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Former Draft Picks and What Happened to Them - 2004

In true Clipper spirit, the 2004 draft represented what could have been.  Another high draft pick, another year of promise, of potential and of hope.  The dreaded word potential…there’s potential every season, but we will get to our irrational love for this team and penchant for pain in another post.    This isn’t about us, it’s about the guys who were drafted in 2004.

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Clippers 2004-2005 NBA Draft

  • Clippers trade #2 pick (Emeka Okafor) for the #4 and #34 
  • Clippers pick Shaun Livingston with the #4 pick
  • Clippers pick Lionel Chalmers with the #34 pick

 

Shaun Livingston

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Shaun brings back fond, yet painful memories (both literally and figuratively).   The fourth pick in the draft was meant to be the future of the Clippers.  Point guards who stand at 6’7 with a wingspan of 6’11 don’t come around often. We have the habit of being too fixated on the players height and not enough on the skill set, however Shaun was different.  The kid truly possessed point guard skills; a highly intelligent player with solid ball handling and a knack for creativity.  He lacked a deft shooting touch, but what he lacked in shooting he made up for in passing ability.  His high "basketball IQ," bolstered by his height, gave him above average court vision and enabled him to make passes that most other point guards couldn’t.  All he needed to do was grow into his lanky frame…

Writing this saddens me a bit, as I think of what could have been.  Shaun was a rare talent with an even rarer physical tool set. Some compared him to Magic Johnson, although I am not ready to go that far.   Flashes of brilliance were always stifled by injury ridden seasons.  If it weren’t for the injuries…oh right the injuries.  Or should I say, THE injury?  Coming off a season where the Clippers had made the playoffs for the second time ever (and were one three pointer away from the Western Conference Finals), team confidence was high and Shaun was set for a breakout.  The breakout never happened.  It ended in a gruesome and devastating injury (thought to be career ending at the time).  His leg snapped and he injured almost every part of his knee; tearing the ACL, PCL and the lateral meniscus, badly spraining the MCL, and dislocating his patella and his tibia-femoral joint.

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Now, all we will ever talk about is what he could have been.  How he would have been great if it weren’t for injuries.  Sadly he will be remembered more for his wince inducing knee injury, than for his gifts as a basketball player.

It does not all end badly.  As a testament to his desire to play and work ethic, Livingston made an improbable comeback.  Doctors had written him off.  Most figured he could never play again, let alone at the highest level of basketball.  Yet he did.  He struggled, fought, went to training camps, auditioned, played in the d-league for two years until he got his chance and played well enough to stick.  He had a great season with Charlotte, averaging a per 36 of 13.7 points, 4.7 assists and 4.3 rebounds a game.  As part of a deal made during the 2011 draft, he was traded to the Milwaukee Bucks, where I hope he continues to have success.

 

Lionel Chalmers

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Second round picks in the NBA draft usually don’t have outstanding NBA careers and Lionel is no exception.  He was a bit older, playing all four years of college and even as a graduate student at Xavier , where he led the team to the elite eight.  As a Clipper he played in 34 games, but eventually was traded as a throw in along with Marco Jaric for Sam Cassell, our loveable alien who helped carry the Clippers into the playoffs.

He’s had a fairly solid career overseas.  After being let go he’s played in Greece, Russia (where he lead the league in scoring), Italy and now the Eurocup.  In 2010 he averaged 16.2 points, 4.3 RPG and 3.8 assists for Enisey Krasnoyarski.  He recently signed with Lokomotiv Kuban.

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Yayyyy

Nice work Newtybar :D

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Very Nice

I miss Shaun, he was my favorite player after Brand. Even got his jersey

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by peterghost on Aug 16, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I recall Livingston having a game winning, buzzer beating layup against the Bobcats

I can’t remember when it was, I think it was his rookie season. I was also fascinated by Shaun’s potential and I remember the game before the injury he had a career game against the Raptors and it looked like he was ready to explode. He had such great athleticism and he would have been a nightmare for teams on offense and probably could have been a capable defender (actually I think he had a couple of blocks on Kobe and couple of blocks in the elimination game against Denver). I really hope Shaun proves everyone wrong and has a great season in Milwaukee, and who knows maybe some day he could end up back on the clippers I definitely wouldn’t mind.

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Aug 16, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

hell yeah, i’d love to have him back

by Worlock on Aug 16, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

we need a passing point guard anyways..and with Baron gone i dont see why we can’t at least give him the opportunity to win the starting spot here

granted he’s knee is held up and he proves that his durability is improved

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by KidJustin on Aug 17, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just watched the Charlotte Bobcats 2011 highlights...

Looks like he is feeling A LOT better.

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by Newton Pham on Aug 17, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was killing it for the Wizards, he kept having monster games for them at the end of 09-10.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Aug 17, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

What... 14 assists that game iirc?

I was so excited for him…

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, as for defense

I remember a lot of talk about his defense being what really set him apart from other rookies. And yeah i definitely remember the double blocks on Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRP6Sy8ICwA

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by Erik O on Aug 16, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

His length and sneaky lateral quickness helped.

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by Newton Pham on Aug 16, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will never forget that game.

I remember bragging to my cousin, a Lakers fan, that Shaun had 14 pt 14 ast just a game before the injury.

"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell

by cliptakular on Aug 16, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was on Livingston "high"

"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell

by cliptakular on Aug 16, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't find any video of the game with the Shaun Livingston game winning layup

anyone else have any recollection of it.

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by bestclipfan on Aug 16, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Livingston is a true heartbreaking story

As short as his career was as a Clip he still remains an all time fan favorite.

"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
"Dude" from the Big Lebowski

by PV Mike on Aug 16, 2011 3:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

04' never seemed like that strong a class

but I guess the big man at the top keeps it from being considered a weak class. Up until the injury, I thought Livingston was a solid pick at #4, so it’s kind of painful to say that we missed on any other guys drafted after Livingston, but I suppose it’s worth a look at:
5. Devin Harris
7. Luol Deng
9. Andre Iguodala
15. Al Jefferson
17. Josh Smith
20. Jameer Nelson
26. Kevin Martin

Not too much missed in the 2nd instead of Chalmers
39. Chris Duhon, 44. Trevor Ariza
Ariza would’ve been nice to have this day, and even Duhon would’ve probably been the starter after Sammy broke down, and Livingston’s injury, rather than going through those years without a PG as we talked about in another post (the Hart, Knight, Dickau, Smush time)

by osamu on Aug 16, 2011 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Till this day I have never seen a re-run of the Livingston injury.

If I see it, it would make me burst into tears.

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by ClipperBEAST on Aug 16, 2011 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I genuinely think Livingston and Maggette both look back on their days with the Clippers with fond memories

"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
"Dude" from the Big Lebowski

by PV Mike on Aug 16, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Elton as well

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown

by bestclipfan on Aug 16, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes a little too flashy...

I liked Livingston, but I remember he wanted to be extra creative (no-lookers, around the back, etc) with some his passes that caused turnovers. And they weren’t no lookers during a fast break, they were passes in heavy traffic down the lane.

However, that year when we went to the playoffs, him and Maggette off the bench were really strong for us.

by Hengtime81 on Aug 16, 2011 5:42 PM PDT reply actions  

The game I bought into Livingston

April 5th, 2006 at Phoenix

The game was on national TV (TNT I believe) so I was able to watch it. The Clips had lost in Phoenix a few weeks before by 30 so I wasn’t real excited about their chances. Plus Cassell was out so Livingston was getting the start. Shaun came out and dominated Nash on both ends of the court from the very beginning. He finished with 12 pts. 13 assists, 7 rebs. and only 1 TO. Nash had 9 pts. (4-11 shooting) only 5 assists and 5 TO. Livingston was able to get anything he wanted on offense and bothered Nash with his length and quickness on defense. IIRC Nash took himself out of the game early in the 4th because of “back trouble” To me it seemed like he figured it was a lost game and checked out early. I’m sure that wasn’t the case, but Livingston made him look pretty bad all game.
I didn’t get to see alot of Livingston play before that but I was sold he was the PG of the future…

by Beasel on Aug 16, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Uh, it looks like Shaun has got "it" back, in this play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wrEVieqfZRA

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by Takebb909 on Aug 16, 2011 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

That picture of him

is enough to give me shivers from that injury

by UC.Clipper on Aug 17, 2011 3:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember ESPN radio at the time

On 710 AM they played “Down on Bended Knee” by Boyz II Men after Livingston’s injury. To add insult to injury you could hear him screaming in agony in the replay, which 710 still played aloud. Pathetic.

by yaggiefresh on Aug 17, 2011 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Biggest thing about the 2004 draft

The Clippers cleared capspace (The bobcats agreed to take Peja Drobnjak in the expension draft) to make a run at Kobe (he didn’t come, but the corpse of Kerry Kittles did),

That deal seemed decent at the time but failed on all fronts

by eelcova on Aug 17, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

I was so damn angry that year.

How could Kittles go from being the starting 2 guard on back to back Finals teams to playing something like 10 games the very next year and literally passing away on the bench.

I need more Blake highlights to get over this, end the Lock-Out already…

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Aug 17, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

what breaks my heart

is that we missed out on Pavel Podkolzin

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by Clipochistic on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Pavel would have problems riding SW Airlines

"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
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by PV Mike on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha

mutant rate

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by Clipochistic on Aug 17, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

This guy was good but he was an accident waiting to happen.

I always thought this guy was so fragile that every time he hit the deck i would
think he would break in half.

by ENCUEROMAN on Aug 17, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

so its ur fault

u jinxed him

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by KidJustin on Aug 17, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not cool, Encueroman.

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by Erik O on Aug 17, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mean spirited much?

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by Xfactor26 on Aug 18, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

2003 anyone?

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by Lawler's Law on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

anyone?

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by peterghost on Aug 18, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I would do something if my computer skills were not so horribly lame.

Christ I am so bad, I have to practically beg Erik O about once per month to cut and paste a picture of the beautiful, muscular Maggette for me to appease my mancrush!

"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
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by PV Mike on Aug 18, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your monthly fix:

He’s looking buffer than usual. Hmm.. wonder why.

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by Erik O on Aug 19, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mission accomplished

Thanks Erik O! Please mark your calendar for 9-19-11 to pay homage again to the beautiful Adonis-like Corey Maggette.

"I do the usual. I bowl, I drive, I have the ocassional acid flashback"
"Dude" from the Big Lebowski

by PV Mike on Aug 19, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn heez smoov!

and he paid for coach kim to get surgery when the company plan fell through.

what’s not to love?

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by Clipochistic on Aug 19, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I got to see any of Shaun during his rookie season.

I had to follow him and the team through box scores. Watching him in his second season was fun though. You could see the potential and how he could truly become a good player in the league had he improved on a few aspects in his game. I’ll never forget the game against the Bobcats where he was injured. I was watching the game with my dad and just was completely disgusted. We won the game, but that didn’t really matter all that much at the time.

When he was rehabbing, I sent him letters and also words of encouragement on his blog. I was disappointed when he and the team parted ways, but I still continued to be a fan of his and root for him wherever he played. Due to him still being only 25 years of age, I still hold onto hope that he will find a way to stick and be a productive player in this league.

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by Lawler 4ever on Aug 19, 2011 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

yep, still have to root for the guy to have all the success in the world

I thought he’d found a nearly perfect fit in Miami, when all they really had was Mario Chalmers as a rookie manning the point. Even if he Shaun wasn’t healthy, I thought he’d at least be a solid backup and work his way into the rotation. I guess he still wasn’t ready at that point to play on the knee, but I was surprised when they let him go. I think he would’ve easily been a solid contributor to the HEAT this season if he lasted there.

by osamu on Aug 19, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Miami?

I liked him at OKC

that was a legit team

Livingston-Westbrook-Durant

Livy was a true passer while Westbrook was allowed to be the scorer he is

i still remember the last game of the season Clips vs OKC…and Livingston had a 1-handed throw down….loved it!

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by KidJustin on Aug 20, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

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