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Clippers 98 - Memphis 91 - A Gritty Home Win

The Los Angeles Clippers roared out of the gate tonight, using first quarter runs of 9-0 and 11-0 to build a 16 point lead at 29-13 over the Memphis Grizzlies. But when Rudy Gay banked in a half court shot at the end of the quarter (the Clippers really need to work on their half court shot defense, this is happening too much) it seemed to shift the momentum to Memphis, as they went on a 15-0 across the quarter break to cut the lead all the way down to a single point just three minutes into the second quarter. And the game was close the rest of the way.

Give the Clippers credit. They took a body blow from Memphis when they lost that lead, but they never panicked. Memphis was able to grab the lead a few times, but the Clippers always responded, and eventually LA took control down the stretch for a 98-91 win.

Star-divide

Memphis did what they do to get back into the game. They played pressure defense and forced turnover after turnover. The Clippers, who've been one of the most reliable teams with the ball this season, committed 13 first half turnovers which is way too many. A helter skelter first quarter masked the issue a bit. Memphis matched the Clippers turnover for turnover (each team had seven). But the Clippers were making 63% of their shots to 33% for the Grizzlies, so no it was easy to ignore the turnover problem. When Memphis started making some shots while continuing to force multiple turnovers, the game got close. As I pointed out in the preview, that's what they do; that's how they win. The Clippers took a one point lead into the locker room at halftime.

The big issue, the thing they needed to straighten out, was to take care of the ball. Guess what? The Clippers turned the ball over just three times in the second half (and one of those was a bad call, as Blake Griffin was called for rebounding an airball, when the ball clearly hit the backboard). Limit the turnovers against Memphis, win the game - it's as simple as that.

Blake Griffin had a big night with 20 points, 9 rebounds and 8 assists, but it was Mo Williams off the bench who carried the Clippers late. Mo scored half of his 18 points in the fourth quarter, and also gave Memphis a taste of their own medicine with four steals. He was the closer tonight, and frankly it's a good role for him.

Chris Paul finished with 18 points, 7 assists and 7 rebounds, and was big in the fourth as well. In the preview I focused some on Tony Allen, whom I consider to be the best perimeter defender in the NBA. The Grizzlies had an issue down the stretch -- do you put Allen on Paul, or do you put him on Mo? He started out on Mo, but when Mike Conley picked up his fifth foul, he switched to Paul. Unfortunately for Allen, even he was really no match for Paul, who struggled from the field again (just 3 for 11), but time and again kept his dribble alive in tight spots, made plays and drew fouls (he was 10 for 11 from the line in the game). In the final five minutes, when the Grizzlies dialed up the defense and points were at a premium, Paul made three free throws, found DeAndre Jordan on a lob and hit a floater in the lane. He's clearly still rusty from the layoff, but he's still awfully good.

This was a good solid win against a dangerous team. The Clippers never trailed by more than two points the entire night, and invariably regained the lead immediately when they did fall behind. By my count Memphis only had the lead and the ball twice after the first minute of play. That's how you beat teams. You keep them down. You respond to their advances.

The Clippers need to work on a few things, that much is clear.

  • They need to stop giving away leads. Clearly this is a difficult thing to do in the NBA, as opponents are almost always going to make a run at you. But the Clippers have jumped out to big first quarter leads in seven of their last eight games. In six of those games, they allowed the opponent to climb back into the game, and they actually lost two of them, and almost lost a third. Obviously, some of this comes from having a very sub-par second unit, but it needs to get better. If that means acquiring more depth, then it needs to happen, but a 16 point lead in the first quarter needs to result in more easy wins, rather than these nail biters.
  • They need to start winning on the road. Now, let's caveat that with the disclaimer that the Clippers have lost to some of the strongest home teams in the NBA this season. The Spurs (10-1 at home), Blazers (8-1), Jazz (8-3), and Lakers (10-2) are all among the top 10 home records in the league, and it doesn't get any easier in the short term with the next to road games in Denver (6-2 at home) and back in Utah again. It's more than likely that the road record will start looking better when they start playing in Washington and Cleveland and Charlotte, but they need to find the energy to play well on the road as well. The 9-2 home record is terrific, but they've got a lot of road games looming.
  • They need to be more consistent on defense. The defense was very good in stretches tonight, and has been better lately than at the start of the season. But there's plenty of room for improvement. For the most part, it seems like a question of effort -- when the Clippers work hard on the defensive end, they do fine. But they seem to lose focus and lose interest far too frequently.

A few more random thoughts:

We suspected that Griffin might have a big game against Marreese Speights, but we were wrong. Speights picked up three fouls in 8 first half minutes and didn't get off the bench in the second half. Memphis coach Lionel Hollins decided to go small and defend Griffin with Rudy Gay, a strategy we haven't seen before. When I watch Griffin face the length of Pau Gasol one night, and the the quickness of Rudy Gay the next, I just think about how much better he's going to be in a couple of seasons. He's great now, don't get me wrong. But 98 games into his professional career, it takes him awhile to recalibrate for a new defender, to realize where his advantage lies and how to attack. It won't be much longer before that's just second nature to him.

Hollins kind of played into Vinny Del Negro's hand by going small. The Clippers' bench depth is almost exclusively on the perimeter, and with Allen playing small forward, VDN was able to give most of his bench minutes to Williams (30 minutes) and Randy Foye (17), who represented all of LA's bench scoring. Reggie Evans was relegated to just 8 minutes tonight, as both Caron Butler and Ryan Gomes played some power forward.

Announcers really make me laugh sometimes. At one point while talking about Josh Selby, Dick Stockton said that Selby had only recently moved up in the point guard rotation. "Jeremy Pargo got the call early in the year mostly because of his experience." That makes a lot of sense, except that Pargo, like Selby, is an NBA rookie. Pargo is older, but I hardly think that's what he meant. Stockton was no doubt thinking about Jeremy's older brother, Jannero Pargo currently of the Hawks, who does have quite a bit of NBA experience. But the only NBA experience Jeremy had before this season started was in the summer league.

You ever play pickup basketball with that guy who's all elbows and knees? He'd a little gawky, and he's a good player, but for some reason he's always catching someone with an elbow, or getting a finger in someone's eye. He doesn't mean to, but that's just how he is. Marc Gasol is that guy. On two key plays in the fourth quarter, first he caught Blake with a forearm to the chin, then he slapped DeAndre in the face. In neither case was a foul called, and I'd be more upset about it had the Clippers not scored on both of those possessions.

I've got a new pet peeve in the NBA -- when teams want to run off a made basket, players often don't actually get out of bounds before passing the ball in, and that's just not legal. After a Blake Griffin dunk, Gasol took the ball out of the net and inbounded as he was moving towards the baseline. But he didn't get there, and didn't really even get very close. I've seen this a lot this season. Most of the time a player is jumping over the base line and passes the ball before they land, which is illegal, but less egregious and easier to miss. On this play, Gasol was clearly still standing in bounds when he made the pass, only getting out of bounds long after the ball had left his hands. It was a big play too, as the refs called a flagrant foul on Caron Butler and the Grizz got two free throws and the ball.

I was digging the LA Stars unis. The Memphis Tams? Not so much. Unfortunately the AP database doesn't have any photos for me yet, so I can't feature them here.

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FIRST!

TAKE THAT CLIPPERBEAST!

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 AM PST reply actions  

Impressive..

But I guarantee you that the next game thread I will be 1st! And in the second half thread too!!

we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.

WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin

by ClipperBEAST on Jan 27, 2012 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Do I smell a RIVALRY?

Nope, because we haven’t gone head to head in the playoff threads yet ;P

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Playoff Threads

are mine. Just like all others.

by LJ Hann on Jan 28, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Loved the Stars

unis. They didn’t disappoint. From far away the awkward lettering doesn’t stand out as much, and the rest of the jersey is just solid. The stars kind remind me of the old school nets jerseys which i loved, and the baby blue reminds me of the san diego days. All around an awesome jersey even though I wasn’t in favor of having a throwback jersey for a team the clips aren’t even associated with.

As far as rotations, I liked them much more today. Seemed like Blake was in there with most of the bench for a lot of the 2nd, although it resulted in him playing 40 minutes. Maybe one game keep blake in there, and the next keep caron in there, or something. It’s nice to have more than one option with the second unit. I was also surprised that Soloman Jones was getting minutes with a lot of the starting unit. I thought Reggie would take a hand at playing center over Soloman, but maybe Vinny thought he needed his length over Reggie’s tenacious rebounding. I hope Billups doesn’t mind sitting while Mo was in the game to close out the 4th. Vinny definitely has a tough choice with the 3 guard rotation to close the games now the way Mo has been playing.

by osamu on Jan 27, 2012 1:46 AM PST reply actions  

High Pick & Roll and Blake Post-up Iso

I have figured out Vinny’s entire playbook.

Wake 'n Blake

by Bui Himself on Jan 27, 2012 1:48 AM PST reply actions  

Ding Ding Ding.

I like those plays; even though the other teams know it’s coming, they don’t have much to do. High pick and roll with CP3, you couldn’t take the ball from him if your whole team started reaching in. Blake Iso? He’s dangerous because if the PG starts to help, you leave CP3 open which is a big, big no no. But still, we need some REAL execution.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

WOW!!!

finally even the “blind coach VDN” realized that Mo’s GOTTA be the closer over Chauncey.
Maybe in around 15 more matches he could add 1/2 new more offensive plays to the 3 of his right now book….
better rotation patterns? nowayyyy….. lol

by ska67 on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 AM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't say he's GOTTA be the closer over Chauncey.

Mr. Big Shot has been in a shooting slump, while Mo has been on fire. This is why he should be closing, but if Billups gets back into the groove, then I would put him in with around 4 minutes if Mo isn’t on fire.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

this

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Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.

by boltsfan21 on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Long way to go yet

We have a average second unit, still a long way off glory I think

by kirbs on Jan 27, 2012 4:48 AM PST reply actions  

I think it is below average.

Mo Williams is essentially ALL of our fire power while Reggie Evans is the majority of our rebounding and defense (Solomon Jones’ length sometimes helps). I think if we mixed those in with some starters, cough cough Caron, then I think our second unit would be stellar. OR if we are somehow able to find a Bledsoe to scoring Big Man trade, that would be great. I’m not pointing to anyone in particular, but a Kaman-Like player would put us over the top

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:29 AM PST up reply actions  

VN has to be gone by the end of the season...

…regardless of how well the season goes. The Clippers keep winning in spite of his abysmal “coaching.”

Stuck in limbo.

by PaperClip on Jan 27, 2012 5:45 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

I think you put abysmal in place of non existent.

For all those arguing and saying we should give him a chance, I am happy with him coaching another month. If he actually makes up offensive plays, helps them with rotation defense, gets a solid player rotation, OR starts calling timeouts at good times, then I would say keep him and see what he can do at the end of the season. Otherwise, I want to see Mr. Sloan coming in come March.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Chris Kaman?

So I don’t know if he was being a bit of a lunatic or if he was true. Have his opinions towards us really gone south? I never had an issue with him, just with his contract. Next season, if we can go after a REAL SG and a backup SCORING BIG (while retaining Mo Williams of course) we will be a set team. I think a couple of names that intrigue me are: Tony Allen, JJ Redick, and Splitter.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 6:39 AM PST reply actions  

Was it just me

or did anybody else have problems getting into the game last night? This very seldom happens to me when watching the Clippers but I think I was still bummed and not yet over from the night before losing to the Lakers.

"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"

by PV Mike on Jan 27, 2012 7:07 AM PST reply actions  

Same here.

Although I think I was more indifferent merely because I kind of knew we were going to win. I wasn’t really into it because in my eyes, we weathered their early storm, and kept up with them even when they had Marc GAsol in and we had our 2nd unit.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 27, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I had plenty of fun

energy was good at Staples. Easy to heckle the awful Memphis uniforms.

Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.

by ganima on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

not just you

i was at the game and almost fell asleep

by old666 on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I need to see your wardrobe.

If you think that uni worked, you must have some killer ties.
I kept thinking Memphis is going to lose because they feel so embarrassed in the two-tone ugliest colors known to man.
And they had to wear them in front of Rihanna and everything.
BTW, I think Vinny repeated the charcoal suit on back-to-back nights. NO, Vinny, that’s wrong.
Interesting contrast to Lionel Hollins wide lapel, pocket-square thing, and he’s got pins on the lapels, like he’s in the military. And he has the biggest watch I’ve ever seen. That watch is as big as my head.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m the best dressed man at ClipsNation

/new signature

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

You got one of those watches???!!!

Matching pocket squares??!!
I have a picture in my mind. Shiny green with gold piping… as you work your spreadsheets on a GIGANTIC screen. Corner office, multiple assistants.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

haha, this is factual

We need Bill Walton back: "THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
___________

by banandy on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Vinny need to go to Joseph A Banks

and get some of there" buy 1 get 6 free" sales. Also, has anybody ever seem Vinny and Scott Baio in the same room? Me neither.

"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"

by PV Mike on Jan 27, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Last night Vinny shot his cuffs at least forty times...

I’m not kidding. Everytime someone hands him one of those clipboards and he pretends to write on it, he shoots his cuffs and tosses his hair.
Vinny’s cooler than Chachi.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I see a new segment...

Coach Wardrobe Corner with Swami Raffo.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all about the threads baby...

I coached U-6 girls soccer one year. I was terrible and my team (The Blueberry Girls) never won a game, but I hand-picked the unis. Robin’s egg blue with white and black accents. The kids loved them and we always looked good. I’ve got a picture over my desk. I still regret not wearing a suit to those games.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

memphis unis

looked like the jv team who got new jerseys this year but were still wearing last years shorts

by old666 on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

They looked like Team Australia out there

It took a while for my eyes to settle form the contrast of yellow/green and powder blue.

by yaggiefresh on Jan 27, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

What's up with "caveat" as a verb...?

I was gonna blow the whistle on that but Webster’s says it’s jake.
But that sentence!! “Now, let’s caveat that with the disclaimer that the Clippers have lost to some of the strongest home teams…”
Wow, I mean, wow. I don’t know if I love it or I hate it, I just know I could never have written it.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

hmmm...

Now that you mention it, caveat and disclaimer in the same sentence is more than a bit tortured.

As for caveat as a verb, for colloquial writing I have no qualms about verbing nouns (see what I did there?) I honestly didn’t know that it would pass muster with Websters and I’m surprised it did. But I have no regrets about using it.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of which...

Is anybody checking me on the it’s/its thing lately? I’ve been making an effort. Would be nice if you people would notice once in a while.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you've gotten better

I struggle with that, too. Worse, I think I am regressing some writing areas. I find myself totally unsure as to when to hyphenate some-thing (see what I did there)?

Seriously, I’ve written paragraphs, gone back and noticed that I had hyphenated 12 words or phrases that probably didn’t need it. I don’t recall ever having this problem.

Like anything, writing takes practice.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 27, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I try not to play punctuation/grammar cop

Just every once in a while on the egregious ones. But if you want more feedback … well, it is what I’ve done for a living at a very high level for a very long time.

And yes, it’s/its has definitely gotten better.

Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.

by boltsfan21 on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

merci

Thanks for the feedback. Next up: their/there/they’re!

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Webster's, not Websters...

It’s the man’s dictionary, not two dictionaries.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Curse you, possessive s!

That was a typo, not an absence of knowledge on Daniel Webster.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Deja Vu?

The announcers stated CP3’s minutes were to be monitored to a max 30 minutes last night and he exceeded that. Remember in Chicago when John Paxson (GM) physically went after Vinny after a game for playing Joachim Noah more than he was suppose to due to a foot injury?

"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"

by PV Mike on Jan 27, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

a bit premature

It’s probably a tad premature to be predicting an Olshey/VDN throwdown over six extra minutes.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The early second quarter all-subs squad MUST DIE

They’re already killing US, after all. What’s the rationale for this? To lose a lead, as they’re doing consistently, just makes things harder for the starters later on.

I see plenty of decent substitution patterns available. I would bring in Gomes and Jones midway through the 1st, resting Butler and DJ. A squad with our starting guards + Blake is going to be fine. Later in the first, bring Mo in for one of the guards, and let him play well into the 2nd. At the end of the 1st or starting the 2nd, bring in Reggie and Foye for Blake and the other starting guard, and reinsert Butler and DJ. For sanity’s sake, Gomes should never be out there with as the 3rd option. As a rule, a squad without Blake needs to have either Caron or three of our guards. Later in the 2nd, bring Blake back in and do whatever the hell else you like. Reggie can spell DJ, for instance (minimizing Jones’ time).

I’m not a big Vinnie hater, but it seems to me that the complaints in this case are on target. I don’t see how a Mo-Foye-Gomes-Evans-Jones squad will ever be viable. If there are counterarguments, then let’s hear them.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jan 27, 2012 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

To be factual...

Mo-Foye-Gomes-Evans-Jones was never on the floor together last night. The early second lineups that lost the lead featured Griffin the entire time, and Griffin and Billups for most of the time. Griffin-Billups-Williams-Jones-Foye was -7 in a little over 2 minutes of court time. The flip side of that might be that Griffin was tiring after playing the entire first quarter, but you can’t have it both ways. If you’re going to keep a starter out there, that starter will not be as fresh.

So I agree with your premise that an 8 or 9 man rotation, provided there is enough positional flexibility in those 8 or 9 (and last night with Memphis playing small there certainly was) is more than sufficient and we shouldn’t ever see five backups in the game at once, not given who those guys are on this team. But last night is not the game that makes your case. VDN actually did exactly what you suggest, and they still lost a big lead.

One very specific problem is the utter lack of offensive threat represented in three of the four bigs in the current rotation. With Cook and Thompkins not viable options (and let’s face it, they’re not though Thompkins might be some day) the minute Blake leaves the floor, you’ve got a team that has no front court scoring beyond dunking. As Steve Kerr said last night, they’re playing 3 on 5. When you look at that situation, I really wonder why Craig Smith wasn’t brought back, and why Ike Diogu is sitting out there without a job.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Gomes is DONE

Aside from the occasional three pointer, he contributes virtually nothing. He should be the last guy on the bench, preferably in a suit.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He’s basically just a body at this point (and there’s some value in that.) He’s tall and strong and can play the 3. Other than Caron Butler, that doesn’t describle anybody else on the roster. Until that hole is plugged, there’s not much you can do but give Gomes PT when the situation calls for it.

I know there’s absolutely no way this would happen, but man, Tony Allen would be the perfect fit at the backup 2 and 3. Thabo also works and he’s also a guy who’s absolutely not available. I know people don’t like JR Smith, but he’s the only guy I can think of who fits the description and is somewhat gettable.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Was thinking the same thing about both guys - I'd take JR for that role

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by Jax on Jan 27, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

He's worse than a body

He’s a liability. Memphis got back into the game with Gomes on the floor. His contributions are negative at this point.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Honest question, assuming Butler needed a rest (and Butler was getting killed trying to guard Rudy Gay too), what other option do you have but Gomes? You can’t have Foye try to guard him.

Believe me, I agree Gomes is terrible. But you can’t fake height. Upgrade the backup 3 spot somehow and I’ll agree, Gomes gets to wear suits to games.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

There is no other option

I’m just complaining, with no solution to offer.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Understood. I took your comment about “Gomes should be in a suit” literally when it was probably just venting.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s too small. And Vinny is trying to do that now as much as possible anyway. He loves the 3 guard lineup.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

let Bledsoe guard SF?

i have seen him play good D against Miami’s SF haha

by big0lbad on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Bledsoe’s even smaller than Foye. Foye’s another guy who (frankly I’m not a fan of) is existing on this team based on height. Foye, unlike Mo and Bledsoe, has the size to guard opposing SGs. So even once Bledsoe comes back, Foye will still have a clear role in the rotation. Paul is the starter but small, so he can only guard opposing PGs. Mo can get bullied by stronger SGs and Bledsoe (while strong) is a bit short. Billups (staring SG), Butler (starting SF) and Foye are the only guys who can guard most of the SGs in the NBA.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Gomes was awful last night

But I’m not convinced he has no value. He plays decent defense at any rate. He’s low usage, so he’s not killing you with bad shots. In theory he can make a jumper, though that’s seeming less and less true.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the facts check

I somehow missed that. I’m pumping this out at work, so maybe someone can tell me, did Blake play the entire 1st plus the first part of the 2nd? That would be flawed for its own reasons. I like my pattern (above) better.

Discuss among yourselves: What would be the best 1st half rotation pattern for the Clippers?

I imagine that the FO was counting on Cook for offensive fire power from a 2nd unit big. Man does that look like a mistake.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jan 27, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Cook

Never misses in practice, never makes in games… That threw them off a little bit in their planning I guess.

BG went entire first quarter and almost 4 minutes into the second.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Looking at Popcornmachine now

I see that Blake went 3:40 into the 2nd, during which time he had no points and no rebounds. He also had no FG attempts, leading me to think that it may have something to do with Mo. Blake had 16 attempts for the game, but then again in the 4th, playing with Mo, he had zero attempts. I recall that the ball did go into him a number of times, but he didn’t have any space to operate. My thin hypothesis is that the Paul/Billups combo does a better job getting the ball to Blake in places where he can score. Or maybe Blake was tired. Or maybe Mo was just hot. I’ll keep an eye on this one.

I looked back at the previous two games (Lakers and Twolves), but popcornmachine doesn’t tell you everything, like exactly when in the quarter players take their shots. It’s hard to tell if Griffin is less productive with Mo in there. I DID notice that Griffin played the entire 1st and part of the 2nd of the Minnesota game, and again he wasn’t very effective for those 3.5 minutes of the 2nd. That’s also something to keep an eye on.

"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT

by SilverClip on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Mo/Blake screen and roll

When Mo runs the screen and roll with Blake it almost always results in a Mo jump shot, which frankly is fine. Blake’s man is hesitant to hedge to much for fear of the roll, and if the perimeter defender goes under the screen, Mo has enough room to take his shot, and he’s been deadly on it. CP3 won’t take that shot with nearly the same frequency as Mo.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Needed That

The Rudy Gay buzzer beater helped set up their run to get back in the game, but I definitely agree. After that timeout, you have to know the other team is going to come back firing – you can’t be trying to milk clock that early in the game, it’s just inviting the other team to come back. If anything, turn up the aggressiveness and aggression when you’re up big early against a good team.

Chauncey was yet again, painful to watch. Wow.

First time seeing Lionel Hollins, or noticing him. Like his demeanor and attitude, seems like one of the better coaches and you can tell he has a good handle on his team.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Memphis had some great possesions coming out of timeouts. Plays drawn up got some easy looks/baskets.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

He seems like a good one. He got that team going last year and kept them going without Rudy Gay, and has done the same this year without Zbo. And then there’s the watch, the pocket-square, and the lapel pins.

by John Raffo on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

they are a better team with both

but the drop-off without one of them is less then you would guess in my opinion. They are both go to scorers and when one of them is out the other picks up part of the slack.

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Strange thing about Hollins

This is his third stint with the Grizz, and the first two times he was a placeholder. Now suddenly he’s the best defensive coach in the league. Doesn’t quite add up.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

he has good defensive personel

during the play-offs he had Tony Allen and Battier. That’s not bad.

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

this

Tony Allen makes anyone a good defensive coach.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I know it is quite early in the season but hope the FO is really

looking to revamp our bench. The one thing I agree with pretty much every commentator is the fact that, aside from Mo and sometimes Foye, our second unit sucks. We really have no fire power. God forbid if Mo goes down with an injury right before or during the playoffs.

by lovinglosangeles on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

Question is..

The question is how patient the FO can be. There’s not much available right now. As the trade deadline approaches, you can probably flip Foye and a 2nd rounder for a decent player earning up to $6MM or so. Recent MLE signings that aren’t working out in their new home would be the profile. Someone like Travis Outlaw, only not Travis Outlaw.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's a thought...

Get on the phone with Phoenix and swap 2010 bad signings. Foye/Gomes for Childress/Frye. Suns cut salary, Clippers get marginally more useful players.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

clipperchuck would be very happy

everyone else would be indifferent

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 27, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Heck yea I would be

Although I’d rather do just Foye/Childress and amnesty/trade dump Gomes for cap flexibility in the summer. Acquiring both would cause some cap problems in 2 years.

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by ClipperChuck on Jan 27, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn’t going to be the one to say it, but yes, Childress makes a ton of sense too.

by Michael White on Jan 27, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I would take JChill at the right price

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by Jax on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

because gomes/foye only have 2 more years

Childress/Frye have 4 years left each, seems like this would kill our cap flexibility that’s 11 million to Childress and Frye and unlike Gomes we can’t use the amnesty on them

by XXDC2XX on Jan 27, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Suns would jump at it...

They have to start over, and neither Frye nor Childress are particularly useful for that (though truthfully, who exactly are the building around? Gortat?) So this deal gets them out of long term commitments to mediocre players. Of course, that’s exactly why the Clippers shouldn’t do it.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

i really think they are going to just have to give up bledsoe for a bench.

it’ll be wroth it too. if you can get the right guys for bledsoe, why wait to build a team when you can have it now.

by hans007 on Jan 27, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Sooooo happy to see you point out the Gasol out-of-bounds thing

I was so livid I was screaming at the TV, and it was compounded by the fact that Blake’s amazing bucket meant that the sequence was replayed about 10 times. I kept expecting that Reggie or Kerr would notice and say something, but nope. Huge play because it led directly to the flagrant on the other end, and every bit as obvious as DJ’s goaltend, but nary a word about it from the geniuses on TNT.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

It wasn't even close.


Quality is not great but in the pic above, the ball just leaving Gasol’s hands.

by dulciusXasperis on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Love to see that pic

But it’s broken… can you fix it?

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What I really hated about that play:

Griffin dunks but gets pushed in the back and falls into the camera man. Memphis takes advantage by pushing the ball upcourt 5-on-4. So they get to take advantage of taking a guy out of the play. Isn’t this when the ref is supposed to check the ball before the inbounds?

by Thretch on Jan 27, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 27, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically

There is no such thing as “ref should check the ball” – you can inbound as quickly as you want without any ref intervention after a made bucket. Only out of bounds and fouls requires refs to restart. Of course, there’s also a rule about GETTING OUT OF BOUNDS BEFORE PASSING THE BALL IN! It was like a friggin’ And one tape.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 27, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

But can't the refs blow the whistle and stop play in certain situations?

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

likes fouls and stuff???

I get what you are saying but your post on itself is quite funny =)

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 28, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Yikes. Guess that post didn’t come out as planned.

I meant in certain after-made-basket situations, of course. I feel like that’s something I’ve seen quite a bit.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 28, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

few points

-felt like blake was aggressive last night, lots of driving to the rim and less jumpers.. maybe he was less intimidating going against smaller defenders, but you’d think he’d be more content shooting jumpers over a smaller defender. that three he took was still terrible… less jumpers blake.
-paul looked great. paul is generally great. he makes the entire team so much better i cant even put it into words. that one crossover he had an allen to the floater was too sick.
-marc gasol is so good. easily a top 3 center in the league, no?
-rudy gay feels a lot like the new caron butler, no? seeing how ball dominant gay can be makes me happier that caron has adjusted to his role so well.
-hopefully vdn continues to mix in starters with our second unit.
-dick stockton is hilarious, i liked listening to the hubie/stockton pairing back in the day. it’s like listening to your old, occasionally obvlivious, but extremely wise grandparents. steve kerr is a great bball mind, he only talks when necessary and always has something insightful to say.
-this was a big win, the griz are very good.

by shap on Jan 27, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions  

I disagree, I want blake to take more jumpers, when he makes those consistently he will be unstoppable!

but he has to shoot them to get better at them, he can’t be afraid to take down!

this will set him apart from the rest when he gets these down.

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by ThaFoX on Jan 27, 2012 6:43 PM PST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately Reggie Miller still has a job.

I don’t get this at all. His insights are weak, his catch phrases are lame and, what’s more, he has a nasal, whiny voice.

Guys like Kerr are 1000% better.

by DariusN on Jan 28, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake aggressive

Because he (or coaching staff) recognized Memphis has no one to defend him. Gasol too slow, other guys not strong enough. Blake man handled anyone who tried.

by Thretch on Jan 27, 2012 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

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