The Daily Clipper - Monday (1/23/12)
Was anyone worried about yesterday's game? I certainly wasn't, I don't even think i felt this way back in the Sam-I-Am days. Good feeling!
Toronto Raptors lose eighth straight after falling 103-91 to Los Angeles Clippers - thestar.com
Toronto coach Dwane Casey says he’s going to "evaluate everything" after another disheartening Raptor loss.
Clippers are cautious with Chris Paul's injury - latimes.com
Chris Paul has been working out, doing a lot of drills, testing his strained left hamstring to see whether it is ready to cooperate.
Clippers keeping Chris Paul out versus Lakers? | Scoop Du Jour - Yahoo! Sports
'Clippers keeping Chris Paul out versus Lakers?'
Rejuvenated Clippers textbook example of how to build winner - thestar.com
The long-suffering L.A. Clippers, thanks to an infusion of talent obtained through the draft and trades and free agency, have become a bona fide contender in a tough conference
Clippers defeat the Raptors, 103-91 - latimes.com
In front of a sold out crowd of 19,060 at Staples Center, the Clippers beat the Raptors, 103-91. It was a one-sided victory in which the Clippers never trailed and led by as many as 22 points. They improved to...
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Rejuvenated Clippers textbook example of how to build winner – thestar.com
The headline is misleading but given the source; Doug Smith of the Toronto Star it doesn’t surprise me.
To say that the Clippers method of building a winner is is a textbook example is ridiculous.
1. Blake was a #1 pick and a rare #1 at that. How often are players of Blake’s talents and personality available at #1? On top of that a team can’t go out and buy as it were a #1 pick. So yes the Clippers were smart in drafting Blake but they were also damn lucky not only to get that #1 pick but that Blake’s injury wasn’t worse than it turned out to be. Nothing textbook about this at all in the sense that any lottery team can just go out and repeat it just by reading a textbook.
2. The CP3 trade. Clippers were in the right place at the right time and were able to make the right deal for the right player who was available. Nothing textbook about his either.
3. DJ was the 35th pick overall. Right the textbook says go out and draft a 7 foot project with a second round pick and he will become a stud. Nothing textbook here either
4. Mo Williams was a Baron Davis dump acquisition. Right dump your lousy PG with his huge salary and get a solid backup combo guard. Happens all the time. Right out of the textbook on how to build a winner. Sure it is. Nothing textbook here.
5. Sign a starting SF free agent for less money then he was offered by other teams (pre CP3) because he wants to play for your team in your city. Semi-texbook move here. Good players will want to play for with superstars (in this case Blake) but you have to have to be lucky enough and smart enough to acquire that superstar and be in the right city. Nothing totally textbook here either
6. Sign one of the best guards of this century in his later years as a result of being amnestied. Sure those opportunities come along ever year. SMH Nothing textbook here.
Let’s face it. The Clippers got a superstar with the #1 pick in the lottery as opposed to a Kwame Brown or Greg Oden and the rest just fell into place because of smart moves by NO and a good deal of luck
I am really excited about the Clippers but nothing textbook about them building a winner at all. Some good judgment, some good luck and a lot of being in the right place at the right time is what we have.
Agree
Textbook winner = OKC. They turned the worst team in the league into a 50-win team in 1 year, they surrounded their young stars with productive but non-flashy players (Nick Collison, Thabo Sefalosha, Eric Maynor), and they started a defensive SG/SF and kept a unique scorer on the bench in James Harden as a perfect 6th man (similar to Manu was in San Antonio when they had Bowen).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yup, the OKC blueprint is far more repeatable than the Clips blueprint, but even they had a bit of luck when Portland took Oden with that #1 pick.
honestly their blueprint is not that easy to follow
you have to basically suck very hard for a few seasons and get your picks right. And now the third part: keeping the right players around at the right price.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still not convinced by OKC
They are good, but to my feeling in a Cleveland-Lebron way: they will win plenty of regular season games but the play-offs are a different kind of animal. I’m curious how the Westbrook-Durant dynamic will play out.
Plus they will have to start paying all those players on rookie deals within a few seasons.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yea I don't know if I'm ready to accept them as the best in the West
Might be that way only because the West is weaker than before.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Only able to do that because they have
Durant and Westbrook. Otherwise, they’d look like the Clippers last year.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
not necessarily
but it is too early to declare OKC the new blueprint. Chances are that the Clips are more of a realistic blueprint then OKC. Get a few breaks in the draft, and be ready for opportunities that come along.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Should have said
Success per the OKC blueprint = luck
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
definitely seems like
most “successful” teams have gotten their superstar on draft day. Doesn’t have to be the 1st overall, or even your own pick, but creating lasting success, yea that’s probably the best way to do it. Obviously there are some exceptions, and takes getting the right pieces around them (ie. which these days might mean another star or two), but seems like 95% of NBA champions are pretty built around one of their own draft picks
I Would Tend To Agree With That
1. Kobe was drafted by Charlotte and traded to the Lakers 15 days thereafter
2. Paul Pierce who one could argue has been the best of the big three was drafted by Boston
3. Heat drafted Wade and built around him
4. Mavs drafted Dirk #8 and built around him
5. Spurs drafted Duncan and built around him
Pistons were the one recent exception that comes to my mind but that whole 2004 team and how it was constructed was an anomaly. Every started on that team was acquired except for Prince who was the only starter on that team never to make an all-star team.
Not
what Boston, Miami or Dallas have done.
I said get a few breaks in draft
all those teams drafted a superstar and then acquired the other pieces. Kobe needed Shaq and then Pau to win titles. Pierce and Boston didn’t amount to much until they got the other 2. Cleveland failed to put the right pieces around Lebron and he left. Drafting is the easy part. Once a team recognizes it has a superstar on his hands, then the clock starts ticking…
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Just curious Buddahfan
When we play a team I always read their blogs the day of a game. I noticed you post fanshots with the Raptors and have mentioned you are a fan. When the Raptors play the Clips which team to you root to win? The Pacers used to be my #1 team followed by Clips until EJ came to LA. Then it became Clips all the way.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
Exactly
Portland failing to take Durant, meaning that he fell to OKC, is hardly textbook. Having Westbrook available in his draft is a big stroke of luck, and the Harden pick finishes a handsome string of lottery picks and luck. Having Durant to build around helps you know the pieces that you need. But the combination of draft opportunity and player that OKC stumbled into is not a blueprint and something that can be duplicated.
The textbook, I would think, is SA and Tim Duncan. Obvious franchise and #1 pick, run every decision on personnel around his presence, the blueprint being that you have to look for skilled complementary guys and go out of the box a little bit.
The Clippers, who had suffered for a seeming eternity, finally saw Fortune’s wheel turn their way when they got the Griffin pick. Since then the steps have been pretty much textbook, it seems to me. Still a ways to go.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
SA textbook except
that to get Duncan the Admiral had to get hurt for the year
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that trick almost worked for Miami
Isn't the whole point
that even the correct blueprint needs a badonkadonk’s worth of luck?
More careful reading
of Bf post.
It’s hard to work the equation between luck and “textbook.” Right place at the right time falls under luck, I suppose, but a sequence of smart decisions qualifies as textbook, of following a program that is objective and even scientific. Getting the rights to a franchise player seems to be the given in this argument, the rarity of pure luck that nets you Blake Griffin, Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kevin Durant or Derrick Rose rather than Olowokandi and #2 Okafor/Liv instead of Dwight Howard.
So let’s not jump to #2 the CP3 trade. The first move came before the Clippers got the pick, the draft in which they took Gordon and DJ. The Gordon pick was textbook, a savvy and fortunate pick that provided a key asset for the later CP3 trade.
And drafting a 7 foot project with a 2nd round pick is definitely textbook. The Clippers could have picked Paul Milsap in the 2nd round, but chose Paul Davis instead. The Clips have obviously made more than their share of bad picks over time. The textbook only says that at that moment, with teams passing on DJ, you take him. OKC’s pick of Ibaka isn’t so different.
Textbook says get rid of BD and his contract and try to get some value in return. You have to give up something, and a lottery pick with a tiny chance of being top 3 doesn’t seem like much. When it turns into Kyrie Irving, you just have to live with the deal. Which you can, because BD’s salary provides FA money, and Mo Williams seems like a credible starting PG for a team with Griffin, Gordon, Kaman, DJ, Aminu and Bledsoe. He’s not a perfect or elite PG, but he seems like he should be enough to get the Clippers into the playoffs at the very least.
Not even sure that FA SF Caron Butler took less money. I think he got more money from the Clippers, but he could have chosen instead to play for a contender and perennial playoff team like San Antonio. But the point is that the Clips followed the script/textbook, made a proper evaluation that Butler would be a good fit, and did the deal. Butler could have made a different choice, but he liked the rising stardom of the Clips and thought his role and the money made sense.
Amnesty and Billups is timing and luck, no doubt. But the textbook would seem to say that you have to make your own luck. And the Clippers did that because they knew that they needed more than Gordon, Williams, Bledsoe and Foye, and that they had to protect themselves as they pursued the Chris Paul trade. They knew that they had done a good job selling Caron Butler on the team and the future. So the grab of Billups is good management, good effort, a good sense that the team needed to pursue every possible scenario. It was clever and smart and confident, and the textbook doesn’t say that you shouldn’t be clever and smart and confident.
All that is what gets you to the CP3 trade. Hanging on and not dumping Kaman (like they dumped Camby) and drafting the assets (Gordon and Aminu) and not trading the Minn pick, and having those assets available to make the deal for CP3, is how you do it. The textbook says gather and develop your assets and then pick your spot.
And that’s where the Clippers are. Lining up the dominos is tricky, and you can’t make a mistake. But when you get that first big piece of luck it seems like you can see things better and things get easier, and you start running downhill.
by citizen zhiv on Jan 23, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Good points all
I tend to think of luck as a combination of opportunity and preparedness (original, I know). But it is true. For me, switching to Olshey really helped to set the table for what’s happened in the past year and a half. Knowing to jump on Billups, sealing the deal with CP3, getting Caron, all bode well for the future of the franchise. Contrast that with the concerns I had about not being able to retain EB at the time.
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I like this post zhiv
There has to be a combination of both luck and “textbook” to get to the promised land.
The nice thing nowadays being a clipper fan is that we seem to be going more down the “textbook” road since we landed our big slice of luck in getting Griffin (with all the examples you showed above – DJ, moving BD, Caron, CP3)
For many years it seem to be that the plan was just luck – drafting projects, making a couple of moves and hoping it fitted together.
Where was the leadership for Miller, Brand, Odom, Richardson, Maggette, Dooling? That roster was built on a couple of smart moves for Brand and Miller but no thought in balancing the roster or veteran leadership or winning leadership to bring all that talent to fruition, and believe me, Andre Miller, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand, and the rest should have been a playoff team with a couple of extra additions.
It’s so nice, and I’m finally getting used to the fact that our organisation has stuck on a path for the last few years and we have made some good moves and we are now actually, a bloody good team, who, with some development in the next off season could be challenging for a title next year.
Happy Days.
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
Does somebody know
if the LA Stars throwback jerseys are going to be available online soon? I NEED one!!
by paris clips man on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM PST reply actions
we should do a group deal for us euros =)
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
That is actually a good question
We play in them against the Grizz on Thursday and a few more times this year, so I would imagine that they will sell them somewhere following their debut against the Grizz.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Here is the schedule
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7166/6647205699_2a9d99a7cc_o.gif
As you can see both the Clippers and Grizz will be wearing alt. throwbacks. One of the players tweeted about it as well but I couldn’t find the tweet.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
DJ did....
We need Bill Walton back: "Where would the LA Clippers franchise be without Sean Rooks? Bo Outlaw might be the best pick up of the off season.
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Cool thanks
so both teams in their throwback playing on TNT, sounds great to me. Hope I can catch that one.
I'll be there as well!
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Eh...
First of all, hello.
I’ll start off with I’ve never really been a Clippers fan because while I think Blake’s fantastic, Mo’s career the last few years have been endearingly tragic (yay for hyperbole), and Deandre’s an absolute defensive monster it didn’t really offset my apathy for the team as a whole and my utter disdain for Donald Sterling. Of course, this has all changed since my favorite player was traded to the Clippers so while I am by definition a bandwagoner I think I’m the good kind.
Anyways, I was just curious as to what you guys actually think of this current team and their championship aspirations? Also, am I the only one that thinks Brian Cook is kinda terrible?
Welcome to clipsnation
as for your question about Brian Cook I think you will see that we all pretty much universally dislike Brian Cook.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Welcome!
First off, I think that we are a couple players, a good coach, and some experience together shy of being a championship contender. While I do believe the team is quite solid as is, our bench needs some extra kick in it. Yes, Mo Williams is an AMAZING 6th man and Reggie Evans is a crazy rebounder, we are still a few players short of really shooting at the championships. I think our defense needs improvement, but that will be established after practice. As for our coach; I don’t think he is the worst coach, but he surely isn’t a coach that will lead the Clippers, or any team for that matter, to a ring.
As for Brian Cook, he is terrible and we would rather have a bag of cookies than him.
Welcome
Unfortunately yes you are, most of us here are in the Brian Cook appreciation society……………. ;)
Bingo! Oh me oh my!
wait cp3 is out against the Lakers?!
…seriously taking forever.
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by Newton Pham on Jan 23, 2012 7:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Read the link
It doesn’t say anything new… it just talks about stuff from before the Toronto game. No reason to believe he won’t come back against the Lakers. If he doesn’t come back though, we might not win by very much.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by Erik O on Jan 23, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Basically says the same we already knew before hand
he is questionable, he would like to play against the Lakers but the clippers won’t push him.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Agreed
Lakers are gonna be desperate for a win in this game. They’ve lost 3 in a row, they are in 10th place in the West and they’ve been talking a lot of trash about the Clips (looking at you Matt Barnes). Wouldn’t be surprised by a Laker win. If CP3 needs a few more games off, no problem. Mo can hold it down for us in the meantime.
games against the Lakers are huge for us
Paul should play I don’t care even if in limited mins like 20 off the bench.
by KillaClip on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
CP3 healthy the rest of the season is huger
as much as I’d like to beat the Lakers. Hamstrings are delicate once tweaked.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Let CP3 fully recover. I think we can beat the lakers without CP3. Other guys have to step up. Sure this is considered a laker home game, thus the refs will try to give the lakers more leverage. But I feel confident that we can still beat them. We did great on the boards last game. Mo has been on fire off the bench. Butler gives us points. Billups can hit big shots and distribute. Blake is Blake. DJ had a great last game. We just have to come out with lots of energy. It’s more important for CP3 to be ready later in the season.
If we beat the Lakers without CP3
What could the Laker fans possibly say this time? “Kobe was grumpy because of his divorce, wasn’t playing to full strength, the win means nothing.”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

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