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Clips Nation Exit Interviews 2011 - Jamario Moon

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We're running a series of "exit interviews" of the 2011 Los Angeles Clippers. An overview and analysis, player by player, of all 14 Clippers who finished the 2010-2011 season on the roster. In this edition: journeyman small forward Jamario Moon.

Name: Jamario Moon

2010-11 Key Stats: 3.5 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 14.6 mpg (in 19 games with the Clippers)

Age: 30

Years in the NBA: 4

Years with the Clippers: 1

2010-2011 Salary: $3,000,000

Contract Status: Team option for 2011-2012 Unrestricted Free Agent (see comments)

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In a Nutshell

For being a salary throw-in in the Baron Davis-Mo Williams trade, Jamario Moon performed about as well as ... well, a salary throw-in. Even when Vinny Del Negro made the somewhat head-scratching choice of starting Moon over Al-Farouq Aminu for the last seven games of the season, Moon underwhelmed, which isn't all that surprising, considering he's always been a low-usage player and suffered from the Clippers' lack of a creative distributor.

But that doesn't answer this question: why didn't Del Negro use the final two weeks to take an extended look at Aminu? Granted, the rookie had been struggling mightily, but at 20, he needed all the extra seasoning he could get -- more so than a 30-year-old player with fading NBA prospects -- and the waning moments of 2010-2011 provided an opportunity for just that. Veteran forward Ryan Gomes, who had just trudged through the worst season of career, was sidelined with a swollen knee, opening up even more would-be minutes for Aminu.

Perhaps Del Negro knew something we didn't, even as he was consistently giving more playing time to Moon. Vinny did say he wanted to take the last several games of the season "to see what guys want to compete, get coached and be developed."

Maybe Aminu just wasn't bringing it and Del Negro wanted to send a message. Even so, it's difficult to tell if Moon fits into the Clippers' plans going forward beyond serving as a vague extension of Vinny's coaching arm, or if he stays with the team at all. At the very least, Moon didn't make the team's dismal small-forward situation any worse. But he didn't offer any real solutions, either, and that should figure into the FO's upcoming decision about whether or not to bring him back next season.

Strengths

After getting a late start in the NBA, Moon already looks to be on the downside of his career, but he's retained some of the athleticism and defensive chops that got him into the league in the first place. Though a step slower than he was a couple years ago, he still showed plenty of bounce while using his 6'11.5" wingspan to make 76 percent of his shots in the restricted area last season (though that stunning figure is less impressive when you consider he averaged right around one close-range shot per game).

With the Clippers, those qualities made him useful as a low-mistake player who could get out in transition and bother opposing wing scorers with his lanky frame. And when he wasn't cutting to the rim on offense, Moon displayed a decent shooting touch from deep, making 11-of-28 3-pointers for a percentage that, if drawn out over an entire season, would have been the best of his career.

The change of pace Moon brought -- compared to Gomes' ice-cold shooting and tendency to disappear from games, or Aminu's propensity for committing charges and other youthful blunders -- was a slight but welcome difference. Moon rarely turned the ball over, defended, ran the break well and generally only took open shots. His contributions didn't seem like much in a system that neglected the small forward more than any other position, but Moon still managed to be quietly effective from time to time.

Weaknesses

For all of Moon's relatively error-free play, his deficiencies are obvious. Credit Moon for knowing his limitations, of which there are quite a few, enough that the Clippers would never in their right mind consider him a long-term option. More on that in the "Future with the Clippers" section.

In theory, Moon at his best fits with what Del Negro's Clippers want in a small forward. You can camp him in the corner, where he shot 39 percent on 3-point tries last season (including his games with the Cavaliers). He's effective cutting to the rim, where, as alluded to earlier, he's a strong finisher -- among the best in the league, actually. He leaks out for dunks and easy scores in transition, which goes along nicely with the Clippers' athletic fast-break attack. On defense, Moon is quicker and anticipates better than Gomes, and he's far savvier than Aminu at this point, though the rookie has a higher ceiling. All in all, a solid player who doesn't need many touches to do his thing.

But that's Moon at his best. When he's his normal self he's nothing special. Yes, he's not a bad outside shooter, but he's not a particularly good one, either. The 3-point percentage he logged in 19 games with the Clippers represents a small sample size, and Moon was shooting just 28 percent from 3 before he was traded to L.A. For his career, he is shooting just 33 percent from deep.

Then there's the reality that Moon, a timid ball-handler who can't generate quality looks on his own, needs other players to create for him. When Moon played in Cleveland in 2009-2010 the Cavaliers had that in LeBron James. As currently constructed, the Clippers don't have anyone close to James' caliber as a distributor.

And while he still plays solid defense, Moon's lack of bulk prevents him from being a top-notch stopper. This wouldn't be such a big deal if he still had the same quickness from his "younger" years, but right now, he's not quite as strong a defender as advertised.

In the end, there's just not enough production here to make Moon more than anything but a temporary stopgap. Age is also a factor; Moon seems to have fallen off quite a bit from his peak -- basically when he entered the league in 2007. It's difficult for a player as reliant on natural athleticism as Moon to adjust when the years start catching up, and looking at the way Moon's PER has dropped every year (from 15.21 in 2007-2008 to 10.09 last season), that statement certainly seems true in this case.

Future with the Clippers

While the Clippers are still searching for an answer to their small-forward woes, Moon clearly isn't it. He's on the wrong side of 30, and giving him a new deal just wouldn't make a lot of sense next to all the other things the Clips have done to put the future in the youngsters' hands. A veteran presence does bring some stability, but you also need to receive enough production along with that experience.

Moon made $3 million last season, so signing him to a new contract would take a similar amount of money, unless Moon tests the market and finds he can't latch on with another team (though I'd be surprised if that's the case; he still has value). Would it really be worth it? I don't think so, not when you have the more expensive Gomes returning and Aminu needing developing and thus more playing time. And with all the three-guard lineups the Clippers played last season, you'd think they'd want to go back to at least some of that next season.

In short, there doesn't seem to be much room for Moon in this picture. The Clippers certainly could use the flexibility gained from shedding Moon's salary to re-sign key players like DeAndre Jordan or even target a free agent small forward to shore up the wing once and for all (that sounded wrong as soon as I typed it, but for the sake of boundless optimism, I'm leaving it in). It's unfortunate, in a way, because by all accounts Moon has been a true professional in his time with the Clippers, but he'll likely be continuing his improbable NBA journey somewhere else next season.

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Everything was well stated and pretty much conclusive above.

I also do not see the Clips bringing him back. I must say I really like his attitude and cheerleading on the bench but not for $3 million. Unfortunately, I think we are stuck with Gomes so he is odd man out.

"I gotta have more cowbell and a small forward for The Clippers" Bruce Dickinson

by PV Mike on Apr 27, 2011 7:14 AM PDT reply actions  

why didn’t Del Negro use the final two weeks to take an extended look at Aminu?

Because Aminu sucks and Moon was the most productive small forward on the roster at the time. And I wouldn’t be so quick to assume Moon will be gone next year. Guys like Craig Smith and Rasual Butler stuck around for a 2nd year via bird rights once they realized there was no market for their services. I could see Moon playing out the same way, where the Clippers (again) fail to adequately address the need at small forward and sign Moon for 1 year because nobody else picked him up.

Contract Status: Team option for 2011-2012

What’s your source for that? ShamSports is showing that he is a free agent next year with no mention of a team option. If shamsports is wrong and the option is cheap enough, I don’t hate picking it up and seeing where the dust settles on free agency. If the Clippers fail to address that hole at SF, Moon would be a more attractive day 1 option than Gomes or Aminu.

by Michael White on Apr 27, 2011 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like

HoopsHype thinks Moon has a team option of $3.1MM. I know some of the more savvy salary cap guys on this blog prefer ShamSports, but I’m wondering if Dennis got this info right from the Clippers or a different source.

by Michael White on Apr 27, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll try to chase this down...

I would tend to trust shamsports, and everything I’ve seen indicates he signed a 2 year deal with Cleveland in 2009, so it seems as if he’s an FA to me. Having said that, the Clippers will clearly not exercise an option at $3.1M – they’ll want that space to chase someone else, and at any rate they would believe they can sign him for less than that if they can’t find an upgrade. So he’s a FA one way or the other.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Apr 27, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

What's the timing of the option?

How soon do players have to exercise their player option (Cook and Williams)
How soon do clubs have to exercise the club option (possibly Moon)

I assume it’s before free agency period of the off-season. If so, you’ll need to decline the option on Moon. I think you’d still retain his bird rights though and his cap hold per Sham is $3.9MM. Assuming the options for Cook and Williams are picked up and DJ and Moon are slotted in the cap at their cap hold amount, that would still leave $8.7MM in available cap space which is probably enough to get the SF one desires (and if not, you can renounce Moon at that time.)

No matter how you slice it though, the important thing is how quickly DJ signs an offer sheet. If he does so early, the Clips available cap space goes way down as (I believe) the signed offer sheet becomes the new cap hold amount.

by Michael White on Apr 27, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure

Without looking it up, I’m pretty sure that options occur just before free agency starts… in broad strokes, June 30 for options, July 1 for the start of free agency. It only makes sense that options happen first, so free agents know whether they are free agents or not.

You are correct that they can renounce Moon at the time the sign a FA, if necessary.

The DJ cap hold number from sham confuses me… I had something different in my head. I need to check some stuff.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Apr 27, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Via Mary Schmitt Boyer of the Cleveland Plain Dealer
Moon, who often has been completely out of the Cavs’ rotation and is averaging just 4.5 points a game, is making about $3 million this season and has a team option $3.2 million next season.

I did see the ShamSports page, and was wondering if he really is a FA already, but it seems he does have a team option. Either way, Steve’s right in that Moon will likely be a FA, team option or not.

by Dennis Lin on Apr 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fixed link

Here’s the link to that Boyer story.

by Dennis Lin on Apr 27, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, if the amount is around $3MM for a team option, it certainly wouldn’t get picked up.

Thanks.

by Michael White on Apr 27, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

A telling paragraph from the same article
Moon was signed as a free agent two summers ago, again to bolster James" supporting cast. He actually earned the starting small forward spot vacated by James, but soon found himself on the bench. Scott said it was because of his poor defense. Another coach told Moon it was because he wasn’t serious enough.

Make of it what you will.

by Dennis Lin on Apr 27, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I remember that

And hearing something about a bad work ethic. He never displayed these things as a Clipper, and I have trouble trusting in Byron Scott’s leadership abilities.

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Apr 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

*that I could tell

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Apr 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to close the loop

As we’ve said, it’s irrelevant given that the option would not be picked up, but I’ve since been told by the team that they do NOT have an option on Moon.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Apr 27, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with above

Aminu was getting worse and worse throughout the season and pretty much became a liability by the end. It was either an offensive foul or getting stripped in the lane, and every other NBA defender on him knew it. It was a good way to build some momentum and see what Moon had to offer in case the FO wanted to bring him back next season.

And I wouldn’t hate the idea of bringing him back for another year, or if he picks up his option. He was a decent defender and could knock down a three here and there. That’s more than I could say for Gomes, who was our star acquisition last summer.

by screweb on Apr 27, 2011 9:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Question for Clipper Steve

Should there be some concern that Aminu may be a bad fit in VDN’s offence considering that Luol Deng the player that Aminu often gets compared to, also struggled playing for VDN…

Some articles on how Deng seems to have improved playing in Thiobdeau’s offence

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/04/luol-dengs-the-second-most-important-player-on-this-team.html

Luol Deng, seemed in great spirits. He also alluded to the somewhat predictable offense last season and said he was most excited about the plan to throw the ball inside more, which would give him more opportunities to cut and move.
 
"I can go back to moving without the ball," said Deng. "It will allow me to use my instincts
 
Not to bash Vinny Del Negro but it shows that Luol Deng have been misused the past couple season, If I remember correctly when Tom Thibodeau was first hired and talk about how Luol Deng have been misused over the years. I have not see Luol Deng move without the ball the past couple season or so and cut to the baskets which was one of his biggest strengths. It only happen rarely last season but not much in Vinny Del Negro’s offense. So it will be a big plus to see Luol Deng move without the ball and cut to the baskets instead of just shooting long two.

http://chicagobullsinsights.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/training-camp-open-positive-for-the-bulls/

by teddygreen on Apr 27, 2011 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Bulls never had an inside post player to run an offense through during VDN era...

It sounds like that’s the key difference that Deng is talking about. I’m not so sure TT made much of an impact on the actual offense…it’s more like good defense leads to easy offense…something the Clippers are trying to learn.

by banandy on Apr 27, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

VDN vs. TT

My concern is not that VDN is a bad fit as coach for AFA. My concern is that VDN is a bad coach, period. I think it may be wishful thinking to say that the biggest drawback to VDN as coach is that AFA may not reach his potential.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

In my opinion VDN isn't a bad coach

but more of an irrelevant coach. His impact seems minimal. He’ll be gone if the Clippers don’t compete next year. A bit of a placeholder until we can entice a decent coach.

by BelgianClipper on Apr 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps if the clips show promise like the Bulls

maybe then we can attract a coach of TT’s caliber. In fact, the Clippers situation kind of remind me of the bulls
- VDN
- Rookie of the Year
- hole in the roster (PF for bulls/ SF for Clips) although they had Taj Gibson and we have Aminu

I think the bulls had more cap space and a more talented roster, but still.

by AtotheZ on Apr 27, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The had a SG hole too

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Apr 27, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of us share the same sentiments on VDN

We want to support the guy, really, we do, but he just looks like he’s way in over his head during the closing moments of games.

by yaggiefresh on Apr 27, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why he didn't start AFA

when he had the opportunity to put him out there during the pretty meaningless games escapes me. It just makes good coaching sense to start the young kid and then sub in the 30 year old, at a time when it was so obvious that the SF position is such a glaring need. I don’t think they would have drafted him if he wasn’t in their sights as a future starter. The feeling of being a starter can do wonders for a kids confidence. Oh my, what a lost opportunity. Just my opinion of course, i don’t even pretend to understand the ins and outs of the day to day life of a coach and the decisions they make that they hope will inspire better play.

by rouse77 on Apr 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Kaman

Look Chris Kaman has had his time with the Clippers hes getting older he can score the ball. I would sign Dj to a long term deal hes an important part to their core players along with Griffin and Gordon. If Kaman doesn’t want to come of the bench i would trade him. One possiblity is Kaman for Trevor Ariza and Carl Landry. I love Ariza he would fit well in the starting line-up he has experience he can run the floor and defend well along with Landry coming off the bench.

by zj451 on Apr 28, 2011 1:56 AM PDT reply actions  

mo, ej, and ariza

thats too much jumpshooting

J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
Overall, I'm over y'all/
All y'all played out like overalls/
Meanwhile your girlfriend on my balls/
Laid that up like Pau Gasol

by big_p.a.w.z. on May 12, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

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