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Phoenix Suns 108 - Los Angeles Clippers 99 - The Dunk That Wasn't

The Clippers just can't get healthy. Just when it seemed they would finally get an extended look at a fully active roster, another major cog in the lineup went out of commission. This time it was DeAndre Jordan, who, after battling through a viral infection yesterday against the Cavaliers, had been hospitalized overnight with a mild case of pneumonia. With the still-in-playoff-contention Suns presenting the second challenge of a back-to-back, the Clippers would have to go without Jordan's long-armed defense for a full 48 minutes Sunday afternoon.

The question is, how much did the Clippers really miss Jordan in the Suns' 108-99 win? Sure, they could have used his presence in the paint, where the Suns shot 18-for-29, Steve Nash tossing in his patented wrong-footed fall-away jumpers when he wasn't feeding a wide-open Marcin Gortat rolling to the cup. But in a game that was close most of the way before they melted down in the fourth quarter, the Clippers suffered from what can accurately be described as a plain lack of aggressiveness on both ends of the floor. Having Jordan would have helped, but it wouldn't have been enough to completely mask the Clippers' listless defense or mental errors down the stretch.

Star-divide

If you wanted to go off statistics alone, this was a relatively mistake-free contest. The two teams combined for 18 turnovers (10 by the Clippers), as well as 30-36 shooting from the free-throw line (14-for-17 for the Clippers), and largely stayed out of foul trouble until tempers flared and boos rained down from the Staples Center stands near the end of the game. More on that later.

But lack of execution is a mistake in its own right, and the Clippers simply didn't have it today. Blake Griffin (17 points) shot 6-for-18 and grabbed a career-low two rebounds, marking the seventh straight game he has failed to reach double digits on the glass. It didn't help that Griffin had to guard Channing Frye, who floated around the perimeter for most of the afternoon, but a two-rebound performance by someone who reeled off a 27-game double-double streak earlier in the season is still cause for head-scratching. Eric Gordon, who after the game admitted he was "drained" from playing 41 minutes yesterday in returning from injury, struggled to get to the hoop and finished with 10 points on 4-for-11 shooting. Mo Williams' 18-point, seven-rebound, seven-assist line looks a lot better than it really is, considering he scored 11 of his points in the final 6:35, when the Clippers made a desperate but unsuccessful attempt at a comeback. With Jordan out, Kaman started for just the ninth time this season and put up 21 points and 11 rebounds, but he gave back plenty on the other end of the floor, where Gortat largely roamed free for 17 points and 13 rebounds. Randy Foye got off to a fast start, going 4-for-5 and making his first three 3-pointers, but went scoreless in the second half.

And those were the Clippers' top five scorers. Aside from Foye, the bench scored just 17 points, a total that was dwarfed by a 51-point performance by the Suns' second unit. When Steve Nash is being Steve Nash (23 points, 13 assists), Channing Frye is hitting 3-pointers left and right (five long-range bombs on his way to 29 points), and Jared Dudley, Hakim Warrick and Zabian Dowdell combine for 34 points off the bench, you better have an answer. The Clippers didn't, not from their starters and not from anyone else.

Defense is the starting point for this discussion. The Clippers actually outscored the Suns in the paint (42-36), but Phoenix was more efficient both inside and outside (10-for-22 from 3-point range). It all began with the Suns' No. 1 option, the pick-and-roll, as Nash was his usual brilliant self at drawing multiple defenders and threading beautiful bounce passes to teammates who either finished at the rim or kicked it out to an open shooter spotting up behind the arc. With the Clippers defense in constant disarray, Nash, all 180 pounds of him, looked like an older brother picking on a hapless younger sibling. Had the Clippers not shot 9-for-20 from downtown, they would have had an even more difficult time keeping up with an offense they time and again failed to stop.

On the other side of the ball, the Clippers weren't much better. Williams missed six of his first seven shots and looked out of sync with both Gordon and Griffin. Some of that can be attributed to the Clippers' top two scorers having terrible games - though Gordon's tentativeness and Griffin's ineffectiveness were further amplified by the Suns' swarming D - but this is something to keep a close eye on in upcoming weeks. Will Williams eventually mesh with Gordon, with whom he has played only three games, or will he labor to develop any chemistry with his shooting guard? Baron Davis may not have been the easiest person to play with, but he did know when and where to get his teammates the ball. Will Williams be able to do the same, at least to some extent, for Gordon?

And what about Williams and Griffin? I counted a few times when Williams could have attempted a Davis-like lob to Griffin or set him up with a quick pass. But more often than not, Williams pulled the ball out, opting to reset the offense rather than make a pass that might, for him, be deemed too risky. It's a delicate line that Williams will have to tiptoe every game with such tantalizing weapons at his side, but when he's not hitting his own shots (1-for-4 from 3) or orchestrating easy scores, that's a concern.

With all that said, the Clippers still had their chances today. They may not have been able to stop the Suns offense, but their own attack was mostly coordinated save for several breakdowns. The problem was, the biggest breakdowns came in the final period. After entering the fourth quarter with an 81-78 deficit, the Clippers didn't score until the 7:03 mark, when Gordon made probably his first aggressive drive to the hoop all game. But even as the Clippers offense made a timid return, the Suns kept responding with even more baskets of their own. Then with about four minutes left, the following happened:

Griffin, obviously frustrated after having an offensive foul and a personal foul called on him in the span of mere seconds, got the ball after setting a high screen for Williams, and with only Gortat between him and the basket, took off just outside the restricted area and threw down a vicious, one-handed dunk over the Suns big man. The entire building gasped before bursting into stunned celebration - the sequence was eerily reminiscent of the now-famous Mozgov dunk, only Griffin had gone airborne even farther away from the hoop and the ball rattled around the rim a few times before dropping.

Except it didn't count. Even though Gortat had appeared to move slightly just before he was knocked to the ground by the frightening force of Griffin's momentum, head official Steve Javie signaled for a charge. It was Griffin's sixth foul of the game, and he ran downcourt holding the ball in disbelief before angrily tossing it away, drawing a technical that further compounded the Clippers' troubles. The Staples Center crowd booed lustily and continued to do so for the remainder of the game. Had the play stood - and you could argue that it should have - the dunk would have sprung to the top of Griffin's ridiculous highlight list. Even Alvin Gentry agreed.

"That was one hell of a dunk," the Suns coach said after the game. "I don't care if it was a charge. That might be as impressive of a dunk as I have seen in the NBA in 23 years. I think that was the best dunk he's had since he was in the league."

Strong statements by someone who's watched a lot of basketball. But Gentry also was the one enjoying a victory afterward. Even if the dunk had counted, the Clippers still would have faced a 97-86 deficit with just minutes to go. This game was lost early in the fourth quarter, when the Clippers repeatedly failed to put the ball in the hoop as the Suns charged ahead. Had Griffin's monstrous slam stood, I think even he would have left the arena shaking his head in disgust.

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I am not a psychoanalyst

but it seems obvious to me Blake does not like the Suns. I really wonder if he resents them letting his brother go. He really plays angry against them plus I think the knee to Nash’s thigh at the end of the 1st quarter was not an accident. He was really chippy last game too.
Also, back to back 12:30 games does not cut it. The Clips redheaded stepchild treatment with the Lakers scheduling at Staples sucks sometimes.

by PV Mike on Mar 20, 2011 5:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Luckily, with Blake becoming a huge box-office draw around the league...

I think the days of us always getting the crappy game times are over.

Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Gators // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin

by 82-0 on Mar 20, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think...

the crappy game times compared to the lakers is part of the clippers contract with staples, that DTS agreed to. that is why majority of the clip home games are on weds night. i read an article on it maybe a year ago

by micmac36 on Mar 21, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had the same feeling. Taylor was cut by the Suns..rarely played.

Blake is very close to his brother. I think there is something to that.

by tenkaistar on Mar 20, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the game

I have never heard any crowd boo an opposing team for the last 5 minutes and on every possession! That Griffin dunk was the best was this year so far and it was no foul at all! Gortat was moving and one of his heels was on the line! Steve Javie should be fired!!!

Man I got them buzzin' buzzin' buzzin' buzzin, Like da-da-da-da-da-da-da -Mann

by Jayq on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

instead of booing

you should have gotten the fans to start chanting something like
“Javie Sucks! Javie Sucks!”

its a universal term that can be used on both any possession rather than just BOOO during Suns possessions

Baron Davis, "OHH YEAAH!"

by KidJustin on Mar 21, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly, that's what I was thinking.

The fans should have gone there – and that’s something I usually don’t condone.

by eastie Rich on Mar 21, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don'

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Mar 21, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Error

I don’t think most of the fans knew the name of the official.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Mar 21, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

While the Javie call didn't really affect the outcome of the game much

it was just more evidence of how horrible NBA officiating and officials are. Also, the rules are stupid, too. I think they should just get rid of charges altogether.

Watching someone slide in front of a moving player at the last minute to create a collision and draw a foul is senseless.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Mar 21, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree. streetball eye-test?

if you did that in a pick-up game (as in slid under me while i was in the air), i’d probably get up off the floor and deck you. it’s a dangerous play, and a cheap alternative to oh-i-don’t-know actually playing some frickin’ defense.

i know this because Blake takes quite a number of charges, but doesn’t actually play good defense.

by ill! on Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Summary Evaluation

Great Summary—No drop off from Steve’s excellent work. Wish the Clips were doing as well.

by Ric Caric on Mar 20, 2011 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Weird game

Clips didn’t play very well, but kept the game close. But it never felt like the Clips could bring it up a notch to grab the win, especially with EJ and Blake not playing very well.

Defense was awful. Mo and Foye on the floor together is a bad idea. Both of them were getting abused, and with no DJ to cover the middle, Kaman was getting juked all over the place.

by Piatkowski on Mar 20, 2011 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope it is just the wrist and rust

but EJ’s handle has regressed back to the old EJ that past two games.

by PV Mike on Mar 20, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Javie

Why am I not surprised that Javie made a call that put himself into the spotlight?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Mar 20, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

as soon as i heard the whistle, i knew it was going to be a charge

especially with Blake’s stare-down on the previous possession and Javie walking over to bitch to VDN about it during a stoppage. obviously it was a bad call, but Blake’s gotta learn that righteous indignation will get you nowhere with NBA refs, especially Javie/Crawford/Salvatore/Palmer.

and of course for the next Clip possessions, there were a few ‘make-up’ calls… typical.

by ill! on Mar 20, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

But...

I could see that being a charge. Gortat was there before Griffin, and looked like he was set right as Griffin took off – though I did see his left foot move a little at point of contact. It’s a 50/50 call in my book, and he chose charge on Griff.

Either way, Javie is not a favorite ref of mine, but the Clips’ have only themselves to blame for this loss.

by Rob Lo on Mar 21, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh well i'll just call this one an offensive foul.

The refs pick and choose their calls. I don’t think it’s an offensive foul. Gortat was not fully set..he was still moving.

by tenkaistar on Mar 21, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually..

while your review is correct in a logical basis…

More often then not, a 50/50 call usually favors the offensive players (why? It just happens that way). So a 50/50 call is more like a 50.5/49.5 call.

In this case, that thinking was distorted since Javie already had a slight grudge with Blake. I bet you…had the previously play involved Gortat complaining/staring at Javie. Then the Blake “Non-Dunk” would have been a dunk and 1 foul, shoot a free throw

Just as Blake reacted to his emotions of the moment, so did Javie…which at that moment was like..“….this Blake kid………”

Baron Davis, "OHH YEAAH!"

by KidJustin on Mar 21, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

game management

This is a classic example of why Blake needs to tone down his complaints to the refs throughout the game. He tends to whine a lot and when you get these close calls late in games with a ref who holds grudges you see the results. It looked like a charge to me, but it was close. Overall I thought the refs did a good job. Low free throws, good continuity.

by maxzingo on Mar 22, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

commenting from HK

im worried about BG…. Where did the rebounding go? :(

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 20, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Gordon was supposed to help his rebounding

We need to make up a new story. Someone will have to get back to you.

by John R on Mar 20, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

well you realize he was guarding frye

who just chills 25 feet from the basketball the whole game

by Dawool Huh on Mar 20, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

seven games in a row?

I was worried he was playing too many minutes early on and it seems to have finally taken its toll. They need to limit his minutes to avoid injuring him.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 20, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like that Blake is rebounding so little lately. He's a guy that I always want attacking the boards..relentlessly.

It’s one of his strengths..rebounding. I know some nights the ball doesn’t bounce your way, but he should not be grabbing single digit rebounds.

by tenkaistar on Mar 20, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rookie Wall

He’s averaging 38 minutes and has played every game. Since Kaman went down in Nov. he’s facing double and triple teams consistently. He is a high energy player who has taken a lot of hard fouls over the course of the season. I think the length of the NBA season is the reason his numbers are down lately. He’s also missing the easy dunks Baron got him.

by maxzingo on Mar 22, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Javie has been at this for quite some time

Some choice quotes from Sir Charles sit-down with Neil Hartman

On the 1987 version of referee Steve Javie:

“Steve was still an ass back then too.” from the 700level.com

Steve Javie always seems to feel the need to let superstar players know that he runs the show…… Blake you have just been javied

by Chris O'Reilly on Mar 20, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Well

Gordon is back. So I guess we have to blame the refs now when they lose to non-playoff teams at home?

by John R on Mar 20, 2011 7:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Can you give the Gordon bashing a rest for a little while?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 20, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s not a Gordon bash.

by Michael White on Mar 20, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Semi Gordon bash

He’s always maintained the position that Gordon isn’t that awesome.

A lot of Clipsnation fans were saying we were losing without our awesome player, Eric Gordon.

John R – "well your “awesome player” that was supposed to take the team over the hump is now back…and nothing is different…the Clips still lost…so how much of an effect did EJ have? None."

That’s how I read it.

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by Newton Pham on Mar 21, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not bashing Gordon. He’s “bashing” CN commenters. The excuse for poor play and drop off play by Griffin has been that Gordon hasn’t been around. He’s pointing out the team and Griffin underperformed anyway despite Gordon being back. It’s poking fun at the excuses.

by Michael White on Mar 21, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know - I read it differently

But is this really something to be spending much time on?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 21, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Griffin looked fine in Gordon's first game back

Gordon admitted he was winded, so perhaps the Gordon-excuse is still valid, as long as it’s a “Griffin with a 100% Gordon”-excuse.

But more importantly, I wouldn’t have thought Griffin’s rebounding has anything to do with whether EJ is playing or not, but rather his FG%. He shot a great % in both of EJ’s first (and rested) return-games. This is just a tiny, tiny sample size to be dealing with to make assumptions either way, to be honest. Blake’s 2 boards are inexcusable though. Partially, Kaman getting 11 boards (well above his season average), and the combination of Foye, EJ, and Williams getting 16 boards indicates some rebounding-cannibalism, and it’s not as if the Clippers got out-rebounded, but Phoenix isn’t exactly leading the league in rebounding either. Blake obviously had a frustrating game, which might be why he wasn’t hustling much. He’s also a tired rookie who’s never played this many games.

I can continue waltzing down excuse-alley, but at the end of the day, Blake had a bad game last night, and whether it may or may not have had anything to do with Eric Gordon returning isn’t worth arguing without more games being played.

EJ’s return was expected to raise Blake’s

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Mar 21, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is just a tiny, tiny sample size to be dealing with to make assumptions either way, to be honest

Yes. Absolutely.

by Michael White on Mar 21, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

cool typo, erik

dumbass

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Mar 21, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like I'm in uni literature class

“what the author really means is…blah blah”

“no no…what the author REALLY mean is yadda yadda”

hahahahah

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by Newton Pham on Mar 21, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't think his bashing gordon

if anything he’s actually being nice to him, he is bashing the team

by XXDC2XX on Mar 21, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Right

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Mar 21, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or he could be saying

The team sucks, with or without Gordon.

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by Newton Pham on Mar 21, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you know what they say about guys with small sample sizes...

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Mar 21, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

fail.

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by Newton Pham on Mar 21, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really think that now matter how impressive Kaman's stats look, and how much he has helped the 2nd unit

He just cant be a starter on this team. DJ plays much better with him, and since Mo, EJ, and Blake should all have priority over him, he plays better with the 2nd unit, since he can be the primary option for them.

In the startint lineup, his tendency to be a total black hole leads to far fewer touches for Blake in particular, but also for our wings, since Kaman isnt as good of a passer out of the low block.

In other words, he either needs to understand that he is a 6th man on this team, and still play 25-35 minutes depending on the night, or he can take his skills elsewhere. His defense also makes Mo and Foye look like All-Nba defenders. His hlelp is non-existent, and it was more because of his defense that Gortat was scoring endlessly on the PnR.

by NewCavsfan on Mar 20, 2011 8:05 PM PDT reply actions  

DJ....

is getting into early foul trouble so you can blame him for the extra time he spends on the bench. And when he is playing well, VDN pulls him cause we can’t score. That’s also DJ’s lack of an offensive game that gets him taken out.

 Also, BG put up 18 shots today. Williams 13, and EJ took 11. EJ was the one passing to Kaman all day today so you have to blame EJ for deferring to him.

If the rational is that DJ plays better as a starter, that is because he doesn’t have an offensive game and by default, others have to take more shots. And we aren’t a uptempo team anymore so he becomes more of a liability now since he isn’t getting the ball in the paint as much as he was before.
  It wasn’t about Kaman today, it was about our best players playing subpar. Griffin and Gordon played horrible. It was a game because Kaman was scoring, and getting offensive boards, and blocking shots. Yes, the pick and roll ate him up but lets be real, it would have been worse with DJ.

By the way, VDN already said that Kaman will be our starter.

by clipper*joe on Mar 20, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about the foul trouble and DJs lack of offense

But the 2nd unit will not be able to score with DJ on it. Bledsoe is still too inconsistent, Foye is streaky, and nobody else can put up more than 10 points on any given night. This afternoon’s terrible bench showing with Kaman on the 1st unit will be almost exactly what happens even when DJ comes back.

In other words, I strongly disagree with VDN’s statement. The 2nd unit needs offense, Kaman needs to be the main option: they work hand in hand.

I HIGHLY agree with you that EJ needs to be less deferential. You are the best player on this team, so show it. I understand him being tired for this one game, but I hope it doesnt become a habit.

by NewCavsfan on Mar 20, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you're implying that DJ isn't good enough to be a backup

Not sure I agree, but the Clippers do need better depth. Signing a solid small forward should help strengthen the overall rotation as should the development of Aminu and Bledsoe.

by ClipCat on Mar 21, 2011 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Poor logic

DJ fits better because does not ask for the ball and the points he scores are off of hustle plays and someone on the team missing a basket. You also forgor to mention VDN uses Jordan to close out games because teams cannot attack the rim as often as they do with a liability front tandem of Griffin and Jordan.

VDN plays Kaman the time he does because he makes 11mil and we have to the same instance you bring up with Jordan on offense with fouling (which has been down as of late) Vinny instantly has to pull Kaman for defensive reasons and his unforced TO’s. Kaman has always been an overrated pick and roll player and Jordan at least would of ran and gave a hard foul to stop the countless time Kaman stood by and watched Gortat go by him.

Kaman has yet to deserve his spot back as a starter when he can’t close out games for the team when Jordan is suppose to be the weak link in the 4th. His shooting has been inconsistent as well and his best floor time is when he plays alongside Jordan. Time will show that Kaman will be forced back to his lazy effort in games or he will get injured traveling on his second unneeded pump fake to the basket.

by KillaClip on Mar 21, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

Kaman averages less than 1/2 TO a game than DJ does. And when you really look at it, Kaman has his hands on the ball twice as much as DJ does. Add to that, DJ’s TO averages are mostly 3 second violations…Without the freaking ball. DJ also has greasy hands under the basket. He’d be averaging more TO’s if he’d get the ball under the basket and had to make a move. He can’t create even if they gave him the ball…So they don’t.

 And when we look at defense under the rim, it’s easy to see that Kaman can block bigs straight up and DJ gets most of his on weak side blocks against guards. I’ve never seen DJ block a big straight up.

by clipper*joe on Mar 21, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

same mistakes different area

I can point to Jordans mistakes as be young and and having his first season as a starting big its been 8 years for Kaman what is his excuse. Kaman has had quite a fair share of 3 seconds violations and for every one or two violation by Jordan there are two traveling calls against Kaman if you are going to ride the stick as an offensive player and the stats are going to look worse with Jordan playing more games and having learning curves.

Still not getting how people can use bad hands as a argument in favor of Kaman over Jordan when DJ has great hands if not on the same level as Kaman the passes he misses are the ones thrown majority of the time by Bledsoe when he tries to be overly flashy and mimic Baron. Lol Kaman averages his TO’s when the team asks him to create to the opposite nature wouldn’t Kaman average more TO’s if the team asked him to finish in u transistion like DJ I can and have seen him lose the ball on the break or instead if going straight up try to flip reverse and epic fail.

As far as defense I’ve seen Jordan block guys on man defense one that comes to mind is his man to man block on NeNe. In general DJ gets his blocks on smaller guys becase the team primarily uses zone defense to hide our weaker defenders so DJ blocking smaller guards who try to penetrate and his ability to force guards out the paint is more valuable than Kamans man defense block. Teams attack the paint so much harder when Griffin and Kaman play together so much that at all times in the 4th Vinny has to pair one of them with Jordan which is a huge showing of respect for Jordan. Those blocks are huge boost because Kaman wont help Blake when he struggles with his assignment Jordan focuses on coming over and helping which inflates his own foul trouble. With all that Jordan has potential to be so much better if he continues to work hard.

by KillaClip on Mar 22, 2011 12:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If a Black Hole puts up 20-10 numbers ...

Is that a bad thing? Kaman excelled in every aspect of the game last night; at the very least better than anybody else out there.. He finished around the rim, dunked (did I say Kaman dunked? Yes, he did dunk!), blocked shots, rebounded. They needed every minute of him. He made Lopez look pretty dispensible.

Even if DJ was available, Chris would have earned 30-35 minutes. So it doesn’t matter who starts. If Chris plays 30-35 minutes, he’s on the court with the 1st unit anyway.

by Thretch on Mar 21, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lopez has been terrible before Kaman

Kaman would of been pulled and only played his usual 20 something mintues his defense was terrible and again he was inconsistent throughout the game. Not to mention I count two travels he got away with in the game. He sniff nowhere 36 minutes in this game with a healthy DJ and the way he was playing.

by KillaClip on Mar 21, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

"would have" "could have" "if"

well, the fact is, Chris DID play and DJ did not. Chris put up big offensive numbers. If he played less that 36 minutes, LAC would have taken points off the board.

What’s the issue with the “two travels he got away with”? Those are not turnovers. Plus add in what Clipper*Joe referred to about DJ’s turnovers (3-seconds and more frustratingly the dropped passes) and it’s hard to see that DJ would have offered more than Chris in this game.

I get that you strongly dislike Kaman, but please give it a rest on a day when he leads the team in points and rebounds. Hey, he dunked … we should celebrate this as National Chris Kaman day, cause you might not see it again for a while!

by Thretch on Mar 21, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris put up big numbers and gave up big numbers

Joe did not mention the Chris Kaman specials over the years the classic traveling after creating space, his own 3 second violations (which have went down as oflate because he rarely attempts a post move and is a catch and shoot player more offer) and the instant TO when doubled. You could argue if DJ develops in a area to be doubled it could be the same but Jordan is a much better passer than Kaman something that has gone underrated in his development.

Kaman has always had the ability to dunk anytime he wants and is athletic enough to run up and down the court the problem is he chooses not to he would rather over the years go for the trick shots than the simple dunks and it would ofmade his percentages over the years so much better if he did the simple task.
Last its about heart Jordan may not give you 20 and 10 but he will give you the effort and hustle that truly helps a team win games. You made my point even more clear you can’t win with Kaman he will get his stats there is something more needed than stat to win games and Kaman does not have it I don’t even think he cares.

by KillaClip on Mar 22, 2011 3:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ej admitted he was gassed today

from playing so many minutes yesterday against the Cavs after the long layoff.

by PV Mike on Mar 20, 2011 9:31 PM PDT reply actions  

But EJ said....

No excuses and we got to play hard as if we’re still in the play-offs.

by clipper*joe on Mar 20, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Limitations of the 3 Guard Lineup

The Suns exposed many of the potential flaws in the 3 guard lineup.

Rebounding:
-Jared Dudley ended up with 5 offensive rebounds while getting 6-8 points off those rebounds. It appeared that Foye was suppose to be guarding Dudley then.

-Dudley really played with a lot of effort today. He even gave the Suns a quick 4-0 swing with a quick steal immediately after a Suns made basket.

-While the 3 guard lineup should give the Clippers more quickness in closing out 3 point shooters, Dudley was still able to get 2-3 3’s.

Post Defense:
-The Suns main post up options were Hill and Carter. Both players did an incredible job converting on seemingly every post up they had. Why so easy? These players had nice height advantages while posting Gordon, Foye, and even Williams at one point.

-What hurt the Clippers a lot here was that they switched on seemingly every screen the Suns so frequently set. With all that switching and Steve Nash’s passing, the Suns were bound to get mismatches in the post.

Overall, I think the Suns came in with a good plan and really executed it well. In the first half, there were signs that the 3 guard Clipper lineup was still paying dividends when Foye was in double digits, but that did not continue in the 2nd half.

Over the last 2 games, the Clippers have been using the 3 guard lineup for very long (atypical) stretches with mixed results. Should the Clippers put more trust in their small forwards? Was the 3 guard lineup just utilized inefficiently against the Suns?

by ClipperTheorist on Mar 20, 2011 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

All excellent points

You broke it down better than I could have. There are certain advantages to the three-guard lineup (versatility, outside shooting, fast breaks, etc.), but matchups against certain teams should come into consideration, too. With Gomes and Aminu not contributing much, I can understand why Vinny would be inclined to lean on this lineup, but the Suns certainly took advantage of the Clippers perimeter defense. Gordon has the potential to be a lockdown defender, but as mentioned above, he was fatigued against Phoenix, and Mo and Foye — both of whom already are less than stellar defensively — were often matched up against much bigger opponents.

by Dennis Lin on Mar 21, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Offense

I really blame this game on the Clippers’ offense. Just not very aggressive. How many FTs did we have in the first half/

I’m not so upset at Phoenix’s better bench play … they have some pretty good players coming of the bench. Warrick, Gortat, Pietrus, Dudley. Better bench than LAC … I would expect these results.

by Thretch on Mar 21, 2011 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Weak simplistic offense

But even worse defense. For some reason guys feel the need to always leave their man to double the guy with the ball when he gets close. Resulting in their defensive assignment to drift away and land an open shot.

I love Nash but no reason he needs to get doubled anywhere on the floor. He may be ancient but he’ll find the open man when the defense gets sloppy.

The offense is no different than Dunleavy’s schemes, but hey, it works every now and again with players like Blake and EJ who require incredible attention. If only this team could actually play some damn defense.

by dulciusXasperis on Mar 21, 2011 8:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Phoenix is one of those scrappy teams that

although not overpowering, once they find a little hole in the defense, they exploit it to the nth degree. That’s what they did yesterday. As this team grows they will be able to adjust defensively.

by rouse77 on Mar 21, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Gordon should of checked his ego

Baron made Gordon play more within himself and when Gordon has to do more like this game and future games his mistakes are going to look bigger than he expected. Gordon wants to be the man but it’s going to hit him he was better off with a player that helped him create his 3pt shot and brought attention to one side of the floor away from Gordon so it allowed him more space to operate when he had the ball.

by KillaClip on Mar 21, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

disallowing dunks like blake's in this game is like killing a unicorn

I’m so f***ing sick of these nba refs, this is disgraceful to the game at this point. Imagine your favorite play of all time, now imagine it when you look to closely at a ref that has been unfairly skewing the whole game. If it wasn’t bad enough grant hill took 4 charges and gortat set about 10 moving screens we have to endure this! OUR ONE THING THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THIS HORRIBLE SEASON SUFFERABLE IS BLAKE’S DUNKS YOU LOUSEY SOB JAVIE.

wine um, dine um, 69 um

by flightofthegriffin on Mar 21, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha - True Hoop called it Gortat Being Vaporized!

How Javie could make such a horrible call – incredible.

by eastie Rich on Mar 21, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well think how epic the dunk is when people may infact start saying...

You got Gortated!

…and the dunk didn’t even count

……other than that. In next years Slam Dunk contest, Blake should dunk over Steve Javie and then hold up a sign saying “Still think it was an offensive foul?”

Baron Davis, "OHH YEAAH!"

by KidJustin on Mar 21, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok I didn't want to say it

but the Clips have a different look on the floor since the trade, not as many easy points, Is it Baron’s passing they are missing? Or have opposing teams been studying the scouting reports a bit more?

by rouse77 on Mar 21, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I hated Baron, but I've got to agree,

they sure are missing his passing. He came around this year and he was just was BG and DJ needed.

by eastie Rich on Mar 21, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my opinion,

Most of our passing is now side to side with the “let them work” mentality or ISO’s. Too predictable and too stagnant. Hate to say it, Griffin is our best passer on this team. We have no player that can break down the defense and kick out. The best we have is Griffin on an ISO and after the dbl/triple team, he finds the open man.

by clipper*joe on Mar 21, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda like the way the team looks with Bledsoe on the floor

He’s still making mistakes here and there and gets ahead of himself sometimes but his speed, which allows him to get by his defender, really opens up the floor for the rest of the guys. He just needs to develop his vision and passing ability.

But look how far he’s come since summer league. I have faith he’ll develop into a nice player for this team.

by dulciusXasperis on Mar 21, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope his (Baron's) injuries make Cleveland so sick that they buy him out

so we can resign him…for cheaper!

..assuming his injuries are Clipper-standard okay

Baron Davis, "OHH YEAAH!"

by KidJustin on Mar 21, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he gets bought out I would imagine that Miami might take a chance on him

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Mar 21, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

horrible, horrible call

that dunk belongs in the highlight reels. the bad call keeps it out. it was a block followed by a horrible flop.

by jon y on Mar 21, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

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