking about? He wasn't involved
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
That’s my point. You say it was a bad rumor and that he was never involved. You’re telling him that you kept your word.
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
You don't have to defend yourself when you did nothing
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We’re saying the same thing here. I think I’m just saying it a little bit more sleep deprived.
by FlyByKnight on Dec 12, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
He wasn't involved
If NOH was more delusional and asked for Griffin in the trade, would we say “Griffin was part of the trade” ? Of course not. NOH asked for Gordon, Clippers said no. What’s to deny?
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Leave Minny+AFA+Kaman+Bledso+Firsts on the table and walk away
The NBA will come back when they can’t find a better deal
I wouldn't be at all surprised
to see it pursued towards the deadline, after the Hornets have suffered through a huge soap opera of a season.
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CP3 is my favorite player but hearing his walking away from practice makes me mad. He is one of NBA’s goodie spokesperson and having him show so much public disdain for his current employer doesn’t help his next team. So if Clips get him and he decides he doesn’t want to stay with the team, he would be a cancerous distraction in his walk year.
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
hes walking away because thats another place he wanted to go that got screwed over because stern wanted a gutting rather than a trade
he has reason to be upset, he’s practically out of places he wants to be
The Drama Never Ends
I think there’s going to be at least one more cycle of drama on this issue before the season starts on Christmas. Still think the Clips should lower their offer though to Kaman, Bledsoe, and AFA and make Stern give something else up to get the Mini pick included once again.
Are the Clippers protection on the OKC pick such that they couldn't trade a pick to New Orleans (of the Clippers)..
…in 2014 assuming the 2012 pick is headed to OKC?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Also...
….I’d consider trading a couple 1st round picks if I were the Clippers along with the Clippergeddon pick along with Aminu Bledsoe and Kaman.
Still, Stern is dragging this out too much. It’s not good for anyone.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
On the other hand..
…I wouldn’t trade Eric Gordon or demand that the Clippers give him if I were the NBa.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The assumption is the problem
Since the Bledsoe/OKC/BOS has conditions until 2016, you can’t know when those conditions are going to be met with any certainty. So you can’t trade the same pick twice, and you can’t trade picks in back to back years. So odds are the Bledsoe pick goes to Boston next year (fingers crossed the Clips are out of the bottom 10) but until that happens, first round picks are tied up for a long time.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Call me skeptical
Let’s assume the Paul deal got done. If we have a salary capologist among us, please explain how the Clips would have been able to sign Paul, BG, and Gordon to max or near-max deals AND pay Butler and DJ what they will receive. I don’t think EJ is going to buy the line that he wasn’t in the deal.
IMO Gordon and his agent will wait until Westbrook is extended before sitting down with the Clips OR they will just take the risk and wait until next summer when he becomes a RFA.
Still under the luxury tax
for simplicity let’s say we paid CP3, BG and EJ all $16MM each. Butler is at $8MM and DJ at $10 + change. That’s $66MM total and below the current luxury tax level and most likely below any future level.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Not exactly
I believe NBA teams are required to have either 13 or 14 players under contract. We would have to sign 8-9 players under rookie contracts and/or veteran minimums. Regardless, we would be well over the salary cap.
The players go from a 57% share to a 49 to 51% share under the new CBA. So, it’s likely that the salary cap will stay flat or even go down.
Strong Work, Olshey.
The Clippers, perennially the but of jokes in terms of trading and FA signings told David Stern to walk.
What’s Stern going to get for Paul now? He’s pushing him around like that fool in your fantasy league who thinks that Mehmet Okur is worth Pau Gasol. You can’t trade damaged goods for 150% value. That’s just insane.
Bledsoe, Kaman, Aminu and Minny’s pick were more than the league could have ever conceived they would have gotten after Laker-gate.
So, kudos on standing up to the dictator, Olshey. Sometimes the best deal is no deal.
by DoubleClutchClipperFan on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions
Olshey really played this one well.
Keep up the good work, Neil.
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Thats why we call him Hollywood Neil!
If he can deal with all the hollywood phonies then he can deal with Mr Big Time Phony
himself(Stern). Good Job for not letting him bully you.
Things are definitely good
The fact that we have the assets to deal for a superstar and that a superstar wants to join the team shows that the Clippers have been working walking towards a much positive direction for the past few years. Coach Dumbleavy was terrible but GM Dunleavy did a solid job.
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
MDSr couldn't get the key FA (EB) to stick around -
Olshey got the best PG in the game to want to come here.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I don’t think it was really his fault that EB boned out.
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Dec 12, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
having said that…. i wanted MDSr out for the longest time. He just wasn’t right for a young team.
http://www.clipperscurse.com/
by ClippersCurse on Dec 12, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
We all know your stance on MDSr
The man can do no right.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
It all started with him not getting EB to resign
I will never forget personally asking EB of his opinion of MDSr three months earlier. he responded by rolling his eyes. That’s when I knew (and predicted here) that EB would not resign here because of MDSr. I don’t hate MDSr, I just thought he would not be able to do what Olshey is now doing – getting bigtime FAs to believe in the Clippers.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
No, that's other people's spin
All I wanted was a winning team and I didn’t think he’d get us there.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
You never had anything negative to say about MDSr before EB?
Well that’s just not true.
I guess Caron Butler is the big time FA then.
Your sign's broken
Olshey failed to get the best PG in the game.
Fixed!!
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Now that this may be over
I hope Chris Paul just plays with NO this year and signs with the team of his choice and Stern gets caught with his d**k in his hand.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Force him into retirement
He’s clearly no longer in the right state of mind.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
But does he?
Wasn’t part of the new CBA attempting to keep players with their original team by allowing them to re-sign their own players for more years/money? Maybe he wants to see that fruition.
Liked this post from Basketball Talk (image by Rob Mahoney):
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not to be a jerk, but...
You gotta figure it’s well below the Lakers’ chances and New York’s chances.
by DoubleClutchClipperFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman off books and amnesty Foye/Gomes.
And you are there.
However, it’s the Knicks if it goes to FA.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
oh...then ok...you are there without the amnesty.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Matching DJ will put the Clippers like $7Mil over the cap this year
Plus you have to figure EJ’s extension which will probably be about $9Mil more then this year. Unless you let him become a restricted free agent. You’d probably have to amnesty Mo and trade Gomes for nothing to get close. Remember the Minny pick will be a high draft pick that will probably be around $5mil
Good points.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
even if
Even if EJ is an RFA, his cap hold will be huge. He will be on the books for a big number, $12M at least.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I thought too
Something around $5M?
Doesn't work that way
Cap hold is 2.5x his last salary. used to be 3×... it’s huge for first round picks coming off rookie deal.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Knicks
Knicks have no cap space. he’d have to play for the MLE. I don’t think it will come to that, but I’d call the Clippers chances good. As good as anyone right now.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Considering your reverse mojo
I was hoping you would say the Clippers have zero chance of signing Chris Paul.
by dodgergabe26 on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
So is there really a better offer out there?
Were just going to play hardball for a few months right? I dont see another team giviing up more for CP3, eventually they will have to take our offer.
We should offer less as the season goes on and we get less usage of CP3
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
also depends on how
Minnesota is doing as the season chugs along
Good point
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Have you seen MIN's early sched?
Their first 6 games are against winning/contending teams, could be six straight losses.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
everything I read says EJ was the dealbreaker
If this is true Olshey did a good job.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions
Can one win the Exec of the Year award
for NOT making a bad deal? If so, then Olshey is an early favorite.
From David Aldridge
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Clippers won’t do Gordon and Minnesota’s first; have told NO to pick one or the other. Hornets say they need both for their franchise player
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM PST reply actions
EJ could have also been deal breaker for CP as well in the long run
CP less sure to sign extension with us if we gave up EJ in deal.
and does EJ sign an extension with NO? We dunno know. Heck we dunno if he will sign one with Clips, And if did for how much?
RFA
EJ is an RFA – very different animal.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
It’ll be quite embarrassing to the League and Hornets if at the end of the season Paul walks and the team gets nothing.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions
They might tank and get the #1....which jeopardizes our Minny pick
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
You think a team with healthy CP will tank? Dont know if thats in his genetic code. . .
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Who is he surrounded with?
DWest is gone.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
played 70 games
only got injured just before the play-offs
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
He's surrounded with
The same team that took Lakers to 6 in playoffs. They wont win 50 games, but they’re not gonna tank. . .
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
West is gone
a lot of the role players are gone…. .
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
yes but Paul was a big part of it
and the Lakers weren’t that great.
Let’s put it this way: besides Paul the best players left are Okafor and Ariza. Good luck with that.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
why should he bother?
few people will take offensive if he isn’t too motivated when still in NO.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
and no-one that will come unless they hugely overpay
also they are down to a handful players and a lot of free agents have signed somewhere. With a superstar that isn’t motivated this could be a testing year for this franchise.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
And you can bet Paul might not that motivated.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
And out of the teams he wants to play for
We could be the only ones with room to sign him as a FA. Imagine that, we keep our Min pick and draft another great young prospect, sign CP, and the Hornets are left with. . .?
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Make no mistake, in FA he's going to NY
Cap space or not, they will work it out.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm i wonder how his agent will feel about that. . .
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I just can't see it
How can Stern let CP walk to Broadway and leave Hornets in the dust with nothing?
CP would have to play for peanuts, i doubt he does that over playing with a younger and equally (if not more) talented team in LA for more money. I just dont see it.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Chris Paul want to play with Amar'e if he went to NY?
Trading Amar’e would then hurt their chances even more.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
His dream "Big Three" that started this whole Chris Paul sweepstakes...
was himself, Melo, and Amar’e.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Also, Tyson Chandler ate up valuable cap space that could have gone to Paul.
Why would Paul take a significant paycut to play with Chandler when he could sign with the Clippers for more money and play with another center he likes (DJ)?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Which is really why stern's position is a joke
CP3 is dictating either way where he goes. But if he goes early he gets to help NO get more players. Trying to be a nice guy.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
One random thought, if Dwight goes to LA - then Deron is still a potential target
At the very least, the past 72 hrs or so have proven that LAC can now attract talent…
Clippers Did Come Out Ahead In Another Respect
Apparently online season tickets sold out this morning except for singles before it was announced the deal was dead.
by Clipster Hipster on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions
Wow... Ha ha
That’s a strange one
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It's all a ploy to sell tickets!
I almost did, until I found out the tickets I could have gotten before the lockout (Premier) for $1,500 per seat are now $2,300 per seat.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I jumped on the 12-pack
Did ask about the season tickets and they were sold out early this AM. Was going to anyway and the CP3 rumor made me jump sooner.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
I'm disappointed.
Not in the Clippers’ front office – kudos to Olshey for standing his ground and refusing to give up EJ. I’m disappointed in the NBA. They had valid reasons to shoot down the Lakers’ trade, not so here. FREE CHRIS PAUL!
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Nah, the Lakers trade was defensible, I think they stepped over the line in that one.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
They claimed to want young players and picks instead...
which is a perfectly defensible, reasonable position. If you’re looking to rebuild, young players and picks will make it happen quicker than two 30-year-olds who don’t want to be in NOLA. But now they’ve apparently flip-flopped and that’s not enough for them anymore. So what DO they want?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Interesting that
Stern basically caused the Lakers to lose Odom
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I agree that it wouldnt have been a great trade...BUT
…it was not bad enough to straight up VETO and ABORT like that.
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by Newton Pham on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree.
They were getting talent, but not young talent (Kevin Martin is 28), and not a good draft pick.
If the Hornets really want to clear cap and rebuild, our offer is way better in the long term, and more attractive to a potential buyer.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Im not holding my breath
But i still say Stern comes around to our offer. If not, we are still in great shape moving forward. So proud and excited to be a Clipper fan right now.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I think the greater majority of Clipsnation supports the FO decision.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
There's another T-shirt for ya
FREE CHRIS PAUL!
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
By the way...
Way to go, Stern. Donald Sterling is a better owner than you. Stern = worst owner in the history of sports.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
fun times in NO
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Prominent agent: NBA has rendered Hornets front office “inoperable” and has given up doing even minor signings with them now.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM PST reply actions
Off topic
but still interesting if you are sports fan. Two NFL head coaches fired today Saprano of Miami ann Haley of KC.
Sparano not a surprise
Haley is a little shocking considering only his 3rd season and they won the division last year and their record isnt that terrible(5-8), but they’ve been getting blown out a lot this season
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
OMG, I'm listening to the radio..these guys are so annoying.
They don’t talk about the Clippers. Everything is lakers this and lakers that. lakers will get Howard (in their dreams). They would rather talk about freaking boxing than the Clippers.
A Los Angeles team ADDING players?
GASP… to the Stern-mobile!
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
what is the Lakers flagship radio station? Thought is was that channel 710 ESPN you are probably listening to or are they still on 570?
720 Honks are
Kool-Aid drinking fools. The Lakers could be 10 games behing the Clippers at the All-Star break and they still would mock the Clippers, and dream of some crazy deal that is going to fall into the Lakers lap. Why? Beacause it has always happend before. Idiots!
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
If something has always happened before why would they be idiots for expecting it to happen again?
Who was the last great Laker who was not acquired via a trade, or was drafted because of a trade? Their whole history has been built on timely trades. They only expect the same to continue.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
This is a blessing in disguise, that the trade fell off. Why, you ask?
Why trade so many pieces for Chris Paul when we all know Minny will suck so bad that the Clippers could end up with Austin Rivers, a much better PG than Paul?
This is the trade that should be done, and it works out perfectly.
Dallas gets: Kaman, Gomes
Clippers get: Marion, Haywood.
Lineup: Mo, EJ, Caron, BG, DJ
6th: Marion
Donald heckled ME!!!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 PM PST reply actions
I don’t think Rivers is NBA point guard ready. He needs to mature up and develop his game more. He plays very selfishly at Duke. I could see him coming off the bench a couple years. But with the Minny pick we can get a really good player or trade it later.
Give him time
Besides, Bledsoe I believe will be pretty damn good. He played for Calipari, and Cal knows good PGs and he swears on white bread that Bledsoe will be an All-Star in the NBA.
Donald heckled ME!!!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Dec 12, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Austin Rivers looks like he may have OJ Mayo syndrome
talented guard who isn’t a good enough passer and play maker to play the one and isn’t a dangerous enough shooter to really play the two. He is stuck in no mans land. Unfortunately this years draft is full of great 4s and 5s two positions that we have taken care of more or less.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
true, there are some gems in this draft
Donald heckled ME!!!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Dec 12, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Clippers have shown EJ that they value him, right?
by standing their ground. But they’ll have to back this up with a decent extension offer. If they offer 4 yrs $40M, then they will destroy all that goodwill. They’ll have to be careful that their offer is not even close to being insulting.
We need a "Time to Move on" thread
Now what do we do? Sit on our hands waiting for the next proposal while other teams make moves?
We don’t need to make a lot of moves, but an amnesty bid on Billups or something similar.
I guess my question is: if CP3 is not happening, are we happy with the roster and what it implies for the next offseason?
I am ok with the roster.
Not exactly happy but ok with it.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
Let's keep this team.
We sign DJ. We need Kaman for depth anyway, since Jordan gets a foul a minute. (I am possibly exaggerating.) We’re fine with Mo – who likes being a Clipper – with Bledsoe in the wings anyway. Signing Butler at SF was a priority. I don’t see that we have a glaring weakness to be honest……plus with a short season and all our current guys knowing the system, why would we try to mess it up this season anyway if we don’t get a top-10 type talent in return? There are no more guys of that caliber available anyway, unless we trade for Howard…..which I don’t see happening (and likely that’s already a complete non issue.) Play this year with what we got. I’m happy to have both EJ and Minny’s lottery pick anyway. Good to go……LET’S PLAY BALL!
And thanks Olshey for not caving!
lets face it...
deep down inside all of us…we knew this thing wasnt gonna happen
Deep down you right. I’m always in touch with my feminine side which helps me to… nevermind
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm......neither?
As much as I don’t like Sterling, I don’t see how not overpaying for the crap Baylor drafted would have helped. And if Stern was going to veto Paul for Bledsoe, Amino, Kaman, EJ, and a high lottery pick…..then he did us a favor! (I believe the story that says we were never willing to part with all that though.)
by Clipper Doggy on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
not overpaying for crap baylor drafted made sense
underpaying for an awful gm in baylor for years and years and years and years did not.
Sterling looks like a saint right now compared to David Stern.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I lkie the roster.
System in place. Roster has depth and youth. I say let it ride this year and see what happens. The Clippers are in better shape than a lot of other teams and set up for a long sustained run with BG, Jordan, EJ, Bledso, Aminu and the MInny pick.
After waiting all these years for something special to happen to the Clippers, I was not ready to dump half the roster for two years of a superstar guard who really didn’t want to be here anyways.
is this a playoff roster? Is this a one and done roster? All they have done is add a SF that is on the wrong side of 30 and is injury prone. Knock on wood.
Look how they finished last year. With BD out at the start, they had that 1-13 run, but they finished strong and played EVERYBODY right to the end. Beat Miami, Boston, Dallas, San Antonio etc….
A year older and hopefully healthier….Kaman….
Sign Jordan, BG and EJ and this roster will explode going forward.
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Clippers were the only team in the NBA last year to beat every division winner during the year.
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
id do the trade still
And use the cap space created by the deal to sign a SG
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 1:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
just to fan the flames
Too bad the Clips don’t have their 2011 rookie to trade. If they Irving to offer they wouldn’t have to include EJ.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No worries
I’m sure NO would take BD off our hands with that two year $34M left on the deal. And no doubt we could have signed Butler if we had done what some argued vociferously here and overpaid for JChill, Outlaw and/or Miller.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I thought we reached a deal to not comment on each others comments
That said.
AMNESTY
Butler for 3/24 million could easily be a bad thing.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think we all know that DTS wouldnt amnesty BD
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
two options
Baron would be a backup guard. He’s big enough to guard 2s unlike Mo. Next year he’d be a big expiring contract and his last years isn’t fully guaranteed.
Amnesty him and hope a title contender picks him up. You save the difference.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yah ok
First, BD can’t shoot. Remenber a 2 guard is also called a “shooting” guard.
Second, DTS would never amnesty BD.
Third, you want to keep BD over MO at twice the price because of his defensive skills?
Ok then
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
So after excoriating Olshey for not going for Outlaw/JChill/Miller
You’re against signing Butler?
Interesting
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
i think its an okay signing
But this isn’t 26 year old Caron coming in. The Clips didn’t need a scoring SF who takes away shots from the other 4 starters. He’s an upgrade over Gomes of course as Childress, Miller would have been.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's why he's only $24M
Better than Miller or JChill, come on. Admit at least that.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
8 million per year is a lot
I’m just hoping he doesn’t fall apart by year 2. At least in the last year he’s a tradeable expiring contract.
And Miller and Childress are cheaper and better at this point in their careers.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Yet, neither were available. Prince took himself off the table. When Clipper fans are complaining because Caron Butler is not good enough for our team then we must have arrived.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
He asked who was better
Not complaining, I think it was a necessary move given the few options in free agency. But it wasn’t a unbelieveably good signing.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
yah
Necessary but there were many many suitors – we got him. A good move that.
And you seriously think Miller who hardly played last year and is hurt this year would be a better signing?
Egads
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
are you betting
That Caron will take an excessive amoiunt. Of shots away from our big two?
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sort of
Kaman and Butler will shoot a lot more than DJ and Gomes right? There’s only so many possessions.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
they only shoot if you let them
the coach controls most of that
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
should add
Amnestying Baron isn’t even truly necessary. Clips are not offering (or being asked to offer) anything the Clips got back in that trade.
And man I would think some small sf would love to sign with a CP3 BG EJ DJ team.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So you'd rather have BD at twice the price of MO
You do realize that BD’s currently hurt (again)
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
doesnt matterA
Al
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
meh
Doesn’t matter. Mo would be a overpaid backup now who’s declining.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't we rather have MO as a backup than BD at this point?
At half the price of BD? Come on
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not really
Mo and CP3 can’t play together can they? Neither can realistically guard a 2 guard, Baron could. Mo would only be able to play 12-14 minutes a game when CP3 was resting.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Butler would handle that role
BD isn’t really an option
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
He can't be both
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Probably would matter to CP3
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Only if...
it was Bledsoe, Kaman, Aminu and the Minny pick. Anything more and I say no.
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
For teams in the future and salary cap ramifications I would definitely consider replacing an unsigned EJ and keeping the Minny pick.
As one many posters state: can you image all those alley-oops
If it were possible to sign long term all of the following: BG, Jordan, EJ, & CP3. That would be better than the big 3 in Miami in my opinion. You could fill out the roster with 33 year olds who want rings and a couple of rookies.
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
@ESPNSteinLine
Marc Stein
Clippers might decide THEY no longer want to be part of CP3 trade process. But from NBA perspective, sources say, talks w/Clippers not over
5 minutes ago via UberSocial for BlackBerry
whatever.
I’ll believe it when it is done. over it.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
I interpret this as...
Stern having second thoughts after hearing internal threats of Demps and other Hornets members handing in their letters of resignation.
Could they finally be moving towards rationality?
They simply aren’t going to get a better offer than our final offer… take it or leave it. If Olshey pulls this deal off without giving up Gordon and WITH Stern’s drama, he should get GM of the Decade.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Telling you. . .
Olshey s gonna wait this out and Stern will have to give in. The alternatives for the Hornets are all worse.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Wait it Out
Does the 72 hour window to match DJ come into play at all here? Is there any salary cap implications whatsoever?
Nope
We’ve gor Bird Rights on DJ, and CP3’s contract is balanced by the salaries of Kaman plus the kids. That’s why there’s no way to do this trade w/o including Kaman.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Sellers are always open to talking
It behooves them to hear each and every offer.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
i like the idea of backing stern into a corner
hes going to have no choice but to deal pretty soon
not so easy being an owner, eh
And then this from Broussard
Chris Broussard: Looks like league is saying it won’t let CP dictate that NO trade him where he wants to go. Looks like they may make him become FA and
Chris Broussard: Settle for teams with cap room or take far less $ to pick his spot. Or stay in NO for biggest payday. This must be about principle not bball Twitter
I gotta say. . .if they let him walk, we are gonna be even more attractive to him this summer. All our talent, AND the MIN pick in hand. . .
chris paul should have publicly said:
PLEASE DONT TRADE ME TO THE CLIPPERS!!!
but privately…
he did
til the lakers and knicks got stonewalled
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Guess Lakers not getting Dwight Howard?
ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
Dwight Howard on Orlando (via @NBATV): “I love this place and there’s no place I’d rather be.”
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM PST reply actions
Dwight's just saying all the right things on his way out the door.
He’ll be a Net or a Bull soon enough.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Don't know if Howard likes
cold weather but Chicago should be his next destination. Noah/Deng/other pieces might get r done
Saga continues
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
One source close to process tells ESPN that NBA does not see talks w/Clippers as over. NBA still “hopeful” CP3 fate will be “resolved soon”
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM PST reply actions
Game of chicken here
Stern has to see the writing on the wall. He should take our deal, because at this point every alternative is worse.
by cassellmania on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
because...
Deep down they know they can still get Gordon from the incompetent Clippers.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Huh?
The Clippers have shown nothing but competence during this whole saga. The way they’ve handled this makes me proud to be a Clippers fan.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Pretty sure Takebb909 was being tongue-in-cheek.
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
I have to agree with 82 and cassellmania. I’m proud of the FO. They haven’t rolled over.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Not so sure about that...
With Stern now insisting that trade talks aren’t over with the Clippers, it appears they might be caving and accepting our final offer after all. I hope they realize that this is the best offer they’ll get, and if they reject it, they’ll only have an even bigger mess on their hands in regards to both CP3 and public relations.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
What was the final offer?
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
by Cliptomaniac on Dec 12, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu, and the Minny pick
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
It's not a moral victory...
it’s a legitimate sign that this franchise has completely changed the way they do things. Even Sterling has stopped doing and saying stupid stuff since the lockout. We’re quickly becoming a franchise that stars and veterans WANT to play for. That’s a good sign in today’s star-driven league.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
This Ziller article
makes me believe the Sterling stigma is still strong.
Have the Clippers ever traded for a superstar in their prime? What is this a departure from? When was the last time the Clippers traded major assets? The closest I can think of is trading for Brand.
It’s obviously a good sign that stars want to be here, but a skeptic would point out that’s because of Griffin which was thanks to some ping pong balls.
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Given how few super stars there are, how many franchises have traded for a super star in their prime? Not many, putting us in the same boat as most of the other NBA franchises doesn’t seem fair.
We did trade for Walton
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
True, we definitely lucked out by landing Griffin...
but the franchise has still changed their ways. And our team still wouldn’t have been attractive to stars without smart drafting in other years (Gordon, Jordan, Aminu, Bledsoe).
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
If we can just keep not acquiring free agents and trade targets, waiting for another time.
Surely, this will lead to a championship! How do moral victories convert to actual playoff victories? What is the rate?
Heh.
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
Aren't you the guy who wanted us to overpay for Miller and Outlaw last year?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Is adding one of our rookies out of the question in a Paul deal?
Just wondering. Or, what about making it our pick next year instead of the Minny pick if EJ is included?
We could probably add one of our rookies...
but it wouldn’t make the trade that much more attractive. They have yet to play a minute of NBA basketball, after all.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Stern needs to save face at some point, right?
I bet next step is to explore three-team scenarios involving Kaman and/or taking back a bad contract.
I can't see Stern being able to go on like this for much longer.
He’s screwing up his own league, big time. I still think he’s going to end up caving and agreeing to the offer that Olshey and Demps worked out.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
And they didn't really talk about the Clippers
And, Woody Paige said something to the effect of “Donald Sterling screwing up a trade? Big surprise.” Which is not even close to the truth.
Woody Paige is a moron.
Anyone who even casually follows basketball knows that David Stern screwed up the trade.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Anyone who follows anything...
Knows that Woody Paige doesn’t know anything. That guy needs to be beaten with a chain.
by DoubleClutchClipperFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
The real problem is that you were watching “Around the Horn”.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
LOL
As Clipper fans we have to occasionally remember that the outside world, the real world, believes that we’re all insane. They don’t understand us at all. What we do doesn’t make any rational sense to them. - citizen zhiv
you know things are going good when del taco employees are talking about the clips. - ImranQ
league officials also do not see talks with the Clippers as over
According to the league, deal not off completely
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions
Yeah they might ask for our fearless leader Steve Perrin as well.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good deal
Nice to see that the NBA considers themselves still at the table. And nicer, perhaps, that the Clips didn’t get scared or affected by strong arm tactics. “We want it all! This is Chris Paul! You’ve still got Griffin and Jordan and Butler… and, um… Mo Williams and Randy Foye!” Uh, no. Thanks but no thanks.
Kaman+AFA+Bledsoe+Minn pick helps you build a good team with young talent and a blank slate. NOH has the problem of a couple of bad contracts.
Clips are in a good position to make their own decisions. Either they have CP, or they have the young core and Kaman. Maybe the way to make it work is to figure out something to get Ariza off their books.
These Blake Griffin KIA
commercials are hilarious, a little off subject, but just saw one on TV and doesn’t seem like anything else is happening on the CP3 front
happy with neil
trade as asked for by stern wouldve been a disaster.
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Every team in the league just received notification that Clippers have registered winning waiver bid for Chauncey Billups
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions
if he reports
this is pretty awesome. He can play some 2 guard too.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
We’re pretty much saying, “screw you, Stern.”
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 12, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Chauncey’s a horrible fit. Dude’s a chucker.Maybe if they got him for cheap as a backup, that’s fine, but I’d much rather see him retire than in Clippers threads.
by DoubleClutchClipperFan on Dec 12, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I like it. Butler, Billups, Mo, Foye. Veterans to go with the kids. Don’t make the CP3 trade!!!!
by MySDClippers on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
oh shoot, just noticed you returned!
welcome back to the nation clipperchuck!
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
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