Could L.A. trade Griffin for Howard?
Los Angeles Clippers trade Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan to the Orlando Magic for Dwight Howard and Ryan AndersonYes, I went there. I hate to break up the Clippers, a team I have predicted will win the Western Conference. But Howard is the greatest big man in the league by a mile, and the chance to pair him with Chris Paul, arguably the league's best pure point guard, is just too good to pass up.
Giving up both Griffin and Jordan for Howard alone is too much, but throwing Anderson into the deal makes it something I believe is fair for both sides.
There is one caveat to this trade: Jordan has to give his consent. Because the Clippers matched the offer sheet the Golden State Warriors gave Jordan, the 7-foot center has the right to reject any trade for one year from his signing date, which was in mid-December. Though I imagine Jordan would consent, since he then would be aware the Clippers are looking to move him, there is the risk he would decline. If that happened, the Clippers' chemistry could be destroyed, as both Jordan and Griffin could be upset, and this season could go down the drain.
Nonetheless, this deal would work for both clubs. First, for the Clippers: While it would be hard to part with Griffin, not only for his 22 points and 11 rebounds but also for the exciting brand of play that has made him must-see TV, there is little doubt the Clippers would improve by getting Howard. For all his excellence, Griffin still does not have a go-to move; he may be even more raw than Howard, who has developed a nice running hook shot. Howard is a better rebounder and the best defender in the league, so while losing Griffin and Jordan would hurt, the Clippers would improve in two of their weakest areas (defense and rebounding).
Actually, make that three areas -- their foul-shooting would improve, too. While Howard is a poor free-throw shooter, Anderson is one of the best in the league at 91 percent. Adding Anderson, whose seven rebounds per game matches Jordan's output, would give the Clippers a 3-point shooter to stretch the floor for Howard's paint touches and Paul's drives.
While I'm one of the few who have picked the Clippers to reach the Finals this season, I'm sure many, if not most, observers would have them Finals-bound if they make this move. And just as important, Los Angeles finally would be theirs (at least for the next five seasons). No question about it.
And if you're Orlando, it doesn't get any better than this. Chances are you're losing Dwight anyway, and this is about as close to equal value as it gets. This is better than getting Andrew Bynum, even better than getting Bynum and Pau Gasol, due to the latter's age. It's better than Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler, better than Brook Lopez and a host of draft picks. The Magic would remain a playoff team and still be among the league's most exciting draws. Magic fans would forget about Howard faster than a speeding bullet.
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Griffin may be more raw than Howard?
While that would be easy to explain given the disperity in time in the NBA, I disagree. Griffin has an array of moves around the basket and is quickly developing his jump shot. He can also take his man off the dribble and is an above average passer. Does all that not trump DHs running hook? I’m not impressed with the single go-to move that Howard has developed in six or seven years in the league.
Broussard also undervalues DJs defense which may still have holes but is coming along.
by oneight on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
With you on all points but I still think I'd do the trade
conlicted just like the others.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
"7 Rebounds a game matches Jordan's output"
We have to assume DJ will return to his career average, right?
But this is totally worth thinking about. If we S&T, Dwight is guaranteed for 5 more years, so Paul would of course re-sign. Puts us in a much more sure position for the future than we are currently in.
Still, Blake’s offensive ceiling seems so much higher than Dwight’s.
I’m conflicted.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I kind of hate that this trade makes sense.
It’ll never happen, and I don’t think I want it to, but it does work.
by Jonee on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
while we're at it, why not throw in Mo Williams and get JJ Reddick in return?
the trade/s make sense, but i agree and doubt it will ever happen which i think i’m fine with but not even sure of that, but wait, no, i am, maybe.
Speculation
And I would never ever do this trade
I could barely stand trade talk about Gordon.
These guys get so attached to me. I would hate to see Blake and DJ go. The trade makes sense but if that went down I’d be wearing my griffin gear in protest for a while.
by EJay on Jan 24, 2012 12:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
"The Next 5 years"
The Clips will have Blake for the Next 5 years also as he is RFA. It depends on how much the Clips value Anderson. I haven’t seem him play, I’m don’t know how his D is.
Orlando will probably try and make a run this year. If the team gets to the Finals again, Dwight may have a change of heart.
I still think Howard’s going to Dallas in the offseason. They’ve been clearing cap space and there is no state income tax in Texas.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
Not to nitpick
But the toss away about free throw shooting is specious. Anderson is a great free throw shooter certainly, but he gets to the line fewer than 3 times per game because his game is standing on the perimeter shooting threes. While Dwight is at 47% this season and Anderson is at 91%, it doesn’t mean together they’ll shoot in 70%. Their combined rate this season is 54%, since Dwight takes the vast majority of the free throws.
Meanwhile, though Blake is obviously in a terrible slump shooting freebies right now, I feel certain that he’ll be a much better free throw shooter than Dwight down the road. Dwight’s been in the league 8 years and has been sub .600 the whole time (other than his rookie year, weird). Blake will eventually be a 75% foul shooter.
As for the trade itself, I sort of look at the inclusion of DJ and Anderson as a sideshow. It boils down to Blake for Howard. The Magic would do it, because there’s no way they’ll get any other single player close to that level in any deal. Bynum is their other choice. Would the Clippers do it? From there, if you prefer to also do DJ and Anderson, whatever. But the question at the heart of this is Blake for Howard.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
I hate that I'm even conflicted about this.
Can the Knicks or Nets please make this easy us and acquire Dwight already?
Also, people are saying what happens if Orlando makes the Finals. Can’t we ask that same question? What if WE make the Finals?
(SilverClip, I think there are like four other trades in this article, any way to briefly share them just for curiosity’s sake? If not, that’s cool.)
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 24, 2012 1:55 PM PST reply actions
Can the Knicks or Nets please make this easy us and acquire Dwight already?
Hah that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. I want the Dwight thing to be overwith to just make the decision for me. Otherwise I’m conflicted. Hate to miss out on a guy like Dwight, hate to miss out on a guy like Blake.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Also, if we're willing to trade Blake, can someone please explain why trading LeBron for Dwight is not an option?
He fits with Bosh and Wade better than LeBron does anyway.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 24, 2012 1:57 PM PST reply actions
That trade is crap from a fan perspective.
I’m sure its good business and its good for the franchise, but from a fan perspective, blowing up a home grown fun team that is looking at nothing but upside is a mistake in my opinion.
Watching teams come up from nothing like OKC, Memphis, Phily and, of course, the Clippers, is what makes the NBA fun to watch. They have nothing but potential.
Watching a young team try and live up to its potential is a helluva lot more fun than watching a bunch of all-star superteams (Boston, LAL, Miami, NY) win because they are supposed to.
When the young teams lose, sure its a bit sad, but hey, there’s always next year!!! When the super teams lose, fan’s are quick to yell, ‘blow up the team’ ala LAL and the C’s.
I’m just saying, I’ll continue to watch the C’s if they get Howard and a slew of B-list players so that they can win a championship. But they won’t be my team anymore. I’d much rather cheer on raw wizards and cavs than the new superteam in the west.
Fan's perspective
Feel ya on this. I liked that we were following the OKC mold because you watch these kids grow up. How perfect was it for OKC to go from a terrible team to a playoff team to a top team in only a few years? It’s everything a fan can dream for, and it’s everything that Clipper fans have always hung around for. Then the unthinkable happens and we end up with an almost completely revamped super-team that barely resembles the one we watched grow up. Losing Blake and DJ would complete the evaporation of the old team, and while the new team could probably win a championship, it would feel more purchased than earned.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I can't speak on this.
One way or another I want to root for a title contender – but at what cost? I don’t even like Dwight personally. He’s a great player, but he’s a douche bag/diva. However, to go as far as saying I’ll root for the Cavs or Wiz? Man, oh man. Just…no.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 24, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Fan's super-dilemna
If we did this trade, I don’t know if I would ever know what to think. Howard and CP3 on the same team… holy cow. But how could you do it? It would almost feel spiteful, like we were just out to shove it the Lakers faces. And how could I ever watch NBA highlights again, knowing that Blake would likely be on there?
I kind of hope this just goes away.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
You'd prob forget it about that dilemma in June
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Is this an endorsement?
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I think that the team would be phenomenal with D-12
Doesn’t everyone?
And woudn’t that move ensure that CP3 would stick around?
However, like many others, I’m conflicted because BG has been the touchstone for the transformation of the team and has so much promise. I am perfectly happy watching the team grow around BG and CP3.
I’m comfortable with the FO’s decision on this, whichever way they go.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
ok maybe i got a bit carried away with the Cavs and Wiz...
but my point was that, its a lot more fun to cheer for the underdogs that are slowly getting better (like the Cavs) than the teams that try and buy a championship (Heat)
Haha I feel ya on that
It’s because you have nothing to lose when you’re a bottom feeder. Losses are bad, but not as bad as they are when you’re supposed to win. And wins are CRAZY AWESOME when you’re an underdog, but they are more or less expected when you’re an elite team.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
As things stand now,
no doubt in my mind this trade will not happen.
by dulciusXasperis on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM PST reply actions
It would show no credability to this franchise!
Send away the guy who brought back respectability to this franchise for what
superman II who hasn’t won anything or has shown me that i want to win. If
you want to create chemistry you have to give this group a chance to mature
because we have that guy who will deliver us a championship in CP3. But
all this non sense about trading Griffin for Howard would be going side ways.
Blake for now is our franchise player and you guys that are even considering
this trade aren’t looking at the at the picture in the long run. Griffin has more
upside than Howard in terms of career numbers.
I want to see blake and dj win with us
by donovanpurple on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
MUST KEEP BILLUPS!
He is the VETEREN in the finals and former MVP,and have to keep either Blake or De Andre.Give them Williams,screw anderson.














