Clips Nation Exit Interviews 2011 - Ryan Gomes
We're running a series of "exit interviews" of the 2011 Los Angeles Clippers. An overview and analysis, player by player, of the 14 Clippers who ended the 2010-2011 season on the roster. In this edition: starting small forward Ryan Gomes.
Name: Ryan Gomes
2010-11 Key Stats: 7.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 27.6 mpg
Age: 28
Years in the NBA:6
Years with the Clippers: 1
2010-2011 Salary: $4,000,000
Contract Status: Signed through 2013 at $4M per year.
In a Nutshell
Whereas I'm going to try to be balanced and even find some positives as we work through this process, I would have to be a Pollyanna to avoid this basic, simple assertion at the outset - Ryan Gomes stunk this season. It was easily the worst season of his career, and it wasn't a particularly stellar career to begin with. The fact that he was the 'big' free agent signing for the Clippers this summer (those quotation marks are ironic, in case that's not immediately obvious) just adds insult to injury. The fact that he was a starter by default practically all season rubs salt in the wounds of those who were originally injured and then were subsequently insulted.
I suppose it's a good thing that Ryan Gomes is not Travis Outlaw, a much more expensive and equally unproductive free agent signee from last summer who wound up in New Jersey. And it's not Gomes' fault that he's not LeBron James, the main prize from the Free Agency frenzy of 2010. It is however his fault that he wasn't even a decent version of Ryan Gomes this season.
The good news in all of this is that it's painfully obvious what the Clippers need to do this summer. Just like last summer, they need to add a quality small forward.
Strengths
I'm reminded of the old joke about the young hick who was admonished by his mother to say nothing at all if he could think of nothing nice to say, so faced with an awkward silence on his blind date he blurts out "Gee, for a fat girl you sure don't sweat much."
Gomes did not do anything particularly well this season. Joining the team, he was supposed to be a high-IQ, low usage player who might be unspectacular, but who could be counted on to do the little things - make the extra pass, play solid defense, and shoot and rebound enough not to be a liability. Unfortunately, only the low usage part turned out to be true. On a team with players who theoretically needed a lot of touches at the four other starting spots heading into the season, it was definitely a good idea to have a player who could be productive without the ball in his hands. And among NBA players who started at least 50 games this season, Gomes had the eighth lowest usage, so that's good - kind of. The thing is, it's no real trick to be low usage if you aren't actually producing.
Gomes played reasonable, if mostly unremarkable defense as a Clipper. Far from a 'lock down' defender, his best moment probably came in the fifth game of the season (the Clippers first win) when he harassed Kevin Durant into a 6 for 24 shooting night. But games like that in which Gomes had a significant positive impact on the outcome were few and far between. And that one occurred way back in early November, so it's a pretty distant memory now.
Weaknesses
For the most part, NBA players are fairly consistent from season to season. They may get more or fewer opportunities, in the form of minutes doled out by the coach, but veteran NBA players, in general terms, tend to produce very similar statistics on a per minute basis year over year. That's what makes this season from Gomes all the more remarkable. Case in point: in his previous four seasons, Gomes averaged between 10.9 and 13.3 13.6 and 15.3 points per 36 minutes. This season he averaged 7.2 9.4. In his entire five year career before this season, he averaged between 4.6 and 5.8 5.4 and 7.8 rebounds per 36 minutes. This season he averaged 3.3 4.4. Those numbers each represent over 30% in reduced productivity versus his career averages at the start of the season. He also shot career low percentages from the field (41% against better the 45% on his career at the beginning of the season) and even from the free throw line. There is only one statistical area I can find in which Ryan Gomes outperformed his career average by anything more than a rounding error - he only turned the ball over .7 times per 36 minutes, which I suppose is a good thing on a team that was turnover prone.
A barely serviceable shooter and rebounder based on his career numbers, this 30% erosion of production in those areas, not to mention the poor field goal shooting, turned him into one of the least efficient players in the entire league. Again among players who started at least 50 games, Gomes had the fifth worst PER (player efficiency rating) at 9.0. For those less familiar with PER, in principal it pegs the league average at 15, meaning that an average player should have a PER around 15. In theory, significantly higher than that indicates a very good player, while significantly lower indicates a very bad player. Below 10 usually indicates someone who shouldn't be on an NBA roster.
I'm no sports psychologist, but it seems to me that Gomes lacked confidence right from the outset of his first season with the Clippers. His first 13 games in LA featured shooting nights of 2 for 13, 1 for 6 (twice), and 0 for 4. And then he did something that NBA players really should not do - he stopped shooting. He passed up open shots time and again. When an NBA offense generates an open shot, and then the shooter passes it up, it rarely ends well. That shot was the goal of the offense on that possession. Creating a new one with an inevitably short shot clock is very difficult.
Gomes closed the season on a remarkable run - in the last eleven games in which he appeared (he missed the final six with soreness in his knees), he never made more than a single field goal in any game. He was a complete and total non-factor when he was on the floor.
Future with the Clippers
Gomes has two years left on a contract that is due to pay him $4M each season, so unless the Clippers can trade him (unlikely at least this year) or decide to walk away from an $8M commitment (even less likely), he's around for at least another season. I suppose this is as good a place as any to bring up the bright side of this situation - at least he's not making $7M for the next four seasons like Travis Outlaw. In the modern NBA, the two year contract is the new one year contract. Why? Because in year two it becomes an expiring contract and becomes useful as a trade chip, even if the player under the contract has no use. Gomes signed a three year deal, which it stands to reason is the new two year deal - the Clippers are stuck with him this season, but he could be a trade asset beginning next season. So there's that. (The above logic of course applies to Tuesday's subject Randy Foye as well - that $4.25M expiring deal could prove very useful at some point this season.)
Despite his lack of productivity this season, Gomes maintained a hold on the starting small forward position more or less from beginning to end. That's more an indictment of the other candidates (Rasual Butler, Al-Farouq Aminu and Jamario Moon) than a testament to Gomes, but it's a fact. The cupboard is pretty bare at the three, even if the 20 year old Aminu remains a possibility in the future as he improves and matures. If the Clippers are able to sign a veteran free agent small forward to step into the starter's role as is their intent, Gomes could provide depth at the position. If he can manage to play at his pre-2010 level, he could actually be a fairly productive backup. But if Ryan Gomes is the Clippers starting small forward for more than a handful of games next season for whatever reason, it will be a very, very bad sign.
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He was rubbish this year
If I grew a hair for each time he passed up an open look this season, I’d look like frickin’ Chewbacca.
Absolute pants. Trade him as soon as you find a taker.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
FYI Steve
The career numbers you cited are per game, not per 36 minutes (10.9-13.3 points, 4.6-5.8 rebounds).
Well crap...
Why would I do that? That’s not right at all.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll try to fix it, but I have no idea why I messed that up so badly. The whole point was to look at it from a per 36 standpoint.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
gomes was great
at clanging an open shot off the iron-or fouling someone shooting an impossible 3 with a half second on the clock. other than that, it was like playing 4 on 5 with him on the court
I'm reminded of a saying...
“Good from far but far from good”
Gomes had some career games against the Clippers (but who hasn’t) so maybe he appeared pretty good from afar but once you looked into his game (especially as a SF) then he was far far from good. He might be more serviceable as a back up 4 than a backup 3 based off his career splits at the positions.
I guess if he could play against the Wolves or Clippers everyday he might fare alright… but that’s just pure fantasy.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
he stoled money from Donald Sterling
even at 4 million he’s overpaid… his positives were worth a couple sentences and the only thing i came up with is his minutes got diminished as the season went on so he wound up being a total nonfactor even before he got hurt
by Brian Ahmed on May 5, 2011 11:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
“And then he did something that NBA players really should not do – he stopped shooting. He passed up open shots time and again. When an NBA offense generates an open shot, and then the shooter passes it up, it rarely ends well. That shot was the goal of the offense on that possession. Creating a new one with an inevitably short shot clock is very difficult.”
According to this logic, let’s bring back Ricky Davis – his willingness to shoot the ball in any set of circumstances will clearly allow us to progress as a team… oh… wait a minute…
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on May 5, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
Sure
Or just compare Gomes to Brian Cook. Cook was completely willing to take that shot. Obviously the preference is to have someone who can take and make the shot, if it’s an open look. Cook was a very willing shooter this season, Gomes not at all. I think if your job is NBA small forward, you have to take open shots. If you can’t make them, then you need another job.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Well we must then get Brian Cook into condition to play the 3 spot !!
Just picturing him trying to guard the Durants of the league makes me laugh !!
According to this logic, let’s bring back Al Thornton… oh… wait a minute…
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
According to this logic, let’s bring back Corey Maggette… oh… wait a minute…
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on May 5, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
haha... maggs
it’s funny how i couldnt stand him (his game) when he was here…and most everybody loved his 18 points a game. now i love to read about how his milwaukee and golden state teammates HATE playing with him because of all the reasons i used to cite… ballstopping and sellfish play.
he’s a nice guy, though.
"Good young core" doesn't win ballgames. Give me a young superstar and a veteran supporting cast.
Gomes in Perspective
Yes, he hasn’t “earned” his contract, but honestly, players for his role and contract are less assured than draft picks in panning out. He’s nothing more than “bench” depth for any team that had a reasonable option at SF. Unless you’re a championship team signing players attempting to gravy-train a ring (at low minimum sized contracts), paying anything less than the MLE means risking money upon a player that will most likely be inconsistent and honestly shouldn’t be relied upon for anything significant. R.Gomes would probably have better moments if the demand for him to produce wasn’t so direct and high.
The ideal scenario of course as any members of Clippers Nation have noted is to either bring in a premier PG to cover up the short comings of players, or trade for like D.Howard so the Clippers can just sign up gravy-train players. Whether this is realistic of course in any sense is for interpretation
+1
Agree with you completely.
paying anything less than the MLE means risking money upon a player that will most likely be inconsistent and honestly shouldn’t be relied upon for anything significant. R.Gomes would probably have better moments if the demand for him to produce wasn’t so direct and high.
Expectations on Gomes were too high going into the season. DTS expected cap space and new practice facility to attract an All STAR.
Clips
Paid a combined 9.5 million for Foye, Gomes and Cook this year. Maybe signing a good player for that figure and two minimum contract guys is the better play.
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by ClipperChuck on May 5, 2011 7:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cook was minimum
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 5, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If anything positive can be said about gomes
it’s that he made the case that we need a good small forward. Someone who can make the open shot and be more than just a defensive body. Sad that we have his contract for another 2 years, I’m hoping we can draft kyle singler this year with our 2nd round pick.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on May 5, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions
hmmm you are reaching my brother!
i think we already knew we needed a small forward before Gomes stunk it up this year.
P.S. STeve are you going to do a write up on Rasual Butler? I’d love to hear how horrible he was. It was probably the worst i’ve ever seen an NBA player play that got major minutes…
"Good young core" doesn't win ballgames. Give me a young superstar and a veteran supporting cast.
drew the line
We decided to just do the players that finished the season with the team… so no Rasual, no Collins and no Baron. Baron will no doubt come up in the Mo Williams discussion. But as for Rasual, no real point in pulling at that thread.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 5, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"Among players who started at least 50 games, Gomes had the fifth worst PER"
Kind of shocking that half of those bottom 6 players are currently starting for legitimate championship contenders in the playoffs, in Keith Bogans, Derek Fisher, and DeShawn Stevenson.
What the hell is going on??
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
good question...
A few points on that…
1) Stevenson and Bogans are both starters in name only. Korver and Brewer both played more minutes than Bogans, Terry and Barea are much more important on Dallas than Stevenson. Unfortunately, Gomes really was the starter for LA.
2) Fisher is Fisher. It’s not news that he’s not super productive, but his teammates a pretty good, so his team is still playing.
3) If you expanded the list a little more, you’d see names like Thabo Sefolosha and Shane Battier (of course Battier isn’t a starter at this point, but he still plays starters minutes more or less), both on good teams. Those are the guys that you actually want Gomes to be. Guys who don’t need the ball, are very low usage, but play great D and help in lots of little ways that aren’t necessarily reflected in the stats.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
point 3
Sounds alot like Josh Childress.
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by ClipperChuck on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of "starters in name only"
How can Terry or Lamar ever be considered “6th men” when they both played the 3rd most minutes for their respective teams? The whole “energy off the bench” mumbo jumbo just implies that they can’t score against first-string defense, which cheapens the award. I also don’t understand this philosophy of starting the inferior player that you don’t intend to play the rest of the game. But maybe it seems to work, given the teams who employ the strategy (including San Antonio of old, bringing Manu off the pine).
But back to your 3rd point… wow Sefolosha and Battier surprised me. This might just be a reflection of the fact that PER doesn’t do a good job of valuing a player’s defense or other intangible contributions. I think we were definitely hoping that’s what Gomes would be for us. Interesting that upon expanding the search, out of the top 20, 12 are all on playoff teams (and contribute regularly). There’s apparently a fine statistical line between being a Travis Outlaw and a Thabo Sefolosha.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Fine statistical line
There’s a sort of logic to the idea for low producing players on good teams. Regarding QRoss, I always said that he’s useful on a good team, but terrible on a bad team. A bad team can’t afford to play 4 on 5 on offense. But if you’ve got Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, then the fact that Sefolosha doesn’t shoot is a non-issue, and he can concentrate on everything else. There’s only one basketball, and if you’ve got players who need the ball (and of course if they are actually doing good things with the ball), then you want to pair them with guys who are able to contribute without the ball. Travis Outlaw is the best example of the OPPOSITE of that. Trout is absolutely at his best with the ball, going one on one. Unfortunately, his best just isn’t all that good.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
How do you pronounce his last name? I’ve always heard it pronounced in a way that rhymes with homes or gnomes. This year I’ve heard it different ways. One being like Gomez (a teammate said it like that right in front of Ryan). That’s all I have to say about his first season with the Clips.
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Rhymes with homes
It’s Portuguese in origin, if I understand correctly. Basically, the Portuguese equivalent of the Spanish Gomez. But the pronunciation (which is probably Americanized quite a bit) is Gomes.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Ahh yes
And San Diego was once known as Santiago……meaning whales vagina.
God Bless Ron Burgundy
for that one, i give you 2 tickets to the GUN SHOW!
"Good young core" doesn't win ballgames. Give me a young superstar and a veteran supporting cast.
Stay Classy, Natedog
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on May 5, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks. I have a thing for pronouncing people's names correctly and hoped that I wasn't wrong after all these years.
DJ was the player saying Ryan “Gomez” in the video.
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by Lawler 4ever on May 6, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember a tweet from him about how people need to stop pronouncing it “Gomez”…
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Can we even move for a bag of chips?
Or is his value lower than that.
lower
He’s negative value. You’d have to trade him for another bad deal or give up a draft pick to get rid of him.
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by ClipperChuck on May 5, 2011 6:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
everybody "cried" Zach Randolph was untradeable
…that Baron was untradeable or Juwan Howard or Eddy Curry….ok Eddie Curry is the one untradeable at this point. But no person is untradeable.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
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by Takebb909 on May 5, 2011 9:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I was expecting the Strengths column to read
N/A
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
+1
LOL
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on May 7, 2011 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Gomes confidence was shot from the beginning of the season.
Am sure he cared about the games, but at times he just looked like he didn’t care. I know you maybe having an off year (career), but play hard and try to do something out there. Take the open shot. Your shot is not going down..help out on the boards..play tough defense..do something.

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