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Mo vs. Bledsoe

Have to say, it's kinda sad and boring to be a Clipper fan right now.  Lots of reasons, most of them obvious.  I thought that getting Eric Gordon back, with a healthy Chris Kaman, would be exciting and solve everything.  But it's pretty tough when the games don't matter, and we don't even have tanking to hold our interest.  When the Clips go up against a truly hungry, motivated teams like the Suns and 76ers, they look terrible.  When they play bad teams like the Cavs and tonight's opponent, the Wizards, the whole spectacle is pretty pathetic.  If our wunderkind Blake Griffin was beasting every time out it might be different, but he has been caught up in the general malaise.  Griffin misses Baron Davis (although Eric Gordon probably doesn't), as do many of us, though nobody misses him being overpaid for inconsistent effort, focus, and judgment, and we don't miss his bad knee and bad back.  

At least Mo Williams is healthy (for now).  But we've seen a pretty good sample of Mo-time, and I'd say it has been mixed.  We haven't seen a lot of Mo as a complementary player to a healthy Eric Gordon, but I think we can guess that it's going to be pretty much the same.  He can shoot better than BD, he can pass the ball a little bit, he can get his own shot at times.  His defense is poor.  His shot selection can be iffy.  He's a little streaky, and the streaks don't always seem to happen at the most opportune moments, tho you never know.  All in all, he's a nice piece, and he could be a solid component of next year's effort to reach the playoffs.  At 9-10 mil or whatever it is, he's overpaid at something like the same ratio that Baron Davis was overpaid.  But the dollars are significantly less, which means that they can be spent somewhere else.  How (and if) they're spent is a different discussion.  The question that I have is whether Mo Williams is better than Eric Bledsoe, and if he should be the presumptive starter going into next season.

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I'm a little shocked to find myself even asking this question.  Bledsoe seemed more promising than I expected, but he was raw and all over the place in the summer league.  Even when BD was out for an extended period and he filled in capably as the starter, surprising all of us, he seemed deeply flawed and still a long way, as much as a couple of years, away from taking the position by right.  Davis, displaying skill, confidence, and experience, showed how much Bledsoe needed to improve as soon as he came back.  But then things got mixed up, with Gordon injured for an extended period, BD wearing down and getting shipped out, and Mo arriving.  Mo and Randy Foye played their modest game with Gordon out, and Bledsoe contributed too.  We waited for Gordon to return, to make it all better.  As we were doing so, however, Bledsoe mounted some charges and put in some runs that were a match for just about anything put up by Williams or Foye.  He seemed to be playing at their level, all of them showing flashes of strong play, none of them consistently exerting their will in a determined fashion.  If Bledsoe looked a little bit better because of a few athletic plays, his standard pair of early unforced turnovers balanced things out.

But now Eric Gordon is finally back.  Again, the games right no don't seem to offer much to get excited about, but the competition should improve.  The question is whether the Clippers can find some spark and some fire, if they can be good and compete with good teams that are angling for playoff position.  And I have to say that I'm skeptical of the Mo Williams experiment.  We'll see if he sets up guys and gets the team off to a good start, and they play their way into leads and hold onto them.  Maybe it's just me, but since Bledsoe's recent mini-surge, it seems like the team plays better when he comes in at the point, and he's just a better fit somehow.  And that makes me curious about what he might be like as the starter.  That is, as the starter on a team where BDavis is no longer expected to come back.

Part of it is defense and athleticism.  Bledsoe, and Aminu and Griffin along with him, needs to turn his athleticism and physical gifts into becoming a strong and consistent defender.   His athleticism will make him a much better matchup on defense against the league's elite PGs than Mo Williams.  That's going to take some time, just as it is going to for Aminu and Griffin.  Along with DeAndre Jordan, the U23 team can turn into a very tough defensive team, if they work at it.  Eric Gordon is already there, and Jordan is properly focused on playing defense.

And the other factor is improvement and "upside."  As I said, Mo Williams seems to be a known factor at this point.  But Bledsoe has already surprised us a couple of times this season (and he has frustrated us at times as well), and his improvement has been striking and better than expected.  We'll see now if he can pull off a late season surge.  Beyond that, with the focus of an off-season hardcore like Griffin (and DJ with him), his improvement from May to October could be stunning.  

Lastly, doesn't Mo Williams seem like a guy who would be really effective coming off the bench for a great team?  Just sayin.

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I like that Mo can make jumpers and 3 pointers with pretty good consistency while I like Bledsoe’s energy (on both ends of the court) and speed which creates for others on offense. He literally can get to the basket at will the shot just may not be there.

If not for the politics, I’d start Bledsoe the rest of the way. Hell, I would of started him once BD left. Can’t go wrong as we’re playing for absolutely nothing. I liked how he handled things when BD went down and he received starters minutes. He’s now a more polished player compared to that point in the season.

by dulciusXasperis on Mar 23, 2011 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"Lastly, doesn't Mo Williams seem like a guy who would be really effective coming off the bench for a great team? Just sayin."

Not really. He was a major reason LeBron’s Cavs posted back to back 60 win seasons. He’s no world beater, but he’s a great complimentary piece. When Blake elevates his game next year, and with EJ healthy, I expect Mo to be that third scorer we need.

Then we can ship him out when we go after D-Will or CP3, or even keep him in the Randy Foye role off the bench.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Mar 23, 2011 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Mo is definitely a quality NBA starter

He might not be on Baron’s level of passing, but he is still averaging 5.8 assists with the Clippers.

However, if Bledsoe really does get good, Mo will still be valuable: everyone in Cleveland always thought he would be AMAZING as a Jason Terry type off the bench, still getting 30 minutes or so a game.

Right now, I definitely want Mo to start. By the end of next year, Bledsoe might be, but I think that we keep Mo anyway (on a better contract of course).

by NewCavsfan on Mar 23, 2011 5:18 PM PDT reply actions  

i think the other thing about Mo is he probably wont be injured as much as baron.

hell baron is injured right now for the cavs. and mo will come in shape. yeah mo is a little over paid. but i disagree and think he’s less overpaid than baron. mayhbe like 1.5 million or 2 million over paid.

by hans007 on Mar 23, 2011 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I am also curious to see the game dynamics of

EJ’s game the rest of the season. With Baron out of the picture, EJ has had some great games in his short time on the court. But I have also seen signs of late of him not letting the game come to him and trying too much sometimes. I had a vision of this team playing hard together the last few remaining games but am starting to have my doubts. I still think Blake is gassed for playing at warp speed all year.

OK back on subject. it is also time for me to mention again all 4 guards have combo guard skills but to me lack true PG skills or instincts to be PG starters. I know there is only one Steve Nash but to me he defines what a true point guard is suppose to do on the court.

by PV Mike on Mar 23, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

What I like about Mo

is that he doesn’t appear to be afraid to take the big shot. Perhaps his best game was that against the celtics where he basically carried us for the fourth quarter. I’d like to see him with some more time with a stable rotation before demoting him to the bench. Sometime it just takes time to fully assimilate (i.e., richard jefferson with spurs). I like Bledsoe and have been impressed with his development but still have a tough time with the turnovers. I’d give him another year prior to moving him into the starting spot.

by KeithClossrules on Mar 23, 2011 5:46 PM PDT reply actions  

The only problem i have with Mo every guard gets by him.

I figure management is thinking worse case scenario he’s gone when its time for
Williams or CP’3 contracts, while Bledsoe is getting better. Bledsoe is perfect for
our team energy and he will complements Griffin and Jordans game. What this
team needs really bad for next year is a small forward who’s consistent at hitting
 open shot and who can defend as well. Who might that player be will see.

by ENCUEROMAN on Mar 23, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

While he is a terrible defender, I think people overestimate Baron's defense now that he is gone

He was bigger and stronger, so it was harder to post him up, and he could push through screens better. However, most pgs still went right by him.

My god, just remember that record ending streak that Cleveland had against the Clips. Williams had 17 and 14 assists on his first day back against Baron.

by NewCavsfan on Mar 23, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way I look at it, both Mo and Baron are bad for the D.

If FO really wants to improve the team, they need to get somebody who can play D and create. Any other type of move is lateral or even regression. Bledsoe can play good D and good offense, but he really need to grow up and be consistent.

by RockyMountain on Mar 23, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bledsoe's D

He’s got some great occassional defensive chops but overall he’s not a very good defender. A big problem is he loves to cheat, going for the big play while his man buries 3’s on us.

"The need to be right - the sign of a vulgar mind."

by ghost_ride on Mar 23, 2011 8:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

bledsoe is so fast we need to use his quickness

need to have bledsoe run some pick and roll, that kinda speed would be devastating if he turns the corner. Plus his mid-range shot looks nice when he calms himself down and doesn’t rush it. Would be nice for him to look at a player like tony parker. Seen him do the floater a few times, needs to work on that and changing direction without losing the ball. Mo williams defense sucks and bledsoe should start on that basis alone. Mo was successful with lebron because lebron was the ball handler and mo was a shooter. We have no one to distribute so mo’s spot up shot isn’t utilized as well. If we had a ball handling SF or Aminu becomes that we could use mo’s shooting more effectively.

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by flightofthegriffin on Mar 23, 2011 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

But

Don’t you like “mike taylor” better than Mo Williams? Isn’t Mo Williams “the good version of Randy Foye”?

What’s the solution?

by citizen zhiv on Mar 23, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mo Williams is the solution, for what that is worth

EB has had a couple huge games lately, but I don’t know that it indicates a lot.

The other solution is to keep looking for a solution.

by John R on Mar 24, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this comparison

They both have the “mad-dash-to-the-paint-but-what-do-I-do-now?” mentality. Also, there’s the “he’s a true PG, really he’s a true PG”, only to find out … more of a combo-guard.

But I see Bledsoe’s offensive game as better, and a longer NBA career ahead of him than Taylor … sure hope so, otherwise we’re screwed!

by Thretch on Mar 24, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bledsoe was a first round pick

He is guaranteed a longer career than Taylor.

by John R on Mar 24, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know

And I agree, I’m just saying he probably DESERVES a longer career. even if he’s nothing more than the next Sebastian Telfair, he’ll be around longer than his four-year rookie contract.

by Thretch on Mar 24, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sebastian Telfair

Thats the first name that I thought of for a comp. for Bledsoe. At least stat wise. Obviously I want him to be better then that. Right now I believe Bledsoe will be Telfair more then he will be Westbrook.

by Beasel on Mar 24, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really like that comparison playing-wise.

Telfair has much better vision, great handles and is the better passer by far. Bledsoe is in another galaxy in terms of strength and athleticism. Lack of defense and a weak jumper are a couple of things that held Telfair back. He wasn’t ready when he came into the league, so maturity and mental make-up was definitely an issue for him. It’s crazy to think that he’s been in the league 7 seasons and is only 25.

Bledsoe has the mental game to work on as well. He’s not there defensively aside from flashes, and his shot is definitely a work in progress. Telfair had a ton of potential, but never realized it. Bledsoe’s physical attributes hold the keys to his potential. Even though he doesn’t have Telfair’s gift for passing, he does have the opportunity to become a respectable shooter and potentially a lock-down defender. He can add those to his resume, then he can one day become one of the better point guards in this league (Top 10ish).

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by Lawler 4ever on Mar 24, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

EB seems to be a better version of mike tyalor. i know everyone here’s very excited about EB, but i would hold your horses til next year. from foye’s interview last night i wonder if EB has a big ego and don’t like to be told what to do…

by zac4president on Mar 24, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

what interview? got a link?

by monro on Mar 24, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

i still see mo as a bargaining chip for CP3

if the clips get a marquee PG and a defensive stopper for SF, without losing BG, EJ, DJ and Kaman (if this would be possible), clips could become one, if not the best in the West for yrs to come.

by Jakespeed on Mar 23, 2011 9:04 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Neil better be practicing his Jedi mind tricks then.

The thing that sucks is that we have the new CBA looming ahead, where nobody knows what to expect. Will the Salary Cap be lowered? Will contracts be scaled down? Will there be a hard cap? Franchise Tags?

A Franchise Tag would pretty much eliminate us getting a top PG/Free-Agent.

We could theoretically acquire the SF this summer with our cap space (assuming that we’ll have some after the new CBA is established). We could also look to retaining DJ and extending EJ.

In 2012, we should have some cap space with Kaman, Foye & Cook all expiring. It may not be enough to acquire a marquee PG (Paul or Williams) of Dwight Howard, depending on the Salary Cap. If we try to trade for one of them early (i.e. before the next trade deadline) like New York or New Jersey did, then a combination of those expirings, our Minnesota pick, Bledsoe, Aminu, Warren, DJ or Gordon might be in the asking price. If we waited until summer of 2012, we’d likely have to make a move or 2 to free up more cap space.

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by Lawler 4ever on Mar 24, 2011 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

With Bledsoe, the key is patience

One day he will be looked back upon as the steal of the 2010 NBA Draft. He has all the tools and all the upside in the World, and it’s not like came from a booty program, he ran the offense of a pretty good Kentucky team, for a former NBA coach, too.

Bledsoe could be an Avery Johnson type in the future, and that’s a good thing. I, of course, have him being much better than that, as in he’ll make one or two All Star teams. Yeah, I said.

Having said that, can we trade for John Wall? :p

Donald heckled ME!!!

by DonaldSterlingSucks on Mar 24, 2011 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

he didnt run the offense for Kentucky

Some argue he played out of position at Kentucky, some think he’s not a PG to begin with.

He’s so raw you don’t know where he will be in three years. He could be another Westbrook or he could be a bigger Nate Robinson or he could be out of the NBA.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Mar 24, 2011 7:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

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