We traded Kyrie Irving and Baron Davis for Mo Williams!

by Akram47 on May 17, 2011 6:25 PM PDT

We traded Kyrie Irving and Baron Davis for Mo Williams.

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we would of had 2 #1 picks AND a passing PG

i hate mo even more now…

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:26 PM PDT reply actions

to clarify 2 #1 is

Blake and Kyrie

(or maybe Williams…he could have fit our void SF spot…)

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Make that 3 #1's.

We got the Minny pick coming up.

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by Newton Pham on May 18, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Not really Mo's fault. He's like the product of infidelity. A tangible reminder, but he didn't ask to be here.

Blame Baron for not living up to the expectations or being in the proper shape.
Blame Brand for convincing Baron to sign with us.
Blame Dunleavy for signing Baron.
Blame Olshey for signing off on the trade of Baron to the Cavs.
Blame Bledsoe for being the reason that we couldn’t have protected the pick.
Blame Sterling just for being Sterling and being a black eye that scares off potential FA’s.

My head is pounding :(

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions

i dont blame Baron

yes he was expected to be the star of the team…but he also didnt have a good cast near him…until Blake and it was clear that Blake motivated him and we had the Baron we needed…not necessarily the one we wanted…but the one we needed at the time

other than that…I blame Olshey for signing off on the trade and Sterling for being Sterling
also its not Bledsoes fault for not protecting the pick…isnt that Olshey call?

other than drafting Bledsoe….what good has Olshey done?
Aminu? okay but that was almost a given
Bledsoe…good
Sign Gomes? fail
Sign Foye….eh
Sign Cook? not bad but not needed either
Trade Baron…originally to be determined…now a fail

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions

dont forget VDN

coaching genius. all i gotta say is mo williams better have a career year next year or this is the stupidest trade we’ve ever made.

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by flightofthegriffin on May 17, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions

trade had little to do with Williams...

it was about getting rid of Davis’ contract.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions

It's a combination of things that have contributed to the trade being made which led to the Cavs having the number 1 pick.

I don’t blame all of the parties involved either, but if you want to hate/blame someone (such as Mo), then you need to look at all the contributing factors to even get us to this point. It’s a big puzzle and he is only a piece of it.

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions

i hate mo not because of the trade

i never liked him…and this just adds more dislike to him

i dont blame him for the trade…i blame the clips for pulling the trigger

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Hindsight is 20/20. Trade really sucks in retrospect, but the reasoning for the trade was legit.

The ball just happened to not bounce our way (or it did depending on how you look at it).

As the lottery played out (top 3), I was hoping that the Cavs would have had a higher pick than the Wolves. I wish the Wolves would have been 3, but I’d rather them have Williams than Irving.

For us, it all depends what we do with the money that was saved. It could very well end up not working out for us, or it could put us in a great position where the trade doesn’t sting that much. I’m still hopeful.

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions

It's not that serious

No need to freak out, yet! If we don’t get a good SF then let’s freak out then

"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte

by Jayq on May 17, 2011 6:33 PM PDT reply actions

We gave away the number 1 pick in the draft for Mo Freakin Williams.

All I know is that we better use that extra cap space from this deal to acquire another star player.

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions

i thought the extra space was to re-sign Jordan

(and then gordon in the future)

…based on Olsheys press release on the trade from what i remember…

i dont remember him directly saying the trade would help in any other area

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions

We could re-sign them both and be fine financially. We have bird rights.

Trading away Baron saved $11.65M over 2 years (6.25M in 2012) plus the rookie salary of our 2011 draft pick (which if it were the 1st, would be another $5M or so per year). We have the space to retain our own guys and still be players for some of the available free-agents. If we didn’t spend it all this summer, then next summer we would be in a good position to have the mony available to pay Dwight, Deron or Paul. Kaman, Foye and Cook are about $18M in expirings next season. So having money to re-sign Gordon and DJ was not really an issue unless the owner didn’t want to spend in the first place, which is usually the case with Sterling.

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions

no we didn't

we trade a pick that ended having about 2% of a chance to get Mo Williams and get rid of Baron contract, anyway the situation would have change have we keep the pick for the simple reason that games would have been played with baron maybe we ended better or worse. Anyway if you take an open shot and the ball doesn’t go in, it was still the right shot.

by XXDC2XX on May 17, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Relax. I agree. Just venting ;)

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Come on

You’re smarter than that

by Michael White on May 17, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions

holy god. i really hate life.

by Dawool Huh on May 17, 2011 6:35 PM PDT reply actions

the title should be rephrased

Clips and Cavs trade Mo williams for Baron and Sebastian Telfair jr

by big0lbad on May 17, 2011 6:36 PM PDT reply actions

I want to cry

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by Xfactor26 on May 17, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions

wait wait wait...

we could of had 3 #1 picks!!!

2009 – Blake Griffin
2011 – Kyrie Irving/Derrick Williams
2012 – from Minny

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:45 PM PDT reply actions

really. that's depressing

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by Xfactor26 on May 17, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions

the notion of "we traded away a #1 pick" is idiotic

When we traded it away, it was a #1 pick, it was also a #8 pick. It a lotto, it’s like getting mad because somebody used your dollar you gave them, that they took out of they’re wallet of multiple dollars that were never yours.
We won THE lottery 2 years ago in getting a potential “great”.

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by Takebb909 on May 17, 2011 6:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

that does make me mad

because no matter what the potential of that dollar (good or bad)…it was still my dollar and im jealous that i didnt get the benefit…instead i got cool basketball collectors card that has depreciated a lot recently and an old toy that everyone has played with already

either way…i feel bamboozled. i didnt like the trade then and i dont like it even more now…

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions

I respectfully disagree

We could have traded Baron and the #1 for D Will. And still have Kaman and the minny pick for a good SF. This trade sucked balls then and sucks bigger balls now.

by lbclips on May 17, 2011 7:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

"We could have traded Baron and the #1 for D Will."

Keep dreaming.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions

How about baron kaman and the #1? Oh well its all what ifs now anyway.

by lbclips on May 17, 2011 7:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Baron had negative trade value...

pick in a really weak draft, and Kaman doesn’t get it done.

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by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions

reply fail...meant for another poster

by lbclips on May 17, 2011 7:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Would be a horrible year to have the #1 pick.

A consolation of sorts.

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by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions

Better sign someone good!!!

Cheapskate sterling better sign someone good in this offseason to make up for this!
Typical clippers! Trade away a pick that turns into the #1 pick. However, this year the talent is slim pickens. Next year will be good. Minni’s #1 pick will be very valuable!

by mrbiff on May 17, 2011 6:59 PM PDT reply actions

As long as The Donald owns this club the Curse will continue!

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by skeptic von urquell on May 17, 2011 7:04 PM PDT reply actions

if they were so cursed...

how does one explain getting Griffin?

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by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions

lucky break

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by Xfactor26 on May 17, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions

The curse tried to bring him down his first season

But the beast prevailed in round 2. See what happens next season.

by dulciusXasperis on May 17, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Even the sun shines on a dog's ass some days. LOL

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions

sure...

just trying to point out that things could be a lot worse right now.

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by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions

No Griffin, Gordon or DJ?

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by Xfactor26 on May 17, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions

That was from White Men Can't Jump. :)

It sucks, but we still have a nice nucleus to work with. We still have to make some moves. Olshey is new to having total control. So, we really only have 1 1/2 years to judge him on. So there’s a lot of uncertainty. We can hope for the best, but it’s different than a Laker, Cetlic, Spur or Bull fan, etc. having faith that their FO will make the right moves.

I’m not ready to completely right Olshey off. I like the way that he’s drafted, but I want to see him pull off some power moves that really propel us into becoming a perennial playoff team. That can take time, or it could happen overnight. I just hope it happens.

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by Lawler 4ever on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions

we got Griffin

he got hurt in year one to lose interest from LeBron..
then he played but we still didnt make the playoffs (or even close)

…i think the curse (if there is one) is still in effect

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions

as if a healthy Griffin would have changed Lebron's decision...

and anyways, my point being, if the Clippers are bad, at least they are one of the most entertaining teams to watch and very competitive. They are not far away from being great.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions

And of course...

without the trade, it doesn’t mean they would have ended up with the #1 pick, with most obvious reason being the record obtained, along with other variables.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM PDT reply actions

We didn't trade Kyrie Irving and Baron Davis for Mo Williams

We went .500 with Williams. If we had Davis instead of Williams, and he missed 7/22 games (like he did with the Cavs), we’d have lost a few more games, fell below Detroit in the standings, and ended up with the 7th worst record (and the 8th pick b/c Detroit, now in 8th, would have jumped ahead of us).

Another thing to point out is that, because of the pick we sent to OKC for Bledsoe (now owed to Boston), we couldn’t protect the pick we sent to Cleveland.

by d2s4ui1 on May 17, 2011 7:28 PM PDT reply actions

Good point

Very highly unlikely that fate falls the same way had we not traded the pick.

by Jonee on May 17, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions

This is the proper perspective

Everybody calm the eff down.

by ReignMan on May 17, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Seriously.

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions

+1

by Justbball on May 17, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions

What the future holds..

As indicated above what played out tonight would probably not have happened to the Clippers if the trade didn’t happen. But the media will always say that Irving is the player the Clips traded away. Its just something were going to have to live with as Clippers fans. If the Clippers are winning or Irving isn’t great it won’t be a big deal.
The real comparision to watch will be Mo vs. Baron. Over the next 3 years Mo has to be better then Baron. Or the Clips have to get something decent in a trade with Mo included.
And the “cap space”. The new CBA will probably significantly lower the cap. Meaning that any space the Clippers have will likely be gone. Therefore, they probably have to make a trade before July 1st. Use the current space to eat some salary from another team in a trade.

by Beasel on May 17, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions

Let's just hope Mo was worth it

If he leads the Clips to the playoffs next year, then maybe the trade would have been worth it, we don’t know. Hopefully whatever 2nd round pick the Clips get pans out and the CLips get lucky in 2012. You can never get enough young talent. Look at OKC and Memphis. Let’s just hope AFA develops….Derek Williams would have been a potential “solution” to the SF woes. OH well.

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by oasisman on May 17, 2011 8:01 PM PDT reply actions

I hope the FO really did their homework. That 2nd round pick has to work out. The Spurs always make it happen.

by tenkaistar on May 18, 2011 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions

I would just like to say I've never liked Neil Olshey

between him and VDN we have an assistant equipment manager.

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by flightofthegriffin on May 17, 2011 8:13 PM PDT reply actions

From Bill Simmons...

BTW the Clips were absolute morons for not top-3 protecting the #1 in the Baron trade. They deserve to see this go #1. Just bad management.

by RAR on May 17, 2011 8:47 PM PDT reply actions

the simmons as absolute moron for not knowing we can't protect it because of bledsoe trade

also cleveland wouldn’t have done the trade.

by XXDC2XX on May 17, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Exactly

Who the hell would take Baron’s contract if the pick were protected? Get real, Simmons.

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Then don't make the trade back then.

by RAR on May 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions

why not

there was a very small risk in giving the pick, you can’t make trades assuming the worst would happen. The FO consider moving Baron and giving the pick in such a weak draft was the right call IMO.

by XXDC2XX on May 17, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Cavs got better player and the #1 pick.

We got some cap room, which history has shown will go mostly unused, and a shoot-first point guard. Of course, most assume that trading the pick wouldn’t result in a top-3 pick, much less the #1 pick. However, the possibility did exist. We could have traded the pick and Baron after the lottery.

I can imagine the FO rationalizing tomorrow that this is good news, since the #1 pick would have been a 4-5 million dollar hit on our cap. Nevermind that we could have had an epic team with Irving in 2 years AND still been a player in free agency and the trading world.

by RAR on May 17, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions

The trade was stupid

But it was stupid yesterday at this time too. Just because lightning strikes doesn’t mean we need to go nuts.

by Michael White on May 17, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Out of curiosity, what would you have done with Baron and that contract?

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Have him play PG for the Clippers?

by Michael White on May 17, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Yea ... I'm ambiguous about the trade myself

On one hand I’m drinking the kool-aid about cap space and run at a FA, on the other I’m thinking the team would have been better with his veteran leadership. Guess it’s wait till FA period ..

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions

and just pay him to throw lobs to Blake all day

i would keep that over mo being a “better” shooter…

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions

exactly...

the opinion of the trade shouldn’t change after this.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m not crazy about Irving. Key reason why not having the pick isn’t bothering me too much.

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by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions

but what about Derrick Williams?

he could of been a temporary fix at SF…seeing our track record of acquiring good FA

potential lineup

Baron/Bledsoe
Eric Gordon
Derrick Williams
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman/DeAndre Jordan

then add a top pick in the next year..Harrison Barnes? Austin Rivers?…we have a nice young team

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by KidJustin on May 17, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions

You guys still have the unprotected Timberwolves pick for next season..

If that makes you feel any better. Doesn’t make me feel any better though.

by KGMN on May 17, 2011 8:50 PM PDT reply actions

Who do you think you guys will swoop up?

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Over at Canis Hoopus, they arent too crazy about another tweener in Derrick WIlliams

But a good portion seem to want BPA.

However, the majority consensus is trading the pick and somebody else for a veteran big and a lower draft pick, to a team that would really want Derrick Williams.

I think the Clippers could actually deal Kaman straight up for the #2 pick, and might even get something back as well.

by NewCavsfan on May 17, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Don’t see why the Clippers would want the pick, though.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Derrick Williams really reminds me of Marcus Fizer

Got hot at the right time. And there’s no way the Clippers are trading Kaman for a pick. The team needs a 3 and more consistent shooters.

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Poor comparison IMO.

Fizer was an undersized bloated 4 man who simply overpowered people in college. Much more difficult to do that in the NBA. He was similar to a Corliss Williamson.

DWilliams is a super athletic 3 man who can shoot, nothing like Fizer. Nobody knows if he will be a star or a bust, but I’d put money on the latter, or at least, a very solid player. He would have been a great pick to fill our massive void at 3 for the next decade.

by RAR on May 17, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions

All I remember was that there was massive hype about Fizer

and about his ability to hit the jumper in college. He ended up becoming a tweener that couldn’t fit anywhere and so far that’s the knock on Williams.

Not hating on the kid, maybe I’m just bitter about what’s happened today.

by yaggiefresh on May 17, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions

He had that baseline jumper, but mostly overpowered smaller 4s in college.

He was not known for his athleticism – DWilliams is a Big-time athlete.

by RAR on May 17, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions

I don’t see D Williams being a star in the pros..but could be a solid player. He would have been a nice player on our team. I think he’s ahead of AFA and would have played major minutes on our team. Very athletic..not so sure about his jump shot and defense.

by tenkaistar on May 18, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions

A lot of Wolves fans like

Bismack Biyombo, however don’t think he’s worth a #2 pick, so many want us to take Derrick Williams anyways.

by KGMN on May 18, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

To add yet another thing...

there was a 2% chance this would happen. If one were to make a decision based on a 2% chance something bad might happen, then they are extremely illogical people.

@foryourhandicap

by uclatroy on May 17, 2011 9:38 PM PDT reply actions