Eric Gordon Still Not Getting the Love
It's essentially taken for granted around Clips Nation that Los Angeles Clippers guard Eric Gordon is underrated. During his rookie season, I spent more time writing about how he compared favorably with the more publicized guards in his draft class than any other single subject, I am quite certain of that. Then when he won a Gold Medal playing for Team USA in Turkey last summer as a key reserve (fourth on the team in scoring) and stormed through a truly break out NBA campaign last year, I figured he'd finally be getting the recognition he deserves.
And yes, it is starting to happen, but he still manages to slip through the cracks in the collective consciousness. It didn't help that injuries sidelined him for much of the second half of the season, and hampered his productivity when he returned. But he played through several injuries and still managed to average over 22 points per game, the 13th best scoring average in the league. And he's not a one-dimensional player by any means - he scores efficiently, and he happens to be far and away the Clippers' best perimeter defender. This is not Monta Ellis we're talking about. You might think the fortitude he showed to play hurt would have increased his visibility - he played with a broken bone in his wrist for FSM's sake! - but no, he seems to have faded into the background again. Part of that is of course just his demeanor - he's a polite, soft-spoken kid who's easy to ignore.
SBNation's hoops heads, Tom Ziller, Andrew Sharp and Mike Prada, have just completed an interesting if a tad strange project, ranking the top 100 players of 2015. Obviously there's more than a bit of guess work projecting four years into the future, but given the progress he's shown and the fact that he's still only 22 years old, it's obvious that EJ would be a shining star on this sort of list. So where did he wind up? Top 10? Top 20? Try number 30.
Are you freakin' kidding me?
You know, it's interesting... Sports Illustrated's Zach Harper did a similar list earlier in the summer, ranking players in the here and now. Do you know where Gordon ranked on that list? 29th. (I guess I have to acknowledge that EJ isn't under everyone's radar.) So he's currently 22, he's already a top 30 player at least according to one very knowledgeable observer, and four years from now as he's entering his prime, my friends and colleague's at SBNation have him ranked 30th.
I am so going to post Sharp's ass up the next time we play ball.
There was some back and forth in the comments section of the post where Gordon was chosen between myself and the authors (and citizen NBAFAN8, our biggest Gordon fan here, makes a cameo as well). Strangely, the authors seem to agree that Gordon is ranked too low - if that's the case, then why is he ranked there? If there is a rationale, it seems to be this: yes, Gordon is a low to mid 30s player in the NBA already, and that's about where he'll be in 2015. He'll pass some people, but some people will pass him as well.
I counted seven players on Harper's full list ahead of Gordon who are currently in their 30s. Guys like Steve Nash and Manu Ginobili and Kevin Garnett will be retired by 2015, and even if they're not they certainly won't be better than Eric Gordon. So it's a given that Gordon will be leapfrogging at least a few names. Then there are about ten more who are in their mid to late 20s - guys who we can reasonably assume have plateaued by now, since that's about when NBA players reach their peak.
Gordon? He's 22 - in four years when he's 26, he'll be better than he is now. At least he will be if his career follows a normal trajectory. If he works on his game, he will no doubt be empirically better at some things - he'll add dimensions like a post game, he'll improve his ball-handling and rebounding, etc. Moreover there are intangibles that should help his game - things that come with experience. The game will continue to slow down for him, he'll gain more confidence, the refs will start giving him the veteran treatment, etc. However good he is at the age of 22, the reasonable expectation is that he'll be better at 26.
It's all in good fun of course and the great thing about this type of project is in getting the conversation going. It's a little like sports radio - take a seemingly outlandish position and then try to defend it. I get it. That's fine.
Part of that then is going to be looking into the crystal ball, looking at the players that will be entering the NBA in 2012 and even 2013. So inevitably there are players on the list ahead of Gordon who have yet to play a minute in the NBA - hell, some of them have yet to play a minute in college. I don't know enough really to argue these guys - picking any one player who is currently in college to be a top 30 NBA player in four years is a crap shoot, and probably all the choices on this list are wrong - but that likely means there are just other guys not on the list that should be there. But no, I don't expect Austin Rivers to be better than Eric Gordon in 2015.
Having Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki ranked higher than Gordon on a list for the 2015 season seems more than a a bit dubious though, doesn't it? I mean, those are two great players - who will each be 37 in 2015. Six players in the history of the NBA have posted a PER better than 20 at the age of 37 or older. Kobe and Dirk could certainly be the type of player that continues at the highest level into their late 30s - but odds are they won't.
In the final analysis, there are lots of individual names ahead of Gordon on this 2015 list that I certainly wouldn't trade for Gordon if I were Neil Olshey - Stephen Curry, Rudy Gay, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, Tyreke Evans, Carmelo Anthony, Bryant and Nowitzki - not in 2015, that's for sure.
But here's the good news: Blake Griffin is ranked 4th on the 2015 list (behind Kevin Durant, LeBron James and Dwight Howard, no quarrels there). AND with the Clippers holding Minnesota's 2012 unprotected draft pick, one of those future top 20 players supposedly ahead of Gordon could be his teammate in 2015 (if the Clippers draft well and the Wolves play poorly - though I know which is more likely). If Gordon is indeed underrated on this list as I believe, the Clippers could have three top 20 players in the league at that time. And that's fun to speculate about.
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I don't mind the lack of love...
It will allow EJ to fly under the radar even more. Eventually, the doubters will take notice. I think the Clippers winning will help his case. Like it says, it is a matter of time before he is an All Star.
I think EJ's problems are:
1. He’s a Clipper and it is too much to give two players on a crappy team such high praise.
2. Plays in the shadows on Blake who is an ESPN highlights and media darling. 3. Soft spoken/shy demeanor on camera. 4. Injuries have kept him from really shining to full potential.
If we do have season, I predict a breakout year for Eric and he will lead the team in scoring.
Also call me a homer but I also really laughed when I read the article Steve posted about.
When free agency comes around I think we will see teams out there who understand EJ’s worth.
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
Ej's my fav Clip
but I’m worried if he can’t put together a few full seasons- and that’s a valid concern with the Clips injury history.
Well...
that’s a different discussion, right? Clearly I think he’s pretty good, and Zach Harper thinks he’s pretty good. And just as clearly you don’t agree so much. I also think that Ziller and Prada and Sharp think he’s pretty good now… I’m suggesting they overlooked him, not that they have a significantly different opinion of him in the here and now.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think this has consistently been John R's position on EJ all along.
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
How is Landry Fields not ranked higher than EJ?
The absurdity!
Its really is
I don’t get it either. He is the most valuable player on a team that won more games than the Clippers and went to the playoffs last year.
I don’t get this list at all.
can open, worms everywhere
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh you werent serious?
You were so subtle!
by John R on Sep 23, 2011 10:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
John R, how many times have you seen Moneyball?
I’d set the over/under at 4.5.
Its a good thing you dont work in Vegas
Do some research.
by John R on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Great read!
I was expecting to see Eric Gordon ranked in the 12-15 range when I was reading those rankings. I was shocked to see his name at #30. Like you Steve, I have seen a few different rankings this summer, and all of them have Eric Gordon as a top 30 player right now. I just don’t see how he keeps slipping through the cracks.
Here is funny thing I just saw on ESPN LA. The website has an article for the rematch of the Drew (LA) League vs. Kevin Durant’s Goodman league in October, but did you know Eric Gordon’s Indy (Knox) Pro Am is playing the Goodman League this weekend in Indianapolis. Why has ESPN failed to mention this?
That is interesting
That Indy Pro-Am has had some great talent at it all summer.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe because it is ESPN LA
and more pertinent locally. There is no ESPN Indianapolis site like LA, NY, Boston etc.
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
So let's be serious for a second
All NBA players who will be 31 or younger in 2014-2015 Seems like a fair age to assume the best players will still be enough in their peak to matter. There will probably be a 32 year old or two who deserves to be on the list, but them’s the breaks.
I can count 30 players I would pick ahead of EJ without breaking a sweat. Assuming, say, 5 players enter the league and surpass him by then, its pretty easy to see EJ still not being a top 30 player in 2015 without even getting into the controversy of the value of non-scoring contributors or current elite players hanging on to be very strong until their age 34 year or longer given the current state of fitness and medicine.
(I didn’t even put Carmelo on my list, even though I know most people would…)
OK Mr. Serious
Where would 2011 Eric Gordon be on your list? I assume he’d be lower than he is on the 2015 list.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a big project
But my starting point might be this: if Gordon is the best player on your team, are you a serious contender? I say no, even with normal progression to age 26. Are you even feeling good about your squad if he is the best player on your team?
If not, can he really be a top 30 player since there are 30 teams? The top teams will have their second best player be better than some of the best players for the worst teams. The toppest teams will have their third best player be better than the best player on the worst team.
Right now, and I know this is looking in the future so this is just an example, but the Lakers have 4 players who I would take for last season ahead of EJ and even if I could get in my Delorean and kidnap what EJ is likely to be at 26 and then go back to allow him to compete last season. We can all agree the Clippers have 1, and for me the reality is 2 while avoiding throwing myself into deep conflict over Good Kaman Bad Kaman to make 3.
Assuming the future works the same way as the present, that even without leaving LA I have 6 players I would take over EJ with 28 teams to go, three of whom are actually young enough, its hard to eyeball him as a top 30 player ever.
But...
I’m really asking if you expect improvement from 22 to 26. The Kevin Peltons and Justin Kubatkos of the world seem to think that’s a significant growth time for players looking at data over time, so it seems reasonable to expect that improvement.
So by that logic, regardless of your current opinion of EJ which we can all agree is different (read lower) than mine, he should be better when you get into that DeLorean. I.e., he should move up the list, assuming that NBA players are not going to be better in aggregate four years from now. So if he’s 30 now, he should be better than that in 2015. If he’s 60 now, he should be better than that in 2015. Yes?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the calculus
He should be expected to get more productive on the margins.
But everyone else will get better too, except for those players who will be over the hill, but some of those will not have degraded far enough to fall lower than EJ. I am not counting the old men from the original list.
Next year will be his fourth season and he will be 23. If there is a leap to be made, its quickly getting overdue. 18 and 19 year olds make leaps if they are going to make one. 22-23 year olds improve some. We don’t draft 23 year old rookies for potential, why would a 4 year starter of that age have significant untapped potential?
Are you predicting some crazy Steve Nash upside still to come for Gordon? His handle is shaky as ever. He isn’t going to grow taller. His disinterest in rebounding remains. How much better of a shooter can he become?
Can we just jump in John R's minivan
and go see Moneyball together. The truth of EJ’s true value may be found in this movie.
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
Player improvement vs Player refinement
I think the window for improvement is definitely the early twenties, but I think the window for refinement (such as increased BBIQ) is more in the mid-to-late 20’s and onward. Of course, after 30, the physicality declination offsets the refined game.
As far as EJ’s improvement, I actually thought his handle looked improved before the wrist injury, when he was taking over at the end of a lot of games, and running the pick-n-roll with Blake. He absolutely still sucks at rebounding, and yes, I don’t know if his shooting will really get that much better. I do expect improvement in EJ’s assist-rate, though. We’ve already seen it go up a bit, and as he continues to dominate the ball, naturally he will find more opportunities to set up his teammates. EJ’s got the unique ability to increase his usage without significant dropoffs in efficiency (especially if you discount the post-wrist-injury time, where his percentages were clearly outliers). As Steve said, this isn’t Monta. So if he can continue to keep his efficiency, increase his usage, and find more opportunities to dish the rock to Blake and DJ, he could certainly improve.
That being said, I can’t disagree that top 30 is a tough prospect. As you said, he’s got to be better than the best player on 30 teams, and he’s not even our best player. Every time I try to rank our guys high, I find myself forgetting about amazing players and my guys just keep dropping lower and lower. 30th best in the L is frickin’ HIGH.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
John R is the Michelle Bachmann of this board.
He says crazy things to stir the pot, and I bet he also never blinks.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 23, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You know who blinks too much?
Nancy Grace. She’s the only person that could make me root for a Laker. I wanted Ron Metta to beat her and her big hair.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
She already beat him. He was the first to go on DWS this week.
Do they not have a TV in prison?
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
I saw her oinking around on the TV at the gym.
Lunchlady Arms. Puke.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 23, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So is sneezing.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Sep 23, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So my chronic dry eyes are a sign of strength?
Sweeeeet.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
No Steve. He's clearly a below average SG.
If he’s below avg at a single position, how could he be top 30 in the entire league?!
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Not receiving the love nationally may not really be a bad thing.
It’s already been mentioned but playing with the Clippers and his demeanor don’t make him popular. We all know he’s a good player. Doesn’t get the credit he deserves. I just hope he knows that he’s loved in the Clipper nation. Once we do begin to win he will finally be discovered for what we already know he is.
I read the article and the comments last night.
I wanted to join in the discussion but was not a SBN citizen.
Glad you followed up here. Nice article, as usual.
Joining...
Since you’re already on Clips Nation, joining any other SBNation site is super simple… no waiting period or anything (I don’t think). Basically just a couple of clicks and you’re commenting.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
you have to wait at least a day some places make the wait even longer
In the dodger site it was make really long for a period after last year World Series.
Oh damn!
I assumed I had to wait for a confirmation email.
Thanks for the heads up!
I don't think so...
Let me know if I got that wrong, but I’m pretty sure once you’re in, it’s easy. The confirmation email and waiting period keep out spammers and bots – but once you’re a member on one SBNation site, your path to membership on others is very short.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
EJ is a very humble guy
I’m sure he doesn’t care about getting the recognition. As his star rises alongside blake a lot of journalists will take notice I’m sure. If we can make the playoffs people will have no option but to recognize EJ’s stellar play because it won’t be a one man effort. I hope we get a season so he can show everybody how far his game has progressed.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Sep 23, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
I believe EJ does care.
I have heard EJ say more than once this summer that he wants to be an All Star and one of the best players in the NBA. He even went as far as saying if he becomes an All Star, he thinks he will put together a strong run of All Star appearances.
I really do think EJ wants the recognition like Westbrook, Love, and even Rose, but the national media doesn’t evne give him a third of the coverage that each of those guys get.
Last season, when Eric Gordon was scoring 20+ points a game on a nightly basis, SportsCenter would hardly ever show even one Eric Gordon highlight. Instead, it was the “Blake Show” or a Blake Alert.
perhaps this is the way to keep EJ motivated and perfecting his craft.
we all know EJ is a talented player. I think a lot of players become content when they reach a certain point in their life. Its what sets the Kobes and the Shaun Kemps apart.
Yes
I also am under the impression EJ wants recognition. And like big0lbad said above, it’s good to want more. Baron Davis had all the skills to be a much better PG than Jason Kidd, but because he seemed content with never perfecting/adapting his game, he never made it over that hump.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
These "Gut Feel" ESPN Hyped Lists Are Stupid
and meaningless.
For example Amir Johnson from Westchester High just down the road from Staples is already ranked 48th (He just turned 24) on the APBRMetric 593 list of 2012 and he is not even on Ziller’s list. Of course ESPN guided by their “We love the high usage” PER stat ranked him about 190.
Here are some of the Clippers rankings on the APBRMetric 593 for 2012
Blake 20
EJ 82
DJ 200
C. Smith 215
M. Williams
Kaman 309
Gomes 466
EB 517
Al-Farouq 553
Completely agree about Amir Johnson
ESPN just posted an article saying that he was ranked 190th, even though he was 62nd in PER. It’s interesting that they go against their “end all be all” stat in PER, but their reasoning is that PER (and all other per-minute stats) are over-valuing him as he fouls out too much, keeping him from reaching his full potential.
Still, that’s a HUGE drop for someone who is really good but just needs to work on not fouling out.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
PER is a baloney stat
Even Hollinger doesn’t use it to predict team performance. It has nothing to do with wins.
by John R on Sep 24, 2011 10:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
On a side note, I’m curious… does WP48 take into account whether a player habitually fouls out (like DJ or Amir Johnson)? In other words, does it project a player being extremely valuable if they are given playing time (like it always had for Love before he was “discovered” last year), even if the cause of their minimal playing time is their fouling (DJ, Amir), not a poor coaching decision (Love)?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
heres a thought
perhaps it is in our best interest that EJ continues to go under-rated. The reason being, he is up for a contract extension soon and we don’t need everyone driving up the market value on his under-rated talent! ; )
Great insight
But when his contract comes up the check writers will see 20ppg and numbers will fly. He will join some team, or stay with the Clippers, as a 10MM per savior. That team will not improve and EJ will flip from under the radar to massive disappointment. It is what it is.
by John R on Sep 24, 2011 10:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Overrated scorers
Is there any way you (or WP) would not rate a 20ppg scorer as overrated if he was a poor rebounder? My Clipper optimism hopes EJ can become Reggie Miller. If he gets his 3P% back up to around 39-40% like his rookie year and gets his FT% closer to 88-89% then his TS% should be around 60 or more. I don’t think he’ll ever be more then a 4.5 Assist/game player and there’s no reason to believe his rebounding will ever be even average. His turnover rate is pretty consistent with other guards with the same usage rate so I don’t see that has a huge problem. It seems as if your hate for EJ has gone to far. There’s no chance for him? He’s Ben Gordon, put it in stone?
It would be really great for the Clippers
If EJ continues to play well and he eventually retires as a Clipper
the clippers winning will help raise gordon's notice around the league more than any other clipper
griffin is already the talk of the town, once the clips win we’ll have dozens of “hey eric gordon is pretty good!” articles.
And getting no love continues for Eric Gordon.
I just watched the Goodman League vs. Indy Pro Am team in Indianapolis. I was sitting courtside and at mid-court. The Goodman team beat the Indy team 170-167. Eric Gordon was the game high scorer with 43 points and 9 assists. John Wall led the Goodman team with a triple double. He posted 41 points, 11 assists, and 10 rebounds.
For a game being played in Indiana, EJ’s home town, the refs had zero love for EJ. Countless times EJ got fouled going to the hoop, and yet he shot just 2 free throws. That’s right 43 points on just 2 free throws, lol. Needless to say, the game was awesome and it was really cool sitting just a few feet away from EJ and having my feet on the same court, lol.
Btw, EJ also signed two authentic Clippers jerseys for me :-)
Bye Bye Gordon
If there is no season we have seen the last of Gordon as a Clipper. Gordon will make the U.S. olympic Team and will be the third shooting guard behind Bryant and Wade.He will then end up in Chicago with Rose or New York.
How do you see that happening
he will be an RFA so if the team wants him back then they will bring him back. The only thingthat could happen is a team offering him a a gigantic unreasonable contract , and neither Chicago nor New York have nearly enough cap space to pull that off.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Sep 24, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We could also lose EJ
if Olshey becomes Blazers GM and DTS hires John R as his replacement. He may trade EJ and Steve Perrin for a future 2nd round draft choice.
"I dig Jeff George's Camaro Cut"
Just trolling, move along move along.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
please tell me how does this happen ??
because if i believe you have bring this up before and i don’t recall an explanation as to how are the bulls/knicks are suddenly going to get cap space to get gordon, not to mention break the nba rules, assuming cba is similar to last season, as clipper are likely to match any offer for gordon.
FYI, A video from Indy Pro-Am game in Indy last night
Here is the game NBAFan8 attended that was posted on Pacers blog. EJ mostly featured around 2:30-3 minute mark. Other notables at game Zebo, Wall, Teague, Green, Paul George, Cousins, Hayward among others
http://youtu.be/DSoQfF_xRmE
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
so whats the timestamp where we can see NBAFAN8?
that has to be the most important highlight
I Am Witness to the 1st BLAKE GRIFFIN Triple-Double! And the 2nd Triple-Double!
I "think" he was they guy with the pom-poms
and the “I luv EJ” tee shirt. Although that may have been John R.
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
2 things stand out
Jeff Green looked like KD out there, and the league looks like a and 1 tournament
thanks
haha, @5:19 – loved the EJ missed layup, hands up in the air, looking at the ref. I missed that, this lockout needs to end.
How many times have we seen that look during the season.
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
EJ wanted the goaltending call on John Wall
It was a goaltending. EJ put the ball off the glass, and Wall hit the ball as it was in the cylinder (aka rim).
That wasnt the only time EJ had his hands up or looked at the refs in a weird way. These guys were a joke, lol.
My dad was aking me how they could wear NBA referee shirts, when they were not NBA refs…I could not answer that question, haha.
I saw Teague and Walls going at each other
but what was going on with Zebo and Cousins? Also where in Indy do you live? My family all live in either Carmel or Fishers.
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
It's funny because I've always found their games comparable.
ZBo’s way better though.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
ah makes some sense
missed the touch by wall first time watching. But still EJ’s reaction is classic. Kinda wish he would just suck it up, since he tends to look kinda whiny, but whatever can’t complain with production.
That one ref in that shot definitely doesn’t look to have the figure of an NBA ref, ahha. At least most NBA refs tend to stay in pretty good shape
Definitely a goal tend
EJ tends to pout a bit, but in a street ball style game, it’s hard not to complain about that call. Ball clearly hit glass first.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Sep 27, 2011 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
another video from that game
http://www.ballislife.com/video/indyvsgoodman
pretty much all the same EJ highlights but from a different angle.
Think they mixed up George Hill and Paul George though, haha
On a sidenote
Jeff Teague’s younger brother is a potential “one and done” lottery pick next year. I also was impressed on how Jeff Teague’s game seemed to come together in the playoffs last year. I think he is going to develop into the productive player the Hawks thought he could be when they drafted him..
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."
i wonder if the Hawks could...would they also draft the other Teague
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