are you guys disappointed with Blakes slow start?
by timkempton on Jan 28, 2012 8:07 PM PST
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PrintBlake "Mad Dog" is one of my favorite players in the entire NBA and I thought he would be in contention for MVP this year.
But seems like his stats from PTs, REBs dropped across the board vs last and his FT shooting is now Dwight Howard like. His blks is horrible and 2 pgs out block him now.
W CP3 and the so called "lob city", i thought he would've upped his game and got around 25 its, 13 boards, 75% ft shooting by now. His jumpers doesn't seem to have improved.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the Mad Dog but sad to see guys like Kevin Love improving while Black regressing
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"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
I think Blake "Big Bear" Griffin is doing fine.
Gotta remember that the Clippers gained better players which means that there is no need for Blake to go 25 pts a game. Especially now that the league has seen him and play and is going to focus their defense on him. Kevin Love is a very good player on a bad team so of course his stats are going to be higher.
In my opinion, Big Bear is off to a good start. Once his jumpshot starts falling and he his FT% gets to a respectable 70%, his stats will only get better.
It's only his second year.
He took the league by surprise last season, now teams are more prepared, doubling him, forcing him to make tougher decisions, and he’s still putting up great numbers nonetheless. He will get better as the season progresses (like last year) and i expect him to improve his jumpers and FTs. He has the potential to be an all time great. Patience, my friend.
Not disappointed at all
I expected that his stats will not be better than last year for the following reasons:
1 – CP3, Billups, and Butler will take some of the scoring load
2 – Winning means reduced minutes because VDN likes to keep starters on bench
3 – More teams will double team Blake
Regardless of stats, I see improvement in his game except for FTs. Blake really needs to work on his defense to become a complete player. He should set his goal to make the all-defensive team.
VDN should also play BG 40+minutes every game except for blowouts. BG is young and can handle the extra minutes (even KLove plays 40 mins). Getting him more minutes will mean he’s going to get better that much faster.
No, it's the Clip Show!
No need to put the extra miles on him
Players get better in practice and the offseason. Blake did. His jumper is better. He’s rebounding well.
I’m not disappointed one bit.
Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)
Pretty disappointed tbh.
I was hoping he’d make significant progress on his J, and I’m pissed at his free throw shooting. I also expected him to put in more effort on D.
Chris Paul is the fella I’m more concerned with. Had hoped he would be healthy and more consistent. Also would like to see him take over a bit more than defer. The Clippers are gonna go as far as Paul will call them.
I agree... CP3 needs to be 20/10 guy consistently
because that’s who we traded for. Forget the fancy lobs and being unselfish. Stay aggressive. We have enough scorers to create for themselves when needed.
No, it's the Clip Show!
Line:
21.3 pts, 11.20 reb, 3.1 asts. Ranks 6th in NBA in Pts/Reb/Asts category
1 LeBron James
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Kevin Love
4 Dwight Howard
5 Kevin Durant
6 Blake Griffin
PLEASE! NO MORE POSTS LIKE THIS!!!
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
His stats were better last year because he carried the team.
Last year, the Clippers scoring mainly came from Baron (at some point Williams) and Gordon. Both were out for pretty large chunks, and Griffin capitalized on those days by really picking up the team. Now, the Clippers have Butler/Billups/CP3/Williams. Yes, Griffin scores a lot, but now they have shooters to surround him. If he can attract more attention, why not find the open man?
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his stats might go down this year as he is much less needed on offense. With Billups, CP3, and Butler all acting as a large parts of the offense there isn’t as many shooting opportunities left for BG. Last year essentially the offense was all EJ and Blake and if either one of them had an off night we lost. But now we have a more balanced offense so Blake doesn’t have to force things, and I am sure Blake is totally fine losing a point off his average if it means we are winning games.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
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"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Jan 28, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
That
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
by ClipperBEAST on Jan 28, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
hey guys
i love the clippers too
but we need to be objective
as of today (i know, not ton of games) BUT blake’s states is clearly WORSE than what they were last year
you guys actually feel his stats are better this year?
The Clippers are off to their best start in years.
Why would we be disappointed in Blake “don’t call me Mad Dog” Griffin for that? The TEAM is better thus Blake doesn’t need to carry the entire load anymore. Again, our record is the best in years. End. Of. Story.
This
stats aren’t everything, the ultimate goal is to win games and Blake is doing what is needed to win games. I don’t want him to force things or overexert himself because it is going to be a long season, and it won’t just be a regular season but a post season as well.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
fine, no more Mad Dog
I will call him the “Raging Bull” from now on.
How about no more nicknames
hell his last name is freaking mythological creature. Does he really need something added onto it.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
How about you call him "Blake Griffin"?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Wish there was a dislike option after a person's post!!!!
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by Clipperoo on Jan 28, 2012 11:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wish this was reddit I could downvote the post
but upvote some of the comments.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Here is an answer to why his stats are lower.
Okay, no matter what you say, you can’t argue that this team has more scorers than last year. They have CP3, Butler, Billups, and Williams to help him out on the scoring. Last year, he played with Davis (Williams after trade)/ Gordon, both of them were also out for a substantial amount of games. When you are surrounded by shooters and offensive play makers, you will obviously be looked on less to make buckets. Just as when you have less shooters or offensive threats, you will be looked at to make more shots. Take 05 – 06 Kobe for example. He had an atrocious team and he averaged 35 points a game; as his teammates began to become stronger, his stats dropped. He went from 35, to 31, to 28, to 26 etc. Now, his team is under performing and he needs to take more shuts, thus his rise to 30 PPG. You fail to take into consideration that Griffin is merely not needed to score as much as he did last year, and this has resulted in what you claim is a disappointment, when in fact, it is actually his team becoming better.
but...
- Butler has missed many games so really we didn’t gain that many more scorers when you take that into account. We lost EG who shot a lot.
- If what you say is true, he should be more efficient and have MORE assists than before. He has less now.
- Chris Paul is a very efficient pass first point guard. He should be able to get Blake more easy buckets. Also, with more weapons on the team as you say, his FG% should go up which it did not.
- His defensive #s have not improved
- His outside shot % is now around 20ish %. I have this data that I read in another article which I will find and post later
- His FT% is horrible. 50%.
So its not just the raw #s I am concerned with but the %s and efficiency.
I am a big Blake (Raging Bull) fan so don’t get me wrong. This isn’t bashing by any means but I think he can be an all time great but I don’t see any improvement in his game this yr vs last and if anything, he regressed thus far
Wow, sorry if I sound rude but
Do you even watch the Clippers… like, at all?
1) Butler has missed one game, not many.
2) Griffin should have more assists? How would he have more assists than on a team with CP3? Last year he had Davis and Williams, both of whom are score first PGs. And also, let’s say he does pass more, who’s to say that the ball isn’t rotated to another open man? If you watched the Clippers, Billups/Butler tend to throw up shots without even getting the ball to Griffin.
3) Chris Paul hasn’t exactly gelled with Griffin. Honestly, Griffin makes most of his own plays at this point. The all powerful pick-n-role is simply not there at the moment. Also, his FG% isn’t up because he takes more jumpers. Last year, he would only drive while this year, he has come in shooting more than before. You don’t expect him to come in a great shooter, so you have to be patient with his shooting, but it has not exactly “disappointed”.
4) Defense really has nothing to do with it. He is not a strong defender and I didn’t expect him to become a great one over summer, I hoped he would, but I didn’t expect a huge growth.
5) I would rather have Griffin driving than shooting, but if you ever played basketball, you will know that this simply isn’t possible. If you notice, he makes more of his shots earlier in the game when he still has more spring to his jump, he starts missing when he is fatigued. Also 20% seems a tad low, so I would like to see a valid source. Honestly, I would rather see him improve his shooting rather than not shooting at all. His judgement maybe needs to be a little better, but there is no point in adding to his drive when it is already dangerous as is.
6) Yeah, I completely agree with this one. this is one factor that I am just disappointed with, because his FT% should be going up not down. Not much to say about this one, this is the only thing that I am just baffled with.
And I have been questioned before if I was a Blake Griffin fan for pointing things out. But the things I were pointing out were his attitude (which I honestly believe have become noticeably worse). I don’t want to question a Clippers fan, but the fact that you are solely going off of stats makes me wonder if you actually watch Clipper Games. I would advise you to turn on the channel once or twice to see that you are wrong about his game being disappointing. Also, if you expect his stats to merely jump up out of nowhere, that usually doesn’t happen, especially when they were stellar to begin with. Honestly, if you were such a big fan, you wouldn’t make up such terrible nicknames nor would you call him out for his performances.
regarding his free throw woes...
it almost seems its more of a mental thing….he seems to be losing confidence due in part to the added pressure.that is leading to him developing a twitch in some of his free throws….
when a player shoots a jump shot, they dont really have time to think ….when a player shoots a free throw they have lots of time to think….he just needs to loosen up a little and relax
by nauticazn25 on Jan 29, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
He actually seems to be getting better with the jump shot
I don’t have stats to back it up so I won’t make them up, but it does seem like he is taking the shot with more confidence and as a result making them more often (especially when he shoots immediately after getting the ball and doesn’t pause). As for the FT’s it is probably a mix between mental and physical. He has some serious issues with his form as he tries to shoot coming down which means he uses only his arm strength to shoot the ball, however you can tell he is working on it because when he makes the FT you can see he is shooting it on the way up and puts more arc on the ball. You can almost tell when he is going to make the shot a 1/4 second after he releases it.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
His shot is getting better.
Although he misses a large amount, he is also making a good amount of them. Last year if he were to take this shot, he would be completely off and we would wonder why he shot it? Now, we know he is trying to prove something and improve his shot. I think his shot selection is a little shaky, but it’s not terrible
That's what I always thought.
He was fine before when there was little to no pressure on him because his team was worse. But now he seems extremely hesitant and a little shaken when he goes up to the line. His form isn’t consistent and that shows me that he isn’t relaxed.
hey internet tough guy
i hope you will make it to the Clipnation event as my 6"4 225 40+ year old ass is gonna whoop you upside your head for speaking this way to a fellow Clipper fan. i got my tickets and I will look for you at the event.
come'on
first, you write nonsensical posts than when you get checked by an ACTUAL Clipper fan, you threaten with violence? You sound more like a Laker fan! GTFO with your bull.
PS. NO, i’m not disappointed in Griffin’s numbers! We’re first place…that’s ALL that matters!
by shaunliv on Jan 29, 2012 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
40+?
I gather from your posts that you can’t even drive yet.
by Polish Rifle on Jan 29, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
So you are going to beat up a minor?
That’s cool. If you were even to take a swing at me, I’m sure you would be kicked out instantly. You honestly sound like a Laker troll on the ESPN boards. You turn to violence when I put up a solid argument; honestly, where did I offend you? By asking you if you watched the Clippers? I jumped to that conclusion because you said that Butler has been out for many games. Either than that, I honestly don’t see how I could have offended you. I questioned if you are really a Griffin fan because you seem to question his whole game. Like I said, I was questioned if I was a real Griffin fan too by a fellow member, you don’t see me telling him I want to kick his ass. But honestly, you are calling ME the internet tough guy? You just threatened to fight me through the internet. I never attempted to instigate violence, but I’m sorry, I would imagine a 40+ year old would be able to hand his emotions and not get all upset in a debate. You aren’t cut out to debate, so I don’t believe I will continue to argue.
Also
“Speaking this way to a fellow Clipper fan”
A debate is a debate whether you like it or not, I often show respect to those who deserve respect, especially on Clipsnation. Where have you showed that you deserve my respect? I don’t care if you are 40 and I am 17, doesn’t automatically mean I should show you respect, especially when you are 23 years older than me and you challenge me to a fight.
That may be true SurfinQ00
But you have to admit you are condescending and contentious toward others who do not show the same views as you. I’ve seen you here and on the ESPN boards, you constantly argue and put down others who disagree with you.
Although I don’t agree with what timkempton is saying, you are setting yourself up for an asswhopping. If you are a minor, then learn to show some respect toward others, especially those who are OLDER than you, regardless of their views.
Just my two cents.
I agree that I tend to side with my views.
But at the same time, that’s because I always backup what I said. When someone changes my mind (boltsfan has done that in the past) then I show them respect. Honestly, on the ESPN boards, those people have little logic in their argument, and the fact is, when they laugh and merely say that my argument has no validity, I expect them to put up a counterargument which disproves mine. Like I said, I got into debates with numerous people, and I believe that boltsfan was one of the few people who actually debated back rather than merely brushing off my argument. If you notice, I get in arguments with Laker fans often because they are crazy in their ideas, and please show me, which of my arguments do you think that I am completely wrong with no validity. I’m merely saying that in a debate with me, you better backup what you say, because I don’t like people who beat around the bush. And I’m setting myself for an asswhooping? I’m a 17 year old who isn’t afraid to stand up for what I believe in, I am smart enough to know which battles to pick. I’m not going to go around and call out people violence, I have been brought up with the idea that violence is not the answer, so I allow my words to defend me. Finally, I show respect towards others who deserve. Initially, I have respect towards many, unless they prove to me they don’t deserve respect. In this case, I didn’t want to sound rude, but I called him out on something because I saw that he made a claim with no validity. True, I could have possibly been nicer, but I didn’t go out and call him and idiot. He said several things that I knew he couldn’t back up so I pointed them out. If he doesn’t really appreciate Blake’s performances, then that means he isn’t a great fan. I see numerous places he needs to work on, but I don’t call out his whole game in general. At the end of the day, I’m not going to show respect towards someone who doesn’t deserve it. This man is calling out a minor and offering to whoop his ass, does that sound like he deserves respect? To me, it doesn’t. Sorry for the long post, but yet again, I’m going to stand by what I believe until others prove me wrong. Tell me, should I show respect to someone who doesn’t deserve it? Trust me, I know how important of a factor age is, but I don’t agree with it. As a 17 year old, I am always looked at by adults as if I’m out to do something wrong when I have no intentions of mischief.
You missed my point
I don’t agree with what timkempton is saying either. But you are CONDESCENDING and CONTENTIOUS when you argue. I’m just calling it as I see it.
Saying something along the lines of “I would advise you to…” is condescending, especially when you consider that the man you are speaking to much older than you are.
To be more frank, let me put it this way...
If I have a son, and he said something along the lines of “I would advise you to..” I will stop him right there, and advise him to go to into my closet and grab my belt.
I don't know what else to say concerning this.
I do agree that I can be condescending and contentious, but at the same time, I think I pose a valid argument which he is not seeing. I apologize to those who are offended by the way I debate, but I’m not going to beat around the bush or agree to things that I don’t believe in. Yes, I am younger than him, but if you tell me for a second that he is more mature and deserving of respect, I don’t agree with that. He called out a minor, and if ANY adult did that, I wouldn’t have respect for him. You seem to believe age is a huge factor, I don’t. That is where we differ. I do believe I should have respect for elders, but I’m not going to put up false respect for someone who doesn’t deserve it.
Ok,...
Let me ask you this, if you have a younger sibling.. and he tells you something along the lines of “I would advise you to…”, how would you feel?
The point is you disrespected him by talking him down with your counter arguments.
Let's put siblings aside.
I am obviously not going to show respect to a little brother or sister. But several of my friends are younger than me (by 2 or 3 years) yet they are some of the most mature kids, deserving of respect. If they advised me to do something, then I would take it into consideration if they put up a valid argument. Let’s take my schoolwork for example. In my physics class, there is a kid younger than I am, but he is also smarter than me. When he gives me suggestions, I take them into consideration because I have respect for him and his work ethic. Finally, I took him down with my counter arguments? I’m not going to soften my arguments for anyone; just as there are numerous rhetorical strategies to use in one’s writing, there are numerous strategies to use in debate. I pointed out his flaws and emphasized them, that was my strategy, emphasis on his weak points. He is a 40 year old man and he feels the need to threaten a 17 year old kid; I would think if he is so mature and deserving of respect, he wouldn’t be hurt by a minor’s words.
But...
A minor shouldn’t be speaking that way to an elder in the first place.
You just don’t get it, do you?
You just don't get my point, do you?
Initially, I see that age is a something to consider. Yet again, let me say it, you have to DESERVE respect. Let me tell you something that happened to me a while back. At the park, I was merely playing basketball with my friends. We are all valedictorians which in our school means we have a 4.0 GPA or above; as the park soon became more and more crowded, there was some sort of confrontation which occurred. Immediately, we were questioned as to what we have done, and we replied, nothing, we were merely playing basketball. Soon enough, we were pressured into leaving the courts by some older people because they had children and they believed we were the culprits of some mischief. Did we do anything to deserve this? No, we were merely teenagers at the wrong place at the wrong time. So the point of my story is, to me, I don’t take age into a huge consideration when I know someone’s personality. Initially, I may take it into consideration, but when his or her true colors are shown, I take THAT into account. Going back in time, I probably shouldn’t have been condescending, and for that I apologize. But now that I know he is willing to fight a minor, I am not nearly as inclined to show him respect. I am often if not always like that in my arguments, and I don’t plan to change, that is a personal flaw of mine, but if you are telling me for one second that I am wrong to not show this man respect, then you can stop your argument right there.
Also, you should know what to expect during a debate.
You tell me that a minor shouldn’t be speaking that way to an elder. I honestly did not know he was my elder until he threatened to kick my ass. He gave Griffin absurd nicknames, and for that, I did not think he was 40+. Honestly, if he didn’t tell me his age, I would believe that he was around 18. Like if his comment said: “hey internet tough guy
i hope you will make it to the Clipnation event as my 6”4 225 body will whoop you upside your head for speaking this way to a fellow Clipper fan. i got my tickets and I will look for you at the event." You tell me, how old would you believe him to be if he didn’t tell you? If you believe it is 20+, I would like to know why aside from the fact that he posted about Danny Manning.
Thanks Rob
Don’t worry about it. Everything will all work out. Come to the Clipsnations event if you can. There will be a nice side show aside from the Clipper cheerleaders.
just make sure you show up to the Clipnation event boy
“everyone has a plan until after they get socked in the mouth”…. Mike Tyson
Ha! Calling me boy?
I’m not going to the event because I don’t have the money to buy a ticker nor do I have the money for gas. If you really think violence is the answer, wait until you are in jail for assaulting a minor. You think just because your genetic makeup allows you to be larger than someone else you are far superior? If American history has taught us anything it is that everybody is equal until you proven to be more or less of a man. Oh wait, I’m sorry, Mike Tyson has said otherwise. You know the extremely credible Mike Tyson who people respect so much. And who are those who stood up for non violence? Psh. Just Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. You’re right, I should followed Mike Tyson’s lifestyle, he has been so successful and there is just SO much respect for him.
seriously?
if you are 40+ then you shouldn’t spend your time threatening people online to seem tough. You randomly wrote numbers with no source, and there is already some animosity towards you for your frequent misspellings of Griffin and Gordon, and your tendency for terrible nicknames.
Surfin responded validly to every point that you made, and, instead of returning with basketball talk, you claim to be very tall and wide and threaten him. OK Buddy.
I don't know if I am allowed to post links here, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR6jRCVtiU
That is essentially what he is offering to do. Look what happened, this dudes life is forever changed because of one incident in which he lost his head.
if every debate ended with
Whoever can beat the other guy up is right, would make for some quick arguments though. Maybe we wouldn’t have to suffer though like 40 republican debates, lol. I’d put my money on Gingrich.
i'm disappointed by his free throws
but if a slow start by Blake means a better start for the Clippers…i’m all good. Blake will get in his groove and get his
is better than 1-13 that’s all i have to say
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I was just going to mention the record as well
Clippers are winning (finally). Why are we complaining?
by yaggiefresh on Jan 29, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Wow slow start what slow start!
I guess you can’t make everybody happy all the time. We are in first place in
front of the Lakers and thats all that count for now.
Between this post and the won by golal I don't know which is worse
I guess this is what happens when you are good you start to attract people who normally wouldn’t care.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
Clippers are in First
Lakers in SECOND…… I said in Second
Lakers got beat by the BUCKS…… thanks for showing up guys…LOL
And who knows what is going to happen tonight against the TWolves….
Go Clippers
I am, TBH
Blake is still great and he def. is facing tougher defenses this year now his game has been mapped out but, honestly, he looks like the same player he was last year.
His jumper doesn’t appear to be any better, his defense certainly isn’t and it’s disappointing that he and CP3 haven’t been able to figure out an effective Pick and Roll.
To some extent he is a victim of his own excellence and the media hype due to the spectacular nature of his game but, to be a true great (top 5 player), you need to expand your game every offseason and I see none of that from Blake this year…
(on his jumper) Did you not watch his last game VS the Lakers?
Dude was shooting out of his mind but mostly in CONTROL. He was hitting open 16 footers, spinning floaters and fall aways. When his shot is on like that, he’s unguardable! It’s gonna take some time, but I already feel more comfortable with him shooting than at ANY point last year.
The thing that frustrates me the most is the fact that he doesn’t bounce the ball at all whe he shoots his freethrows. I don’t think he realizes the benefit of bouncing the ball to lossen his wrist or just gaining rhythm before the shot. Just bounce the damn ball Blake…PLEASE!!!
actually don't mind this post.
His FT are tough to watch, his defense can improve, and we are spoiled by last year’s month to month improvement. frankly I expected a better FT percentage given his legendary work ethic. However, I believe it has to do with the lack of practice time between games and the lack of proper rest. BG is a high energy player and this year’s schedule is tough, although the clips haven’t played as many games as others. also, new teammates with new roles with minimal training camp can’t help.
by KeithClossrules on Jan 29, 2012 4:49 PM PST reply actions
Disappointed no
not overall anyways. Disappointed in his FT shooting since it looked like he turned the corner towards the end last year so was expecting something around the 65% or better. His defense hasn’t improved much either. But more or less I though he’d average about 23 points, 12 rebounds so he’s only off primarily because of the FT issues.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
He's been trying to go for more blocks at least.
I think Mike was saying something about how he already had 11 blocks going into last night’s game, but he only had like 45 all of last season. He may have realized from watching DJ that getting a crazy block ignites the crowd as much as a dunk. Shocker…
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Why did I just see two people arguing on a blog/forum?
Y’all are childish. Like damn dude. Cmon.
And BG needs to work more on his face up game and less on his KIA commercials. Right now I’d rather see that than his atrocious looking crossover.
Jeremy Stearn- Keith Closs for Prez!
WHO IS TIMKEMPTON?
GO BACK TO THE LAKERS FORUM, TROLL
Donald heckled ME!!!
by DonaldSterlingSucks on Jan 30, 2012 3:44 PM PST reply actions
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