Ricky Rubio and Minnesota's 2012 First-Round Pick
It's only been two weeks since the grisly results of the NBA draft lottery, but the collective anxiety of Clippers fans jumped a notch with yesterday's news that the Timberwolves have finally signed Ricky Rubio to a contract. The No. 5 selection in the 2009 draft will be playing for Minnesota next season -provided, of course, there is a next season - and his performance should have at least a small effect on the value of the 2012 first-round pick the Wolves owe the Clippers.
The Clippers have eagerly been awaiting next year's draft since making a trade in 2005 that sent Marko Jaric and Lionel Chalmers to Minnesota in exchange for Sam Cassell and a conditional first-round pick. That pick officially loses its lottery protection in 2012 and, given the Wolves' recent history, could very well become a top-5 selection.
With Rubio on board, though, it's difficult to imagine Minnesota being worse in 2011-2012 than its 17-65 record this season. Rubio will enter the league as a wild card, but the core of Kevin Love, Michael Beasley and Wesley Johnson should be a year better, the Wolves have the No. 2 pick in this month's draft, and Rubio himself should benefit from the more liberating style of play stateside. And though the 20-year-old point guard has had a disappointing last season with FC Barcelona, he's also been dealing with a foot injury while playing in the most competitive basketball league outside the NBA.
If ever there were a time for Rubio to transition to the U.S., this was it (the deadline for signing a deal under the current rookie wage scale was Tuesday). As Chad Ford wrote on TrueHoop today, "perhaps it's no coincidence that the struggling Rubio and the struggling Wolves are now, finally, falling into each other's arms."
That timing could prove unfortunate for the Clippers, who will soon have to look on helplessly as Rubio influences the fortunes of his new team. As was the case with the first-round pick the Clippers sent to the Cavaliers in the Baron Davis-Mo Williams trade, there's nothing anyone can do to change the fact that the deal was made, but in this instance, the Clips have real cause to pay attention to how the other team fares. If Rubio exceeds expectations in his rookie season, the Clippers may give extra consideration to trading the Minnesota pick, which likely will remain a valuable asset regardless of how Rubio fares.
But the more probable scenario is that, unless they absolutely need it to swing a deal for an impact small forward between now and the CBA's expiration date of June 30, the Clippers hold on to the pick, even through the end of next season. It's no secret that Donald Sterling has always been loath to give up first-round selections (obviously, it helps that the Clippers are often in the lottery), and next year's draft figures to be heavy on talent. The prospect of adding, say, Harrison Barnes to the Clippers' current core, and at a lower price than required by a premier free agent, would be appealing to most owners, really.
Of course, there's always the possibility that Rubio turns out to be the Wolves' savior as early as Year One. It's a faint possibility, though, and besides, predicting how an international player will do in the NBA has rarely proven vindicating. After that, there are dozens of other variables to consider in Minnesota, from Kurt Rambis's tenuous coaching situation, to Jonny Flynn's likely departure, to what the Wolves do with this year's No. 2 overall pick (while there has been speculation that Minnesota now wants to move down in the draft, SI's Chris Mannix tweeted the opposite yesterday).
Keep in mind these are the Wolves we're talking about. Marginal improvement seems likely with the additions of Rubio - at least above a platoon of Luke Ridnour and Flynn - and another lottery talent, but, as we're all too familiar with, 10-15 more wins is a lot to ask from a very young team with a history of mismanagement and iffy coaching. It's far more realistic to expect something along the lines of 5-7 more victories, and not the one-of-a-kind turnaround the Thunder pulled off in 2009-2010.
Even a generous upgrade might not be enough to drag Minnesota safely out of the lottery next season. It's about percentages here, and chances are, Rubio isn't going to make a huge difference in his rookie season. Blake Griffin had a historic debut and, with all the moving - and oftentimes injured - parts around him, could still only lead his team to a three-win improvement.
The Wolves waited two years for their pick to finally materialize into a player. The Clippers have already waited five years for what could still end up being an equally attractive pick. In all likelihood, they'll be content to wait a little longer.
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what happens if there is no season next year
…but an agreement is in place for the following season thereafter? How would the NBA determine the 2012 draft order since there was no regular season?
According to Larry Coon (CBA Guru),
If the 2011-12 season was canceled, then the 2012 draft (lottery and order) would be addressed in the new CBA.
My guess is that there would be a league-wide lottery with percentages (lotto combinations) based on the averaged standings of the last 2 or 3 seasons.
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that would be nice
and would really screw cleveland.
Hypothetical
NBADraft.net has Cleveland selecting Derrick Williams #1. If that happened, would Minnesota select Kyrie Irving #2? Seems pretty unlikely, but wonderfully ironic. I have faith whatever happens, Kahn will get it wrong.
NBADraft.net must be on crack
No way the Cavs are selecting Williams instead of Irving!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
if cleveland picks williams
we should consider offering the minny pick for irving.
What???
Don’t tell me you have lost hope for Bledsoe?
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
irving is better than bledsoe
besides you definetly trade a sure thing for a maybe.
I wouldn't say that Irving is good enough to be considered a sure thing
especially after coming off an injury at Duke, although he probably has a higher chance of success than Bledsoe.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Explain to me.
How can Rubio be under contract with FIBA and the NBA at the same time?
by sqrebck on Jun 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I believe the deal hasn't been "officially" announce
So, they are awating the end of the Euroleague
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Can a team back date a contract to overlap an existing contract?
Rather is this another Ricky promise, wasn’t the ability to negotiate not permitted during the SOFO courtship.
by sqrebck on Jun 2, 2011 7:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe the Wolves didn't do that but they are on hook for a buyout!
According to the following yahoo article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=sportsxchange-000338087_ricky-rubio-signs-contract-with-timberwolves
“Rubio reportedly signed May 31, the last day he could secure a contract for next season under the terms of the league’s current labor agreement.”
“According to CBSSports.com’s Ken Berger, Rubio agreed to a $1.2 million buyout with FC Barcelona Tuesday, $500,000 of which is paid by Minnesota under NBA rules.”
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
La Vangardia is not proclaiming an absolute deal...
Apparently it is also pursuant to no Lock out occurring July 1. (why would Rubio lose a million + to be locked out of the NBA)
more confusion...
Apparently he can not exercise his exit clause until the final game. And he will have up to 10 days to do so.
The question still exist, how can you be under contract by two different teams?
I'm happy those Wolves sign Rubio!
His name simply just rolls of one’s tongue very smoothly!!! Also, what the hell are the Wolves thinking? Kahn should get off the cannibus! Ricky Rubio is weak a PG who has been relegated to the bench, plus he is averaging roughly 6.6 pointsble per game! Dude has been a bust since they called his name on draft day! This is truly a blessing for the Clippers from the basketball Gods! Riiiiiickyyyyyyyy Ruuuuubiiiiiiiioooooo!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
Please get your facts straight. Rubio was not "relegated to the bench?"
Here are Rubio’s Euroleague stats. He started 17 of 20 games and played an increasing number of minutes during each of Barcelona’s four playoff games. No Barcelona player started more games or played more minutes than Rubio did during the past season. So where did you get this idea of Rubio being benched?
BTW your link shows Rubio's 2006-2007 stats
But the 2010-2011 stats do show he started 17 out of 20 and in fact, he started his four recent playoff games against Panathinaikos. But, it also shows that his minutes are down, hence the relegation to the bench.
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
I see 2010-11 stats when I click on both links. His career stats are at the bottom of the his Euroleague page. The second link shows his team’s stats, and he still leads Barcelona in games started and minutes played this year. So if Rubio’s relegated to the bench, then Barcelona must not have any starters.
Is it at all troubling?
that his teammate (Carlos Juan Navarro) was much better than Rubio? I know the EL stats don’t translate all that well the the NBA but Navarro had no problem putting up very nice shooting %s while Rubio clearly struggled shooting. He does show some quick hands (1.6 steals in just 22 minutes a game) so I can see why there are young Jason Kidd comparisons.
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by ClipperChuck on Jun 10, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Rubio is way overrated
he is coming off struggling in the Euro league and actually getting benched, he will have little to no impact and Wolves will suck again next year.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
+1
I see him showing flashes but not really making a large impact in terms of wins/losses his first year. He is an intriguing talent and could be great one day, but nothing ive seen thus far has me convinced.
Ricky Rubio will be great
Ok….I don’t truly believe that, but for the sake of a different opinion, I’m offering it.
He’s not the fastest guy and he’s not a good shooter. He’s a tall PG (6’4"), has good court vision, good handles, rail-thin, and is a true PG. Sounds like a Shaun Livingston.
Minnesota would be a good place for him. Expectations are low and there’s less distraction.
Luke Ridnour can show him the ropes.
NBA Bball is very full-court oriented, which should fit Rubio’s style. If you look at the T-Wolves roster, they do have some talent, with Beasley and Love. It’s not unreasonable for them to improve 5-10 games. Only time will tell.
This is going to be my team, and we're going to rise together.
-Clipper Darrell
Rubio will be given playing time at the beginning of the season..
by the end he will be behind Ridnour and Flynn. I don’t think he will have any impact on the Wolves. He will be puffed up by the media at first, but after awhile it will fizzle away. He will return to Europe after a couple years.
This is great news for the Clippers.
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by FlyByKnight on Jun 3, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
D Stern looks to be 5'8"
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I'm just glad Baron is gone
I can’t get upset about ‘losing’ what turned out to be the number 1 pick, or the Wolves signing Rubio, or even if the Wolves make the play offs and the Clipper pick falls; I am just glad to be rid of Baron. Aside from his laziness and his declining game, he was a cancer on the team. As long as he was a Clipper, Gordon and Griffin would never be able to direct the team forward.
This could be good for the Wolves long term...
But I don’t think it helps them much or even at all in the short term. Lost in this discussion is that Ridnour was actually one of the Wolves’ most productive players last season, and has a game that is similar in many ways to Rubio’s. I like Ricky and I think he has the potential to be very good – but I also think he’s in for a pretty massive adjustment period, and it’s my guess that the Wolves would be better with Ridnour playing most of the minutes next season.
The team is adding two top five picks to their roster, which certainly shouldn’t hurt. But, by the same token, for a very young team to get even younger is rarely going to pay immediate dividends. I’d be pretty surprised if the Wolves got out of the bottom two in the West, and I fully expect the 2012 pick to be very valuable. Having said that, brighter days may well be on the horizon for the Wolves; just not in this coming season.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
trade next year's unprotected pick to Minny for their pick this year?
if it can net the clips irving?

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