Your Now Nightly CP3 Trade Discussion Thread
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 8:30 PM PST
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The story being pushed by Marc Stein and Chris Broussard at ESPN now is that the Lakers are back in the discussion. I fail to see how the Lakers could possibly make an offer of interest at this point; they offered Pau and Odom before, but Odom is now gone, and they're not going to include Bynum or Kobe. And there is literally nothing else on their roster of interest. They do have two first round picks next year (their own and Dallas' in the Odom trade) but very late first round picks (as the Lakers pick and the Dallas pick are likely to be) have little to know value - teams sell their late first rounders for a couple million dollars all the time. That's just not going to fix the Hornets. I'm baffled by this subplot, as I have been by several subplots throughout this saga. As John Hollinger suggests, this may just be an attempt to bluff the Clippers into thinking the Lakers are making an offer of interest. Unfortunately for the league, it turns out the Clippers front office is not stupid. They can look at the Lakers roster as easily as I can and see that there's no way they can come up with a competitive offer. I have to say: I have really despised Stein/Broussard's coverage of this whole thing. They've pushed what seem to be bogus details throughout the ordeal.
Broderick Turner of the LA Times agrees with them on at least one point: the two sides are talking tonight. I'm not sure what there is to talk about. The league should be pretty well aware of what's acceptable to the Clippers at this point, right?
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Aminu/Kaman/Bledsoe/Pick/Williams for CP3/Ariza sounds fair.
That sounds like the ideal trade right now. Yes, we are giving up a good amount of players and a possible star, but quality is what matters. Also, POSSIBLE is the key word about the Minnesota pick. It could be a bust, it could be a decent player, it could be a star. Also, Minnesota’s pick may be #1, top 5 or top 10. There are just too many factors and I believe that we should push for that deal. With Aminu, Ariza MORE than makes up for that loss. Bledsoe and Williams for CP3 is great, because we don’t need THREE point guards, especially when Bledsoe may be the only one who is happy. Finally, we lose Kaman… Well, I would prefer they got rid of him one way or another, so this is fine by me. All in all, I think the Clippers WIN in this deal. Why? Aminu for Ariza? We win. Williams and Bledsoe for CP3? We win. Kaman leaving? Yet again, we win. and finally, we lose the pick… That’s really all we can say. And I feel that is a fair trade for BOTH organizations. So please, Stern’s stop being a bully and just trade. You are only making yourself look worse.
The Clippers are trying to make the offer better for the Hornets without giving up EJ
Every little bit helps I suppose. Mo is signed for longer and a better trade option in the near future
But the Hornets problem is not salary
At least not in opinion of the fans. Over there, they were protesting loudly at Mo for Okafor- starting C for a backup PG. Truthfully, I cant blame them.
The deal works better without Mo probably.
I think they save like $23mil with Okafor for Mo
and only like $6mil with Ariza for Mo
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
they have like 3 people on their roster beside CP3, they need to reach the league minimum
i don’t want to touch Ariza’s contract when we have a Butler and DJ’s bloated one’s (which i’m happy about btw).
Fire Jasen Powell!
Yea i wasn't considering the minimum when I posted that
Hoopshype has them with only $42mil at this moment, which isn’t enough. Would they have to take on extra salary? Mo for Ariza gives them extra salary this year, but saves them in the long term.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Exactly
The Hornets would like to push one of their big contracts to the us. Ariza and Okafor are their only remaining large contracts (either than CP3 of course). Okafor seems like he costs a bit too much for Clippers, but Ariza is just a little bit behind Mo’s salary. However, Williams has a shorter contract so Hornets end up saving money. Consider this, if they amnestied Okafor and let Kaman walk, they will have a CRAZY amount of cap space and a young nucleus, not to mention whoever they get in the draft. They would need Wiliams that extra year just so they hit the league minimum for salary. IMO, that’s their best move. They have a young team and they have a lot of salary cap for possible FA stars. Seems like something a prospective owner may want to buy.
I agree
I think if we insisted on Ariza, they’d be ok with that since they can amnesty Okafor.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I don't know
At this point the other owners would be paying for that salary and new contracts. If they amnesty Okafor they are so far under the cap that they won’t make the minimum. They would be forced to sign a number of contracts with the express purpose of going back over that floor. Based on the talent that is left to choose from for a team like NOH this seems like a bad idea.
Good point...
This is a weird situation. There are so many different motives (Chris Paul’s wants, selling the team, meeting minimum requirements, etc.).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Isn't Williams enough?
I didn’t really look into it, but wouldn’t Williams on the team make up enough to hit the minimum salary even without Okafor?
No
At least I doubt it. They have almost no money on the books right now, and they need 80% of 57 million I believe.
And Gomes, and Cook
But why the hell would they want them?
I think Olshey’s offer is still: AFA, Bled, Kaman, Minny Pick, for CP3.
Another thought; if Eric is included, Billups could start at the 2 for us. He isnt that much smaller than EJ, and he has played off the ball before.
lol I was kidding :P
And you take that back right now about Cookie.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Cook is awesome
Actually we probably cant even trade him. Need him as a backup for Blake and Trey lol.
That's not the point
Yes, they have some salary space, but the point is that they need to sell their team too. Hornets are thinking about the future, big contracts like that aren’t in the future. If they want to sell the team, I think having a lot of money and a young core is extremely attractive to a buyer. The point is, the salary doesn’t matter as of now, but how they are spending it still does.
They need to be at the minimum level
Okafor’s contract is hideous, but he is also a starting center in the NBA, and they dont grow on trees.
They would be more willing to part with Ariza, but his contract is also much more manageable, so why……….?
Yes, but
Ariza gives some flexibility to the line up. If you have him as a back up 3, that allows Butler to be a 2 at times. I know he hasn’t played great, but I think he still has it in him to turn on the jets and play well. With Ariza and Billups coming off the bench, you can play around with your lineup even more!
I agree he makes some sense for the Clippers
If he plays like he did for the Lakers. I’m just trying to give reasons why the Hornets would want to get rid of him besides his salary. I’m guessing their impression of him is not very good based on the way he played last year.
Isn't he a spot up shooter?
My mind is fuzzy at this point but if he is a spot up shooter and has no one to give him easy assists his usefulness would be at an end no?
No
He is a mediocre slasher, and an awful shooter who thinks he is great. He is a very solid defender though.
+1
He likes to attack but he isn’t very strong, nor can he control the ball or go up with it very well. He used to be a decent shooter, but for some reason, he lost that with the Hornets (for some reason Artest and Ariza were offensive BEASTS on the Rockets, but they left and fell to mediocrity). I think he can gain some of these skills back, but his defense is what looks good. And I firmly believe that defense on the second team is what allows you to win. With Billups and Ariza, they make a pretty freaking strong defense on the 2nd team, only issue with that is they need a solid defensive big man and they are set.
"I have really despised Stein/Broussard's coverage of this whole thing. They've pushed what seem to be bogus details throughout the ordeal."
Regardless of what happens, there is no current statement that rings more true than this.
by clipperbran on Dec 13, 2011 8:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Broussard is a hypocrite and not credible
Why? Broussard kept preaching about how Gordon was suppose to be on the down low because we didn’t want another Odom issue. Well, Gordon was NEVER in talks until HE BROUGHT HIM UP! Then he covers his butt saying that Gordon wasn’t part of the deal, and when more credible sources came out and said he was, he says that “Sources insisted he was part of the deal”. He is not credible and I believe he just needs to stop spreading his speculation and claiming false sources.
It's obnoxious when he is spreading a rumor that could potentially hurt our team chemistry
And he clearly doesn’t even have a solid source. What a douche. I’m glad EJ didn’t take it to heart (if media day was any indication).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Be nice citizens
We like newbies around here. Remember, things are moving fast. Not everyone is on clips nation 24/7 (though they should be of course).
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by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Just came on to see,,,
If anyone railed on me for my post and I was not disappointed. :) I was in OC all day yesterday and away from the news BUT I deserved it wholeheartedly and have to say classic very funny responses. Thanks!
I think you are correct
DJ just picked him up at the airport in his new Rolls Royce.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
What no Kia
Blake didn’t force jd to buy a kia
by itcouldbeworse on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Also, did you hear
that Alvin Gentry is no longer the Clips coach? Also, in case you didn’t know, Brand dissed us and went to Philly.
but how are we going to make the playoffs
with Bill Walton hurt again?
I can't wait for...
those 3:00 minutes left in the game situations where our starting five are slowly and fiercely walking away from the timeout on to the court and those five are Chauncey Billups, Eric Gordon, Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, and Deandre Jordan.
Gives me chills.
over the whole CP3 fiasco
I say we go into the season as is. We are primed for the present and future. Neil has put together a good group of guys. Being a Clipper fan, I know injuries are a big part of the team. Makes no sense to run 5 guys everygame, overexerting them when we can run the current group and keep everyone well rested
I love the idea of a Center battle...
We have two centers who will be battling this season for minutes, this bodes well for us. The first is out for a new contract and the second needs to prove to all the naysayers show his bff that he is worth that type of money. With a sixth man in Mo, I think our lineup is very good.
Honestly
If C.Kaman doesn’t get many minutes this season, he’s still get his nice large contract from another team. You can’t buy size, and he’s definitely got that, and a decently developed offensive game. All that really would matter is showing a hint of being healthy.
He will be in when DJ fouls out
Probably a good idea to keep around for the fourth quarter.
Hah.
Chris always had a decent free throw percentage; that was one nice thing about him.
hes lliterally an all star talent until he dribbles more than twice.
Even on defense, his man converage trumps DJs.
It is a contract year
We all know if a player isn’t injured there is no better year for him
Yep.
I honestly wouldn’t mind holding onto him (and the pick).
Then the team could evaluate at the end of the season whether to use the Minnesota pick on a center or a point guard.
don't really get why everyone is trying to shoo him out the door
barring injury, i guarantee you there will be several games where he gets more minutes and proves to me more of an impact than DJ when he’s hitting that jumper. plus he didn’t look that bad at the 4 when giving Blake a breather. if the team is thinking about making a serious playoff run, he’s a good guy to have around.
sure, move him if it really improves the team, but don’t just give him away cuz his contract is up at the end of the year.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, he's a great piece of talent and we could definitely use him
But you have to get something for his contract, otherwise he walks for nothing.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
he would be killer on the 2nd unit
he’s a good scoring punch from the bench. Personally i like him better than DJ, but he is better suited to play with the 2nd unit since our first unit has so many scorers and DJ isn’t one. Plus Kaman wanted to re-sign with us back in the day and he’s been with us the longest. He deserves some more clipper fans respect to be honest.
Fire Jasen Powell!
More likely scenario would be
There’s an epic bidding for his services cause the market always lacks his talents. The Clippers hold onto him this year, enjoy his contract-year production. Then do a sign-and-trade that allows C.Kaman to get the max amount of money possible, while still potentially grabbing something useful next off-season.
Sounds like a bi-winning to me.
The only logical reason why the Lakers are involved
Is to leverage against Orlando. The Lakers would tell them “we just want to add another superstar next to Kobe, whoever says yes first wins”. I don’t think it’ll work….but I see no other possible reason why.
Stern is trying to play the Clips with the Lakers while the Lakers are trying to play the Magic with Paul
It’s like a soap opera. Good thing with have the GM/Actor for the job
Yep,
Seems like it’s mutually beneficial for the Lakers and the NBA.
Who knows, if Orlando and the Clippers don’t play ball I guess the Lakers can try to become better friends with the NBA…
Does that mean we are playing with ourselves?
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
LOL
and you, sir, are your own grandfather
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
The 3rd team in the Lakers-Hornets team will the T'Wolves
I know I keep saying it on every thread but I can’t get it of my head. It just seems so obvious and scares the crap out of me at the same time
by Beasel on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
As long as it is for Howard
While we get Paul.
No way. We shouldn’t take anything Stern has to offer. Dealing with Stern is like dealing with the devil himself. He’s shown your true colors. This is what Fisher and the union had to go through…
no david stern I won't pull your finger
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
A good Part of me...
still thinks that CP3 will be a Clipper before Christmas, and as long as that doesn’t involve getting rid of EJ, I’m all for it.
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
Speaking of Chas
Did you see he is a spokesperson for Weight Watchers now and has already lost 27 pounds?
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Yep
The Round Mound of Rebound went back to his awful stroke tho last I saw
by LA jaguars fan on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
No place as comfortable to be a quarterback
Than the armchair
Im pretty sure Olshey said in practice today that this is the final group of guys and they arent pushing for any trades
I dont think we do anything else this offseason except for waiving Willie possibly.
you're pretty sure?
can you show me some evidence…
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
I saw it on Clippers topbuzz
Might have also been on Clippers.com under Media Day highlights.
Not pretty sure- Im positive he said that.
I saw it too
But he also said he’d keep his ears open for offers from the NBA, and so it looks like that’s happening now.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I have been waiving Willie for years
by wilriv21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
been waiving willie
since 1987
by shap on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Not really
Yes, he is very confident in this line up. But he also admitted that every team would be good better with CP3. Although he isn’t “pushing” for trades, he is still open to the idea.
I am still nervous about CP3
That 2 year deal business and his bad knees are not what I want to see when I sell the farm for a player, no matter how good.
I just dont see why they take the deal without EJ. As good as this draft is, there are plenty of guys who will not pan out. Example number one: Harrison Barnes has the potential to be great, but right now lacks the fire and confidence to be a superstar. Somebody might take a flyer on him, and then he just ends up being a slightly better Jeff Green. What then?
Not quite
He has a knee injury I believe. So of course he failed his physical, but it wasnt for Baron reasons.
What's up with Baron, btw?
Herniated disc? Serious?
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Well sure
He said that. But it doesn’t really mean anything. You think if the Hornets call back and say “OK, we’ll take your offer for Paul” Neil’s gonna say no? This is the group they’re going into the season with – unless they can get better. The team is in a great position, let’s face it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Where is that guy
who said he had us covered on the porn sites last night while we blogged on Clips Nation.
We may need him again tonight.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
He's the guy above you..
who’s waving his Willie
This whole saga with CP3 reminds me of my ex gf
-Im tired of thinking of her getting back with me already.
-I’m tired of hearing the Clips might get him already but to no avail.
-I know I’m still young and have a bright future ahead of me and don’t need her in my life.
-I know the Clips have a great young and up and coming team that promises to have a great future, and we dont need CP3.
-I know she wants to be with me, but there are too many complications in the way.
-I know CP3 wants to be with the Clips, but David Stern is in the way.
-In the end, it might just be wiser to just let her go and move on already.
-In the end, it might be wiser to just end negotiations and go with the team in place.
Newbie
she's doing the knicks behind our back!
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 13, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Then your ex-girlfriend
Is one of the hottest girls EVER to exist. One-in-a-generation.
Lucky bastard :P
did i just...?
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BQ3MmMrqE
"I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock
over the stove." - Charles Barkley
my fav dunk of last year.
which says ALOT.
The sound of that ball being dunked is sexy as shit. Whoever mic’d that rim needs a raise.
I just like watching how James Anderson sprints away after
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Richard Hamilton has been offered a two-year, $10 million deal to sign with the Chicago Bulls when he clears waivers, as expected, Wednesday morning.
We make that offer...
Only a few more Pistons left to go!
Seems like a good pick up
Why didn’t Kahn put in a bid?
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
Rip is too tall
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Whew
For a moment there, I was wondering which TWolve would dribble
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
No, he absolutely needs to avg 30 rebounds a game
It’s all part of Kahn’s master plan on Ceti Alpha V.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
it wasn't an amnesty
Rip was just released, so it was normal waiver process… no amnesty auction.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Another rumor
New here. Been lurking here for years. Clipper fan for 14 years now. Over @ “Goldenstateofmind”, CP to Warriors.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Welcome!
Monta + Biedrins + Thompson?
I don’t think that’s any better than our offer, from a youth standpoint. And that’s way worse than the Lakers’ offer.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ellis
Ellis would be a great shooter for them with Thompson as their young asset if a draft pick was included it wouldn’t be a bad option.
Let them have CP3
Not worth a bidding war and good luck to them getting him to re-sign.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Ellis is young-ish, but Biedrins is a terrible contract.
Thompson is the only real rebuilding piece there.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And Paul doesn't want to go to GS
They’re referencing a Peter Vescey article. He’s less reliable than Broussard
Not possible
About being less reliable than Broussard. I trust my “sources” on Facebook (aka my friends) more than I do Broussard’s nonsense.
Wow what a coincidence!
Broussard’s sources are also his Facebook friends!
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Saw that
It traces back to Peter Vecsey, which right off the bat tells you it’s probably crap. It was also written this morning – 16 hours is like 6 months in ‘post lockout time’. It’s nothing.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
At this point, I’m ready to just roll into the season with the squad we have. I wouldn’t even answer phone calls from New Orleans (aka League Office) if Eric Gordon was in the trade. Let them be greedy and hose some other team.
This is an interesting thought
Stefan Bondy: Here’s another option that I’m sure Nets fans don’t want to hear, but has to be brought up if it becomes clear they can’t land Howard
They trade Deron Williams.
We could use NJ as leverage against Stern
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
We need a leverage map
Magic using Nets using Lakers using Warriors using Clippers using Hornets…
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Damn Mom and Dad why couldnt I be taller
Nene and the Denver Nuggets have reached terms on five-year, $67 million deal.
crap dude... i'm trying to work.
haha…..
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Nene is worth it the first 3 years
but when he’s 32-33 things may not look so rosy. Also is the last year guaranteed etc etc.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Welp...that settles it. We're going to wake up tomorrow with headlines about CP3 heading to the Lakers
Gotta love the Steve reverse mojo.
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
lol Josh McBob
What a great name…
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I actually might die of laughter if he ended up getting traded to Lakers
I would howl and cackle for about 20 minutes.
In other sports news
report Frank McCourt is angling to keep the Dodgers.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
I just heard a sound bite and it was reported on news by Fred Roggin
I think it is just a possible legal loophole.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
go giants
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
by ClipperBEAST on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Im actually from the Bay Area.... I still live here
In the city of Pittsburg to be exact, I love my Giants, Raiders, Trojans, and Clippers so much!
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
by ClipperBEAST on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Good stuff!!
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
by ClipperBEAST on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Is he using this as leverage to buy the Hornets?
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Maybe they really want to get a deal done tonight
We should keep an eye on this.
They only had 6 players under contract as of this afternoon
and their big news was the resigning of Marco Belinelli. I actually feel sorry for their loyal fans and would be pissed if I was one of the 10,000 season ticket holders.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
They should pose with various posters of the near-Hornets
CP3 can stand with Scola, Okafor with Kevin Martin, Belinelli with Kaman.
What fun!
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
all this posturing or whatever Stern wants to label it reminds me of something I heard yesterday
I heard Max Kellerman on am 710 ask yesterday if David Stern could truly be this Machiavellian yesterday and it reminds me of this quote
Not to be callous and compare war to NBA negotiations, but I think it encapsulates David Stern’s last couple days as pseudo owner
Newbie
butta dah money maka you feel so goooood
thats my italian accent
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Just my 2 cents regarding the ever evolving CP3 fiasco...
The majority of citizens here and over @ Clipperstopbuzz would not include EJ in the deal even for a chance at the 2nd best PG in the league. Yup, I said it. At this point, DWill is more valuable because of CP’S knee problem (bone on bone ala Roy). I disagree however, opportunities to trade for an elite player like a Chris Paul doesn’t present itself too often, and in the Clippers (our) case, it never has. Think about it, in our snake-bitten history, neither Norm Nixon, Dominique Wilkins nor the “great” Bill Walton qualifies; being that we acquired them past their primes. Minny, Mo, Kaman, Farouq, Bled, and EJ for CP3. All things considered, personally I think It’s worth the gamble. Our starting five will rival any team, and I expect us in the finals even with a depleted bench. We can tweak the minor things to balance out the team, but opportunities like this, well???
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
It's crazy how he really never gets brought up
I don’t even think of him when I bring up the best PGs in the game, it’s weird, in my mind I don’t think of him as a PG i think. I know it sounds strange. But he is ridiculously good and probably should be in that conversation, shit, the dude won the MVP last year haha
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
rose is the best pg
we just never talk about him cause he ain’t getting traded
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 14, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
I dont know if he's the best
I think D Will and a healthy Paul could give him a run for his money, but he’s for sure in the conversation
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure he is the best PG
in the classical meaning of the word.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
First off, why would we throw in Mo at that point and get nothing in return. Second, how does this make us a better team? Yes, I’ll be the first to admit that Aminu+Bledsoe don’t seem like the brightest stars, but they can start if they are able to fill the shoes that many seem to hold for them. Also, how do we get better by getting rid of Gordon now and Minnesota’s pick? We don’t. We then become weak at the 2 spot, and we lose one of our most vital players. Yes, CP3 is one of the best PG’s in recent history, but you don’t become a better team with letting Gordon go. This isn’t really a gamble. We would be sending them a whole freaking team for ONE player who can walk after 1 year and who was knee injuries. Yes, we can try to get CP3, but EJ + the pick is TOO steep.
by SurfinQ00 on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I kinda wish this story would just die
A distraction we don’t need. If we can’t make a trade, we can’t make a trade. move on.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Dec 13, 2011 9:40 PM PST reply actions
when a talent like Paul is involved, you never stop trying to acquire him until the situation is finally settled
you may offer less, posture more, whatever… but i don’t think you ever shut the door completely
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
yah but what else would you be doing every night
I need this to keep going for a couple months
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
wow so Chris Paul is this offseasons Ramon Sessions
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
by KidJustin on Dec 13, 2011 9:48 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Wow Steve must be super super super super rich
They do have two first round picks next year (their own and Dallas’ in the Odom trade) but very late first round picks (as the Lakers pick and the Dallas pick are likely to be) have little to know value – teams sell their late first rounders for a couple million dollars all the tim
Millions of dollars have little to no value to Steve Perrin!
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
you know it baby
I light my cigars with million dollar bills.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
You know how we have the G force...
I just came up with something… Butler, Billups, and Bledsoe make up the B-Listers!! I know, it’s terrible lol
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
Question to ClipNationers
How many surfing from:
a) desktop
b) laptop
c) tablet
d) smartphone
I’m surfing from laptop in Mommie’s basement
currently off my smartphone
but soon back to laptop
by shap on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i use the sb nation app on my smartphone
makes posting easier, tough to login on my iphone otherwise
but the sb nation app only seems to show stories on the main page, not fanposts, fanshots etc
I access ClipsNation via
the web browser on my phone and it’s good. It gives you the mobile version of this site, and I can see the fan posts and fanshots. It’s also free of ads that you see on the regular site, so that’s great.
i can see everything, but cant comment on fanshots/fanposts
which also works when i just wanna read
surfing on
desktop when at work
laptop when at home
smart phone when on bus to/from work
The latest
I always use the latest in technology:
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 13, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Like that girl from VIP Tickets, “Oh yeah!”
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
LOL.. Always what I think of too, when I see that phone.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 14, 2011 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I hope you respect your mom
To watch your porn elsewhere? :D
Or have I mistaken you for someone else watching porn for the Clipper Nation
All of the above
I work with kids so there isn’t a computer anywhere in sight. Nevertheless, convenient checks on my cell let me keep abreast with what’s happening with all this madness lately.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
It's a good thing
I didn’t get ostracized for my opinion. There are some classy people here at Clipsnation. How about a little distraction from the CP3 talks. Out of curiosity, 2 things:
1) Lawler and Smith or Lawler and Walton??
2) Call me delusional, but has anyone here with a keen eye observed the Shaq and Stanley Roberts battle in the late 90’s? Shaq was intimidated by Roberts, and believe or not Roberts had the best of Shaq on most nights. What a travesty, such a promising career cut short due to non stop eating. My avatar represents the man that never was.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
hmm
Lawler and Walton, hands down. they had great chemistry and made watching some terrible basketball quite pleasurable. Smith is no slouch though.
Roberts had his moments, but i don’t recall him ever owning Shaq. of course i was much younger and didn’t have league pass back then. i used to love having the heavy-duties on our front line, Stanley and Hot Plate.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
I loved watching Stanley own Shaq, it was amazing! Of course when he played other teams he played his weight,
but it was the LSU match-up that really got him going.
Fire Jasen Powell!
lawler and walton
favorite duo in commentating history for me
My favorite Walton quote
something along the lines of
“And the Clippers with a DOMINATING one point lead!”
"Where would the Clippers be without Earl Boykins?"
That one’s lived in my heart for ages.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
smith annoys me a lot
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 14, 2011 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Walton by a mile
That was the funniest pair of announcers in any sport, ever.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
1)Lawler and Walton for sure.....
2)Shaq, because he put out rap albums and a video game called Shaq Fu. And not to mention Shaq wore the Reebok Pumps before anyone else. Shazam.
"If you are the big tree, we are the small ax."
-Bob Marley
before any basketball player?
because if not i think Michael Chan was sporting them before shaq
anyone remember Karl Maalone’s Catapults by LA Gear?
or The Dream wearing SPAWLDING shoes
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
More
I go out to dinner for a couple of hours and come back to more drama.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 PM PST reply actions
Mo on Chauncey:
Well, Chauncey is a big acquisition for us obviously for a leadership standpoint, It’s no question of his track record or what he’s done. Obviously, he’s a great addition to us. He’s always been a mentor to me so, it’s something that is special to me. We can do some thing with him here.
Looks like he is taking it very well.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
While it is a business reality
if Mo is moved it is kind of a shame as he was so vocal with Caron Butler about how this is a great place to play.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
he's probably one if not the only player who has said he was happy to be traded to the Clippers.
Fire Jasen Powell!
Cleveland must really really really suck
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
You have no idea how awful that team was last year
No idea.
Mo played great to start the year also, but then defenses started to only focus on him, and his production dropped off a cliff, hence the terrible shooting numbers.
When you are starting Manny Harris, Daniel Gibson, and Christian Eyenga, there is something badly wrong.
This
If I were the Cavs I would try to move Baron, Jamison, Varejao, Boobie and Sessions for draft picks/expirings and just suck terribly for 2-3 years to rebuild the talent pool.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
I hope we have been trying to move them
Sessions and Varejao are still easily our best trade pieces, but even they wont get that much back.
Boobie Gibson is a fan favorite and a sniper from deep, but he might get 2 2nd rounders back. Sessions could probably get at least a mid-late 1st rounder.
Well the Cavs lost like 4325740750 games in a row
not to mention he went from a team that was a legit contender playing with the best basketball player in the world to a team where they were starting Samardo Samuels. If the trade had happens in Feb 2009 or 2010 he’d be very very unhappy.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers might have to start looking around a bit harder
Per Adrian Woj
Y! Sources: Orlando, N.J. trade talks for Dwight Howard gather momentum, but are Magic truly inclined to move star now?
link to full article if you care to read it
Newbie
This makes sense- Nene, Chandler, Gasol, DJ all out of picture
This would also explain Laker’s renewed interest in CP3.
I hope they get him actually- I think their team without Gasol and whatever else they give up will be worse than with CP3.
btw, if the lakers somehow pulled off cp3
they’d have a ton of cash from the sasha/lamar savings and would be able to fill a cp3/kobe/bynum team relatively easily with a couple of more solid pieces
just saying, they won’t just sit on paul and call it an offseason
A ton of cash?
Between Kobe, CP3, and Bynum, they’d be at ~$55M; with their “Josh McBob” signing from earlier in the day they’re at or over the cap (only bringing him up cuz I’m not sure what else would have to go out with Pau to get the CP3 deal done). Not sure with what cap room they’d sign all their other pieces – I’m seeing lots of veteran exceptions and league minimums to fill out the roster…
alright guys, gut feeling
where is cp3 playing by the end of the month
here
for us
that has been my gut feeling since sunday. its only a matter of how long it takes us to make a deal, and who we include
i still have a terrible feeling gordon may be included
i really hope not, because if he is, along with the minny pick, i dont really like the deal. too much.
Clippers
I think it was John Hollinger who was on ESPn Radio tonight and who said that Chris Paul would be playing for Clippers on Christmas Day.
by lovinglosangeles on Dec 13, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
lakers
only cuz that’s what always happens, and we always get all excited and then cockteased/used as leverage by great players.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Walton and Lawler
Too bad for the new generation of spoiled Iphones and Ipad Clipper fans, they wouldn’t have the slightest clue what we are alluding to. For those who haven’t seen/heard, this is a must watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkrccHEAqg
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Diaw and the age of romanticism
Will it ever get any better than that? Never.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 13, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Lol..great!!
Boris Diaw sure has it al!!!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Adrian Wojnarowski reported Tuesday that the Nets are assembling a “blockbuster” four-team offer for Dwight Howard.
Wonder what 4 teams and which players. Could Hornets and CP3 be involved?
That would mean a super duper blockbuster trade
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
We get D Will for sure
After that it would extremely complicated!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
ok
heres what if works out to be
Clippers get: paul, johan petro
hornets get: kaman, aminu, bledsoe, morrow, minny pick
magic get: mo williams, trevor ariza, brook lopez, nets 1st rounder
nets get: dwight
Holy Crap
If that really happened, that is an AMAZING deal and EACH team benefits from it.
Clippers get CP3 and take on Petro. He is pretty mediocre but w/e
Hornets get an expiring contract, 2 young stars, a nice pick, and a solid SG (instead of Gordon)
Magic can get a solid 1-3-4/5 lineup and a decent pick
Nets get who they want, Dwight!
I wish this was the case, because every team gets better!!
Nice attempt
But Magic don’t come close to accepting that imo.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
Magic don't accept and neither does the NBA (Hornets)
For NOH this is nothing more than our offer for Paul plus Ariza for Morrow, which actually makes it worse.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Has this article been posted already?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7351216/los-angeles-clippers-not-los-angeles-lakers-plan – Ramona Shelburne kicking some knowledge (not much different from what we already know, though).
I like the article
It’s like watching a flashback episode of a long-running show. Good times, Ramona.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Take this to the bank guys
Billups, EJ, Butler, Must see BG, and Jordan = 2nd round Playoffs.
CP3, Billups, Butler, Griffin, Jordan = finals.
That’s why we have to pull the proverbial “trigger”.
Let’s have an educational/intelligent debate for those who disagree.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
not seeing it
just because we are the Clips and we have a history of injured players,,,,, Clippers curse
Nope, don't think so
“must see BG” lol I was watching NBA game time and they keep calling BG that lol
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Been debated to death
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Wasting your breath
You’ve got it right, but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone is overvaluing EJ to the point where they’re ready to let a superstar go across the hall to the Lakers. It’s madness, I tell you, madness.
To those whose argument is, “it’s too much,” let me ask you this: Say we got to keep Aminu, Bledsoe, and the Minny pick. Would you trade Kaman and EJ for Paul? Didn’t think so. So start being honest: You actually believe Gordon is better than Paul, which is completely, totally irrational.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
I would do that trade in a second.
It all comes down leverage. Don’t think we have to trade both. Simple as that. The league has backed itself into a corner. Why not keep the pressure on? This is negotiating 101.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
by Clipper T on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Music to My Ears
The NBA, who owns the Hornets, is no longer pushing to obtain guard Eric Gordon in talks with the Clippers.
Link to the article from a new orleans news paper
Newbie
whoa
maybe they’re now pushing harder for us taking okafor?
here's the thing, if we had to take Okafor or Ariza based on talent and not contracts
Okafor would easily be my choice. We’d have a 3 big rotation of BG/Okafor/DJ which is strong to go with our amazing 3 guard rotation of CP3/Billups/Gordon (I’m assuming if it’s okafor or ariza we are giving up Mo). Okafor’s contract is what sucks, it’s not my money, so if Sterling was willing to go for it then yay for Sterling. I think Okafor is better than DJ now, but that’s way too much money to be spending on those 2 bigs.
Fire Jasen Powell!
would definitely consider
just would need donald to take it, put his money where his mouth is since a team that gets paul without giving up gordon has legit title chances
oy vey
2011 12,541,812
2012 13,543,250
2013 14,544,687
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Its kind of offset
I’m assuming Mo is in the deal (otherwise it won’t work cap wise). Clips add $4 million to this year (not a problem), $5 million next year (maybe a problem with a possible EJ extension, Foye contract expires) and 2013 (Gomes contract off the books).
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 13, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
And
Would give us some much needed front court depth. Hate that contract but if the deal hinges on this, I think I’d pull trigger.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
You suck it up
and appreciate the fact that EJ, BG and CP3 are underpaid this year.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
i think you meant EJ, BG and Chauncey are underpaid this year
Fire Jasen Powell!
negotiate down
….how much hope could we see in that scenario that would could convince Okafor, in after a year of playing with a successful Clipper franchise, to take a pay cut and renegotiate his contract to a lower amount so he can stay on a team in contention for a championship or we end up trading him to Sacramento or back to Nawlins
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
That won't work
There’s little reason for Okafor to do that, most teams stuck in rebuilding won’t be interested. Only a team with a win now mentality with a penchant for spending would be interested (you’d also need some sweetener to get teams to take the deal)
He could stretch his contract out (say make it 50 million over 5 years, so essentially you get the last 2 years for 10 million) which could help the Clips forecast their payroll for the next 5 years.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 14, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Damn
Well this may end up happening…
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
No way
Who are these guy sources? The story was published at 10pm NOLA time, a few hours ago, and it hasn’t been picked up by the national media… I don’t think it holds much water.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Whoa
Well if that’s true then we have a deal, right?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 13, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Now they want BG instead :-)
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
If this is true
Holy crap, Sterling, Neil wake up and OK the deal. Let’s get this done!!
If something does end up going down, I think it'd have to be something like this, otherwise I can't see olshey pulling the trigger
LAC gets: CP3, Ariza
NO gets: Eric Bledsoe, AFA, Kaman’s expiring contract, Mo Williams, MIN 2011 1st rounder, another pick or 2 from the Clips
NO would get a couple of talented young players in Bledsoe and AFA, salary cap relief in Kaman’s expiring, a likely high pick in a strong draft, 1-2 late picks for some depth, and Mo who isn’t tied to a long term deal which prospective owners should like. It also makes them suck enough in the short term that they get a high pick themselves in this deep draft.
For the Clips, it leaves them with a strong guard rotation – CP3, Gordon, Billups. Ariza isn’t the greatest contract, but he’s not a bad backup. Then possibly offer (ideally) gomes/foye for big man depth.
Newbie
Well
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111214,0,3056966.story
The NBA, which operates the Hornets, refused to move off its position of wanting Eric Gordon and the Clippers’ No. 1 unprotected draft pick they got from the Minnesota Timberwolves, the person said.
Also
I wonder how stupid that conversation could have gone.
“Hello, Mr. Olshey”
“Yes, Commissioner? "
“We have our last and final offer for the Clippers.”
“Oh, well let’s hear it!”
“Okay, Chris Kaman, Al-Foruq Aminu, Minnesota’s pick, and…. Eric Bledsoe and Gordon! Same exact thing… DEAL!?!?”
“….. GTFO”
stern's negotiating 101
if all else fails, veto
Not buying it
If this was true Neil would have already accepted the deal and clipsnation would be going apesh!t in excitement
by hadouken! on Dec 13, 2011 11:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What a BS article.
The writer is just pulling nonsense out of thin air. If he was right, the deal would be done.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
Okafor
Trade and amnesty? I think it’d be easier to do that with Ariza though.
Yup
Im pretty sure players can only be amnestied if they were contracted with the team in the prior CBA
"..We have the talent and capabilities so why not go for it?" BJ Raji
by AcmePacker21 on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
dont buy that ariza is the contract they're trying to unload here
with ariza and cp3 gone, they will never get rid of okafor until hes expiring
I don't think they need to amnesty anyone this year
they aren’t in the luxury tax and they can’t sign any more free agents once DJ’s deal is in so there’s no point. If they did the only player with a meaningful contract left to amnesty would be Gomes.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 14, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting photo of an overweight Kaman with a black eye.
Less than 2 weeks before the season starts and he is not in shape. Must have really let go after playing for Germany.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
A Cookie head-butt
is behind the black eye, or that’s the word in Steve’s Media Day post. I didn’t think Chris looked that bad… he’s never been the chiseled-athlete-type.
can't tell from that photo
maybe his face looks more round?
Surprising, this is his contract year (his last big money one too you’d think) so you’d think he’d be motivated if nothing else by the $$$.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 14, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
LMAO, how those it feel Laker fans!!!
@ramonashelburne
Folks in Lakerland very confused right now. Silence from front office is deafening. Wondering/hoping this is smokescreen to a stealth move.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
meh
seems when it’s quiet is when things usually go down
i don’t ever count those $@%^!^ out when it comes to pulling a trade/signing out of their arse.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 13, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
from that article
Not that I believe anything anymore, ESPN’s cried wolf too many times, but for those with a glimmer of hope.
All I can say is that I trust in Neil Olshey, and know that he will do what is best for the organization, that is about the only thing that can be said with confidence these days regarding all these talks.
The NBA’s preference, however, remains a trade with the Clippers. The Lakers’ co-tenants at Staples Center can best supply New Orleans with the combination of youth and draft picks to provide a solid and cost-friendly platform for the Hornets’ next ownership group.
Newbie
With some clarity....
I had delusions of grandeur when I made the blanket statement that we’d be in the finals if we have CP3, perhaps my insomnia has finally caught up to me. Do not interpret my response as idiotic, but rather haste. Listen, as the majority of all us recognize, we must keep EJ; not only does he have the potential to be a star but based on what he has said during media day today, he wants to stay a Clipper.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Filed Under You've Come A Long Way Baby
From: ESPN Conversations
Al Sroc23
I never thought I would ever see the day where a good player demands a trade to the Clippers…
after he's paid $30 mil in his last year with the lakers
I wouldn’t mind picking him up for the minimum, as he goes ring chasing to match Michael’s
Too bad we'll be over the cap when Kobe gets AMNESTIED
Which means we won’t be able to put in a bid ;-)
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
i didn't want that p.o.s. back when he used us way back when to get a deal from lakers
surely don’t want him now
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 14, 2011 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Someone asks earlier what our gut feelings are...
well, I think CP3 will be in a Clippers uniform either tomorrow or the day after, at the latest. This thing cannot drag on to the weekend (a thousand obvious reasons). Its crystal clear, to anyone with basic analytical skills that Stern’s hand is/will be revealed. Eventually he’ll fold, and this waiting game will end as we call Stern’s bluff. I don’t buy the Lakers having the right assets, even if they can somehow find a supposed 3rd team (unlikely). I believe their interest in Paul is a poor attempt to keep Kobe happy, thinking that Odom was a prelude to “bigger things”, a facade; their true intentions remain Howard.
Prediction: CP3 and Okafor are Clippers tomorrow for Minny, Kaman, Bledsoe, Farouq, and Mo.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
okafor...
is going to get us a championship….combining with all of our other players
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin]getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -Steve Perrin
I wonder if he'd be interested in restructuring his deal maybe
1. Granted, it’d be more years to swallow, but could the Clippers would have more mobility.
2. Does the NBA let teams defer salary for cap purposes? Anyone know?
as bad as he is
hes a great piece for our rotation sans kaman
just comes down to sterling ponying up to keep everyone else, i suppose.
It has to happen
Hornets only have 7 signed players in their camp the rest are invites. Plus, they have their first preseason game on friday
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Deferring salary for cap purposes
Chances of that happening is unrealistic at best. Not worth analyzing.
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Hornets
just waived Patrick Ewing JR. AHA!!
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Or Gasol, which would be dumb
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5eljJhYKY&feature=related
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 14, 2011 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
We have to trade for Paul... PLEASE TRADE FOR PAUL!!!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 14, 2011 12:22 AM PST reply actions
What did I say folks!
In the words of King Theodon, “and so it begins”
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
What's going on?
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
So I thought
Im pondering on going to sleep or wait up a little bit longer
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
neither have i, neither have I
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Okay, so if this is really going down?
It seems that all signs are pointing to it. Hornets only have a 6 player roster, they waived Patrick Ewing JR, they are really pushing for SOME sort of deal. Now, what do you think changed? Personally, I think the Clippers ability to take on a big contract is one factor, but I am worrying that Neil may have budged and said- Fine, let’s do it. And he offers Gordon + the Pick.. What do you guys think is going on? From the reports, it sounds like Hornets were saying I WANT GORDON no matter what
dont give gordon
if they give gordon, i will be pretty upset.
but man, PLEASE dont give gordon.
In all honesty
If we can give Gordon, but keep the pick and get Ariza in return… That isn’t too bad. I only say this because the future isn’t looking too bright. I mean come on, signing CP3, Griffin AND Gordon? That is a a pretty big lump of dough for someone who loves his money.
maybe dell demps was just having a sleepless night
got some of his frustrations out on patty jr, had a sandwich, and laid back down
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 14, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
LMFAO!!
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
maybe Demps was so frustrated
and wanted rebel a little just to show he IS the GM and no one that’s henpecked so he just does SNYTHING
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
Well at this rate
The hornets would have to take a bunch of D-Leaguers…. This is either a great night for NBA rejects, or a good night for Clipper fans… Either way, it’s a win win I suppose.
Rick Bucher tweet 30 min ago
For clarity’s sake: the CP3 deals have been vetoed by David Stern, NOH owner, not NBA commissioner. Nothing has reached the commish’s desk.
Newbie
Thanks for doing Stern's bidding
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Guys. IT IS OFFICIAL :)
Finally!!! Golden State has Kwame Brown tehehe
http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_19542547?source=most_viewed
7 mil...what a bargain
no wonder they didn’t overbid too much for DeAndre, they had this ace up their sleeve
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 14, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Also, in twisted News
Williams would land in New Orleans and Ariza would go back to the Lakers.
That’s looking pretty good for the Lakers??
William. Which Williams?
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Nevermind, Mo
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
guess who misread stein's tweet
and made an overly opinionated statement about a yet to be completed trade
rotoworld is loaded with awful, over the top blurbs that speak too much about their authors and not enough about facts
Not funny
Im sleep deprived and my blood sugar is through the roof :) haha, i was thinking of posting something to this effect prior, funny.
Newbie
I wanna go to bed knowing that we have CP3!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 14, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
might be big news.
once they have a year of Kwame, taking Okafor’s 2 years 26 mil off our hands will seem like a bargain ;)
OH SNAP!!! IT LOOKS LIKE....
I just saved a bunch of money on my auto insurance by switching to GEICO
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
Randomness: Hubie Brown
Always been a fan, wished he coached the Clippers of Christmas past.
Anyone watching this interview will have a new appreciation for this man. I dare anyone to not shed a tear after watching this amazing interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IIRsGIn3Ko
"Where will the Clippers be without Sean Rooks" - The big red head
Here's the video
with Mo’s and Griffin’s view on the acquisition of Chauncey
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/12/13/20111213_gt_clippers_media.nba
And some pictures from media
you might not have seen yet
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lac/gallery/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,ap:20050301:nba,photo,ap-201112131712619223309:1#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cap%3A20050301%3Anba%2Cphoto%2Cap-201112131712619223309%3A1
people are desperate for a center
I bet you bynum goes to some crap team like the bobcats and the lakers get their pick and deal it to the hornets.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 14, 2011 1:26 AM PST reply actions
And they would keep Pau?
Hard to imagine… and Paul and Kobe without a frontcourt should get funny quickly…
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
even if Okafor would go to the lakers
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
I don’t see how they have a good team after a trade for Paul, now that Odom is gone.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
even before, getting DH would have been the only way to make a Paul deal any good in the near future
Paul in exchange for Odom and Pau wouldn’t have improved their chance at winning a title now. It would probably ensure that the Lakers stay relevant past the Kobe era, but that would still take some effort.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
lol ok David Aldridge
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/12/14/20111213_gt_cp3_update.nba/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
I’ve bullshitted before plenty of times, in both college and at work. Aldridge doesn’t sound confident at ALL in what he’s saying.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He lost me when
he said that Pau was a good trade. “They got a big man, a draft pick, and cap space which turned into Zack Randolp”. Biggest load of crap I have heard. The only upside they got was MARC GASOL, but that was a complete gamble. Kwame was a joke and everyone knew he would be a bust. The draft pick was decent, but no way can you defend that Pau for Kwame was fair.
the clips can’t trade their 1st rd pick this year since they gave it up to acquire mo for baron davis. if NOH wants young talent why isn’t this deal getting done
aminu / bledsoe / kaman / Minny1st / LAC 2013 1st rounder
2 cheap young players, 2 players on rookie contracts, salary relief in kaman. clips keep gordon, while NOH gets all the criteria they want
no, don't have our first round pick to trade because Boston has our 1st round (conditional)
I believe we had to go something like: NO get the pick if the pick doesn’t fall to Boston. Too complicated to be interesting for
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 2:40 AM PST up reply actions
the earliest first rounder we can give up is 2017
Because of the top 10 protected pick we gave up for Bledsoe
by yolos on Dec 14, 2011 7:14 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Stern/Hornets are waiting until the 11th hour to give in.
Thats why we’re hearing all this ‘Lakers back in the mix’ garbage. Its a ploy to make us panic.
nice try, Stern.
well they have to resolve this in the near future
Bellini has signed his QO, probably just to be able to get out next year. And they need to get some players to fill out their depleted roster. It is going to be a lousy team for sure.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 2:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yep
Panic!!!!!
We’re only left with C.Billups, M.WIlliams, E.Gordon, the Minnesota 1st pick in 2012, and a plethora of developing young talent.
WE ARE DOOMED!
Can you imagine if the League was actually stupid/silly enough to do a Lakers-3-way-like deal?
If they took all those “trade-able” assets back and still fielded a “competitive” team…
The amount of time it’d take to trade those assets for anything…
It would also be very funny if the Lakers gutted their team to get Paul...
and then couldn’t get Howard.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Good news...
ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
What is abundantly clear: slim chance the Clippers will be outbid for the services of Chris Paul.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
so, john reid of the new orleans picayune..
this is the guy that said the nba is no longer pushing for gordon, do we have any idea of his credibility or how legit his stories have been in the past? worth investigating, even?
as long as that guy is right and reassures us what has seemingly been olshey’s position all along, it’s a simple manner of watching stern cave, getting a miracle 11th hour outside offer, or slowly destroying the hornets and his chances of effectively selling them via inactivity.
by shap on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Hasn't been substantiated.
He’s the only person I’ve seen say that. It’s been tweeted and retweeted but no other media outlet has confirmed the info. He’s about as reliable as ESPN at this point.
At least I'm also a Redskins fan... oh wait. My sports life sucks.
that seems to be the situation
it’s a simple manner of watching stern cave, getting a miracle 11th hour outside offer, or slowly destroying the hornets and his chances of effectively selling them via inactivity.
If Stern doesn’t do anything constructive quickly, I’m guessing NBA will be done in NO. Either by contraction or because the new owner will want to move them.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 5:02 AM PST up reply actions
topic being debated on the dan patrick show
DP saying Clippers shouldn’t trade assets and build within for years to come.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 14, 2011 6:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions
don't agree
bringing Paul in (assuming we keep Gordon along with him) would bring so much to this franchise. star power, legitimacy, talent enough to go deep in the playoffs, the opportunity to nearly scrub off this stain and stench of ineptitude that’s been on us for years. look around, it looks like a down year in the west. almost everyone is either shedding salary, getting older, losing players, etc. why NOT us in the WCF or Finals? i know that’s a big jump for a team that hasn’t even been in the playoffs lately but still. that’s how much of a leap we would make with Paul.
if we get away with having our cake and eating it too (keeping Gordon in the deal), you have to do it. have to, have to, have to.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 14, 2011 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
true, keep EJ through all of it.
BTW Don McClane on now
by yaggiefresh on Dec 14, 2011 6:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
WTF, I listened to this interview
and they both talked like EJ was in the trade along with Kaman, AFA with the Minny? MacClean did not correct him? Is EJ back on the table since last nite?
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
I doubt he is
McClane seemed way off and was only offering his own opinion.
by yaggiefresh on Dec 14, 2011 7:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No EJ on the trade or GTFO NBA!
Olshey needs to make this clear to everyone.
No, it's the Clip Show!
Stephen A vs Skip Bayless on CP3 trade debate
Stephen A-EJ is a young stud and would not do trade if it includes him
Skip Bayless-Crazy not to pull the trigger and EJ easily replaceable and not an All Star
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
OT
Today in Sports: 1988 – After losing their first 17, the Miami Heat won their very first game, 89-88 over the Clippers.
:(
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 14, 2011 9:51 AM PST reply actions
no worries
Blake Griffin is building a time machine to travel back and erase all the painful Clippers memories
by BelgianClipper on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
If the trade doesn't happen...
it won’t bother me.
The team as it stands now is both young and experienced, and deep at every positon on the roster. The coach and system are in place. When healthy last year they were dominant (see wins over every division leader – only team to do that).
Keep Kaman and the Minny pick and let it ride. I am very quietly predicting a 40-26 record. I don’t know where that lands them, but it could make for a very interesting playoff run.
I love you like a brother my SD homie
But C’mon.
When healthy last year they were dominantSure, they had some great wins, but 32-50 is a far cry from dominant.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
They had a decent record when healthy
I think it wasn’t that far under .500 when they had their full 8 or 9 man rotation. But yea, not dominant.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Let me clarify...
I messed up when I used the word, "dominant." A better word would have been "impressive." The Clippers at times last year proved that they could play with the elite teams in the league, and actually beat them impressively. The road wins at Chicago, Boston, the Knicks, and Memphis, the home wins against Oklahoma City, New Orleans, San Antonio, Miami, the Lakers, Houston and Denver were all impressive wins, some of them even short-handed.
I for one would love to see Billups, EJ, BG, Jordan and Butler start, and Williams, Kaman, Bledsoe (when he is back), and Aminu come in as the second unit. What energy (Bledsoe, Aminu) and experience/scoring (Kaman, Williams) the second unit would have. They might be able to not only hold down the fort, but even extend leads the starters left them. I can’t imagine a deeper team in the NBA as it stands right now.
by MySDClippers on Dec 14, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
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