How is that Hornets Roster Shaping Up?
by Steve Perrin on Dec 12, 2011 6:56 PM PST
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PrintThe Hornets play their first pre-season game against the Memphis Grizzlies on Dec. 16th. In case you don't have a calendar in front of you, that's this Friday, four days from now.
As of today, their training camp roster looks like this:
| No. | Player | Pos. | Ht. | Wt. | DOB | Prior to NBA/Home Country | Yrs |
| 1 | Trevor Ariza | G-F | 6-8 | 210 | 6/30/85 | UCLA/USA | 7 |
| 32 | Brian Butch | C | 6-11 | 240 | 12/22/84 | Wisconsin/USA | R |
| 5 | Justin Dentmon | G | 5-11 | 185 | 9/5/85 | Washington/USA | R |
| 10 | Jerome Dyson | G | 6-3 | 180 | 5/1/87 | Connecticut/USA | R |
| 31 | Moses Ehambe | F | 6-6 | 215 | 5/22/86 | Oral Roberts/USA | R |
| 22 | Patrick Ewing Jr. | F | 6-8 | 240 | 5/20/84 | Georgetown/USA | 1 |
| 2 | Jarrett Jack | G | 6-3 | 197 | 10/28/83 | Georgia Tech/USA | 6 |
| 0 | Carldell Johnson | G | 5-10 | 180 | 1/28/83 | Alabama-Birmingham/USA | R |
| 12 | Trey Johnson | G | 6-5 | 215 | 8/30/84 | Jackson State/USA | 2 |
| 50 | Emeka Okafor | F-C | 6-10 | 255 | 9/28/82 | Connecticut/USA | 7 |
| 3 | Chris Paul | G | 6-0 | 175 | 5/6/85 | Wake Forest/USA | 6 |
| 20 | Quincy Pondexter | F | 6-6 | 225 | 3/10/88 | Washington/USA | 1 |
| 35 | DaJuan Summers | F | 6-8 | 240 | 1/24/88 | Georgetown/USA | 2 |
| 42 | Lance Thomas | F | 6-8 | 225 | 4/24/88 | Duke/USA | R |
| 21 | Terrico White | G | 6-5 | 213 | 3/7/90 | Mississippi/USA | R |
Nine of those players were camp invitees. Of the remaining six, one is Patrick Ewing Jr. with 19 minutes of NBA experience and an unguaranteed contract. Another is Quincy Pondexter, who averaged 2.8 points per game as a rookie last year.
With less than two weeks before the start of the season, the Hornets have nothing resembling an NBA roster, and couldn't beat a D-League team without Chris Paul, who they're trying to trade.
What a mess.
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yikes
even with Paul, that’s one of the ugliest rosters in the assoc. gotta feel for Hornets fans no matter the outcome.
the reason it's so ugly
Is because Demps doesn’t know who NOLA will get for CP3. You’d hate to go out and sign Nick Young and then get Eric Gordon or a good 2 guard in a trade for CP3. The Hornets have been talking to LOTS of free agents.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah we know
but a lot of interesting players have signed elsewhere. Demps counted on moving CP3 quickly and assembling a team afterwards. But Stern has made that nearly impossible. And which FA will be interested in NO when the team is in such a state of limbo.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 13, 2011 4:36 AM PST up reply actions
wow...everything points to the fact that Olshey should not budge on EJ
Nola should be happy to get Kaman, AFA, Bledsoe, and the pick.
Jack, Bledsoe
???
Ariza, AFA
Pondexter, ewing Jr
Kaman, Okafor.
and there will probably be less of those orig members by that time (read: Okafor and/or ariza)
Well if their goal is to tank this season
They’ll definitely get those balls for the lottery…
What the...
LOL, unless you’re being serious.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Minimum payroll
At some point they have to worry about the minimum payroll – but if they keep Paul it shouldn’t be a problem, since Paul, Okafor, Ariza and Jack make over $40M between them. Then min will be around $46.4M this year IIRC.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Oy
That lineup is scrubtastic. Broussard mentioned the possibility of contraction…not sure NO would be sad if that’s your team.
Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild.
I mean, honestly, looking at that roster, how could anyone claim that adding Lamar Odom and Luis Scola to that team would make them competitive? The Lakers trade was not good at all.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
LOL
Dragic and Martin in the backcourt with a frontline of Ariza Scola and Okafor with Jack and LO off the bench is a good team. Probably make the playoffs and could upset a team or two in there. Clippers offer without EJ isn’t as good considering all the players they got coulda been flipped for picks to teams desperate for high efficiency 2 guards and stretch fours.
Expensive older players with not great deals
Roster would have been okay and yes, possibly low end of the playoffs—or just falling short, the no man’s land of weak picks and limited success. With Okafor and Ariza contracts, taking on Odom and Scola and Martin would leave NOH trying to find an owner, but with little or no flexibility.
Expiring deal (Kaman) plus young players plus potential high pick seems like a much better scenario.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 12, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
As one fan to another, I feel sorry for the loyal Hornets fans.
Especially the 10,000 season ticket holders who paid their hard earned money in good faith to be entertained. Now that that is out of the way, let’s finally get it done w/o EJ.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
That picture at the top says it all...
Sucks to be Chris Paul.
by ap3604 on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM PST reply actions
Okay
So does it look better with Kaman, AFA and Bledsoe, and a good pick in next year’s draft, to go with their own? I suppose that was SP’s point.
Really doesnt look all that much better lol
When you look at that roster, it makes a lot more sense why they want Minny Pick and EJ.
I dont think the deal goes through.
It's nice to want things.
Unfortunately for Stern and the Hornets, they have to trade CP3, we’re their only option, and we hold all the cards.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
they need to get a third team involved
that way they can get more draft picks and unload Okafor and Ariza. This is complete rebuilding project.
No, it's the Clip Show!
Yeah, it looks better than CP3 leaving, and them only having their own draft pick, in next year's draft.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 12, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
That lineup is sick
Terrico White and DaJuan Summers were on the Pistons last year and got almost 100 minutes combined I think.
Dont dump on my boy Trey Johnson either. The dude is a beast.
THIS GUY, Trey Johnson?
i thought Gruden was busy calling the MNF game
reverse mojo?
This team as is will be the shortened season champions
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by KidJustin on Dec 12, 2011 8:25 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
If they made a midseason trade for Tim Tebow.... anything is possible
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
they made the playoffs last year
either david west is that good or they had lots of help.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 8:28 PM PST reply actions
Carl Landry, Willie Green, Marco Bellinelli, Marcus Thornton to start the year
Aaron Gray, DJ Mbenga, Jason Smith
yea that's a horrible team
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 12, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
David West is that good?
Um, no. It’s really the thing that you don’t want to hear: Chris Paul is that good.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
QFT
The Hornets record with Paul is pretty good, they are awful (like bottom 5 team in the league) without him. Okafor, Ariza and West are solid players (Thornton was solid when he was there, Landry was very solid for them the 2nd half of the year) but that team without Chris Paul is even worse than the Wolves.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 13, 2011 4:30 AM PST up reply actions
If the Paul trade goes through I'm going to root for the Hornets
I hope they’d be able to flip Kaman for some good pieces. I hope Bledsoe and Aminu become good players and they get a couple of quality draft picks. Still gotta have an underdog to cheer for somewhere.
Been there, done that. Time for the payoff
by Michael White on Dec 12, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely agreed
But maybe one day we can say " The Hornets has a nice young team, maybe if they put it all together they can be like the Clippers"
Root for them to suck.
The harder they suck the better the pick they’ll have next year.
yes
The formula is to wish for them suck yet look for promise and hope. It’s the formula that brought so much value to Donald Sterling’s organization.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
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by Takebb909 on Dec 12, 2011 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm trying to gauge opinion here.
Would you trade Eric Gordon, Deandre, Aminu, Kaman and the Minny Pick for CP3, Ariza and Okafor? I don’t think many of you will, but I wouldn’t undervalue CP3. As fans I think we tend to overvalue our own team’s players and undervalue other team’s. I’m wondering what you’re thoughts are. Oh, and this is if CP says he’ll sign an extension.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
id say no
its close, but giving up both of our big men isnt excatly smart.
I honestly think Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, and the minny pick for CP3 (and maybe a filler if need be) is where we should draw the line. Im happy with our team and would not go absolutely crazy to make this trade work as currently constructed.
If there is a team that can beat that offer, fine. But i dont even think there is another team at the present.
you know, the Clips still aren't that good
I hope I don’t offend, but I think you guys overpaid on Caron Butler, and Billups is on his last legs. Besides Blake Griffin (who I love) and Gordon, there really isn’t too much to be excited about. (Randy Foye for the winnnnnn) You have no idea how big of a difference-maker Chris Paul is. He brought a team that started Marco Belinelli (!) to the playoffs last year–in an off year. Maybe I’m just overestimating him. Here’s a question. How much would you trade for Dwyane Wade?
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, you're right
Everyone here is overvaluing Clippers players like crazy. We were a 32-win team last year. You guys made the playoffs with Paul, West, and not a whole lot else. CP3 + Blake would make us an instant playoff team, probably a 4 or 5 seed. That’s a huge jump. And we ain’t gonna be better than a 7 or 8 seed with the team we have now.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
thanks.
I just feel like the Hornets should get back Gordon at least. Were trading away the best point guard in the NBA, a top 5 player. Maybe it’s a different situation, but I feel like the Hornets should get more than the Nuggets got for an inferior player in Melo last year. Kaman/Aminu/Bledsoe for CP3 Isn’t a conplete rip-off. People are acting like Kaman is a top 15 player, and Aminu and Bledsoe will challenge for the top 5 at their respective positions in two years. Those two have a ceiling of 6th man, IMO. I see a lot of Julian Wright in Aminu, i.e. Athletic, great size, not disciplined. What I’m saying is, that the Hornets should get more than Kaman, Aminu and Bledsoe, and even a Minny 1st rounder for THE POINT GOD.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:09 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The thing is
Your not exactly trading away. Its almost a given that Paul is leaving and you guys don’t want to be left with nothing but cap space with nobody here to attract free agents. Regardless of what becomes of this season, you probably lose Chris Paul by next year anyway, why not get some young talent and “tank” this season and you get probably 2 high draft picks next year when theres so many good players likely to declare.
young talent being?
Al-Faroug Aminu? Eric Bledsoe? A draft pick that isn’t guaranteed to be at the top of the draft. The t-wolves could actually be tough this year, and even if they stink, theres still a lottery, so If they have the worse record, they could still end up with the number 4 pick. Still good, but not the same level as the #1.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:33 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The pick has a lot of value
Minny will likely be in the bottom 5, and it’s the deepest draft in years. Kaman expiring is valuable too, and could definitely be flipped for some picks/young pieces at the deadline to a team gearing up to make a run at the 2012 FA class. I feel ya — it’s not the haul you’d want for a franchise player — but it’s a pretty decent amount of return for this unwinnable situation.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
You should, but that doesn't mean you will
Paul’s value is certainly greater than Kaman/Aminu/Bledsoe/Minny pick. But you’ve got no leverage whatsoever. If we HAVE TO throw Gordon into the deal to get it done, I’d do it without thinking twice. But the thing is, thanks to the way Stern bungled this thing, I don’t think we really have to.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
its just an awful situation.
The FO can’t sign free agents because they don’t know who they’ll get for Paul. The fans won’t want to come to games because they won’t want to give up cash to watch the team get demolished. I think if Gordon would come back in the trade, there’dbe a lot more fan support, because Gordon seems like a down to earth, nice guy, and hes also a good player. I’m scared I’ll log onto the computer one day and see that Dell Demps has resigned, and I’m not joking.
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 12, 2011 11:30 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Demps is definitely gone
No way he stays after the way he got neutered. I’m betting the “one day” you’re referring to is tomorrow.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
/throws up in mouth
"I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man" ~Jay-Z
CP3 is coming. Quick, hide your Howards!
"Sleeping on me probably in the coffin" - Tyga
Shoutout RALLY SQUIRREL!!!!!!!!!!
by OnPointLikeCP3 on Dec 13, 2011 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Is Paul worth a lot?
Definitely!
But the thing is that NO hasn’t got much leverage. Paul is leaving anyway and not many teams are willing to give a bigger return for him, just for one season. And if the Clips gut their whole roster to get Paul, he might not want to resign anyway.
And it’s not like it is Paul or bust for us. We will be decent, no matter what and we will improve, considering Griffin and Gordon are still young players.
The Lakers where willing to give up a lot because they are desperate to make the last few season of Kobe count and because they have a shot at resigning him and perhaps be in the DH sweep stakes.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 13, 2011 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
We cant trade Deandre- not until next March I believe
If we could, I would probably take that deal IF CP3 signed a full on extension. Not just one or two years, but for three or four then hell yes.
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