DeAndre Jordan and our defense
If there was one good thing to take out of tonights game, it is that DeAndre Jordan is a damn good defender. He used to be just a flashy shot blocker, but now he is much more.
As soon as he came out of the game, our defense collapsed. Yes, Tony Parker was blowing by both Cp3 and Mo. The difference is that CP3 had DJ backing him up on D, and Parker had to pull out of the lane before shooting time and time again. All of a sudden, he gets taken out, and Parker scored 8 straight points effectively putting the Clippers into an unmanageable hole (20 points is too much against the Spurs at home). Mike and Ralph mentioned that Tony started attacking when Mo got put in the game, but I think it was because DJ came out and Cook replaced him.
Basically, we need another big man who can play good help defense. Griffin, for all of his strengths, is a truly awful help defender, and he doesnt have enough length to block many shots. Cook and Griffin were not helping out at all off the pick and roll with Parker, so he was consistently getting open.
However, how do we get such a big? Mo looked bad today, but so did our whole team. We still need him for offense off the bench, because Gomes has to get set up, and Foye looks like complete trash so far: he was the worst player on the court today by far. We need a wing defender (Ariza for example) far less than we do a big, but there arent many players like DJ who dominate the paint.
Nonetheless, here are some moves that I think could help our team.
Suggestion #1: Jordan Hill for the trade exception+ Cook(expiring) or Leslie/2nd rounder. Houston doesnt need him now: they have Scola, Dalembert, and Patrick Patterson, as well as Brad Miller for deep backup. They also want to be players in the 2012 FA class. and need some cap space. Hill is 6'11 and can actually play in the post, automatically pushing him past Cook or Reggie Evans for the backup 5 spot. He can also play the 4, which would again mean less of Cook and Gomes.
Suggestion #2: Randy Foye and Eric Bledsoe for Robin Lopez and a 2nd rounder. This would be a risky gamble by the Clips, as Lopez was garbage last year, but he was very good the previous year, and has looked solid so far this year. He is a big man who can play offense and defense, and would also push out other bigs out of the rotation completely. The Suns need backup at SG, where Jared Dudley is starter, and Bledsoe would be a chance to finally get a competent backup to Steve Nash who could take over the reins one day.
Suggestion #3: Randy Foye and Brian Cook for Chris Wilcox. The Celtics need scoring off the bench, and both of our guys could provide that. Meanwhile, Wilcox is a decent rebounder and defender, and has size. He wouldnt provide much offense, but hopefully with better rotations (starters on floor with bench guys) our bench wont need as much scoring.
Suggestion #4: Sign Ike Diogu for vet min, or Pryzbilla for 2.5 million dollar exception (hell do both). Pryzbilla is certainly the better player, but he is old and injury prone, and might not even want to continue playing basketball. However, if we could get him, he is a good defender and rebounder, and is a legit 7 footer. Ike, of course, is not exactly a breakthrough signing. Nevertheless, he can defend the 5 spot much better than Cook or Evans, and he seemed like a decent defender last year. Also, he is a hustler and energetic player, and our bench certainly needs one of those.
I always like to put polls to gauge opinion, but please also write a response as to what you think besides just answering the poll. Go Clippers! (and get better soon Reggie).
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Przybilla!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
Chris Wilcox? Are you serious?
You said the guy had no offense? He has no defense. Not sure the Celtics would accept that trade. Also, the Clips have Reggie Evans anyway, so we don’t need another undersized backup PF.
- is intriguing, but I think the CLips want to somehow see what they have with Bledsoe before shipping him off. Lopez is now obsolete thanks to Marcin Gortat, but would obviously help our team.
- is the least risky.
- is the best choice. Not sure Houston would pull the trigger though. They unloaded Brian Cook, not sure they want to get him back, even if it’s just to expire his salary.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
Ok, my numbers are all out of wack
Apparently when you press " #2" it formats the numbers. Odd……Sorry for the confusing post
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
I dont think Phoenix or Houston would do these deals really
Especially Houston, since HIll does look good, and their big man rotation is not that deep. I would still rather see Wilcox or Diogu playing then Gomes or Cook.
we’d never get hill. he’s a young prospect and actually pretty good (good enough i picked him up on my fantasy team haha), and htey basically only are renting dalembart for 1 year since he has a cheapish buyout for next year.
miller is done too.
Yeah Hill is doubtful
But you never know with Houston. Morey makes tons of smart moves, but he can also make some really dumb ones also.
What dumb moves has he made?
he’s been fantastic at finding undervalued and overlooked players even when losing 2 superstars.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I guess it would be the moves he has not made really
He has a great supporting cast for a star player, but in 3 years hasnt found one to replace Yao or T-Mac.
The Ariza move was also really bad for him. All he did was chuck 20 shots a game and make about 6.
Getting a superstar is hard
they didnt have cap room because Yao and Tmac were injured. They tried like hell to get Gasol this off-season.
And how was the Ariza signing bad? They got a decent year out of him then traded him for Courtney Lee (a bargain under a rookie scale contract). He creates assets out of his cap space.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Lee is ok
But he is still just a backup.
The guy makes good moves, but the team just doesnt get that much better. Right now, they are relying on Lowry to make the leap from good to very good at the point. They have young guys, and they are talented, but there are no future stars there except maybe Lowry. They are the Pacers/76ers/Bucks of the West.
Well...
that’s kind of the point, they have rebuilt on the fly. It can be argued its better to just suck for a few years and stockpile some lottery picks but he’s shown you can essentially pick up good players via trades, cap space, late draft picks by using some advanced metrics. Not every team is lucky enough to land a Griffin, James, Howard etc in a draft especially when you’ve been .500+ for years.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
agreed, he wants to sell tickets and win games
not just tank. if he got gasol he would’ve had a legitimate roster
the man’s one of the top GM’s in the league!
Hmm
1. Can’t include players (Cook or Leslie in this case) with the exception. The Clips could offer the exception plus some 2nd round picks for Hill. Probably not enough unless the Rockets really dislike Hill for some reason.
2. This one is at least plausible. Suns don’t really need Lopez and he’s a RFA next summer. If they feel like they can’t resign him then he could be available. Normally I think a team would include cash to cover Foye’s contract but since this is DTS we’re talking about I don’t see that happening.
3. Wilcox really doesn’t help but Cook and Foye are so bad this is addition through subtraction.
4. Definitely go have Przybilla and Diogu is a possible plan B if Przybilla goes to the Heat or Mavs.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
I didnt know that about players and exceptions- I thought you just couldnt combine exceptions
I actually really like the Lopez deal, but it would be pretty risky. My first move would definitely be the Diogu and Pryzbilla route.
No more Gomes (at the 4) or Cook ever again!
In some ways I do think we will make a trade though. We need a couple backup bigs and another backup wing. Some combination of Bogans, Diogu, Pryzbilla hopefully. I wouldnt even mind waiving/amnestying Cook if that was the case.
Well
I’m not 100% sure on the traded player exceptions, I’m just going off what I believe SP has said in the past.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Number 3 is terrible
I like number 2 the best
I Like the Clippers.. I also use clippers to cut my hair
I'm hoping DJ
shows major improvement, especially on offense, if the whole “lob city” thing gets going at some point. If he’s looking like he’s easily worth the 10mil, he’ll play himself straight into the Dwight Howard trade talks. I think something forgotten in the whole bynum talks, is bynum’s contract will expire next season. So if he’s everything orlando wants and more in a center, what if he hates orlando too? and then they’re back in the same situation next season with him suggesting he’ll weigh his options and might want to play in a big market too. Granted, Bynum is no superstar, so if Orlando wants to keep him, they’ll have his bird rights and probably can overpay him, but still looking at Nene’s contract and Tyson’s, I wouldn’t be surprised if some other team was willing to give Bynum near max money.
As for back up, yea, I want the Vanilla Gorilla. I don’t see the problem with at least bringing in someone undrafted or let go of in training cap, or from the D-league until Pryz decides on his future though. Might as well take a shot at a Keith Benson, or Hubbard, or Ely on non guaranteed contracts and if Pryz decides to come in, we can release them before the February deadline.
Ike
no questions asked, hands down, best value for your money and we know what we’re getting
"The Milkshake" & DJ dunking on people.
















