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The Korolev Story - A Comedy of Errors

In the comment section of the 2005 Los Angeles Clippers draft post by citizen peterghost (thanks for stepping up again PG, and to the rest of you slackers, jump on in), citizen Piatkowski asked how it came to be that Yaroslav Korolev was drafted so highly. I started to write a reply in the comments and then realized "Hey, I can stretch this into a relatively cheap front page post during a period when I'm struggling to come up with front page material." Here is that post.

Korolev looked great, maybe even dominant in the 2005 European U18 Championships as a 17 year old. He turned 18 a month before the 2005 draft, and this was before the current age limit, so he was draft eligible as the equivalent of a very young high school senior. His skill set was tantalizing - he had perfect small forward size at 6'9", surprisingly good athleticism and good length. But it was his ball-handling and passing that really intrigued - he was a point forward, and was considered a high risk, high reward pick by draft experts at the time. The word was, if you didn't need help right away and could afford to draft him and hang onto him for a couple of seasons, there could be a big payoff.

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Then-Clipper-Coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. fell hard for the young Russian. The Freshman Psychology reason isn't difficult to decipher - he saw his son in the kid. Mike Dunleavy Jr. had been the third pick in the 2002 draft. MDjr and YK are both 6'9". They're both coach's sons. They're both highly skilled for their size. Did MDsr regret not getting the chance to coach his own son, and find a surrogate in Korolev? It's a stretch, but it might have been a factor.

Two other names were major factors in the Korolev pick: Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol. Nowitzki was the best player in the 1998 NBA draft, while Pau was the best player picked in 2001. Both were big, young Europeans with skill sets that belied their size. The myth was growing that European club teams did a better job of developing skills, and everyone in the NBA started searching for "the next Dirk."

In theory Korolev was an interesting pick. In practice, MDsr and the Clippers made several tragic errors, each of which are completely obvious in hindsight, but were pretty damn obvious at the time as well.

Error Number 1 - They were chasing something that didn't really exist. By 2005, plenty of teams had already stumbled badly looking for "the next Dirk" and it seemed increasingly clear that Nowitzki and Gasol were simply unique talents as opposed to the vanguard of a new wave of European superstars. Some of the most legendary busts in NBA draft history were big Euros drafted in the years between 2001 (Gasol) and 2005 (Korolev). There is no Draft Bust Hall of Fame, but if there were, Nikoloz Tskitilkadsfl;ja (2002) and Darko Milicic (2003) would join Michael Olowokandi and Korolev there. Most teams seemed to have learned their lesson by 2005 - MDsr had not.

Error Number 2 - They ignored level of competition. Korolev had looked great in the U18 Championship. He had dominated the Russian Junior League. What he had not done - ever - was play basketball against men. The two riskiest types of picks in the NBA over the last decade or so have been foreign players and high school players - in Korolev, the Clippers essentially combined two high risk categories. In 2004-2005, he was on the top club team in Russia, CSKA Moscow - but he was playing for the Junior team. He actually got called up a couple of times - but had played fewer than 30 minutes with the Senior team in his career. In this case, Nowitzki is truly the exception - I can not think of any other European player who had any success in the NBA without first playing in a top European league. At the time of the 2005 draft, Korolev had done all his damage against 17 year olds and in an empty gym during pre-draft workouts. Is it any surprise he wasn't ready for NBA competition?

Error Number 3 - They drafted him too high. This is obvious in retrospect, but most draft experts at the time had Korolev as a late first round pick. No one had him in the lottery based on merit. A few of them actually did have him in the lottery of their mock drafts, always going to the Clippers. Word was out that Korolev had a first round promise, and everyone knew it was from the Clippers. The 'draft promise' is something that has never made any sense to me, and this is a great example of where it can really backfire (more on that in the next error). More importantly, although clearly Dunleavy was spooked that someone else was going to snap up Korolev, based on the buzz at the time, it wasn't going to be anyone in the top 20. If YK was really the right guy, fine, but why not trade down and get another asset if no one else is looking at the kid this high?

Error Number 4 - They made a promise. Promises have very little upside, but they have a very specific downside - what happens if a significantly better player drops to your draft position, for whatever reason? Now your stuck drafting the guy you made a promise to and passing up a golden opportunity. When the Clippers draft spot rolled around at 12, there were two players who were universally projected as top 10 picks still on the board - Danny Granger and Gerald Green. Granger is the guy everyone always talks about, since he turned into an All Star. In the interest of intellectual honesty, I like to include Green in the discussion, since he was projected just as high as Granger in 2005. Green of course went on to be just as big a bust as Korolev, so I guess you never know. But Granger seemed to many a sure thing, he played the position the Clippers needed to shore up, and indeed he's turned out to be one of the better players from the draft. But the Clippers couldn't make the obvious pick because they'd made a promise. Here's what DraftExpress said about the pick in their Draft Grades (the Clippers got a D, BTW):

The Clippers showed everyone in this draft why they are the LA Clippers, immediately reserving a spot once again for a favorable place in next year’s lottery. They made a promise way too early to Yaroslav Korolev and paid dearly for that by seeing much better players who fill an immediate need for them go right by them and having nothing they could do to stop it from happening. To add insult to error, they also let the entire world and their mother know who they made a promise to, reminding us again why they’ve become the laughing stock of the NBA over the past 20 years.

Error Number 5 - They didn't leave him in Europe. The Clippers had won 37 games the season before, and had some several positions solidified with Elton Brand, Corey Maggette and Chris Kaman. MDsr seemed to think that he could think long term in the 2005 draft and wouldn't need immediate help (he was at least partially correct on this one, as the Clippers had their best season ever in 05-06). Korolev, even in the best case scenario, was too young to contribute right away; he was the long term play. Granger was the NBA-ready guy after four years of college ball. Because they appeared to be thinking long term I just assumed the Clippers would leave Korolev in Russia for a season or two - let him develop on CSKA's dime before the clock started ticking on his NBA rookie deal. Instead, they brought him over right away.

 

Error Number 6 - They didn't develop him. It now seems evident that it wasn't going to happen for Korolev at any rate. He's kicked around the European leagues and the D-League, he's been in camp with NBA teams, but at the age of 24 now it seems clear he's just not an NBA player. But the Clippers never gave their lottery pick much of a chance. He barely got any burn his rookie season - a measly 127 minutes. Amazingly, he played even less in his second season. For some reason, MDsr didn't even play him much in pre-season games. Rather than send him down to the D-League where he could at least get some all-important game experience playing against real life competition that was after all much better than anything he'd seen to that point in his career, MDsr kept him with the big club the entirety of both seasons. Most of that time was spent wearing a suit during games, and possibly fetching towels during practice. First round picks from 2005 forward received contracts for two guaranteed seasons, with team options for seasons three and four. After just two seasons, Korolev was out of the league, the Clippers admitting their mistake by not exercising his option and finally waiving him in 2007 training camp.

So that's the story of Yaroslav Korolev. One of the worst picks in history, the result of a comedy of errors.

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Great writeup

Brings back painful memories. I will never forget MDSr’s smugness when asked about the pick at the time. Good point about the MDJr connection.

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by Jax on Aug 16, 2011 4:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Was Elgin Baylor the main culprit behind wanting to take this guy so early in draft?

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by PV Mike on Aug 16, 2011 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Just reread and it sound like it was MDSr's

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by PV Mike on Aug 16, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was definitely MDSr's choice...

Those were the days when Dunleavy was the defacto boss though Elgin had the title. Elgin’s last draft pick on his own was Chris Kaman. Dunleavy took credit for everyone after that (starting with Shawn Livingston).

by John Raffo on Aug 16, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

What he said

This was MDsr all the way. In Baylor’s lawsuit, he complained of being pushed to the side in these years, despite still having the GM title.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 16, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

update:

korolev blew out his knee playing in spannish league this past season.

but, it does appear that his shooting has improved a touch.

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by Clipochistic on Aug 16, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

the Clippers curse was a little late

but still in full effect

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by KidJustin on Aug 16, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Xfactor26 on Aug 16, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

"But the Clippers couldn't make the obvious pick because they'd made a promise."

I don’t understand. How rock solid are these promises from a club to draft a player?

Say the Pistons made a promise to draft Darko and the Cavs end up taking Melo Number One. Detroit would really have to pass on LeBron at that point?

This promise BS makes it even worse. We didn’t draft Granger because we technically COULDN’T at that point? WTF?

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by Gordon for President on Aug 16, 2011 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

That's not what Steve wrote.

He says the Clippers hands were tied and they couldn’t draft Granger after he slipped because of the “promise”.

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by Gordon for President on Aug 16, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

well yeah, but I just mean in general.

Like if Chris Paul or Deron Williams fell all the way to 12th pick which was unlikely, I’m sure Clippers would’ve broke the promise. I guess Danny Granger was just someone they thought they could’ve risked losing out on.

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

Obviously the “promise” is not a binding contract or anything, so for me to say their “hands were tied” is overstating it. If you broke that promise, the ramifications would be with the agent and any of his future clients, but also with other agents whom he told. The real question is why make the promise in the first place? I just don’t see enough upside in the whole “not working out for other teams” thing.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

forgot about the Agent part of it

in general, that makes sense….similar to the Falk mad at the Clips for not drafting Bibby only to have Brand defect years later

but as far as this year….maybe it would be fun to look at who Korolev’s agent was at the time and what other players share that agent. did any of those players find those players onto the Clippers? are any of them anyone significant?…did Korolev even have an agent?

I mean, what if by some random dumb luck Korolev’s agent at the time is CP3’s agent now…free agency comes rolling around and we call up that agent “for the favor of drafting his player Korolev years back”

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by KidJustin on Aug 17, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I did five minutes of research...

Korolev’s agent in 2010 was Marc Fleisher, who reps mostly guys from overseas… his biggest names are Mehmet Okur and Andre Kirilenko. Not sure if he repped Korolev in 2005.

by John Raffo on Aug 17, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Promises

I can only remember one instance where a promise worked out was when Boston promised to draft Bakersfield local Robert Swift at 15th. Based on the fact that Boston loved him, and without ever working him out, Seattle drafted him at 12th. Of course, Swift ended up being terrible. Boston ended up drafting Al Jefferson at 15th (who performed much better in all of the high school all-star games). Of course, Jefferson ended up being the centerpiece of the package that landed the Celtics Kevin Garnett. However, I doubt Boston really had that 2nd level of thinking and was really planning on drafting Swift far higher than he was worth.

I think promises make sense in the late late first round to induce an underclassman a team loves to stay in the draft. However, they make absolutely no sense in the lottery. For the simple fact that Korolev would been available far later in the draft, the Clippers made a horrific pick at the time as well as in hindsight. Although no one saw Granger and/or Green dropping to the 12th pick, the Clippers’ dumb promise locked them into Korolev.

Also, I wouldn’t call Green nearly as high of a bust as Korolev. He had much more flashes of brilliance due to his size and athleticism and was a key part of the Kevin Garnett trade. I really don’t think Minnesota does that trade if it was Korolev instead of Green.

by BtheKUTA on Aug 16, 2011 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

promises...

so what happens if they break their promise to a draftee?

…absolutely nothing

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by KidJustin on Aug 16, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Clippers would lose their outstanding reputation!

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by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fantastic reputation!

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by Xfactor26 on Aug 16, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not just to keep a kid in the draft...

It’s also to keep him from working out for other teams. “We’ll guarantee that we’ll pick you here, if you stay home for a couple of weeks.” It keeps a player away from potential injury and sliding down if the workouts don’t go well.

by John Raffo on Aug 16, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we say that Clippers gave Aminu a draft promise then,

since he worked out secretly with the Clippers super early without anyone knowing and then gave weak workouts to teams like the Pistons and Warriors.

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope this organization learns from the many past mistakes.

No promises, do some real scouting..watching a vhs tape isn’t enough, don’t follow fads (at that time europeans were very popular…next what will it be..eskimos). Do your homework and pick the best player available.

by tenkaistar on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Eskimos

I remember when they had that Guinness Book of World Records show, the brother of the Tai Bo guy was competing for the highest jump kick. He was wearing spandex, and he got beaten by an eskimo kid wearing jeans and T shirt. Like my old pappi used to say, never under any circumstances should you underestimate an eskimo.

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by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Boozer is an eskimo

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Past mistakes...

It’s interesting. Dunleavy was big on workouts. He had Eric Gordon in for a workout and was so excited he tried to move up in the draft to take him (or so goes the tale). He worked out Livingston and Thornton in person as well… but this year, I don’t think either of those 2nd round picks came in, and while, yeah, they’re second rounders, they were apparently drafted at least partly because they were recommended by their own agent, Arn Tellem. Shades of the old Clippers.

by John Raffo on Aug 16, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their 2nd rounders

Tape and recommendations are enough to consider drafting them, they don’t have any guarantee of making the team and you try and take low risk high reward picks at that point in the draft.

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by bestclipfan on Aug 16, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple of things...

The Clippers did not in fact work out Thornton, though Phoenix did let them watch his work out for them, IIRC.

Olshey’s stance on workouts is that if they’ve done their homework, they’re not going to learn that much more watching a guy do drills against an assistant coach.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty good stance ;)

Relying so much on workouts seems dumb… I’m willing to bet that a lot of guys who kill in the workouts/combines don’t really do much on the court, Darko-style.

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by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh right

Combines are more like… football drills, yeah?

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by Erik O on Aug 17, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

But even still, my point stands about relying on an analysis of someone’s basketball skills when they are playing against fake/no defense. It’s far too small of a sample size to matter anyway.

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by Erik O on Aug 17, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Workouts

Workouts may be ‘more’ basketball oriented, but it’s still a very small snapshot, usually in at best a 3 on 3 situation. Some guys are ‘workout’ wonders – look great in that situation but never do much in games. I’m always dubious of guys who shoot up the draft during workout season. If they were lower ranked based on actual basketball (in college or overseas or wherever) shouldn’t that be the best way to evaluate them?

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 17, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

on the right side, there should be an add media button.

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw it, but how do I browse for pictures?

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by Newton Pham on Aug 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just use google.

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a bit of a catch-22...

Officially, you’re not supposed to just download images you find. SBNation has an agreement with Getty, but standard users don’t have access to the image database (actually, even I don’t have access to it, but I do at least have access to AP Photos which you do not). So, you should only use Getty images, but you can’t. See?

The bottom line is that if you use an image, and that photographer complains about it, no one gets in trouble provided I take it down in a timely manner.

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by Steve Perrin on Aug 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because they are good in europe it doesn't translate to the NBA!

The prime example of Korolev is going to be Ricky Rubio this season. Too much
overhype and no substances. How many players like Nowitzki have they found in
europe. When people ask me about foreign affairs, I have always said if you are
going to have an affair always make it a domestic one because you always know
what you are going to get.

by ENCUEROMAN on Aug 16, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Look where we are at with Korolev.

Imagine how DEN feels with Skita. Melo made everyone forget that; Blake will do the same.

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by Gordon for President on Aug 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NBA

Where promises happen

by AtotheZ on Aug 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

speakin of dirk...

steve, at the start of the playoffs, didn’t you predict that the mavs wouldn’t win the chip (due to caron’s injury)? reverse mojo still in effect. time to make a post saying the season is doomed and the lockout will never end.

by jon y on Aug 16, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

yea the promise thing never made much sense

I can kinda see why teams would “offer” a promise, if you have a TOP talent that wants to live in LA over lets say milwalkee/minnisota/cleveland, etc. or thinks your team would be a good fit, then the promise keeps them from working out with other teams. Giving a promise to a projected end of the 1st pick, when you’re sitting in the lottery, i’m not sure how that benefits either side.

For the player, I suppose it gives them security, and don’t risk injury in workouts and extra exhibitions. But can you really rely on these “promises”?

by osamu on Aug 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks for the in depth article Steve

I knew there was a lot surrounding the Yaro pick and his subsequent time with the Clippers. It was like a perfect storm of suckiness.

by Piatkowski on Aug 16, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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