An open letter to Clipper bandwagoners
by shay on Dec 15, 2011 12:42 AM PST
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This may be a shocking time for all of you. It is tough to root for a losing team and it appears the Lakers may be headed that way soon. Us Clipper fans have been doing it for years now so we definitely understand your pain, we just ask that you do stay calm and resist the urge to do any rioting... again.
Now as I understand it many of you are switching teams and rooting for the Clippers now that we have CP3 (regarding that it may seem like we stole him from you, but direct all complaints to the office of David Stern... we aren't too thrilled with him either) and possibly one of the best starting lineups in the NBA. We Clipper fans are an accepting bunch and we will gladly have you in our wagon. There are, however, differences in Laker and Clipper culture so to avoid confusion and any embarrassing faux pas here's a list of thing you should know and a few rules you should follow.
1.Chances are good that the Clippers will be making the playoffs this year, and I know Laker fans generally like to show their joy of making playoffs by putting flags on their vehicles. We beg of you, please resist the urge! No Clipper flags!
2. When you are at a Clipper game you may notice that it is a little brighter in the arena. This is because the Clippers do not turn their lights of during the game. It may take a little while for your eyes to adjust but you'll be good by the 2nd quarter--promise! You may notice other areas where we aren’t as flashy as our co-tenants, but it’s okay, our cheerleaders are hotter.
3. If you are going to Clipper games then you may at first be confused by a gentlemen in a red and blue suit (he has a matching car as well). This man is Clipper Darrell. He is basically our Jack Nicholson and could be considered an unofficial mascot. He will yell very loudly (which could at first be off-putting if he sits in your row) and he may at some point start the wave.
4. Laker fans were lucky to have Chick Hearn as the commentator for their games. His passing was a great loss to the franchise and his replacements, to be honest, are terrible. Well now that you are Clipper fans, you will have the pleasure of listening to the greatest broadcasting duo in the NBA: Ralph Lawler and Mike Smith. Now Ralph Lawler is the one who really carries this team, but Mike Smith ain't too bad. Here are some Ralph Lawler-isms you should familiarize yourself with:
- Oh-me-oh-my (said on an exciting plays such as fast-breaks and dunks)
- BINGO! (said after 3 pointers)
- Lawler's Law (first to 100 points wins)
- Fasten your seat belts gang, it's down to the wire
5. Please watch the game when you are at the game. We old-school Clipper fans used to have the option to attend pretty much any Clipper game for like $10. With all these new fans those prices are sure to be gone, so if you are going to fill up a seat at Staples please actually watch the game instead of using it as some kind of show of status. After the game ends please peacefully drive home and stay there for the rest of the night. Resist any urge to light things on fire.
6. Laker fans have a tendency to overrate their players. Sit down when I tell you this, but, Kobe is not the greatest player to ever play the game, and he may not be the greatest player playing now… are you still there? Now us Clipper fans have much love for our savior, Blake Griffin, and I would very much give up a kidney for him; however, in rating him (and our other players) we have to stay objective. As a corollary to this please doesn’t suggest absurd trade scenarios ("Luke Walton for D. Rose is a great deal!")… actually... please refrain from all trade speculation.
7. The following former players are personae non gratae in Clipper Nation: Lamar Odom, Andre Miller, Elton Brand, Danny Ferry.
8. We don't get tacos so don't boo if we don't get a 100 points.
9. Your probably used to lines of celebrities filling the seats at Staples (by the way, we play there too... so don't get lost getting to the game) so far we have Frankie Munoz (who is no longer living in LA, but still sends twitter love to the nation), Penny Marshall, Billy Crystal, and that dad from That's So Raven. They don't attend as religiously as Jack so you may not see them as often.
10. We may be down by two points, up by thirty points, or down by twenty... It doesn't matter, unless you wife's in labor or you kids are burning down your house... You stay till the end of the game!
This should tide you new fans over for now. Welcome to Clipper Nation! Enjoy an exciting season of basketball!
Sincerely,
A Veteran Fan
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awesome post.
some things to consider adding.
Our celebs: i.e. , Penny Marshall, Frankie Munoz (soon to return from a hiatus, I’m sure), Billie Crystal (ditto), The dad from That’s So Raven (truly a prize there)…amongst some others to be listed.
We typically stay til the end of the game (by LA standards)
Our colors are Red Blue and White
We dont suggest trades for our worst player for the 2nd best player in the league
Our best player is not a demigod by default
We have no retired jerseys, nor championship banners….last time i checked.
We also play in the Staples Center
The LA Kings are the “owners” of the Staple Center
We don’t think fans of other teams are stupid because they are fans of other teams
…..am I missing anything
-It’s the Clippers
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
lol the dad from That's So Raven
That’s what I call him too. I think I looked up his name once. When I was behind him in line for Wetzel’s Prezels, I noticed he has a very soft looking head.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Don't forget Charlize Theron!
I remember seeing her at one game.
by Champ Crawdaddy on Dec 15, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
or Rihanna at last years Heat game
or Kate Upton at a game doing the Dougie!
http://youtu.be/LlAjSGEgrMI
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
Jessica Alba?
"The Milkshake" & DJ dunking on people.
by Peter B. Lap on Dec 15, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
don't know if she was a fan
I think his husband is friend’s with baron and that’s why she went to games. OMG if Baron goes to to the Fakers i don’t think i could handle her rooting for them
Probably not a Clipper fan anymore then
Since the Clips traded her husband’s best friend to Siberia Cleveland. Breakups are hard.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 15, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
she goes to laker games also i believe
but the only hat that she can be seen wearing is a clippers hat
some more
We might actually be down by 28 and win, often…
We can collapse in the third, but have show signs by coming back and winning.
We can be up by 30 and lose.
We are more fun to attend than a Lakers game.
I used top be a Lakers season ticket holder… really. I converted three years ago.
by clipperdaryl2 on Dec 16, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Quick Note:
“(he has a matching car as well).”
I’m not sure if thats the case anymore. I heard something happened to it….
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
The transmission died on him, had to get rid of it
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Well
I think im going to embrace the new fans. Its not often a Clippers fan gets to enjoy having random others in cities like tucson follow the Clippers. Bandwagon fans are almost a sign of status, you gotta be good to have em. Now that we have em, its time to enjoy it. Those type of fans will always exist, right now theyre backing us.
And how will you react
to fans that were once Laker fans?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Ignorance is bliss
If i dont know, it cant hurt me lol
One more thing: if you're going to jump our bandwagon, try actually knowing something about basketball
I am open to Laker fans coming over, just not the ignorant ones (and we all know what I’m talking about)
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 AM PST reply actions
I hate the ones that think
they can make a trade easily.
I remember hearing on the radio one guy mentioning trading for Dallas and just offering Bynum and 2 first rounds thinking that will work. Talk about idiot. I’m glad that radio host shut his ass up. This was exactly the reason why I don’t listen to 710, full of ignorant fans of the Lakers.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
710
The only host on 710 that is actually truthful is Colin and Stephen A Smith. Last night was the best when Laker fans were calling in and suggesting wierd trade and Stephen would said why? how? and finally Stop It! Jim Buss thanks for taking over as the Lakers Head Man! lol
It's Hip to be a Clip!
by ClipperOptik on Dec 15, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
LMAO
Those callers were hilarious!! Stephen A. Smith is a Laker fan, but he is still one of the most objective sport radio hosts I have heard. He is very critical! Colin pisses me off, I actually like Max and Marcellous
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Definitely, NO LIGHTING FIRES. fires aren't safe.
Do you know what is safe? The 2012 Kia Optima, it has a 5 star crash safety rating
by osamu on Dec 15, 2011 1:21 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
+1
"The Milkshake" & DJ dunking on people.
by Peter B. Lap on Dec 15, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
i like fire : )
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Dec 15, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
i like kia's
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
one simple rule...
At your first game, sit down, watch the game, and be quiet.
In about…lets say 5 mins…this guy Blake Griffin will make an unbelievable dunk.
I will warn you now, the immediate side effects will probably cause you to either uncontrollably start yelling and cheering or even start crying at the amazing site or both. One the feelings settle momentarily, you will forget everything u ever knew about the lakers and lakers basketball. Welcome to Clipper Nation.
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
by KidJustin on Dec 15, 2011 1:28 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I just want to say...
I feel like we’ve built up a really good culture here. People generally use complete sentences (and proper grammar), respect the forum rules, and try to debate in a sane manner until we eventually either find common ground, or agree to disagree. We all learned to be good debaters because when you’re losing, all you talk about are hypothetical situations and statistical debates and such. It’s made us all smarter, and it’s the reason we were able to be so functioning during the lockout. We have people who are experts in salary structure, experts in advanced stats, or just have really insightful views on things. We have a large group of people that, on the whole, show a mutual respect to one another. It’s fantastic, and it’s the reason I spend so much time on this blog.
Very soon, there is almost certainly going to be a wave of new fans that are here to talk about some of the less, shall we say, “academic” aspects of basketball. Namely, they will come to talk smack about other teams, to gloat about winning (assuming we win), and to generally just blabber on about how badass we are or how no one can touch Blake and CP3. Now, plenty of us do these things in the game threads (which are largely just chat rooms for us to throw up pictures of Brian Skinner’s beard), but this is going to begin invading the fanshots about advanced statistics, or the game previews where we formally discussed strategy and predictions.
For example, before, we maybe would have talked about how the team is going to have trouble guarding the opponent in the post and preventing penetration, but we’ll be successful if we push the ball and play at our tempo. But now, in the midst of that intelligent discussion, there will be people talking about how it doesn’t matter what happens because Blake will dunk on everyone and there’s no way we can lose.
So, Citizens, we must do everything we can to preserve CN the way it has always been. I am not talking about rejecting or alienating any bandwagoners or newcomers, but rather let’s do what we can to educate them and turn them into one of us. Let’s try and bring them into the discussion, ask them questions, and get them thinking outside the box as well. Either they will find us boring and leave, or they will start to listen, learn, and become “smart guys that know the game of basketball.”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by Erik O on Dec 15, 2011 1:36 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
ive become a good
master debator…
sorry just had to do it
Lob City
just have the registration include a test of basic NBA knowledge :)
"He has a tenacity to win and a tenacity to be out there and just kill people." -Baron Davis, on Blake Griffin
by Raining Buckets on Dec 15, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
can we make them read
the Larry Coon’s CBA FAQ as part of the terms and conditions? haha
This assumes
They wouldn’t just scroll down and click yes.
… And that they can read.
by LA jaguars fan on Dec 15, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
"smart guys that know the game of basketball."
just made me miss Aminu already. Haha
Also don't pay attention
to Jax and John R when they tear into each other.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 15, 2011 2:28 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting
I’m fairly new here but not new to the Clippers or online forum dedicated to the Clippers. Used to be very active on the RealGM boards and there we had a solid group of articulate, insightful regulars who maintained lively yet respectful dialogue about the Clippers. I’ve seen some of that here, but don’t know if it’s the format of the blog, but it’s by nature a lot more terse and reactionary which seems to lead to a lot of back and forth tweeter-like blasts without much true dialogue. Hope to see continued posts like yours where a fan actually has the presence and patience to type out a stream of coherent thoughts and the appropriate responses.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
You stay classy San Diego Ganima
There will be less coherent thoughts when the young bandwagoners get onboard but there are definately some very knowledgable and insightful regulars on here (not that I’m amongst them!).
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
neither am I
but practicing my English is always nice. Anyway the last few days were an absolute blast. Long live Neil Oshley (or Don Hollywood, as I will be calling him from now on)
by BelgianClipper on Dec 15, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
also dont forget
if you go staples the night of the NOH vs. clippers u better give a standing O for EJ, Kaveman, and AFA
Max McCarthy
Most definitely
I won’t be there but I will give them a standing ovation in my dorm room.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 15, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't it be great if the sellout crowd chanted
Kaveman, Kaveman, Kaveman!
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
I'm sure Daryl could start that chant
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
LOL... Love it!
I really hope the rioters don’t show up during our success.
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
LOL
well I’m more of a Laker fan than I am a Clippers fan but seeing as even nosebleeds for a Laker game cost like 60 bucks or more I’ve only been to Clippers games. Great post and yes every single retarded jackass Laker fan who sets stuff on fire and semi-riots after every title win should be put in stockings. That said Clips future looks really good just needa fill out that bench and get a reliable 2 guard cause Foye ain’t gonna cut it
I love this post.
Also, we don’t go on forums and offer up stupid trades – how about we send Ryan Gomes, Brian Cook,Randy Foye and Mo Williams to Oklahoma for Kevin Durrant.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Oh man that's too much
we’re sending players with 37 letters in their name for someone with only 12? VETO!
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 AM PST up reply actions
and learn to spell names
just because you add extra letters to Durant, doesn’t mean he’s worth more letters in a trade, haha
LMAO....great post
This is coming from a Rockets fan that hangs around the Clips Nation when they play the Rockets. Stay classy and smart, true Clippers fans!
Thanks pal
Say, you don’t want to swap Ryan Gomes, Brian Cook, Randy Foye and Mo Williams for Kevin Martin do ya? LOL!!!!!!
Just kidding.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
nah man we would be giving up too much
they would have to through in Scola.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Dec 15, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Will we lose new homophobic bandwagoners
when Eric O posts a picture of the adonis-like mancrush Corey Maggette?
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
It's not like I can help it
And everyone agrees with me… My girlfriend… Ralph… Mike… PV Mike… everyone.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Have you seen Blake's calves in his sports illustrated shoot
that was beastly and sexy
Check out http://fullyclips.com/ - Really Great Clippers blog!
Laminated and sitting atop my man-shrine.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe he will someday let you make a plaster cast of his calf
for your mantel.
"I gotta have more cowbell!"
LOL
Item #1… This morning as I was getting for work, I pulled out my red Clippers flag and put it on my car for my 210 freeway commute.
When we win the NBA Championship, it will be that much sweeter!
lol, I rocked mine with pride during our last playoff stint.
now i just have my Clippers license plate holder that i’ve had for about 10 years.
Fire Jasen Powell!
Bandwagon
I think as long time Clipper Fans we must decide who we accept onto our bandwagon? I suggest a test of knowledge because as you know Laker fans only think that two players play for the Lakers – Kobe and Shaq. Yes some Laker Fans still think Shaq is on the team and Phil is still coaching…
It's Hip to be a Clip!
by ClipperOptik on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
some still think kobe is 25
Worst part is when some “laker” fans don’t know two legendary lakers of the dark ages- smush parker and KWAM-AH brown. Also, when they don’t know some legends during the kobe-shaq era such as Mark Mad Dog Madsen and Slava.
Last thing is, lamar was drafted by and once played for … the clippers?!?!
is such a thing even possible?!?!?!? aliens…
Great post!
“… that dad from That’s So Raven” We should also add “Prancer, dancer, bambi, you with the white ear, and you…” (From “Arthur Christmas”)
#11
Don’t automatically assume that we can “acquire” any player we want just because we are the best.
I clicked on the link expecting to dislike this post
But well done, sir. Well done. Very clever.
How can you forget
JESSICA ALBA?
Even though she went only for baron ._.
Clippers '10-'11. I'm ready. Are they?
How about we disallow Laker fans?
They’ve been through thick and thick, they dont deserve to share our upcoming success
I think we have guys like NewCavsFan that just like all the LA teams
But he admits this up front, and he’s kind of an ambassador over on their blog.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Perhaps taking it a bit too far, but...
When the Clippers play the Lakers at home, I would LOVE it if the Clippers came out to Bob Dylan’s ‘Like A Rolling Stone’
http://www.metrolyrics.com/like-a-rolling-stone-lyrics-bob-dylan.html
Mystery Tramp = Josh McRoberts
Napoleon in Rags = Baron Davis
"I hope [Blake Griffin] dunks on me." - Ron Artest
by LancasterGordon4Eva on Dec 16, 2011 1:21 AM PST reply actions
I think Times are a changing would be more appropriate
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Hate to say it but
How many new Laker fans will we see that would say “I also like the Clippers but I just like the Lakers more”.
when you hear the Clippers, it’s not going to be a joke anymore. I can guarantee you that -BG32
just say the President from 24 or Your in all state hands guy
he cbs show to as well. When you saw him did he have a different chick on his side. Every time i’ve seen him he has a diffrent woman ( the life)
I have a friend who's a Lakers' fan... We're both from NY. I like the Bulls and Clips.
Funny enough, no one I know likes the Knicks. Make of that what you will.
Jets, Cowboys, Mets, Islanders, Bulls & Clippers
19-yr veteran fan here, regular reader but seldomly comment...
who coincidentally decided to be more of a regular contributor this season before CP3 arrived. Seems like bad timing for guys like myself because, unfortunately we’ll inevitably be mistaken as a bandwagoner. le sigh
just post things with a shred of creativity
and lay of the capslock and you’ll be good.
by BelgianClipper on Dec 16, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking the same
especially since I’m named after a former Laker and my favorite team has always been the Mavericks.
LeBron James - 0 Charles Barkley - 0 Karl Malone/John Stockton - 0 Sun Yue -1
Awesome post
I guess I will have to make my comments more mature than simple “that’s what she said.” Oh well, this is the price for following a team on the rise.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
An example of Laker fan's ignorance or deep fear?
BA_Turner Brad Turner
RT @janiscarr: Crowd chants “Clippers suck” before Mike Brown begins explaining what the Lakers will be doing. More drills before actually playing
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
that's not ignorance
Its a rivalry, they seem to be staring to feel the way we feel about them.
I'm curious about the preseason games
could get quite intense… the New Clips want to show they are real and the Old Lakers will want to show they are still relevant.
Your capslock is stuck, please buy a new keyboard
by BelgianClipper on Dec 17, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
MUCH LOVEE
AWESOME POST! I could not agree more +100
Poor Kobe?
He’s completely morally bankrupt. What took her so long? The guy is a pig on & off the court. Was I secretly rooting for him to come to the Clippers during his last contract negotiations? Maybe.
Clips Nation Night
I haven’t attended before, but are there going to be any this season?
New menmber/supporter :)
hi guys n girls new clippers supporter here , i wouldnt say im a bandwagon fan as ive never supported a team in the nba before.
that said ive watched the nba on and off for about 5 years and in that time ive liked what you guys have done with your team :)
chris paul was my fav player in the league until blake exploded into the league that guy had me tuning into more n more clips games when i got the chance :)
now you have chris paul aswell , damn you guys are going to be so good to watch , for the first time since i started watching the nba have i found myself drawn to being loyal to a team.
win or lose ill be hanging around as its not the prospect of winning that has caused me to commit to one team , its the prospect of the most entertaining team for me being on the court giving it their all , the pride and passion of the fans support for there team much of which ive read on this website and well the desire to see the other LA team fail .
ive been lurking around these forums for awhile reading up on your team (i beleive it was something like caw caw caw :) ) ive read up on the last decade of lets say dissapointment , elton brand , of what getting baron davis meant to the club and what his trade to the cavs also meant , of aquiring the now dubbed commissioner gordon of his growth with the team and of the heart break many players have felt having traded him away . this is a fan base that ive been looking for , a fan base worthy of respect and worthy of having a great team in the nba.
so i here by pledge my loyalty to the clippers where eva there ship might sail and while i wasnt aboard for the rough seas please try not to judge me for it for to long :)
ps: i tried searching for the glossary but as someone said it is quite hard to find ;)
Best wishes from a fan of the east coast Clips
That’s right, there’s a Net fan in the house. Our two teams have many shared traits, most of which are too painful to get into here. And why bother? Things are looking great in Clipperland and I’m happy for you. Your team looks terrific and I’ll be rooting for them until they face us in the finals. Best wishes and enjoy what will be a very special run.
66-0
I think we all agree
that its a bad taste in style to wear a lakers jersey in a Clippers-Heat, Suns, Mavs etc. etc… game. I suggest we don’t do the same when the lakers play someone else (Not that Clipper fans will of course).
when you hear the Clippers, it’s not going to be a joke anymore. I can guarantee you that -BG32
so do these rules apply to new fans that arent converting from the lakers?
I officially jumped on the bandwagon once the Clips drafted both of my UGA boys. I’m a die hard UGA fan and all of my pro loyalties are with teams that have players from when i was in college at Georgia. Therefore I am a White Sox fan(Gordon Beckham), Lions(Stafford), Bengals(AJ Green, Geno Atkins), and now a Clippers fan. This will also be my first year being an NBA fan, but trust me I know my sports.
Just need to know how to prove Im not a bandwagon fan(I hate the entire concept of loyalties based on performance). I never leave a game early. And I try not to let my homerism goggles overhype a player. And to put things in perspective, Ive lost my voice yelling at a baseball game.
Anyways, here is to a great season!
Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian
Welcome aboard!
As a Boise State fan, I have a lot of respect for the Dawgs and their fans.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Welcome!
We are looking forward to seeing what Thompkins and Leslie can provide. We are hoping that they are a couple of 2nd Round steals!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Dec 28, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think they are definitely a steal
Trey’s biggest downfall was his conditioning, which was mostly a result of his ankle injury at the beginning of last year. He has obviously worked hard at getting in better shape, and it shows.
Travis has only gotten better and better each year. The talent is there, as you all know, he just has to fine tune the skills. Can the Clippers have their own dunk contest with him and Blake?
Life will always throw you curves, just keep fouling them off... the right pitch will come, but when it does, be prepared to run the bases. ~Rick Maksian
by oneloyaldawg on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
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