OJ Mayo
by SurfinQ00 on Jan 22, 2012 5:55 PM PST
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PrintSo I have always been a fan of OJ Mayo, although he isn't a great SG like some speculated in the past, I think he is a solid 2, especially off the bench. There have been two trade talks in the past regarding the Nets and Pacers. The Pacers had a decent deal around McRoberts and Rush while the Nets had a somewhat low ball offer of Anthony Morrow OR Jordan Farmar + Cash + Pick. The Pacers deal seemed to be done, but the deal soon died off. The Nets deal was nowhere near as close, but it seemed like Grizzlies were willing to listen, even though I believe Morrow AND Farmar would be pretty dumb on Memphis' part.
Yet again, this is pure speculation, but it seems to me that Mayo would be a nice fit for the Clippers. Before, I would not really think too much into it because I believed that Mo Williams would HAVE to be part of the deal, but after seeing that the Grizzlies were entertaining an offer of Morrow or Farmar, I thought maybe the Clippers might have a chance. I would prefer we keep Mo, especially after these past performances, so I believe that a Bledsoe + Foye deal may be the key. I like Bledsoe, but at this point, the Clippers are not about rising, something Bledsoe still must do, they are about winning sooner rather than later. Foye is a decent backup SG, but his bigger benefit is his expiring contract. Why would the Clippers do this? Their 2nd team obviously needs some more scoring aside from Mo, I think the Williams doesn't trust anyone aside from himself on that team, and neither would I. Why would Memphis do this? Honestly, I'm not 100% sure. I think Conley and Allen are very good guards, but the fact that Memphis was willing to consider Morrow or Farmar makes me believe that they would be willing to take back other guards for Mayo. Bledsoe + Foye seems like a much better deal than a Morrow + Farmar (which wasn't even offered). Mayo seems like a solid scorer, maybe we should consider him?
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I do like the idea of getting OJ Mayo...
But I think we can pull him in the offseason. Why not wait till then? The Clips should be able to have enough capspace to sign OJ outright if they trade Gomes and Bledsoe. My guess is Bledsoe should be able to fetch a protected first round pick.
We won't be able to get him in the off-season
Mayo should be a restricted FA and anything we offer Memphis would probably match.
Then trade
But if we he becames a FA we won’t get him. He is still young and has potential, teams will pay for it and we won’t have much cap space so if we offer say 4-6 million a year Memphis is matching.
The way Mo is playing you got to be kidding right!
Don’t be surprise if Mo wins western conference player of the week. This last
week he gave us a point a minute. Now thats scoring punch off the bench.
What we need to compliment him is a decent big scorer in the second unit.
by ENCUEROMAN on Jan 22, 2012 6:41 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I was saying I would want to trade Mo.
I agree, he has been playing great. But don’t forget, his minutes will be cut down soon enough. I think Mo is great, and I would NOT trade him for OJ Mayo, he has proved that he is better.
I have to say it
I might have to admit that I was wrong about Mo Williams. I never had faith in Mo and believed that a team with Mo as starting pg (post Paul era) just wouldn’t have cut it. Now that Mo seemed to be in better shape than last year, he seems to be killing it. I still believe that Baron Davis is still more valuable when healthy (and let’s not go there!) but Mo has shown that he’s doing a fabulous job and deserves some recognition being a spark plug off the bench.
One thing to note if we are trying to look at Mayo is that Mayo is actually not under preforming as others thought. He’s still shooting/ scoring at a 45 fg% and 11.3 in 23 minutes. If we’re looking at PER 36, we’re looking at roughly the same average per game (17.0) which is about the same numbers as previous years. “The way he is playing” when indicating how badly he has been playing recently doesn’t have much backup to it. Furthermore, in these 15 games that Mayo has played, he has the highest PER so far (which could easily be fools gold), and the highest eFG(.535) and TS%(.559) of his career (so far.) Him not having much minutes could mean that he is shooting a little less, but his USG% is still 22.8.
Anyway, when looking at these two players side by side however, their numbers in scoring would look somewhat identical, where they would both be scoring (Per 36) about 17 a game. But as it stands, Mo is easily the better sixth man thus far as he scores a bit better, a bit better defender, is a bit less turnover prone (thus far this season), and passes better. The only real upside to OJ acquire a shooting guard (thus freeing up the playing time for Bledsoe), acquire a bit more help at rebounds at the SG position, and have a little bit more height. Otherwise, Mo has actually been playing alot better than OJ and his PERS show it (20.8).
One thing that I would find intriguing is when Chris Paul comes back, switching Mo Williams to SG and see how that goes. I know we lose height, but for some reason I can’t stand watching Chauncy miss shots anymore (actually I wouldn’t even be watching Clippers much anymore since I am officially moved to the Bay area.) But still, seeing Billups go 1-9 again and having a 34 fg% should be enough.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
in all fairness billups realized his shooting was off last game
and put up like 14 assists. His passing was excellent last game, if he could pass like this with paul on the bench he could set mo up for a ton of good looks.
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by flightofthegriffin on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
In all fairness, he's still shooting at a whooping 34%
That’s like saying Ricky Rubio can’t shoot and score, but he has a higher eFG%. Only reason Billups has a higher TS% is because of his free throws, but I still find it important to be able to hit the shots as well.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
I want J.R. Smith
or someone comparable who can switch between the 2 and 3. Mayo might be a nice pickup next year, but right now he’s not our biggest need.
Smith made $6M last year, and I imagine he’ll be demanding something comparable. I’d be looking now for a team to take Gomes off our hands in exchange for including Bledsoe. Smith and a TPE would be great.
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by SilverClip on Jan 22, 2012 6:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i'll rather keep Bledsoe
Give them a second rounder instead.
Sure, if a 2nd rounder will do it.
But what team out there would want want Gomes for 2 years?
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Fair point
But i wouldn’t give Bledsoe just to get rid of Gomes.
If we want a new piece, then someone has to be our trade asset
Like many, I’ve grown attached to Mo. So Bledsoe and maybe Foye are what we have.
IMO, either Smith or Wilson Chandler ought to be our main target, and neither will come cheap. (I actually like Chandler better than Smith, but I don’t how useful he’d be at the 2). To persuade Donald, we may need to clear away some salary. I’d be willing to offer Bledsoe to get it done. Taken in isolation, that trade might look pretty lopsided, but the end result is what matters.
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Don't we have an exception let's give him that
Smith made 6 million last year but he hasn’t play NBA basketball in about a year and he is going to want to play with a contender and how many contender will have space.
I hope you're right
That would be a great and strange day in Clipper land. I player signing an exception with us to be part of a contender… That would have to be a first. It could happen, too, but it’s hard for me to grasp.
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2 assumptions: Smith is ready to sign, and Donald is still the owner
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Trade Bledsoe and a 2nd rounder for Mayo
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
IDK about Mayo
he is only 6’4… not exactly the big, defensive SF that we want.
I would trade Bledsoe for Landry Fields and Jerome Jordan(needed to make cap work). Fields is 6’7 and will share minutes more easily than Mayo.
Here’s a trade I love but will never happen
Clippers get: Landry Fields, Tyler Hansbrough
Hornets get: Danny Granger, Jerome Jordan
Pacers get: Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, 2.1 million TPE from LAC
Knicks get: Eri Bledsoe, 762K TPE from LAC, 474K TPE from NOH
So we'd be getting Fields and Hansbrough for Bledsoe and TPE?
Can I have some of what you’re smoking? Not sure why you think the Knicks would prefer Bledsoe to Fields. Fields is better AND cheaper. And Shumpert looks like he may be better than Bledsoe too. Small sample sizes, to be sure, but both guys have higher PER and WS/48 than EBled.
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Fields isnt very good. Any GM would take Bledsoe's ceiling over Fields.
Fields doesn’t have the physical prowess to be a major rotation piece.
A Bledsoe-Shumpert backcourt would be great for the Knicks if Bledsoe can become smarter with the ball. Probably the best defensive backcourt in the league.
I don't think you'd want it
I hear what kids smoke these days are one helluva thing.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Fields is a free agent
Like Mayo, we should wait to see if we can pick him up off the market.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
I think the Pacer are playing too well right now to want to make a trade.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
While I'd agree with this, I think the writing is on the wall for Granger.
It’s going to be Paul George’s position soon enough. Especially if EJ is as real a possibility for them as it seems.
I agree with this if they sign or trade for EJ
But for now George is a 6 ft 9 in two guard that even starts in front of George Hill. Just think, this guy could have been drafted instead of AFA.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
Can we somehow turn Bledsoe and Foye
into Eric Gordon… i like that guy as a good perimeter defender and good shooter :)
you can't trade TPEs
it can only be used to absorb contracts and can’t be added with other players.
Why trade for Fields
We could just sign him. The Knicks will more than likely let him walk to free up cap space to go after someone bigger (cough Williams).
It seems like most of Clip Nation trade scenarios include Bledsoe
I am not sure he is the desirable trade commodity we make him out to be.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
I agree, he isn't EXTREMELY valuable.
But he has proven to be a young, talented (yet raw) player. Not to mention he has a very favorable rookie contract. My idea was that Farmar + Morrow isn’t as good as a Bledsoe + Foye. Farmar has proven NOTHING and Morrow isn’t exactly an all star.
I think Bled would
fetch us Landry Fields, definately. Probably a little extra to make a multi-team trade work
Wait a minute
Fields’s numbers are higher than Bledsoe’s across the board, and you just said yourself that the Knicks “like” him. So where are you getting the idea that Bled would “definitely” fetch Fields … especially when the Knicks already have a taller and likely better Bled-like combo guard in Shumpert? This is exactly the sort of overvaluing of Bledsoe that PV Mike was just talking about …
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"like" as in wouldn't let him walk as a RFA
Field’s numbers are higher, but in almost 10 minutes more per game as a starter.
Per 48, Fields this year vs Bledsoe last year, Bledsoe has more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and steals than Fields. Eric shoots a higher 3pt% and ft% while fouling less. Fields shoots a better fg% and turns the ball over less. So I don’t quite understand Landry’s numbers being higher.
Fields would have thrived
if he was sent in the Denver trade. His game has literally gone into the toilet since the Melo trade. He needs a new start elsewhere.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
I really do not know
I liked his promise as an early ROY year candidate last year. Is that who you get or do get a player who is performing now more like Ryan Gomes.
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Great points
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Maybe because you're cherry-picking?
Why are you just looking at Fields’s numbers from this year, which are pretty irrelevant given the tiny sample size? Nearly all of Fields’s per game, per minute, and advanced numbers were better than Bledsoe’s last year, which was the rookie year for both players.
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Let's just wait for Wilson Chandler
it’ll happen, trust me
Donald heckled ME!!!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 AM PST reply actions
How?
He’s an RFA, and we don’t have any cap space. The most we can offer him is the $2.5MM mini-MLE. You really think Denver won’t match at that price? Of all the Denver guys in China, that’s the one that won’t happen, trust me.
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A player that has impressed me this season is Gerald Henderson from the Bobcats.
I doubt the Cats would depart with him. He’s really blossoming now. He’s not a long range shooter. Mid-range and really good at going to the basket. Plays defense and is athletic. I think he has a better shot selection than Mayo and J.R. Smith. Less of a headache.
I think Mayo would be a nice fit here and could take over the starting 2 spot for Chauncy next year…
I wouldn’t trade Mo tho… we need him and he is a better player than Mayo.
Bledsoe + Foye/Gomes expirers are all we got… not much to offer.
Problem with Mayo is he needs a new contract next year…
I think Bledsoe/Foye is something to offer.
The point of my post was to show that Memphis was interested in Guards, in this case, Morrow and Farmar. I htink the Duo of Bledsoe + Foye is much greater than Morrow and Farmar (and that wasn’t even offered)
There goes one of those huge, unfounded leaps of logic
There was a rumor that the Grizz were offered and TURNED DOWN Morrow or Farmar, so that somehow means they’re “interested in guards”?!?!?!?!
A) You don’t know if the rumor is even remotely true.
B) Even if it is true, the fact that they said no doesn’t necessarily mean what you think it does. It might be the opposite. They might have liked those guys just fine but turned down the trade because they WEREN’T interested in guards.
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Not that the Clippers would do it
but does anybody know if the Clippers offered EJ the best RFA contract next summer could they sign him? Or do NBA rules not allow this so quickly after a trade.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
Obviously they won't do it
But no, there isn’t any sort of rule that would prevent it.
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save cap throw near max money at Harden
by KillaClip on Jan 23, 2012 7:16 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Can't do it ... and shouldn't do it
Nearly impossible to get that far under the cap — you’d have to give away not just the garbage but also Mo and Caron — and they’re gonna have to be paying both Blake and CP3 max money soon. You’d be capped out on 4 players, which means a hole at the 3 and a bench even worse than the Lakers’. Also, near-max contracts for near-star players are the worst contracts in basketball.
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i agree - see: Lewis, Rashard
we do not want that!
No, it's the Clip Show!
Al Thornton and Gilbert Arenas are still available
Just throwing it out there. So Is Jamario Moon.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
I actually wouldnt mind Moon
He would be the best defensive wing on the team immediately. The issue is his offense.
+1
Not like he’d be any worse than Gomes on offense as the backup 3, and he’d certainly play better D.
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And so is Q Ross
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This post seems somewhat useless now.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/218497/Mayo_Becoming_Mempho_Wave_Unlikely_To_Be_Dealt
Mayo Becoming ‘Mempho-Wave’, Unlikely To Be Dealt
Why are we still talking about trading Mo? I've never said this before but
all this Mo trade talk is truly becoming absurd and annoying.
by lovinglosangeles on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM PST reply actions
He's the only truly high value trade asset left
Sure there’s Blake Griffin, but he’s not going anywhere, anytime soon. Mo’s length of contract should end this year (depends on if he opts in or out), his salary isn’t outrageous, and he is a productive player.
Foye, Bledsoe (while playing zero games this yr), etc will likely not net someone of great basketball value.
The talk is annoying, I think the Clips should stand pat for the moment.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
To everyone who keeps saying that we shouldn't trade Mo.
I’m sorry if I was unclear, but I DO NOT WANT TO TRADE MO. Let me quote where this is implied:
Before, I would not really think too much into it because I believed that Mo Williams would HAVE to be part of the deal, but after seeing that the Grizzlies were entertaining an offer of Morrow or Farmar, I thought maybe the Clippers might have a chance. I would prefer we keep Mo, especially after these past performances, so I believe that a Bledsoe + Foye deal may be the key.
I wouldn’t think into it because I knew we would forfeit Mo, something I WOULD NOT WANT TO DO. I would prefer to KEEP HIM rather than trade him. The NJ talks allowed me to believe that BLEDSOE + FOYE may be possible. Sorry if I was unclear, but I hope this fixes things.
If they want Foye + 2nd Rounders for Mayo, then let's do it...
I’ll keep Mo’s 14.5 PPG on the CLIPPERS bench!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
Throw in Bledsoe if they want him!
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Jan 24, 2012 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Mannix tweets
they are looking for a first rounder for OJ.
Draft Picks
Apparently, the Grizzlies want a first round pick for him? Just wondering, what is the Clippers draft pick situation for the next 3 or 4 years?
@surfinqq
Hey, I know it’s off topic but I wanted to say bravo to your exchange on espn with “lakeshow81”… So damn entertaining to hear those laker fans try to defend their team.. Thanks for making my day! Let’s hope the clippers make ours!
Lob City
by Charles Ha on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Ha! Thank You.
I see you saw that. I was actually suspended for 24 hours (which turned out to be more like 5 days) for something like this in the past; I cited another website and ESPN obviously didn’t appreciate that. But yeah, that guy was an idiot and I enjoyed destroying him!
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