Clippers Fandom and Gordon
Alright, I just joined Clips Nation blog. I've been reading this blog since 2001, just never bothered to sign up until now. I'm sure a lot of people have already posted on how they felt on Eric Gordon being traded for Paul, but I'm really starting to wonder. I thought about this long and hard, what actually makes us Clipper fans?
I mean we say a lot of things about how we chose the Clippers ever since World B. Free, or Loy Vaught, but honestly I only started following the Clippers in 2000 (before it was the Knicks because they were always on TNT and TBS and they wore my favorite color blue, I was 10 at the time) due to the fact I found out they existed. Then it was Odom, Miles, Richardson, Dooling and Maggette, and I gotta say Maggette at the time was my favorite Clipper with Miles a close second.
Then we traded Miles for Andre Miller... which I thought was a horrible trade mostly because Miles was someone I loved watching and he WANTED to be a Clipper. He went to the Cavs and I felt never he lived up to his potential. It was like he left and was never the same player.
We traded Chandler and got Brand, which excited me at the time. Brand went on to play for us 6 years with the 7th year of injury and was my favorite player until the betrayal. However let me recount my favorite Clippers and what happened before I go onto what I have to say about Gordon. I loved all these players until they went away, so this list will not include Andre Miller. I'm not going to go into Mobley or Cassell because they left through trades, and Cassell was at the end of his career and wanting a championship.
Clippers that left Disgruntled
Odom - Even though he had marijuana problems, I always loved watching the guy. Then he went to Miami and didn't want the Clippers to Match. After that, his attitude made it seem like he always hated being part of the Clippers.
Miles - Like I said, heartbroken by the trade.
Richardson - I thought they had something going with him, then he asked the Clippers not to match him going to Phoenix. It was like he never wanted to be a Clipper.
Jaric - Went to Timberwolves and same thing.
Olowakandi - Believe it or not, I really like this guy way back when. First couple seasons though before I realized how lazy some players were (I was a kid of 12, so bear with me). To me watching him play under Gentry, I thought he was trying his hardest.
Maggete - Left to the Warriors, it seemed like he really didn't care.
Brand - Well, don't let me get started on Brand. I loved Brand, he was like Mr. Clipper, I want to play hard, I will do my best every game. Then when it came to the end of 2008, he just signed elsewhere. It was like he never wanted to stay in LA but continued to give impressions that he did (which he did save the Clips a lot of cap space because I don't believe he was worth what he would have been paid now in hindsight), but that was like being dumped 10 times over. At this point I followed the Clippers for over 8 years, you could say I bled red white and blue, and this guy ups and leaves.
On these Trades?
Baron - Well first of all, I was bummed we traded Baron. I know he played like a shell of his former self and showed up overweight and uninspired, but when he was traded he actually wanted to stay and his play was steadily improving with the Blake Effect (I'm sure that's a coined term by now), then we just trade him. At first I was kind of upset, Baron had been playing for the Clips 3 years and did his best to keep up his face despite us knowing he was unhappy with losing and not being able to play his way (under Dunleavy), but he still never said anything bad and never caused distraction for the Fans. Even after the trade he was a classy act and didn't have anything bad to say.
I liked Baron, but it was something that Had to happen.
Kaman - 7 years, and although I have had a lot of gripes with him missing layups, he was always fun to watch and seemed to give his best despite having a lot of trouble paying attention. Developed into an all-star, although he now has trouble staying healthy. I never really had an emotional attachment to Kaman, funny as it is.
Gordon - Okay, here's why I don't like this trade. As good as Chris Paul is, and as great as he can make us, I've been a Clips fan not because I like winning but because I just happen to like anyone who suits up for the Clippers. It's part of my identity as a person, I like the Clippers, that's all. So getting Chris Paul is awesome, but losing Eric Gordon really hearts. I know Pelinka might have been pushing for 4 years/18 million, I'm sure agents area always pushing for high numbers, but why didn't the front office have Eric come in and talk to them with the agent? I know, we can say this or that, but although getting Chris Paul is awesome and I bought Dish Network so I can see the games in HD now, it still hurts losing Gordon. Not that Gordon was the best player to ever suit up with the Clippers but because every year he took a leap in improvement, even quietly. He never displayed much of an ego, and he was always there to compete regardless of who was on his team.
I never once saw him as malcontent. I never saw him as someone who was a bad player. In some ways, he's the Clipper player I was most attached to, even more so than Griffin. A lot of us don't know what Griffin is thinking about his future, he says a lot of things but like Deandre, I'm sure he'd sign the highest offer sheet available.
But Gordon? He wanted to negotiate an extension rather than going out on the open market. He wanted to be part of the team, and he wanted to continue here. So trading him hurts, because after seeing player after player leave not wanting to be part of Los Angeles, pushing out Gordon when he wanted to stay was hard for me to accept.
It's like you got a little brother who's getting better everyday, and then you trade him for some guy who just happens to be better than him in the present. That brother is still your brother, even if this new guy might be your new brother, but Gordon had always been a Clipper and never worn another Uniform. Not like Brand who was first a Pull, and not like Deandre who would go elsewhere for just 10-20% more on what is already a huge amount of money.
I'm just saying, as excited as I am to see this new season, I'm going to miss Gordon. I wish we could have just built through the draft and have an organization that's loyal to our own players, but it is what it is. Like a lot of people say about the NBA, leave your emotions at home, it's a business and it's entertainment.
Enjoy the male version of a soap opera.
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Best possible hindsight scenario
We keep Baron, Get the #1 pick.
Draft Irving.
Sign Butler.
Match DJ
Pickup Billups
Trade Kaman, Aminu, Irving and 2012 pick for CP3.
Amnesty Baron
Use leftover Cap space to fill out roster.
by isaacthegrreat on Dec 18, 2011 10:40 AM PST reply actions
That would have been great
but hindsight is always 2020. I felt like we should have stayed the course in some ways. Then again though, it’s going to be an interesting season.
by silence1987 on Dec 18, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
They'd never amnesty BD
So that scenario is not a reasonable one
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I liked Gordon too...
but you lost me when you started waxing nostalgic on his class and lack of ego while ignoring CP3.
Chris Paul has a very similar personality to Gordon – low-key, quietly driven, and classy through and through. He’s more outgoing for sure, but that probably has to do with the scrutiny that comes with being a superstar athlete, something that odds are Gordon won’t have to face.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I know
But he’s a home grown Clipper, not like Paul.
by silence1987 on Dec 18, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Few elite teams have only drafted players
Mavs only had Dirk
Lakers only have Kobe (and I guess you can count Fisher)
Spurs have Duncan, Parker and Ginobili
Heat have Wade
Bulls have Rose and Noah
and so forth
Clippers have DJ and BG. And they will be here for a long time barring some catastrophe.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 18, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Probably why I liked the Clippers
Maybe it was just because they had a lot of younger players for most of the decade… until 2007-2009.
That's what happens when the team generally isn't good
and you don’t resign your players.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 19, 2011 3:09 AM PST up reply actions
Maggs didn't have a choice
The Clips didn’t want to keep him. I’m sure if they offered him a reasonable deal, he would have stayed. The Clips, Clips Nation, and MDSr at the time were obsessed with future Al Thornton. SF has been a point of contention for many years…
"But this decision wasn't about the past. It was about the present and about the future." -Chris Paul
Probably True
But he still had bad things to say.
by silence1987 on Dec 18, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't know this blog was around in 2001
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
It wasn't
Error on my part. It’s been around 2006, but it was on a different site.
I was on ESPN's chatroom since about 2000
…until I discovered this in 08’.
i know i wasnt the only one that made that change.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
homegrown Clippers/building with youth = 4 playoff appearances in 30+ years
time to get over it and embrace change, guys. good god this is getting annoying. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE GOLDEN AGE OF CLIPPERS BASKETBALL, STOP SULKING OVER ERIC F’N GORDON. HE WENT TO NEW ORLEANS, NOT TO GULAG OR SIBERIA OR THE HANOI HILTON.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 18, 2011 2:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
my sentiments exactly
loved that we had a team of homegrown clippers, built through the draft. and yeah we’ve had that in the past, but this team was actually really good. and unlike in the past, we were on the path to re-signing everyone. would loved to have seen the u-23 grow together, but what can you do. ej will always remain my favorite player and i still expect big things from him. its going to take some time to embrace this team.
"The perception here in Los Angeles has always been that the Lakers find a way to win games and the Clippers find a way to lose…I recognize it, but I'm not going to accept it," Griffin said. "I'm not going to say, 'Oh, that's fine."
by TheEricGordonShow on Dec 18, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions
"its going to take some time to embrace this team."
LOLOLOLOL. What the hell is wrong with you people??
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
lol i don't get it either
bizarre, really. makes me think it’s some psychological fear of backing a winner.
by Joe Wolf's Mullet on Dec 19, 2011 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
Dude, totally.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't you hate the trade before it happened?
Proud member of Club FTR. falconPUNCH! for president!
No. I felt we gave up too much, and I still do, but it's a trade we HAD to make.
No one was calling us a title contender pre-CP3. The change in perception alone is worth it.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions

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