Clippers Signings - Analyzing the Deals - Chauncey Billups
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 5:25 PM PST
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PrintWell, it's been an interesting day. It's been an interesting few days for that matter, but today has been a nice resolution - at least to a couple of things.
The Los Angeles Clippers signed two players and walked away from a trade today. And while each of the decisions involves a fair amount of risk, you can't help but admire the bold determination of Neil Olshey and the Clippers' front office.
In case you missed it, the Clippers today:
- walked away from a potential trade for Chris Paul;
- claimed Chauncey Billups off of amnesty waivers;
- matched Golden State's offer sheet for free agent DeAndre Jordan.
Let's go over the Billups deal.
I love this maneuver. For those of you not familiar with the process, the NBA included a new provision in the amnesty clause this year. Players who are waived via amnesty, after clearing normal waivers (in which any team could claim them for their full salary), go into a second waiver process in which only teams under the salary cap can make a claim. The idea, and it was a good one, was to keep the amnesty process from fueling the "rich get richer" problem. Given that the NBA is making such a big deal out of competitive balance, the idea of an overpaid but still talented former All Star ending up signing with Miami or Los Angeles for the league minimum was understandably disquieting. The amnesty waiver process is a means of channeling the waived players with value to low payroll teams.
The amnesty waiver is a blind auction - teams under the cap submitted sealed bids for the player, with the highest bid winning the player's services. The Clippers apparently bid $2M for Billups - and the best part of the whole thing is that it's only for one season, and the Knicks will pay Billups the remainder of his $14.2M contract.
Billups let it be known at the time he was waived that he'd be none to happy to be claimed in the auction. After all, other than when they are first drafted, NBA players are used to having some say as to what teams they play for. For an a former NBA Final MVP like Billups, the idea of landing in Sacramento at this point in his career simply because they made the highest bid was understandably unappealing. Billups did his best to scare teams off, saying that he'd be disruptive if they claimed him against his will. The same strategy may have worked earlier in the week for Gilbert Arenas, who made it through amnesty waivers to become an unrestricted free agent - though it must be stated that a threat to be disruptive somehow has more teeth coming from Agent Zero than it does coming from Mr. Big Shot.
The Clippers were not cowed by Billups' posturing - and at the end of the day, Chauncey is a pro and he'll likely report to camp and do his job as a basketball player. If he doesn't, there's basically no risk to the Clippers anyway - the league has told Billups and his agent that if he fails to report he'll be in breach of his contract, so the guy is risking $14.2M. Might he be disgruntled? Sure, it's possible. But probably the Clippers were counting on the collection of talent they've assembled to persuade him that playing (and earning those millions) is better than not playing.
Billups immediately becomes the starter at point guard. Although he's now 35, he's remained a super-productive point guard, and has shown little drop off as he's gotten older. He's a great fit for the Clippers as an efficient scorer, and a terrific three pointer shooter (career .389) who can spread the floor. A three guard rotation of Billups, Eric Gordon and Mo Williams will keep three point threats on the floor at all times to spot up around Blake Griffin. He's also an NBA Champion who made it at least as far as the conference Finals seven consecutive seasons. The Clippers were very interested in adding Tayshaun Prince to their roster this summer for his playoff experience - now they've gotten the team leader from Prince's Pistons. That's a big win. Of course, it all depends on Billups attitude about the situation - especially since the Clippers are doing this in large part for Billups' leadership. They're counting on Billups' professionalism, plus the promise of a very talented roster, to bring out the best in him.
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KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN
they already have 5 guards on their team… only benefits the t-wolves pick though, unless stern decides to rig the nba draft
WTF is with Kahn's obsession with guards?
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
i retract my statement
7 guards on their roster right now including barea
As I said in my fanpost- you might disagree of course
I think Mo is better suited to play with our starters than Billups. I also thought Billups didnt look all that good at the end of last year, though he is still a huge upgrade over Bledsoe and Foye.
i really do like our roster at this point
screw CP3 – it’s become too much of a distraction. let’s win with what we got.
given the crammed 66-game schedule this year, I think our mostly young and deep lineup will fare well.
No, it's the Clip Show!
For the record...
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Just filed w/@Chris_Broussard: Sources close to talks tell ESPN there is renewed momentum to seal @CP3 trade to Clippers as soon as Tueday
Folks, there’s a chance that we could end up with both Paul AND Billups.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
WTF
Screw Chris Paul at this point. I think this should be the last move we make. With Billups, Butler, and DJ all coming, we are a playoff team for sure.
Dont want to sell whole barn for CP3.
I still want Chris Paul.
Who knows, perhaps the fact that we clearly demonstrated we weren’t the desperate parties by claiming Billups has shocked Stern and the Hornets into being reasonable now. Plus, they can’t afford to drag this CP3 drama out for much longer.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I don't think Billups is a long term solution
he’s here for this year. Still don’t give up EJ in a trade with NO even with Billups in fold. Best case, makes Mo (even more) expendable as well.
We should stand pat.
Minny pick can solve PG or SF of the future if Bledsoe or Aminu doesn’t.
by bdpjumbi on Dec 12, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see it happening
Unless the Clippers plan to play Billups or Mo at SG. i.e. trade EJ and Pick
Broussard
said on SC that hornets want to dump a contract in any trade. So now, clippers can keep Billups as backup, and resubmit swapping Mo Williams for Okafor. Okafor gives us instant depth down low
Maybe Mo is included in the deal this time
and we do take back Okafor?
that would be reasonable acceptable to me
okafor is definitely a defensive presence. I just don’t think you can sustain paying him for the next 3 years. I’d be looking to swap him at the deadline for an expiring, or at least by next summer. Or package DJ and Okafor for Dwight and Hedo, lol. But seriously, at least Okafor is decently productive, and as his contract gets shorter, he should be easier to move.
There's also this
John Hollinger: Just me wondering: Would think a Mo Williams-Trevor Ariza sidebar might get this deal to the finish line. 4 minutes ago
agreed
are their contracts similar? i don’t remember
both 3 years but okafor makes twice as much each year basically.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm
Fire Jasen Powell!
Okafor
Okafor is $12.5M, $13.5M, $14.5M over next 3 years. Not sure where you’re getting 10 from.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Okafor's contract is twice as much though
same amount of years though
Fire Jasen Powell!
Rather have Ariza
We can dump Gomes somewhere for a second rounder ir peanuts but a potential of a Butler/Ariza combo is dangerous with crazy amounts of experience going forward.They also can help fill the void somewhat better if it comes down to dealing EJ I would still look to get a young SG somewhere but they can be the patch until something is done.
by KillaClip on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is it possible for things to get over-interesting?
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
i said this this as well
Saving them some money by sending Mo might just be the sweetener that gets the deal done. I’d prefer taking back Ariza, and that still saves NO some money. Trying to not get my hopes up this time around, but hell I said I was in it for the ride last time around, so I’ll play along.
What's Ariza's contract?
I assume it’s for more $ total, but not per year.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Nevermind, I see it above
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I hope this happens
And then I believe we Amnesty Cook or Gomes. We need money at that point
You are dead on in my opinion
and don’t forget Foye can also play #2. Here we go again.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Exhausting
I’m at work and can’t keep my facts straight. Does Mo’s contract expire after this season?
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ETO or PO i forget
it can, but doubtful, no one else is going to pay him 8.5 mil next year.
I think he has one more PO if memory serves.
He had two, we made him exercise one for the trade.
This whole thing is totally killing my productivity!
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
So we may end up with CP3 anyway? That would be insane.
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
LOL you guys are making my work day more enjoyable
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Here's an annoying tweet
Ethan J. Skolnick: And, by my count, the Clippers now have four point guards… all while trying to trade for another. David Kahn…. drooling. about 12 minutes ago
yeah, we have 4
mo would be included in trade
billups is a stopgap backup
bledsoe is out with injury
warren is not nba-ready and would be in the dleague
t-wolves have 7 guards who are all as good as each other
Yep, annoying
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
David Kahn is not drooling...
since he already has SEVEN guards. LOL.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
not just point guards
but guards that can play and have played both guard spots
big difference.
I really dont like it if Mo gets sent while we keep Billups
Just not feeling all of this change in the locker room. I hope our deals end here.
If would agree
if it was a player that was involved more last year, but Mo wasnt here that long so I dont think we lose much in the chemistry department
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I really dont think he will
I just think he didnt wanna go to a really bad team, the Clippers are at least contenders, especially with him
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
If there is a deal for CP3
Im unsure of that PG rotation. Billups is old and injury prone, and Paul has the bad knees.
not sure he wants to play the back-up role, if CP3 comes he will be back-up.
But that would be the best 3 guard line-up EVER (with Gordon of course)!
Fire Jasen Powell!
Dang, that would be sick!
Is it just me or if things go right are we…………contenders?
It's a good point
but, the young ‘uns would be staying together. We didn’t even have Mo for a whole season.
Yes
But he got everyone together over the lockout, helped sign Butler, and was the first player in about 30 years that was excited to be traded here.
I completely agree
I love Mo and would rather not trade him, but he’s definately not a deal breaker, if he has to go to get CP3, you have to do it
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
definitely*
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
This is very true
Im just saying I would prefer to keep Mo over Billups, but I dont think we can trade Billups for a while now.
Ya I dont think we can trade Billups at all this year
and I dont really see the point in going hard after CP3 now that we have him, but a CP3-Billups-Gordon rotation would be killer
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Same
I thought getting Billups mean we were out of CP3 deal, not back into it. I hope Broussard is wrong. He is the only one reporting it.
Pincus and others are reporting it now too, sounds legit.
Fire Jasen Powell!
excited for coming here
..what don’t expect, he came from the cavs
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by KidJustin on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
So this has to be the best collection of talent in team history, right?
EJ, Billups, Mo, Bled, Caron, Aminu, Kaman, Blake, DJ <— that’s a LEGIT 9-man rotation
Foye, Gomes <— veteran depth/insurance, especially handy with condensed season
Minny Pick <— invaluable trade chip and/or chance to add another great piece down the line
STOKED!!!!!
We are all getting excited again and forgetting about the 900 lb gorilla
STERN! He covets young (EJ) and draft picks.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
As if the Clippers didn't have enough leverage already
There’s already C.Billups as the alternative.
agree completely
This feels like the league panicking because their best trade partner has no need at the position now. If they still want to trade, i say minny pick, kaman, bled and afa. And of course, that needs to come with a CP3 player option in tact.
by LA jaguars fan on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Flip Mo to the Lakers
for the trade exemption and some draft picks. Send the draft picks to NO. Done deal. Brown loves him some Mo.
That assumes
the lakers don’t think they need it for Howard
by LA jaguars fan on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
yea, they're just the first team that came to mind
maybe Kahn wants another PG. He can have Mo for Beasley. Another young asset to send to NO.
would be hilarious if the Lakers
helped the Clips land CP3. Realistically, they have their sights set on Dwight with any picks they have and the TE, but Mo would be a good fit on the Lakers.
Mo on the Lakers would be killer
Imagine last year if they had had PGs who could actually make 3 point shots and abuse Terry and Barea off the dribble.
LOL 900 LB GORILLA
"Put the icing on the cake ladies and gentlemen" - Ralph Lawler vs. The Grizzlies
by In GrIfFin We TrUsT on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
while i dont want to jump any guns and ive dismissed broussard before..
how badly would okafor shackle us in terms of locking down our stars?
that would be 22-25 million dollars for the C position for the next 3 years.
And neither are THAT good.
Fire Jasen Powell!
You have to PAY for size!!!!
haha
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
definitely would have to flip him
shouldn’t be too hard as his contract gets shorter.
I hear GSW is looking for a center!
Fire Jasen Powell!
we have bird rights
if we let kaman walk, and extend gordon/griffin max we are wayyy over, but legally
will DTS pay to win? he is right now :D
yeah, with their bird rights we can go over to keep them, right?
we’d just have to count on sterling to really break the bank
way way way over
like into the double- and triple- luxury range.
most likely we would trade/buy our okafor eventually(we pay him, but not 3x his deal to league)
That is a lot of money to waive
Maybe you mean amnesty? Then what would be the point of the side trade with Mo?
can you stretch traded players
I forget. Even with a stretch though Okafor would leave a pretty big cap hit.
Really??
I’ve asked the same question and heard otherwise
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
you can only amnesty a player that YOU signed during the last CBA
anybody we trade for we can’t amnesty
Fire Jasen Powell!
yea, can't amnesty guys
that weren’t on your roster at the end of the 10-11’ season.
Then I dont understand this trade
We would be taking on a ton of extra salary, and our trade would be for the best player at our strongest position?
I hope Broussard is wrong on this, or we dont make a deal.
it's essentially a way to get paul without giving up gordon
stern wants paul, clips wont give him up. in between is ok, keep gordon, but take this albatross contract from us and u can have him.
I dont understand why we would trade for CP3 when we have Mo and Billups
Yes, he is far better than both of them, but Olshey should be focusing on a backup big for Blake. Suppose that could be Okafor, but would be way overpriced.
Broussard is insisting EJ was included
Take it with a grain of salt, but it’s still out there
He's wrong and he knows it
His own company noted that the deal didn’t go through BECAUSE they wanted EJ
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
We can waive him, but he still hits the cap
And as far as amnesty, he wasn’t on our team before so we can’t do it, if i understand correctly
by LA jaguars fan on Dec 12, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
also
its been impossible for me to do anything productive with all these rumors
I hear ya
I have to stay late now to do what I should have been doing before noon
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Which one is really "Mr. Big Shot"?
“it must be stated that a threat to be disruptive somehow has more teeth coming from Agent Zero than it does coming from Mr. Big Shot.”
Yeah, ya think?
now they’ve gotten the team leader from Prince’s Pistons.
They were never Prince’s Pistons period
When the Pistons won they were always Big Ben’s Pistons. Never forget that. It is an extreme insult to Ben Wallace to say otherwise.
PLEASE stop being so literal
In context, this statement makes perfect sense. As the discussion was about the Clips’ pursuit of Prince partially due to his championship experience with the Pistons, “Prince’s Pistons” is a completely legitimate reference. If you’re arguing that Wallace was the floor leader and reason they won, well…. I can’t help you understand otherwise on that one…
I give big ben credit
4 time DPOY, but that team 04 team was so well rounded. They still made the ECF without big ben, and it all did seem to fall apart mostly when Billups left, but also paired closely with the loss of Flip Saunders. I forget the timing of everything, and definitely were hampered by some injuries, but I associate the collapse of the pistons mostly with the trade with Iverson, and signing of Gordon and Charlie V
Did you even read the rest of the sentence?
By “Prince’s Pistons” I CLEARLY meant “the Pistons team of which Prince was also a member.” The point I was making was that Billups was the leader of that team. You’re friggin’ obsessed with Tayshaun Prince, and frankly annoying.
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chauncey is Cassel Reincarnated
Leadership. Midrange jumper. Experience.
I smell playoffs.
Chauncey does not have a good midrange jumper? Does he?
Mo is known for his midrange shot, but I have never heard of it from Chauncey. He is a good 3 ball shooter, and strong around the hoop.
I always thought he had a great midrange.
Just from watching.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I hope this means a return of the testicle dance.
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
lets do this
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Re: revival of CP3 talks with Clips, which began earlier today, source says, “The league has no choice. They have nowhere else to go.”
I like how
everyone else realized this before the League did haha
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
And it took us going out and SIGNING another point guard...
for it to finally sink in for the league.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
hey stern what do u think of ryan gomes
let me show you his minnesota averages
See ya, Gomes!
HAHA! David Stern = Sucker of the Century.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
From what I understand
Billups can’t be traded this year since he was picked up from the amnesty waiver
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Can Billups simply be released to free up the spot?
It is only $2 million hit and that way Billups gets to go where he wants. If it gave us the leverage to get Paul for theprice we want, that is money well spent.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 12, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
If it’s just a leverage move and not an actual move, I’m pretty impressed with the poker face Neil put on.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It works either way for us...
If the trade happens, you got it at the price you wanted and you can let Chauncey go. If the trade does not happen, then you have your experienced starting PG for a fraction of the going rate and you still can pursue CP3 and a free agent.
We can’t lose.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Dec 12, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the Clippers...
just outsmarted the NBA. LOL! This short offseason has just been classic from beginning to end.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
if the clips somehow get this done
how can the media bash their management at all?
they’ve been doing so many good things so far this offseason
Butler-Yes
DJ-The market kind of dictated this, and the clippers wanted to keep him because of the relationship with Griffin
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
meh, its helped made this team more attractive to other, outside players, im ok with these signings considering the alternatives
Newbie
by gdl on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
sadly, in today’s NBA, teams overpay for size, it’s a rare commodity
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
not just because hes friends with Blake
hes a legit big…sure he’s got a long ways to go but his progress, although, slight at times is an encouraging sign he could end up being a big factor now and in future seasons.
by JJClipperfan on Dec 12, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
He is a legit big, and part of the payday is also paying for potential, but I still think we overpayed for DJ by a couple million
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
and I love DJ, one of my 3 favorites on the team btw
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
You ALWAYS overpay for big men in the NBA, hence DJ's big payday.
As for Butler, maybe we overpaid a little bit, but we were desperate to fill a gaping hole in our roster.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
by 82-0 on Dec 12, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
please god no..
I’m content with Mo/Billups/Bledsoe
No, it's the Clip Show!
what do you mean no?
Its Chris freakin Paul!
by JJClipperfan on Dec 12, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
+1
this kid is top 5 player
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
more like top 10... maybe top 15
No, it's the Clip Show!
tired of the drama
and I get this feeling EJ will somehow be included in the deal (crossing my fingers). if we can do without EJ, then I would be ok.
No, it's the Clip Show!
I love EJ
However, sometimes I think we are looking at things through rose colored goggles…Chris Paul is an MVP caliber player…something Eric Gordon is NOT and probably never will be…
by JJClipperfan on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
that maybe true
but I feel that offer w/o EJ is more than enough to get the deal done. why are we bidding against ourselves? CP3 isn’t going anywhere except for the Clips.
No, it's the Clip Show!
That's what i'm saying
which is why I really dont think EJ would be in the deal, the Hornets have no where else to go, the deal without EJ is fair enough in these circumstances. This is why I think the NBA is trying to reopen talks
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
hey Pujols 5!
angels fan!
No, it's the Clip Show!
I don't think Ej will be in the deal
That seemed to be a sticking point for the Clippers and they have even more leverage than they did before, I believe if this happens, EJ wont be involved.
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
If this is the case
I will be very pleased
by JJClipperfan on Dec 12, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
If this happens without EJ
DTS just stole another apartment building from Stern!
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Ok so lets say the clippers get the deal they want for CP3
so they give up: Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu, Mini draft pick and of course we get CP3, if this is the case we are going to have the following guards (1 and 2): CP3, Billups, Mo, EJ, Foye, Warren, and Leslie. That is over half our roster depth covering only two of our positions. So obviously we are going to have to cut someone. I think we should get rid of both Foye and Warren which would give us the following depth chart:
PG:CP3, Billups, Mo
SG:EJ,Leslie
SF:Butler, Gomes
PF:Griffin,Thompkins
C:DJ,unsigned FA
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
We'll probably have to take on Okafor as well...
so that fills the backup center role.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
That would give us 13 which would leave one space open for an emergency signing
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
And i think we could give them Mo
to make the salaries work, plus i doubt Mo would pick up his option in NOH so theyd get another expiring contract.
I saw elsewhere someone suggested sending Mo to the lakers for their trade exception and maybe a draft pick. And sending that along with our original package to sweeten it up.
Puts CP3 / Billups / Gordon as our backcourt rotation.
we do not trade with the lakers, deal with them, talk to them, help them, we do nothing with them except beat them.
Fire Jasen Powell!
Apparently we give them our junk players…
Steve Blake, josh Powell, Lamar odom, who else?
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by KidJustin on Dec 12, 2011 8:18 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
maybe baron davis???
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
by ClipperBEAST on Dec 12, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking Kaman, Bled, AFA, Mo, Foye and the Minni pick for CP3 and Okafor
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But I really don’t thing Donald will go for Okafor. Maybe we’ll can somehow swing Ariza instead.
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Why not?
Okafor would be insurance for the center he just signed to a big, fat contract.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I wouldnt mind Okafor for a year
but I would definitely want to look into moving that contract after the year
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 12, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
True
We’re in line to pay Kaman the same amount. I suppose he wouldn’t be the hardest guy to trade, but he’s not the easiest either.
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Why? $$$
If he does, then our owner really has turned over a new leaf.
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EJ is probably not going to be in the deal.
Now, if they try to start that crap up, we can simply say, “Okay, we have Billups anyway”. The NBA knows this, and they know that they need to move CP3 quickly to end the current PR disaster.
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"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I know it sucks since he just gave a speech on how jazzed he is to be here
But would amnestying Mo Williams be an option, in order to comfortably take on Okafor and still have room for the EJ re-signing?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This was the stupidest thing I've ever said.
Duh Erik, Mo is included in the trade, you asshole.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ever?
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LOL
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I'd like to keep Mo, I think he could help off the bench and serve as a backup 2
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Caron can also play backup 2.
RIght now our guards are
Billups, Mo, EJ, Foye, Warren, Bledsoe and Caron (yes I know he’s our 3, but he plays the 2 as well).
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Question........
Would you rather 1-2 years of CP3 or 4-5 years of EJ?
I’d rather EJ as he will only get better and we’d lose CP3 for nothing.
This is what Jax keeps saying
And if it’s true, then the Clips need to work with Paul to come up with a good offer. I don’t know if that’s legal, but we need to make an offer that NOH is ok with, and that Paul is ok with long-term.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If CP3 commits long term then I don't have a problem.
It’s the short term rental that concerns me
CP3
EJ is going to get a Rudy Gay like deal soon for starters. He’s a bargain now but is he a max (near max) player?
CP3 would almost certainly resign unless the Clips implode during those 1-2 years.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 12, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
From the guy who told us it was an Olshey fail not to overpay $10 m / year for Mike friggin Miller
I think I’ll trust Olshey, thanks.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
It's still hard for me to believe that we got Chauncey for 2 mil.
3 questions:
Chauncey is a Clipper for sure? Is the bidding for Chauncey over?
&
By blind auction, it means that we don’t know what the other teams offered for him?
I’d say, Neil is impressing me lately
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
yes Chauncey is ours for the season and he can't play for any other teams because we can't trade him.
Also it’s just a 1 year contract because he only had 1 year left on his last contract. That being said we get his bird rights too (i read).
Fire Jasen Powell!
are we allowed to waive him?
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by KidJustin on Dec 12, 2011 8:19 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
if we wanted to pay for it then yes.
Fire Jasen Powell!
I honestly think they just threw out a bid that was affordable and not risky
and were shocked when they won.
“Wait, we won? For $2mil? Uhh.. someone call Chauncey, I guess.”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Our FO is really working their ass off
and Chauncey should be happy we claimed him. There were other bids and I’m guessing he could have been claimed by a much less attractive team.
Funny to read the cries of conspiracy
So what is it? Did we win the arbitration bid to further the CP3 trade or to thumb our nose at the NBA lead hornets and their demands.
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