Howard for Griffin= no brainer
by letsgolal on Jan 28, 2012 6:28 PM PST
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Are the Clips contender this year? NO next year? Yes
If The Clips traded for Howard, they instantly will be a contender.
Howards defensive value can't be understated. With players like Turkoglu, Nelson, Anderson (I mean all of the Magic other than Howard) are bad or worst defensive players. But still the Magic are year in and year out a top defensive teams.
And loyalty doesnt count. Do you think if the Clippers is a bad team, Griffin will not ask to be traded?
PS:Im a Laker fan obviously, but living in LA, Clips is my 2nd fav team. And if the Lakers cant win the chip, I want the Clips to win it. And I watch Clipper games, and Griffin might average 20-10 in the season, but comes playoff time it will be different.
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then why don't you trade Kobe for Howard?
According to your logic, Kobe for Howard should be even more of a no brainer for Lakers. To make it fair, Lakers should throw in Bynum as well because he isn’t as good as the Lakers think he is.
No, it's the Clip Show!
by dan73962 on Jan 28, 2012 6:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i think Lakers fan are just lost with all this 16 banner talk.
they are too confuse. thats why they only live in the past……..
by LAClippers1983 on Jan 29, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Kobe for Dwight would be a no brainer for the lakers
But why would the magic take that deal?
"Fresh out the airport/ Fresh out the chair with the clippers/ Like Sean Livin' thinking, hmm/ I'm trying to get it like Sean get it" - Wale "Beautiful Bliss"
Also, Kobe has a no trade clause.
So there was no way that would happen.
Loyalty doesn't count?
Of course it does. Griffin has been loyal to us thus far, no reason we should disrespect him now.
Great Point.....(dan73962)
Hey No Brainer……(letsgolal)
Are you still bittier about the CP3 trade? wouldnt you love to see BG32 in purple and gold uniform??? YOU WISH
And WHY the HELL are watching Clipper games???? oh thats right it gets boring when you see a bunch a no names that you dont know…. and watch you bigs laying it up instead of dunking it
Trade Bynuw & Gasol (Big Bird) for D12…. (Now that a No Brainer)
Let's not hate, and let's show a little class.
Agreed, I’m not a fan of the Lakers at all, but basketball fans are basketball fans. I don’t like him coming here and saying stuff like that, but no reason to bash on him watching Clippers games, because that is somewhat bashing a Clipper fan. But seriously, Bynum and Gasol for D12 is even more of a no brainer. They act as if Bynum is in a slump, but the turth is, he was just on fire his first games back. Gasol is becoming inconsistent, so no, he can’t always walk the walk, he just got WRECKED by the Bucks.
Your right Sufin.....Showing class is the key
But let ask my 6 yr old son, Who should show some class, when the Lakers Fans droping the F bombs and telling the both of us (clipper fans) to get the F out of Staples. When we where @ the Clipper vs Laker game…..
letsgolal you keep watching Clippers (Lob City)
Go Bucks
I take back what I said.
This guy is an idiot.
griffin
is the reason for everything good that is happening to clips.don’t be a douche
Laker troll is a laker troll
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
this
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
"Are the Clips contender this year? NO next year? Yes"
By that logic, then any team worse than the Clippers surely can’t be considered a contender. Take a look at the Pacific Standings and you’ll see that the Lakers mustn’t be a contender this year either, eh?
And I don’t see where you see them magically turning into a contender next season if you don’t believe they are a contender to begin with. Chauncey may not return in 2012-2013 and I find it hard to believe that basing their contender status for 2012-2013 entirely on the development of a few players who are already good-great players makes any sense.
The roster composition of the Clippers resembles the 2010-2011 Mavericks pretty well, and I will not concede — based on that comparison and a few other things — that the Clippers, without Howard, are not contenders in 2011-2012. You better believe they’re contenders too; otherwise it’ll be real painful when your favorite team finishes behind non-contenders in the standings.
huh?
When did I say the Lakers are contending this year?
I wanted a Howard trade for the Clippers to win a championship.
You Clipper fans have issues, I even never said Lakers is better than the Clippers, You’re jealousy and hatred for the lakers shows.
We are jealous?
Get out of here. Nobody in their right mind would want the Lakers roster over the Clippers roster. Your only defense is your history, and that isn’t going to help you now, nor will it help you later. Why would want want your garbage? I 7 foot, soft Spanish player who talks the talk, but is proving he CAN’T walk the walk. He picks a fight with a 6 footer and he can’t even hold his own against undersized players on the Bucks. A 33 year old guy who throws up a shot whenever he can find an opening? Yeah, we want THAT. And a 7 foot center who can only claim maturity past DeMarcus Cousins? Please, your roster is nowhere near as deep as the Clippers and we are by no means jealous. You can keep your Lakers.
yeah right
Gotta be kidding, did i state that this season? The franchise achievements is what I’m pertaining to. Cant you read?, I said the lakers is not better than Clippers this season.
haha.. Please.. You’re really funny
Look you are a guest here
you admitted you aren’t really a clipper fan so you need to act with respect. Right now you are being a dick and guests really shouldn’t be dicks. So if you calm down we can have an intelligent conversation. Otherwise get out.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
look
then some fans here need to act with respect first. They’re the one who started it.
You are a guest though they are not
and the subject of your post was going to draw some inflammatory comments. However you also chose to respond in a way that was not at all classy. Differing viewpoints are allowed but only when they are expressed in a way as to breed discussion and not as way to provoke response.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
No, you are the one who started it.
As you can see, I suggested being classy, but you pretty much killed that. Let’s point out some things, you exclaimed NO, in caps I might add, to the question if they are contenders. Then you completely undervalue Griffin; newsflash, his ceiling is unseen right now, and to me, that’s a GREAT THING, because it means it is that high.
Lol Lakers fan clinging on to the past
We’re talking about today… The Clippers are better.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Jan 28, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I'm so jealous of your creaky old retirement home roster.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
well
That’s why Clippers are one of the worst franchise in Major Sports.
They’re fans value highlights than the REAL deal.
Only Clipper Homers think CP+BG>CP+DH.. Too bad..
Im arguiing in a very civilize way, but you started this bashing. SO be it.
ok - let's do this in a civilized manner
Don’t you think you are seriously undervaluing Blake? Sure, D12 is better than BG this year, hands down, no argument there. But BG is no slouch. What BG did in his rookie year was only done by Lebron in recent years. BG has a legitimate potential to be better than D12 in few years in my opinion. Plus, when you consider his marketing value, fan base, younger age, and the fact that he was a Clippers draft pick in a history of failures in epic proportions, I think betting money on Blake long term is the no-brainer decision for the franchise.
No, it's the Clip Show!
I believe that's there is no better marketing strategy than winning the championship.
Yes, BG has the potential to become the best player in the NBA. But it is still potential (time is gold, CP3 is 26? and we dont know how his knees will hold up), Howard is arguably the best player in the NBA (he and LeBron only).
This is the time to strike when the WEST is weak in terms of top-tier teams.
A real superstar dominates both offensive and defensive end.
Lebron, Wade, Howard, Kobe, Garnett, Duncan, Jordan, Olajuwon dominates the game in both sides.
Arguably the best player?
Please, when he starts contending for MVP, then say he is one of the best. Don’t forget about Rose and Durant.
my last reply
isnt Howard contending for MVP? Last year he is second in MVP voting. The prior years, he was either top 3, top 5 or top 10.
You’re really fun.. This was my last reply because I cant stop laughing at you’re argument.
*was second...; *funny...; *your argument...
that’s it! that’s my last reply!
sorry for being a jerk!
No, it's the Clip Show!
by dan73962 on Jan 28, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
focusing on the grammar instead of the POST.
Hah! I knew that would bring you back to this post.
No, it's the Clip Show!
I feel like LeBron James playing the Lakers.
Now I realize why he enjoys toying with them :). PS, we aren’t always like this, but when you come to our home turf and post garbage like this greatly under valuing our star player, expect us to be in a pretty annoyed move.
Did not realize that.
My bad. I’ll give you that point, but go ahead and argue to my other one. I’ll use your fact to help my argument; why wouldn’t you trade a near MVP for a fading Gasol and a sure-to-be-injured Bynum?
Also, that is pretty much all of the Laker trolls defense.
When the argument starts to get tough and you realize you have nothing, you merely say we are a joke and then leave. That happens 9/10 times with Laker fans.
I would
do a trade for Howard+Turkoglu+Anderson
Anderson?
He isn’t in the question. Yet again overvaluing your players. You aren’t getting Anderson for your trash.
Look at it this way.
The Magic have a better record than the Lakers and Anderson and Howard are their best players…. by FAR, nobody even comes close to competing. Pau and Bynum are on the worse Laker team and they are merely the 2nd and 3rd players on the team, but their performance is underwhelming and subpar to say the least. Why would the Magic trade two of their best players, and arguably their 3rd best player for the Lakers underperforming big men who are proving to have a bad attitude.
I'll be honest, I don't want the Lakers to get Dwight.
But a Bynum+ Gasol for Hedo+ Dwight is much more reasonable than a Bynum for Dwight straight up deal. I’ve made my argument, now tell me, why is a Bynum and Dwight deal fair? And don’t tell me that the Magic either get Bynum or nothing, because when has a team never been offered anything for a top 5 player?
Again
When did I say a Bynum for Howard is fair?
When did I say the Lakers is better than the Clippers for this season?
When did I say I wouldnt do a Howard+Magic Players for Bynum+Gasol trade?
Gotta sleep
Are you tell me you got-to sleep or I should go to sleep.
Yet again, Grammar counts. And I’m sorry, you were trolling on these boards so I assumed you were just like the other Lakers trolls. So my bad, I didn’t realize you were somewhat reasonable and rational, because almost EVERY Lakers fan thinks there needs to be change. Anyways, fear the deer. I would advise you to look for some change seeing as your whole team is inconsistent.
The Magic would defintiely not do that trade
at the very least they would make you take on Turkoglu’s contract. And even then they might not do the trade but that would be the minimum cost.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Jan 28, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dwight is a top 5 player...
but not even close to the best player. There’s LeBron, and then there’s the rest of the league.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I think that does raise his value.
At the same time, there are very few big men like Griffin and DeAndre. They are valuable for numerous reasons. I am comfortable with DJ being our starting center; of course anyone will have trouble with someone of Bynum’s stature unless he is largely built like Dwight or Perkins, but DJ and Blake are rare in that they are big men who are the first ones down the court on offense. Not to mention Blake is slowly bringing an outside game and he can dribble the ball better than any other PF not named Lamar Odom.
Blake
not always the first one down the court…. he is on fast breaks, when he is looking for a dunk… but otherwise? Not a true statement.
Sorry, that's what I meant.
He is always sprinting ahead of the pack on fastbreaks. You rarely see that in PFs.
Also, it seems he is always looking for dunks
So he is almost always the first one down on fastbreaks. But I think his dribble is solid for a big man and his explosive speed is quite rare, although not unseen on other rosters.
i agree surfin
blake is explosive, always on the attack. that is why i nicknamed him the “Raging Bull”.
i think only karl malone would get as many fast break points for a Power Forward.
Stop changing his nickname.
Thanks for the support, but let’s just keep his nickname simple and not… well, far out there. Unless he does something crazy, Blakeshow or BG should suffice.
Can we all agree that we don't make up weird names for him?
Unless he okays it? I wasn’t completely on board with a nickname like THE BLACK MAMBA for Kobe, but he is fine with it. I am quite sure Griffin would hate RAGING BULL!
The time to strike in the west is now?
The fact is, we need a team who can run in order to beat a team like OKC. Not to mention we need those fresh legs if we were to go the finals; the Heat have a great shot at making the finals, and they play a very fast paced game. Griffin is perfect for this.
there is the difference in our philosophy
For perennial contenders like Lakers, it’s a championship or bust.
For Clippers who contend make a playoff appearance every 10 or 20 years, I would be much more content having a long term playoff contender and seeing the young talent grow over the years (see OKC team model).
By the way, I do agree that D12 is a top 3 player in the league.
No, it's the Clip Show!
I don't.
To me, there is no competition to LeBron, Rose, and Durant.
Ehh ok... Top 5 definitely.
No, it's the Clip Show!
I DO, however, find it difficult to compare different positions, especially centers.
I mean they have completely different roles. Durant is a scorer, plain and simple, Rose is a leader, a scorer, and a facilitator. LeBron is just an all around player. It’s hard to compare that with someone like Dwight who has a completely different role.
I think it's even worse for PFs
Defensively, they are asked to do all the things that Centers but Centers are taller.
Offensively and in clutch time, they are only as good as the guards lets them be.
In transition, the guards and small forwards always get a running start.
No, it's the Clip Show!
What would make us the worst franchise in major sports...
would be trading away Griffin right now, because everyone would be second-guessing once he reaches his prime in that other team’s uniform.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Exactly! because Blake is as sure of a thing as D12. So why not enjoy the ride?
If Blake doesn’t turn the team into perennial contenders in few years, then we can start talking just like all the superstars in the league (Carmelo, LBJ, Wade, etc) who isn’t happy after they can’t seem to win with the same team in 3 to 5 years.
No, it's the Clip Show!
Excuse me?
Clipper fans value highlights and statistics over wins? That would be why the Clippers have more wins than the Lakers, and all that I ever hear after a Laker loss is "whatever, dude, Kobe had 30’.
Another dumb statement
the clippers value highlights over statistics, then why did we stick with out team when things were bad and there were neither highlights or statistics. You are very quickly wearing out your welcome letsgolal.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Jan 28, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, let's be civilized.
I never seem to argue with a Laker fan who tries to be civilized, so let’s go at it. Why wouldn’t you trade Bynum AND Pau for Dwight? Especially because their value is depreciating more and more while Dwights is still rising.
To be fair...
there are plenty of knowledgeable fans over at Silver Screen and Roll. Unfortunately, most of them don’t visit here.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
I agree to that.
But at the same time, I have seen a majority of pretty bad comments. They all call for Brown to be fired, when they don’t realize that they have nobody to truly facilitate the game. They call for a trade immediately while they don’t want to give up Pau and Bynum. They say they can add sweetners when it is apparent that they have nobody desirable who isn’t 7 feet tall. I am all for being classy and arguing in a civil way, but when you have to overvalue all of your players, I really so no way that it will be a rational argument.
Gotta Sleep
When did I say a Bynum for Howard is fair?
When did I say the Lakers is better than the Clippers for this season?
When did I say I wouldnt do a Howard+Magic Players for Bynum+Gasol trade?
Gotta sleep
When did you drop out of high school?
When did ‘is’ become an acceptable substitute for ‘are’?
When did it become acceptable to not use basic punctuation?
Goodnight.
Gotta sleep refers to you needing sleep. I gotta sleep, I gotta eat, I gotta breath. Thanks for stating the obvious. Unless you meant GO TO SLEEP? If that’s what you meant then see, Grammar counts. Basically, you didn’t say any of those things, but I personally assumed you wanted some action done seeing the Lakers are a struggling team right now. Kobe is a couple losses away from saying something dumb.
Just leave..
You’re embarrassing yourself.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Jan 28, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't that what the Bucks were telling the Lakers tonight?
Cheap shot, I know. But honestly, I’m not in the best mood to argue with a Laker fan right now, but for the some reason, I can’t stay away.
can someone go to silver screen and roll, make a post called "Kobe for Howard = no brainer"
pretty sure their response would be a lot worse than this
Or Pau Gasol + Bynum for Howard = no brainer.
To be quite honest, I would make this post in a heartbeat, but I don’t want to give Clipper fans a bad image. I want to be a classy fan and not hypocritical.
Clipper fans always keeping it classy
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Yes
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Jan 29, 2012 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
Damn...
Leave the Lakers fan alone, he didn’t start nothing. He just suggested that DH for Griffin should be a no brainer for the Clippers. I think Blake is untouchable, simply because we don’t know how high his ceiling is… we already know how high Dwight’s is. =/
+1
He just gave his opinion on the trade and to be fair a lot of people here have also say they would do the trade in a second.
I agree
I read all of it, and it feels like the Laker fan stated his opinions, and immediately because they knew he was a Laker fan, some Citizens decided it was meant in mean spirits. If this exact post were made by a… New Orleans fan, for example, I don’t think anyone would be giving them such a hard time. This was more than a little embarrassing.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Even if his points were solid
he wasn’t very eloquent… I counted 15 basic elementary writing errors in this short post… things like subject-verb agreement and keepint the same tense.
When you have to work hard to read…
You guys obviously didn't read all the comments
because if you did, it would be clear that he instigated the comments.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Hmm..
I did read all the comments before posting my comment, maybe I missed something. But from what I see, we jumped on the Laker fan first. Just sayin.
As you can see I first said let's keep some class
When he pointed out that we were jealous, that’s when I got annoyed
Can't blame him
We jumped on him first, read the comments above that buddy.
I have read this.
He comes in here and undervalues our best player. I know that we did jump on him and I apologize for our lack of class at some points, but if you go into enemy territory with a gun in your hand, do you expect us to take you in?
What gun?
He made a comment and was trying to incite a healthy debate, which is always refreshing as we get to see how others view the whole issue.
WHAT GUN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
I don't know how you read it, but I was a tad annoyed at how it was written. Maybe I took it the wrong way.
Whenever I read something, I look at everything. I agree, his content is valid and so is his topic, but I wasn’t happy with him for several reasons. Like I said, I tried to keep it classy initially, I even said that, but then I changed sides. His guns I’m referring to are his words. To me, words can be weapons depending on how you use them. Here are some things:
“No Brainer”- this showed me that he undervalued Griffin. Many of us contemplated this before, but I think we can agree that few would make this deal without much thought.
“Are the Clippers a contender this year? NO”- Although I agree to this statement, the fact that he put NO in caps made me a little annoyed because that showed me that he really didn’t have faith in the Clippers.
Finally, I changed my mind when he said that we are jealous and that Clipper fans have problems.
He also said...
“Are the Clippers a contender this year? NO Next year? yes”
He also said that the Clippers are his second favorite team after the Lakers.. and that he also hopes the Clips can win the ship.
Explain to me one more time how he is bringing a gun?
Here is what I believe
When you come onto another team’s board and you start undervaluing the other teams players, do you expect to not stir up controversy? If I were to go to the Lakers board right now and post, Pau and Bynum for Dwight is a no brainer, should I expect them to show class and respect? No, I expect them to get defensive. He put emphasis on the NO and that is what annoyed me; even if he did concede to the opposition by saying Next year? Yes. So that is him bringing in his gun or pretty much asking for a battle. So answer my initial question, if I go to Silver Screen and Roll right now and made a fanpost, Pau and Bynum for Dwight is a no brainer, should I expect to be respected and shown class or should I expect there to be a battle/argument?
Last post
He is not undervaluing Griffin. As a matter of fact, a lot of people outside this board think that a Griffin and Howard should be a no brainer for the Clippers. Again, he is just stating his opinion.
As far as him thinking that the Clippers will not win a ship this year, that’s his opinion too and should not be perceived as an attack. Guess what, even I don’t think that the Clippers will win the ship this year. Am I attacking our beloved team? Should fearless leader ban me from this website? No, I’m just simply stating my opinion.
And just because you think that other boards will attack you if you post something similar (which I doubt to be quite honest), doesn’t justify you jumping on this Lakers fan. You posted yourself that we need to stay classy. Man up to your word, and stay classy.
Between this thread and the other thread, it has become quite clear to me that you seek to argue just for the sake of arguing.
That wasn't the question in point, now was it.
You asked me explain how he is bringing in a gun. Well, I did just that. I explained to you that if you go to other boards with a post like this you are asking for a fight, and that was my point. I’m not going to lie, I often times enjoy an argument, but at the same time, I don’t see what is wrong with that.
Yes, I know that post was condescending.
But you continued to ignore my point, and that caused me to emphasize my argument.
You said: Explain to me one more time how he is bringing a gun?
I did just that and you are still not satisfied, then you go on and try to use that against me? I answered your question, and you are simply not listening. So THAT is why I was condescending; when someone doesn’t listen yet he wants to argue, then that defeats the whole purpose. A debate takes two people, and you aren’t even taking anything I say into consideration. Thanks, and have a nice day. I don’t believe I can change your mind nor can you change mine; we shall agree to disagree. Go Clippers.
For as smart as you make yourself
You are quite dense. I was justifying how his comments are his opinions and should not be viewed as him bringing a gun. If he comes around here saying how Griffin sucks and how the Clippers suck, that would be bringing a gun as you’d like to put it. He simply stated his opinions, which you perceived to be an attack on the Clippers. That’s what I was trying to convey to you.
And please, stop being a condescending prick. We get it, you’re Mr. 4.0 GPA High School Valedictorian. You’re better than the rest of us, we get it…
You make me sound for more condescending than I actually am.
Honestly, I’m proud of being educated and I’m not afraid to use that. I work my butt of in school, and just as an athlete, engineer, doctor, etc is proud in his or her accomplishments, I’m proud of mine. I do not think I am better than anyone, because I never like to compare myself to others because there are too many things to take into consideration. I apologized for attacking him, but now you are attacking me and I’m not going to stand for that. Controversy is started by opinion, because facts leave no room for question. I feel that he was bringing guns as I stated before. You make him sound like he is an avid supporter of the Clippers and such, but look at my argument you dolt. To many, it may seem that a Dwight for Griffin trade is ideal for the Clippers, but at the same time, it starts controversy. Just as I said numerous other times, you don’t go to another teams board offering their star player/players for someone else. Say what you want, to me, there is no question that he knew he would start something, hence, he was bringing his guns. Go ahead, go to ANY other team board and post something like this, tell me how many times everyone mutually agrees and doesn’t start to argue with you. It WON’T happen. Call me a prick all you want, you are the one who A) Defended a 40 year old man who was willing to fight a minor and B) defended a Laker fan who came here knowing full well they would start controversy. I’m not against all Laker fans, but you don’t pick a fight with your enemies and expect to be welcomed.
Also, the fact that you call me out as a "condescending prick" shows how much class you have.
You preach that one should man up to his or her word, well it seems that you want to be a Classy Clips fan as you are arguing on his side. I don’t blame you for wanting show some class. But are you really going to call me a condescending prick because you have seen 2 of my arguments? That’s cool. If you haven’t actually studied ways of argument, I added the fact that my friends and I are 4.0 students in order to augment our images in order to improve my argument so you could see that we were labeled as delinquents when we are near the opposite of that; my point was you don’t judge a book by it’s cover, whether that cover be age or not. You on the other hand are proving that the outside is in fact a big thing. In our other argument, you believed that I should respect someone due to age, but here, you are saying we shouldn’t judge him merely because he is a Laker fan. So basically, the outside only sometimes counts? Practice what you preach buddy.
Truth hurt your feelings Surfin?
Reread some of your replies to the Lakers fan above, and don’t tell me you were not being a jerk to him? Reread some of your other comments in the other thread as well and tell me that you were not being a condescending prick?
I’m just calling it as I see it.
I admitted that I'm condescending in my arguments.
While you can’t admit you are a hypocrite. This argument answers both of your replies. You tell me to learn how to read, you learn how to read. You are telling me to different things so let me make it plain and simple.
A) You should respect him due to his age. In this one, you are telling me that I should respect a man for his age; this is basically telling me that I should respect his “cover”.
B) You shouldn’t judge him because he is a Laker fan. This one, you are telling me that I shouldn’t judge him by his cover.
Make up your damn mind. I’m essentially done with this argument because I believe I proved my point. How was he coming out with guns? Yet again, he went onto OUR board and made a controversial fanpost. He knew the consequences of this, and he knew that this topic would bring up arguments against it. If he felt we would all agree to this, there would be no point in making the fanpost to begin with. So yes, he knew there would be some controversy, and THAT, my friend, is how he brought in guns.
The truth? The truth is I AM condescending in my arguments because that emphasizes the mistakes in other people’s arguments. It’s a strategy, and as you know, I call it as I see it. You criticized me for being blunt with timkempton or whatever, and now you have the nerve to call me out on that when you don’t advocate that type of action? Ha! You are a hypocrite and I it makes me wonder if you can even walk. A house divided cannot stand, and you have divided thoughts which seem to only apply when you want them to. I have made my argument, and whether people agree or disagree, I believe in what I say. Thanks for the nice debate, but please, if you are merely going to call me names, don’t even bother arguing.
To clarify my comment.
I admit that I am condescending, but I shall not admit that I am a “condescending prick”. To me, condescension augments my arguments, while I don’t feel like a bad person. Prick implies that I am bad, while in fact I think I merely pose solid arguments.
Ok
You win. I’m sorry, I’ll go back to my man cave now, and let the world be as how you see fit.
But if I may say something before I head off to my man cave
All I’ve been saying is you are being pretentious and condecending, which was clearly stated in the beginning.
Ok, that’s all.. off to my man cave.
There is no winning or losing.
In the past, I felt there always had to be a victor and a loser. I was wrong. I also know I am wrong in the definition of a debate, but to me, it is to throw all the information on the table and augment eachother’s views. I am sorry if this got personal or something, but I did not mean to come off as a prick if that is what you feel I did. At the same time, I don’t appreciate your attitude when you choose to end the debate. We have a difference in opinions; what you see as condescending, I see as a characteristic to improve my argument. You feel that I try to act above others, but in fact, I don’t. Just because I stand by my opinions that does not mean I think I am better than you. I think my opinions are right, of course I do, because they are MY OPINIONS, they are what I BELIEVE.
We did jump first
Just bc someone is a laker fan doesn’t mean we have to make everything about that. This team might be better with Howard. It doesn’t matter who says it. It’s still an argument worth considering and its sort of embarrassing that people dismiss it just because the guy is a laker fan
"Fresh out the airport/ Fresh out the chair with the clippers/ Like Sean Livin' thinking, hmm/ I'm trying to get it like Sean get it" - Wale "Beautiful Bliss"
I don't believe we dismiss it.
There have been several discussions concerning this, so I believe that many of us have already considered what our team could be like with Dwight. I do apologize that we jumped first, but I would say the majority of members here on Clips nation have already considered the possibility of a Dwight Griffin trade. To most of us it isn’t a “no brainer” like he said, and that is what annoyed me a tad.
why would Clippers fans not do the trade?
because we prefer Brian Cook
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
is it just because im a laker fan first
fact: howard is better than griffin now fact: howard is the most dominant defensive presence in the nba fact: griffin has a higher ceiling than howard opinion:if you have a chance to win a championship now, why not go for it. Do not prolong the chances, because there are things that can’t be controlled (like injury, how will clipper owner will deal with luxury tax 2 years from now and a new dominant team may rise). In the west, the thunder is considered the team to beat, but they have a glaring weakness, no low post threat. i dont recall any championship team that has now low post threat. so why cant you see that this is the time to dominate the west. PS: i would do a howard-kobe swap in a heartbeart.
by letsgolal on Jan 29, 2012 10:24 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Howard for Kobe?
So you want your three best players to be in the post? Who would start? Fisher, Barnes, Artest, Gasol, Howard?
With an all-star starter off the bench?
There needs to be multiple deals there
grabbing Howard doesn't automatically mean championship
Of course it’ll up our chances but for once, the Clippers have a homegrown superstar to call their own. Pretty sure that trading away Blake Griffin will tell a lot of players that the Clippers have no loyalty to their players because they just traded away the one player who singlehandedly put them in spotlight. Why would Chris Paul stay after that, knowing that the front office will immediately trade him once another superstar becomes available. And if CP3 and Dwight cannot bring a championship to the Clippers, both of them are going to leave, and the Clippers will have no superstar and one of the worst public images in sports history.
So no, trading Blake Griffin for Howard looks good on paper, but there are a lot of other factors that comes into play when trading away superstars.
Here is what I have to say to all of this.
Fact: There are numerous people better than Blake Griffin as of now. But at the same time, would I trade? No. Kevin Love is better than Griffin as of now? So is that a no brainer? I don’t think so. Dirk, yes right now, he is better. Trade? No Gasol? He is a better passer, more consistent shooter, and he is very intelligent. So you can argue he is better, but would we ever do that? No. So the fact is, there are numerous people better than Griffin, doesn’t mean we should deal him.
Fact: We would have to trade DJ AND Griffin to get Howard, and there is no exact source saying that we would get Anderson back like others have said. So what happens? We lose 2 solid players for Howard. DeAndre is fine on defense and Griffin has so many upsides. At the end of the day, I would rather have 2 filled spots rather than 1, especially when both have yet to show their potential.
Low post threat? Didn’t you win a Championship without Andrew Bynum (he was injured)? Also, to claim that the Thunder have no lost post threats is crazy. Serge Ibaka and Perkins would have something to say about that. Perkins is proven in the playoffs and Ibaka is long and strong.
Finally: Kobe for Howard swap, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Fisher
Goudelock
Barnes
Pau
Howard. You just got your 2nd or 3rd best player benched..
Kobe for Howard is not dumb
If the Lakers could do that trade it would be brillant, they could the try a move for Deron, or trade Bynum or Pau for depth.
True, I'm just thinking about immediate results.
If the Lakers got Dwight, then it is true that they could move for Deron. At the same time, they probably could not get the deal done because they overvalue Dwight and Pau. They would expect something like a Bynum straight up for Deron deal, which would not happen. At that point, they would possibly be more desperate to get rid of Bynum and REALLY in need of a PG or SG. Then they might have to trade Pau AND Bynum for Deron. Then they are in the same situation as they are now, because they would have glaring holes in their roster.
Saying that Blake for Howard is no brainer assumes we live in some sort of fantasy basketball world
sure on paper the deal seems fine. But there are other factors than stats that have to be thought about int he real world. For instance as many as said if we trade Griffin we show the league that we have no loyalty to anyone as Griffin is the only reason that we were able to get Paul and are now good enough where people like Dwight might be interested in coming here. Also we don’t even know if Dwight would be willing to stay. And even if he did we could only sign him to a 4 year extension ( which includes the year he is currently playing so really we would have him for 3 full seasons) while we could have Griffin for a full 5 more seasons. Also while we do know that Dwight is great and is the best center in the game he is essentially at his prime right now and will not get better, while Blake is still only two seasons into his career and his ceiling is sky high and unknown and may very well be better than Dwight in a couple of seasons (Dwight could also get worse in a couple of seasons who knows). So really you are saying that gutting out team should be a no brainer which is idiocy in the real world.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
hmm
“And loyalty doesnt count.”
“PS:Im a Laker fan obviously”
that explains it.
(for the record, i’m against the trade and hope to see blake finish his career as a clip.)
loyalty doesn't count was the dumbest part of the whole thing
of course loyalty counts, without loyalty how are players going to trust us.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Jan 29, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
yeah right
you’re not going to talk loyalty right now if the clippers still suck and griffin wanted to leave.
James, Howard, Williams, Kobe are just examples, eventhough they’re team is a legit playoff team with some being a contender, they either asked to be traded or shows body languages and actions that they are not happy.
loyalty is overstated. You laso forgot that the Clips told E.Gordon that he’s safe from the trade, look what happens. If the team or the player sees a better life in the other team, Loyalty does not count
Unrelated
But please don’t bring up Eric Gordon in this with regards to loyalty. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Eric Gordon was a necesarry loss
but he isn’t nearly as responsible for the teams current state as Blake is. Blake is the sole reason we are even able to fathom getting a guy like Dwight, the last thing we did need to do is create a reputation in which the team shows no commitment to players who bring them success.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
what about the impression of “the clippers will do anything to win a championship”?
by letsgolal on Jan 30, 2012 2:11 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's more of a Laker approach
Yes, I want a championship more than anything, but our team has to show loyalty to their players. There are numerous places that show that they will do anything to win a championship, but there aren’t that many places that can stay loyal to their players. Take your Lakers for example. You are so quick to dismiss Kobe and search for a new start that you forget what in fact he brought to your team. He has brought you 5 rings, without him, there aren’t any rings. No you look to abandon him? He has probably 3 more years and him and you call for his head now, but from what I’m seeing, he is one of the best veterans out there. He wants to win and he will do anything to win, just like you Laker fans want. Before you start saying we should change up our roster, take a step back and look at what WE are saying. Loyalty DOES count for Clipper fans, you still show your Purple and Gold because you would rather show no loyalty and throw the face of your organization out in order to get slightly better chances at a ring. Here is a reminder, your chances right now are naught and improving that by 5 percent with Dwight is not worth it.
Just to be clear, Kobe for Howard is not only improbable, its impossible.
For the following reason…Kobe has a no trade clause. But even if that didn’t exist, the reason why Kobe cannot be traded is because of his contract. He is the HIGHEST paid player in the nba. For what Miami is paying Lebron and Wade, we’re paying Kobe and Steve Blake. No one in their right mind would take that trade.
Which is also why the lakers stink. The Lakers are so far over the salary cap they can’t sign any real talent without huge financial penalties. IE: Lakers will not be able to contend until Kobe retires. His contract is too big of a burden. Sorry laker fans, but its the truth.
Kobe only has 2 more years in his contract.
At that point, I’m sure they would cut down his salary.
Why are still taking about this?
This is Stupid……. and look who wrote this a Laker Fan…
Guys The Clippers will not trade Blake… and thats period…
Bitter Laker Fan still hurt by the CP3 trade….
Lakers have 2 (7 footers) that play soft….. come on they got out played by old timer like Gooden from the bucks…
Hey maybe… if given a chance (Luke Walton) can throw up some crazy numbers if he plays.
plz use your logic
how come am I bitter if I wanted Howard to team up with Paul to win the championship?
some of clipper fans really just hate Lakers.. haha
I don’t see it, if you live in LA, its either you are no.1 fan of Lakers, no.2 fan of Clippers or vice versa.. Why the Hatred?
Because years of Laker hatred.
You act as if we are the ones who originally had the hatred. I apologize for showing a lack of class, but before you talk about US having hatred, look at your own fans. It is NOT either you like the Lakers 1 or like the Clippers 2 or vice versa, I would say the majority of people love one and hate the others. Before you act like a peace maker and such, please, look at your own fans. The hatred of the Clippers by Laker fans is much more apparent than Clippers hate on the Lakers. If we all did hate the Lakers, our reasons are much stronger and more clear cut.
Too many Homers on this site... disappointing...
I expect better from Clipper fans than typical kneejerk homer reactions. Maybe new bandwagoners?
Bottomline is, from a talent standpoint, Blake for D.Ho is a no brainer.
Howard will probably always be better than Blake when you factor his defensive impact… you know, the way you actually win games in the playoffs?
Also you need to factor in that with Howard you’d be paying fair value for a Center and DJ would be traded… would you rather have Blake/DJ or Howard/David West, for instance.
In any event, it’s only a no brainer when it comes to talent. Blake means a lot to the Clips culturally.
A team needs to show some loyalty and some commitment, especially one with as sh:tty a history as the Clippers.
+1
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
A no brainer for the Lakers
but the Magic most likely not, it would be more like Gasol + Bynum for Howard and Turkoglu
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Well, Ill
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Jan 29, 2012 3:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
well...
I can’t believe we turned into that thing in which we hate. Jumped on the he because was wearing a Laker jersey. He made good points and spoke the truth. Are we overvaluing Blake in the immediate? I think most are.
Wisdom is more precious than intelligence by themselves. Were intelligence would demand that we let it be known that we are the smartest man in the room, wisdom would insist that we keep quiet about the whole matter and let our content stand on its own.
Blake for Howard in the moment is the good deal. Howard is just 26 right? And he is better than Blake currently.
How would Chris Paul handle trusting the Clippers if they made this deal? …….“Hey Dwight. We’re the champs!” That ring says a lot. We would have the best in the league at the two most important positions and they would only be 26. It’s a wiser gamble than that of sticking with Blake. It’s just that our hearts are too much in the way.
Blake for a resigned Dwight. +1
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Jan 29, 2012 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You act as if this is an immediate championship.
I agree, we would be contenders, but at the same time, there is no guaranteed championship as you say there is. LeBron+Wade+Bosh is a big THREE, we would have a big TWO, I’m not saying because 3>2 we stand no chance, but I’m saying that there is no guarantee in this game, even if you can make a team as strong as Miami on paper. Chris Paul has proven that he can play with a center like DeAndre. He showed us that in Tyson Chandler. Dwight is far better than DeAndre, but there is no guarantee they would fit perfectly. Just as many people claimed a CP3 BG pick n roll to be deadly, is that the case? Of course Dwight is a great player, but let’s say we DON’T win a championship? What happens then? Cp3 could easily call it quits in LA and Dwight would either leave or demand a trade if we signed him to a long contract. Then where are we? Well, we are back to square one but even worse. We were given everything to win and we didn’t. We are untrusted in the league and nobody wishes to join us anymore. I think that is a more likely scenario than winning multiple championships.
where is this fear of league distust coming from?
On the contrary, I see that move further shatters the poor Clippers reputation with the notion that they make moves to be a winner. Who doesn’t want to play for a winner ….in LA.
We are not depleting our team in this hypothetical trade. It’s even. That means we have Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Caron Butler, Chauncey Billups, Mo, Reggie etc. Examine that.
I have a hard time believing Howard would want to stay any less than Blake.
If you say we don’t make this move based on Blake’s potential, then be sure you can well that to Chris Paul. You need to be able to explain that one when it comes time to resign him.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Jan 29, 2012 6:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So you think that Chris Paul is complaining about having no Dwight?
I don’t believe that. If the Clippers lose in the playoffs, then that just shows them that they have work to do. If the Clippers lose with Dwight and CP3, that just proves that they can’t win together which would be more likely to lead to a division in the team. If LeBron, Wade, and Bosh don’t win in the next few years, do you expect them to stay together? Personally, I don’t believe so. On a team with multiple super stars, losing and losing just cuts down the time until there is some sort of meltdown explosion. I agree that Dwight for Griffin would help the team as of now, but the future can be greatly altered for the worse too. Like I said, there is no guarantee that they would win, and if they didn’t, it wouldn’t prove that the Clippers AREN’T a winning team and that they most likely won’t in the near future. On top of that, it proves that the Clippers aren’t loyal to their players. I suppose we have different views; I respect yours but I think mine is just as plausible. To me, this trade would be a pretty large gamble, and I’m happy with the team we have now.
Whats wrong with being a homer?
If you aren’t a homer you aren’t a true fan.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
If you were a homer, you would be the first comment on at least one of the 2 threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then again, I failed on both of them too… We shall keep going until one of us gets first post; then the victor shall feast like a king!
Funniest part
is that Blake could average 20-10 in the regular season.
Considering he averaged 22/12 in his rookie campaign, I really would be suprised to see him sub-20/10 this year. Kind of a silly mistake.
I Swear this gets more childish by the day...
No. We’re not trading someone who will eventually be better than Dwight Howard for Dwight Howard. Nor should people post that have very few grammar skills as the gentleman who posted this has demonstrated. And once again, everybody arguing with this “fan” is childish as heck. If you’re a real Clipper fan, hate should not be in your heart right now. We are on the edge of a glorious future and leaving behind a futile past. Let us not listen to those who annoy us, but to those who enjoy us. Cuz a hater gon hate, but a player still always gon win.
Jeremy Stearn- Keith Closs for Prez!
Blakes rookie numbers were ALREADY better than DH12
If you change out Assists for Blocks, his rookie numbers are ALREADY better.
Dwight has an unrefined offensive game. Blake definitely has many more moves.
Dwight should never been confused with Shaq. Shaq was a guy that you doulbe and triple team him, and he would still plow over people. Dwight is not that type of player.
Would I trade Tim Duncan in his Prime for Dwight in his Prime? NO also.
Would I trade Blake for 2002 Shaq? of Course. For 2002 Duncan? of Course.
LAL obivously started this thread to provoke people. It’s also incredibly lame that if we disagree with his opinion, then we are Homers or irrational. So it’s rational to Bully the hell out of Clips fans for several years? To make outrageous trade proposals? Trade Bynum AND Pau, then talk.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
By ALREADY better I meant ALREADY the same
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
?
Shaq, the best big man of his generation and duncan, arguably the best PF of all time. Is it still not enough to trade Griffin? Even Howard is still far from what those two players accomplished. then you talk about stats, is’nt it that K-love has a better stats than BG? yes, BG has all the potential in the world, but to dismiss two of the best players of all time is absurd.
by letsgolal on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I said I would trade NOT trade them for Dwight
Please read genius.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
Please understand your own comment..
Would I trade Blake for 2002 Shaq? of Course. For 2002 Duncan? of Course.
Are you really comparing Dwight to Shaq and Duncan?
Those are proven winners who can lead a team to victory. Yes, Dwight is a hall of famer, but Shaq and Duncan won it all, something Dwight has yet to do. It’s like saying, would you trade Paul for Showtime Johnson? Of course.
Would I trade Blake for 2002 Shaq? of Course. For 2002 Duncan? of Course
-comment by oasisman
Even Howard is still far from what those two players accomplished
-my comment
so you are replying to me or oasisman?
I am merely adding to his argument.
To be quite honest, I didn’t read his whole comment, but I stand by the my words. Howard is far from those players just like Blake is, but if someone has the potential to reach those players, Blake does while Howard doesn’t.
Dwight has already peaked.
Griffin’s ceiling has yet to be seen. For all we know, Griffin falls short of Dwight or he surpasses him and gets closer to those legends than Dwight did. We don’t know yet, but the fact is Griffin has more inside moves than Dwight and he actually brings an outside game to the table. Not to mention he can dribble the ball quite comfortably. Like I said, Dwight’s peak has already been seen. Just like Kevin Love’s has. Griffin on the other hand can either surpass these players or fall short of them. If he improves his defense and his jump shot gets more consistent, then you have yourself a near unguardable player.
Take this for example.
What would you reply if during Kobe’s 2nd year someone said that he could possibly rival Michael Jordan? Here as his stats:
LAL 79 1 26.0-MPG 0.428-FG% 0.341-3PT% 15.4-PPG. Frankly, I would have the same reaction you just had, I would be in total denial. But it is very rare for an NBA rookie/sophmore to come in and put up HUGE stats, and this is something Griffin has done. Just as Kobe’s ceiling was unseen at that point in his career, so is Griffin’s. The difference is, Griffin is one of those few NBA players who was able to come in and put up those stats. Just look at this comparison
Duncan: 21.1ppg, 11.9rpg, 2.7apg, 2.5bpg, .549%fg (39 minutes)
Griffin: 22.5ppg, 12.8rpg, 3.4apg, .65bpg, .525%fg (37 minutes)
Shaq: 23.4ppg, 13.9rpg, 1.9apg, 3.5bpg, .562%fg (38 minutes)
Is it me, or are those pretty similar rookie year stats?
I am not in argument of Griffin's potential
My argument is you belittle what Dwight Howard has done so far.
“Howard is far from those players just like Blake is, but if someone has the potential to reach those players, Blake does while Howard doesn’t.” -your comment
Howard is already a superstar and is a sure top 5 player, some (including me) could argue that he is the 2nd best player in the NBA. He does not need to improve (its scary if he has still another level), he is already proven and only winning championships is his obstacle to be in the same page as Shaq.
But, Griffin has to prove that he can dominate on both sides of the floor. He may or may not improve his defense. Offense is just 50% part of the Game.
Schrodinger's Cat
I don’t know how familiar you are with this, but my point is that you don’t know his potential. Griffin is not a top 5 player, and who knows, maybe he won’t be. But I would prefer to keep this young man who proved he was a star his rookie year rather than trade him away for someone we already know has reached his potential. Griffin’s rookie stats were a good amount better than Dwight’s; no, his defense isn’t all there, but many younger plays lack that early on. Griffin has revived this franchise and he is still growing; we don’t know what his potential is, but his rookie stats seem like a pretty good indicator to that.
I don't get how you thought oasisman was undervaluing 2 of the best players of all time.
He was saying that he would definitely trade Blake for them in their primes.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You are the absurd one.
KLove was never written about in my post. I said Blake’s Numbers are ALREADY as good as Dwight’s. Plus he’s on a rookie contract.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
His rebounding and point ones are
but his defense is nowhere close to Howard’s.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 30, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
His defense will never be close to Howard's.
Howard is an elite defender with the perfect wingspan needed to challenge most shots.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
i only seeing a few names that been long time members...
by LAClippers1983 on Jan 30, 2012 10:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Eh I know of one new person who has been lurking a ton but only decided to make an account because they finally had something fun to talk about.
Can someone be a bandwagon blogger but a longtime fans?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I am a noobie
I just started to blog myself, just couldnt believe the stuff what was said on here by other fans from other teams….
Go Clippers
Personal fondness aside
the right basketball move would be to trade Howard (with extension agreed upon) for Blake Griffin.
I think the Clips are pseudo-Contenders. They need to shore up the bench to be solid contenders, you can’t beat the Heat or Thunder in a 7 game series without home court with Foye and Gomes playing significant minutes.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
How is that the right basketball move?
Delayed gratification… Griffin will enter his prime soon, and I would MUCH rather see it happen in a Clipper uniform than in a Magic uniform. Just sayin’.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Because Howard is a better basketball player than Griffin now
and Griffin likely will never have the same impact Howard has. An in his prime Howard with an in his prime CP3 is more likely to win a title than an in his prime CP3 and an developing and going into his prime Griffin. Kind of wordy but yea that’s pretty much it.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't Alterated Beast Blake?
I’m lost.
DH12 is a better defensive player, Blake has more offenseive moves. It comes down to opinion. I always preferred scoring more and I thought Ben Wallace was WAY overrrated. If you’re a defense fan, I can understand DH12, he’s superior.
There’s always an issue with Unintended consequences. Blake’s departure would create a large hole at PF. Arguing opinons is stupid, so let’s both agree to disagree.
DH12 could not overcome the Lakers anyway in the NBA Finals.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
Bottom line:
Griffin and Dwight Light (aka DeAndre Jordan) > Dwight and no Griffin.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
the category to bade decisions on...
Is the players domination factor; How much do they dominate the game. That’s what tips the scales. Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Stockton, Malone, Olajuwon, etc. These are players who dominated with their games.
A player who dominates who significantly increases the chances of them being on a championship team (Malone+Stockton were thwarted by the most dominating player in NBA). Dwight Howard dominates the paint like no other. Chris Paul dominates the ball and tempo like no other. Blake currently only “dominates” the air. I like Blake’s game much mid than Dwight’s but Blake does dominate anything yet. He could. But in theory we are rejecting a very dominate sure thing for a very probable maybe.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Jan 30, 2012 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well that's different
if you are including DJ in the trade. Now if its Anderson and Howard for DJ and Griffin I’d still make the trade.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 30, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ditto
But I’m perfectly happy with where we are now too. This is like talking about trading your 6 carat diamond for a 6.2 carat diamond. At the end of the day, you’re still ridiculous.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Don't call em out dude
Not worth it.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
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