More on the Future of Blake Griffin with the Clippers
There's an NBA lockout in case you hadn't heard, and as such, it seems like I'm reduced to writing about things that other guys write about and then when other guys write about that I have to write about that also. At least I have something to write about, right?
This all started with a Eric Pincus post on HoopsWorld, invoking/implying the possibility of Blake Griffin being a free agent in 2014 just when the Lakers would be looking for a new super-duper-star. I written about these things before, and I wrote about it again. Such speculation about Griffin involves ignoring common sense, precedents and history. But sure, it's fun.
Still, there are those that feel it's not so remote a possibility that Blake Griffin might decline a maximum contract extension in 2012, then eschew maximum offer sheets from other teams in 2013, instead opting for the Qualifying Offer, just so that he can fast track his exit from Clippertown (aka Sterlingville).
Presenting the case inside of ClipsNation is citizen swamigusto, making some very strong (if depressing) arguments in the comments section of the last post.
Speaking for the rest of the NBA blogosphere is Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm. Here's Moore's plan B for Griffin:
B. Sign the QO, hold off for one year, losing all that money (while raking in his endorsement money from Kia, Nike, and Subway - I'm sure he's just scraping by during this year), and then enter free agency where not only does he get the biggest deal he can earn under the new system, but he gets to choose who he plays for. I mean, who would want that? (Say hi to every member of free agency over the past year. The goal is no longer to have the cake, it's to have it, eat it, and get to order what color the frosting is and how long the fork is.) He can go contend. He can team up with a superstar or a good team. He can stay in a huge market. He can go to play for a coach he believes in.
I went ahead and replied to Matt's HP post, the bulk of which I'll copy here in the interest of doing less typing:
Matt ...
Not sure if you read the piece I wrote for SBNation LA back in January (circa the Ziller quote above). I won't repeat all of those arguments other than to say that no player has ever turned down a max extension. Not one.
You are absolutely correct, though, that none of those guys were being offered max extensions from Donald Sterling and I agree that if ever there were a game-changer, that's it. It's worth noting however that Elton Brand didn't have the foresight (if you want to call it that) to take a QO and get out of Sterlingtown ASAP - he signed Miami's offer sheet, which the Clippers matched. (And yes, it is just stupid to be talking nitty gritty details of a dead CBA when there's every possibility that the rules will change, but what the hell else do we have to do?)
I also think there's a factor here that people ignore in this discussion. Griffin has been a Clipper for two seasons. He's not behaving as if he's in hell. In fact, it was Griffin and other Clippers who launched a mini NBA summer league for Las Vegas next month. I think it's human nature to bond with your team and your fans, and I think it's in the nature of truly exceptional athletes to believe that they can change a team's culture. What makes a bigger legacy - Griffin leading the Clippers to prominence, or Griffin playing second fiddle to Durant in OKC? Mega stars don't think like you and me.
(In the interest of full disclosure, I'll just admit up front that I was wrong on this count about LeBron. I never thought he'd go to Miami because of Wade's stature there. I can take some solace in saying that maybe I was right and he should not have, but clearly I was wrong in thinking that he wouldn't do it.)
Last thing - I think it's important to bear in mind that (under current CBA rules, it's all I have) it's not one year of risk for Griffin, as you imply above - it's two full seasons. From extension (he'll be eligible in July of 2012) to unrestricted free agency (at the earliest in July 2014 if he goes the QO route) that's two seasons. For a player who has already lost an entire season to injury, leaving $80M or so on the table for two seasons is a mighty big risk.
I would like for the lockout to end now, please.
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Clippers have a bright future.
If the Clippers can get a player such as Chris Paul, this team can, IMO, exceed the Lakers. As long as Blake is healthy and there is a good supporting cast along with a second star to boot, they’ll be ok.
i must say
you are no the nets type of fan we are used to
You are like Jason from Friday the13th!
Welcome back jade we missed you. I suppose you got the news the hurricane back east blew Deron Williams to Blake’s house in Manhattan Beach. Blake and DJ are locking him in the basement for a year. He is only allowed out 4 hours per day to work out with Clipper players.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
Lol, why do you say that?
The Nets happen to be my favorite team but I hope they don’t change the team name. Clippers have just as much a chance as the Nets to be successful as the Nets. If the Clippers can make some moves for players like Josh Smith and acquire a Chris Paul, they will contend.
Nothing agasint the nets
actually i like them. Was just a reference to this guy, who happens to be a net fan, who comes here and troll often. But nothing agaisnt the nets and their fans.
im an objective troll if you want to label me a troll
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 27, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
trolls are names fans use to insult a fan cause they have differing views
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 27, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
not true
i have different opinions with lot of people in this blog and i do not call them trolls because there usually want to actually debate you just want to tell us how our owner is never going to spend money in players even after we have give you evidence we will when the price is right.
We always welcome people from other sites who have good takes
We just had an unusual Nets fan who got banned by both the Nets and Wolves sites. I think his name is Jade.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
nets do have one leg up one the clips
one big russian leg
At first I thought that too
But now not so much. I mean so far Jay-Z cannot even influence young players to come.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
yeah you need great players or a winning team to get anyone now
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 27, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
+1 to jadedeed
Jade I know why you got banned from the 1st blog but what happened that you got banned from a second one.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
thanks for plus one, but what do you mean?
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 28, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well don't you have blogging issues with:
Canis Hoopus, Nets Daily, Pinestrip Alley and pissing off Camden Chat just to name a few? That is sort of trolling. Anyway, bring a good take and you are welcome. You have grown on me like the guy in the group you like to give a wedgie or wet willie to that keeps coming back for more.
"We want the ball and we're gonna score" Future HOFer Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Williamson's 31st rated NFL QB
its absurd how strict some of the blogs are, i mean do people not have free speech? i know these are private blogs but really can they let people talk
its not like we are making threats against others. i went to orioles chat and was rooting and getting excited for yankees, the guy warned me and would ban me if i kept rooting for yankees there. he did not care and told me not to cheer for yankees there
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
most of the bloggers hate that their team is good so if you are a fan of another team and they think you are mocking their team, they ban you, most of the moderators there are dumb
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I can relate a little. I was on the Kings blog..criticized one of their players..and someone just jumped on me. This guy was cursing me out and saying all kinds of things to me..I let him have it verbally and I got banned. So sensitive. I think it was one of their moderators.
do you know caseycheesecake or whatever his name is, he is a king/nets fan on netsdaily
do you know if it was a moderator that banned you? well its like they are a gang defending their own turf so when you go there, you kind of have to expect it.
certain blogs are more liberal where moderators dont really care or mointor it, so you kind of have to know where to go if you want to go to a team that you dont root for
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
But why go to another blog to cheer on your team, if not to get a rise out of the other team's fans?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
about this
i don’t see it as being such a bad offense, i mean NewCavsFan started here rooting for the cavs in a game agaisnt us and has since been a regular.
New arena is enticing.
But Staples is one of the best in the league, even if it is 10 years old.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 28, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
wouldnt clippers want their own arena?
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
its debatable
most teams share the arena with other teams anyways…only in LA though that there are two LA BASKETBALL teams.
yes the Clips are lowering the pecking order when it comes to scheduling (which may change in the near future, depending) but other than that…
why not? Staples is a great arena, its in a great city with awesome (new) surroundings…Nokia Theatre, LA Live, and possibly a football stadium in the future
all of that at a lower rate to the organization…and “theoretically” means a slightly lower rate in ticket prices for the fans
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
i guess, but i figure most teams would want their own arena instead of sharing it
by jadedeed2327 on Aug 29, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i understand the direction of ur argument
but dont see why it really matters if its their own or sharing
(since like i said….most share with other teams..non-NBA..or other events anyways)
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
Clippers will never get better scheduling
AEG owns part of the LA Kings and has some sort of partnership thing with the Lakers. Clippers merely rent- and even if DTS shells out huge bucks, I doubt Staples and AEG can give the Clips better dates.
But who knows, money talks and contracts can always be reworked.
well he might not get the superstars over
but at least should be willing to spend money. At least that’s how he’s been posturing, but i suppose players might take a “wait and see” attitude towards him still.
Blake will stay
because the team will be good, really good. A fact that other NBA fans and writers fail to either realize or remain in denial.
"The perception here in Los Angeles has always been that the Lakers find a way to win games and the Clippers find a way to lose…I recognize it, but I'm not going to accept it," Griffin said. "I'm not going to say, 'Oh, that's fine."
by TheEricGordonShow on Aug 25, 2011 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
Uh... why do you think they'll be good?
I’m not trying to be a dick but they weren’t good last year. They traded the only guy who could pass, the coach is… meh… the front office is less than that and they’ve only been one season in the last twenty.
Blake Griffin. Eric Gordon. DeAndre Jordan. Ever improving chemistry. A strong desire to win (cuz competitors like Blake and EJ hate to lose).
Not having Baron around will not hold them back. The cavs have Byron Scott and Baron Davis. Do you think that they will be good?
Don’t ignore what the players are doing this summer just because you are hung up on the front office not meeting your standards.
by oneight on Aug 26, 2011 8:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I dropped a word... "they've only been GOOD one season in the last twenty"...
They have a lot of players with potential. Developing chemistry? When? Were the better at the end of last year or the middle? Did the coach get the most out of the team?
Off-season? What are they doing? Are you sure? Whatever they’re doing it isn’t playing NBA-level games with a coaching and training staff. Not their fault of course, but I don’t quite understand why everyone’s so happy about.
What are they doing? Are you sure? whatever they're doing. . .
I guess the reports of the team (largely intact) working out together and the summer league team proposal are exaggerated or just flat out false in your mind.
by oneight on Aug 26, 2011 12:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
gonna have to agree with this
i have high hopes for the clips, but im not banking on anything just because im hearing good things during the offseason. the only thing that matters are results when they’re playing games that matter.
If BD is your key for success you are doomed for failure
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Not entirely true.
Krispy Kreme loves him.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Krispy kreme, Chili cheese burgers, Fried chicken, Meat loaf ........
And now Cleveland steak sandwiches or and lets not forget refried Mexican
beans he really loves those. With this lock out good luck to Cleveland more
time to eat.
Blake is already located in the best city in the world
for entertainment or endorsement opportunities. Where else NY? They already have Carmelo and Amare. Of course the Lakers have a legacy as one of the most successful franchises in NBA History but what are they going to look like when Blake is available? I rememer the Smush Parker or Nick Van Exel years as much as Showtime or Kobe in his prime. If DTS can remain invisible and the Clippers really market themselves Blake can build his own legacy as an athletic rockstar with the Clippers.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
remain invisible?
dts has never been and never will be invisible.
He has been pretty invisible the last couple years
aside from the occasional comment there has been no real sign of cheapness. Hell if anythings his comments saying that he would done other moves shows that Neal isn’t on that tight a leash and doesn’t take his orders directly from DTS.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
DTS just needs a new calendar that has the correct date for Black History Month.
Now that Baron is gone, I doubt that he knows Gomes name yet to yell at him.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
lol
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
man..
Don’t you just hate it when people keep trying to hit on ur gf…
"I'm an All-Star in my mind. You don't have to have somebody tell you that, to be an All-Star. It doesn't work that way." -Sam Cassell
by cliptakular on Aug 25, 2011 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Aug 26, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want to clarify a couple of things...
I love Blake Griffin. I love the Clippers. I hate the Lakers and I will lose my mind if Blake Griffin somehow winds up playing for the Buss family… who I find even more creepy than Donald Sterling (because there are more of them).
But I watched Danny Manning, Elton Brand, Brent Barry, Lamar Odom (and others?) run away and I heard the wonderful Ron Harper compare his tenure in Clipperland to a term in jail. I’m happy the organization built that training facility and bought an anti-gravity machine (even though I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work). But fool me ten times shame on you… fool me eleven shame on me. Then there’s that quote (from Carlos Santana) about those who ignore history being doomed to repeat it. Whatever it is it applies here too.
If the Clips don’t change their act, Blake Griffin won’t hang around. It really is that simple.
i agree he will leave if we don't change
i however don’t think he will go ASAP i think the extention is going to happen.
Define leave
Elton Brand left… after he stayed. He was a Clipper for seven seasons. You know, pretty much everybody leaves… actually everybody leaves if you count retirement. So I disagree with your “fool me ten times” statement.
Blake Griffin may well leave the Clippers on his third contract – assuming similar rules, there’d be little advantage for him to stay at that point. But I just don’t see any reason to believe that he’d be compelled to leave in 2014.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 25, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All those guys left too early...
I don’t think you can logic your way around that. And they all left in different ways because their contracts and the rules were all different. And they’ll be different again.
But why are we arguing about whether Blake Griffin leaves in two years or seven years? Why aren’t we all demanding that the team needs to change on a fundamental level? Do you, Clipper Steve, believe that the Clipper front office has done absolutely everything they can to become an efficient, self-sustaining, first class NBA now and in the immediate future? Would you classify Donald Sterling, Andy Roeser, or Neil Olshey as forward thinking, progressive managers?
That was then, this is NOW
No Baylor and look at the progress, out with the OLD in with the NEW!
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Why are we arguing whether BG leaves in 2 or 7?
Well, the initial impetus of this discussion was that he would leave in 2. I say he will not. That is what I say, I’ve said it many ways. I may be wrong, but I don’t think I am. So the question of whether he might leave in 2 or years is vital to the points I’ve made here, which all pertain to the 2 year question. The 7 year question is an entirely different matter.
What exactly in my position has stated or implied that the Clippers ‘first class’? Sterling is the worst owner in pro sports, bar none. And Blake Griffin will absolutely take his money.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 26, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Don saw for the first time the level of exciting that a player can bring...
Brought to the fans in Clipperland. We were the team with one of the worse records
selling out opposing arenas. For one minute you don’t think that the Don saw that
stat and realized that he has something very special in this kid. How many articles
that were written which indicated that the Clippers were more exciting to watch
than the Lakers. This kind of excitement we haven’t seen since the Manning,
Harper Grant Norman days. The main difference between then and now that
the Donald has finally open his wallet so if he offers max money to Griffin there’s
no way he walks, at least not on this first contract extension. We keep the team
intact and sign one really good SF free agent. Everybody stays healthy and we have
a really good season.
Okay, maybe I moved the goalposts.
I think I’m falling into some sort of lockout deathspin. I’m arguing in circles, repeating myself, forgetting where I started, chasing shadows and just generally bitching about DTS, VDN, and the front office over and over again.
BTW, what if, in two years, Moses Griffin signs with the Clips for the max, but signs for less than max years, like he only signs for three instead of five… isn’t that what Lebron did? That would suck, wouldn’t it? It might light a fire under the FO’s butt… but then they’d be forced into that horrible Cleveland thing where they try and build a team by picking up old and overpaid players who don’t really fit.
I'm late to this conversation
But I think Blake Griffin would be completely crazy to pass up max money for max years. This is a guy who already missed a season to knee injury. Shaun Livingston would advise against passing on the sure thing.
by Michael White on Aug 29, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Really only Elton Brand is a viable example from that list
Manning came before the max contract and restricted free agent tag, Lamar Odom had some serious problems and was seriously immature and basically was only allowed to leave after the clippers let him leave, and then there is Elton who like Steve says stayed for 7 years but he was never offered max money. I think turning down the max money would be a stupid risk and there is no evidence that BG wants to get out.
Which brings us to another question. Why would Blake want to go to a post Kobe Lakers team? They will likely be terrible, and will at that point have less talent then the clippers assuming we keep EJ and DJ. It just wouldn’t make any sense.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Aug 25, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
as a true max player
I can’t see Blake leaving in 2014, but man, I’m not sure I could handle a guy we were able to pay the money for, just leave for a better situation (ala LeBron) even in 7 years. DTS still needs to show me that he’s willing to pony up the money, and go over the cap if necessary (and if it’s still allowed) to build a contender.
while i’ve really hating seeing some clippers leave, to be honest, I can’t think of a guy that really lived up to their contract after leaving the clips. So, it’s almost good that DTS has been pretty good about not paying guys not worth it, but I really hope if it looking like the team is ready to take the next leap forward, he’s willing to open up the wallet.
There are only a couple I could think of
Danny Manning had a great career post clippers and Lamar Odom has done well for himself. However I definitely blame the clippers for letting Odom go, he was all sorts of issues and things just weren’t working for him in LA. Other than those two I can’t think of any recent players that have left and then went on to have good careers.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Uncharted territory
Clippers have never had a guy with this combination of talent, maturity, determination, and leadership. Brand had the determination and maturity, his ceiling and leadership weren’t there (and don’t go off on how he left. The man put in 7 years as a Clip, bore the uniform, worked his ass off and never complained). I wouldn’t argue if someone said Odom was more talented, but that was it. Blake could be that superstar that DTS has always been saying he’d pay superstar money for (which isn’t as clear cut as it sounds, especially if we miss next season.)
Is DTS a douchebag? Yes. Has his douchebaggery cost the Clippers? Yes, and double yes. I can’t help but think, if the Clips caught a break here or there (made a different draft pick, injuries), people’s perception of the Clippers might be a little different.
Let’s say the Clips held it together, were a little healthier (a lot healthier for Livingston), and made it back to the post season in 07. Remember, the Clips signed Tim Thomas to a pretty big (and way overpriced) contract at the beginning of the season. Who’s to say DTS wouldn’t continue to spend?
I think we can agree: D.Sterling will do what it takes to resign B.Griffin
The question has always been whether he will spend the money needed for complementary pieces. Unless you’e like Miami, where your superstar core is ridiculous, you need a solid bench and supporting cast. Even Miami couldn’t pull it off (yet) with the bench they had/have.
I think the easiest route to a solid core to build around E.Gordon/B.Griffin is to just draft. This requires less maneuvering and D.Sterling forking immediate cash over. However ideally Clipper fans want to see a big splash and a nice PG soon. This would speed up the core building and let us see a change of guard in LA faster
yep, I agree as well
Not to overuse the thunder comparison, but they’re still in a position I see the clippers in a few years. Their owner also hasn’t yet shown he’s willing to go over the cap, and has been pretty fiscally responsible since dropping Rashard and ray allen and moving to okc. They were able to land their superstar and lock him up and get deep into the playoffs. But to continue to be championship contenders, they’re going to have to pay westbrook, serg, and harden some big money the next few years. At least he’s shown some willingness to pay w/ the perk extension, but to field some role players around their stars might prove to be difficult if they plan on keeping everyone after coming off their rookie contracts.
by osamu on Aug 26, 2011 10:38 AM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree with this post.
Sterling is first and foremost a businessman. He made his money in real estate and only buys things that justify the price tag. I truly believe he didn’t offer max contracts in the past because those players were not max players. Yes he is cheap in comparison to other nba owners, but when you are paying millions of dollars to a player, I believe psychologically, you want that player to be worth it, regardless of the actual market condtions of the nba. I do not consider myself a businessman, but it seems obvious that BG easily brings in more money than whatever max contract he eventually signs. Sterling unquestionably is a better businessman than any of us and will clearly see that. Bottom line, I believe Sterling just wants to pay “the right price” and doesn’t care what other owners consider is the right price.
by KeithClossrules on Aug 26, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
To add on that
DTS knows that BG alone can’t fill a stadium, there needs to be wins to keep the excitement level. Which is why I believe he won’t blink in bringing back DJ and EJ. And if we do that I believe the chances of BG doing the already high risk move of declining an extension gets greatly diminished. If we bring back DJ and EJ it wouldn’t be like the Cavs where Lebron was all by himself essentially, BG would have level complimentary players.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Aug 26, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffin in terms of real estate is the best apartment building......
he’s ever own because the tenants pay the highest rent. If the Clippers besides
provide excitement and flashy dunks start to win too, then our biggest problem
is going to be trying to get tickets for the games. L. A. is about whats the flavor
of the month or its cool to go to Clipper games now. Oh and lets not forget about the Laker trollers who convert to Clipperism.
I only sorta agree
IMO, Blake is only one of a very select group of players that can singularly fill an arena both at home and on the road with his own rockstar status. I only see Lebron and aging Kobe, Rose and possibly Howard, Durant and CP3 in this category.
Other stars like Carmelo, DWill, Amare etc may have equal ability but less star power to fill seats. With this being said, I will bet my house Blake will never leave the Clippers due to DTS not writing whatever the max amount $$ are or the ability to make more endorsement dollar elsewhere. Now DJ and EJ may be a different story.
"Take that baby out and paint some flames on it!" Peyton Manning
Odom does not qualify, here's why
1) When he was an RFA, so was EB and Corey. All three signed offer sheets elsewhere; would it have been wise to match all three/ Do you tie up most of your salaries on three guys who all play F? One would be a sixth man. IMHO they had to choose 2 of the 3. Brand was a no brainer (and in retrospect the right call); so it was between Lamar and Corey. They chose Corey, the guy without all of the baggage. In retro, Lamar’s career was better than Corey, but not by so much that I regret letting him go. As I said they could only keep 1 of those 2, and at least they didn’t go the cheapskate route and match neither of them. That would have been regretful.
2) Lamar took some immature potshots (sorry, I don’t really mean to make a drug reference here) at the FO on his way out. He made it politically impossible to ask him back. He forced the issue and he got his way. Do you really want to re-sgin that guy?
Not exactly how I remember it
Odom asked the Clips not to match the offer, in addition to your point number two. There may have been some hesitation to resign all three as well.
Pike is right...
Clips wanted to match all three. Odom begged management not to match, calling playing for Pat Riley “my destiny”. It was a slap in the face after he’d spent a huge chunk of the year suspended for weed… and the Clips never did anything but support him right down the line. He acted like an ass, but It would have been interesting to see what Odom would have added to that team but he acted like an ass.
Exactly how I felt at the time. A slap in the face after standing by the clown through two unnecessary suspensions that came along with a weak "I was experimenting" excuse.
by oneight on Aug 28, 2011 4:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"I was experimenting"...
I’d forgotten that. Riley didn’t hesitate to dump Odom for Shaq a year or two later. So much for your destiny you ingrate.
Yes, that's my point
When Odom begged them not to match and he also said the “The Clippers ruined my career” and that “he would be a very unhappy player if they match” at that point. So were they wise to not match the offer? IMO, yes.
I was responding to the post above querying which RFAs do we regret letting go. I don’t regret losing Lamar. I don’t hold that one against the FO.
If LAC matched, LO might have been effective, but likely would have continued to act like an ass (essentially he threatened to do exactly that).
Manning
Manning signed for 1Y/$1M at one point in Phoenix – so he’s kind of a special case regardless. he was clearly worth more than that and choosing to play for less in PHX.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Aug 30, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve, I'm so gitty reading the banter between the two of you (Matt).
It’s very refreshing seeing the knowledge between the two of you, and I’m loving the discussion.
Sorry Pincus but your Clipper Card is pulled, and Revoked.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
If there is one team
where a player of Blake stature could pull of signing the QO and walk off from a publicity standpoint it would be our Clips. But I don’t think he ticks that way. He chose to play at OU whilst he could have played anywhere and he returned for a second year. I think he’ll give it a good try and as long as the Clips do the right things the next few years he’ll sign the extension. If the Clips don’t deliver afterwards he’ll probably leave after the extension.
by BelgianClipper on Aug 27, 2011 11:30 PM PDT reply actions
Probably
Even L.James gave Cleveland 7 years of his career. For him, that would have been longer had he not been positioning himself for that extension before the previous CBA ran out.
However long the next max-contract is, is how long the Clippers will have to convince B.Griffin to stay as a Clipper his entire career. If the Clippers can’t do it by then, then he deserves the right to leave.
Griffin gonna stay
I think Blake Griffin will resign with the clippers, we now have a good head coach in vinny del negro and with eric gordon they have a chance to make the playoffs next year. I think Griffin relaizes wat he has done in expanding clipper nation, people are coming and he’s the main attraction.
wow I think this is the first time I've heard someone call VDN a good coach
I don’t think VDN is as bad as a lot of people make him out to be, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call him good. He doesn’t have a lot of coaching experience, but I’ve heard good things about Marc and Dean. Don’t know about Pack though.
I'm pretty sure "Ben Delbick" is an anagram for "Don Sterling"...
Or maybe it’s Vinny Del Negro translated back from the Italian. Or Latin. Or Sanskrit.

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