In Case You Hadn't Noticed...
by John Raffo on Jan 5, 2012 10:19 AM PST
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Things are very different in Clipperland these days.
On Tuesday the Clipper's front office brought in a center, one Solomon Jones. A guy who's been around a couple of years but I can't actually recall ever having seen play. The Clipper brain trust, recognizing their need for a back up center apparently looked at a few big guys (some of whom we were more familiar with) and they chose one... Jones. He even made a brief appearance in gabage time of the Rockets game last night.
Now, some of us were hoping for a larger, flashier acquisition, perhaps the obviously reticent, reportedly retired, Joel Pryzbilla... and maybe that will still happen, but I'm happy they signed Solomon Jones. Maybe he'll be okay. Maybe, with Reggie Evans joining the lineup (any minute now) we won't have to suffer through too many more nights of the affable but inadequate Brian Cook pretending to be a center. Maybe it was a good move. I hope so.
But if that's all we're thinking we're missing the really big news... the really really really BIG news....
Another thing happened the other night that was buried in that same Brad Turner article announcing Jones' signing. Turner said this, "The Clippers also still have interest in Antonio McDyess, even though he retired in December after 16 years in the NBA." Now I thought enough of the quote to add it to the fanshot on the front page. I thought, wouldn't it be amazing if the Clippers got Antonio McDyess? Sixteen years after they drafted him he finally plays for the Clips? Wouldn't that be great?! And I mentioned that in the thread. And I more or less justifiably, got shot down... "McDyess is happy in retirement, why wouldn't he go back to San Antonio (who waived him), etc." But that argument isn't important. What is important is this: That signing McDyess could actually happen. I don't mean it's likely to happen, I mean, for the first time ever that it's not a ridiculous fantasy. The Clippers are not the NBA backwater they once were.
The front office is working hard through the start of the season and seems to be getting results. Now obviously some of this is because there wasn't really much of an off-season or a free-agent signing period but Neil Olshey and his staff seem genuinely interested in spending every nickel they have and building a team... even if the tippy top of Donald Sterling's hed is brushing the floor of the luxury tax.
The McDyess situation (if there even is one) is also supremely illustrative of the magnetic power of the super-cool guys that are now on the Clipper roster. Suddenly the LA Clippers are voluptuous and sexy, curvacious and pheremonally-able enough to attract some serious NBA beef to our locker room. Okay, forgive the sweaty analogy, but all the talk about how players didn't want to play here, about how Sterling would never pay, all that stuff? It's suddenly gone. Gone.
And now, everytime a player looks like he's gonna come loose from some other team, it's not just the Knicks or the Heat or the Lakers who might seem an attractive destination... the Clips get thrown into the mix as well. It is no longer ridiculous to think that someone like Antonio McDyess, might, if he should play for anyone, agree to play for the Clippers.
David Aldridge, speaking on the Kornheiser radio show the other day (lamenting the performance of the Washington Wizards) said, "This is a different NBA, you've got to go for it when you have the opportunity, the Clippers get it."
In case you hadn't noticed... things are very different in Clipperland these days.
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Great post Mr. Raffo
Brave New World
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
EXCELLENT
post. a real change in culture out here
Antonio McDyess would be a great addition no doubt.
After the first couple of nights hearing that baby scream so loud i think he
might gives us a call.
Agreed - he'll be begging to play in 2 weeks
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
According to Barkley (during his appearance on The Daily Show)
After three months of retirement you get sick of it.
710AM this morning was pretty much 100% Clippers talk
We need Bill Walton back: "Where would the LA Clippers franchise be without Sean Rooks? Bo Outlaw might be the best pick up of the off season.
THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
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thanks I'm listening to the podcast now!
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by ThaFoX on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Come one Raffo
You made it sound like you were going to break a big news story. However, it’s more speculation Not that speculating isn’t cool, but still.
After the latest Marc Spears article regarding Gordon/Kaman, I wouldn’t say everything is hunky dory. Perceptions are hard to shake. Still, it’s probably a top 10 destination now.
"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum
You mean where EJ whines about how jealous he is of Blake's stardom...
and Chris Kaman blames the Clippers for his own agent’s incompetence? LOL. Every relevant franchise has to deal with drama like that. Look no further than Lamar throwing a fit over feeling like he was “betrayed” by the Lakers.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Well...
I can see how EJ feels overshadowed. He played 3 years for the Clips (Blake just 1) and 95% of the attention was being spent on BG (and EJ as his sidekick). Not to mention those gawd-awful ads DTS bought months ago declaring both guys will be here for their entire careers. That was incredibly cheesy.
Kaman’s agent was probably on the phone with the Clippers to get the details. Kaman should be happy though, he made a reported 1.6 million more because of a trade kicker in his contract. Also he’ll probably get flipped to a good team later and get more PT/shots on the Hornets than being in a time share with DJ (and to a lesser extent BG).
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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Actually what I like more
Is that the article came out, and aside from a clone-article at CBS.com, there haven’t so far been any opinion pieces regarding the matter. While some parts of the media are still trying to promote the old Clipper image, the opinion writers (who often paint themselves as representatives of the public) don’t seem to think that it’s worth writing about. Hopefully it stays that way ;)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The price of success?
So Eric Gordon complained to a reporter? Didn’t we know that was coming? He’s disappointed because he went from a team with a future to a team that is a bunch of players. I’d be upset too. I’m sorry Gordon’s gone, but… I don’t feel sorry for him. And Kaman lobs a bomb about professionalism? Was he treated poorly in Clipperland? He made 12 million bucks here. Boo hoo.
Was the title of the article misleading? Wasn’t my intention. For me, the Clippers are a slow-moving, heavily emotional journey. A few days ago, I watched a bunch of fans argue heatedly about the potential acquisition of DeMarcus Cousins. A player I thought the Clippers didn’t need and probably don’t want. And I realize that last year, or any year before now, we wouldn’t even be having the argument. That’s news!
Kaman made alot more than $12M here, no?
And I generally agree. it’s ok that players are upset that they get traded away from the Clips. Btw when has that ever happened before?
Reporters need to write stories. Apparently they found one. Doesn’t mean it’s worth reading.
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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Yes... I wrote that this morning pre-coffee
I wrote 60 million, then changed it to 12M last year only I left out the last year part. Both players (guys we like, right?) reacted bitterly when leaving. It’s not necessarily a bad thing.
Good point
if they broke into a flash mob at the news of being traded it would definitely be a bad sign.
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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Recipe for success
Stay near the bottom for a few years, draft a few attractive assets plus one dazzling superstar, showcase assets until a fortuitous trade rolls around, couple young and underpaid superstar with expensive in-his-prime superstar, manage enough cap space to sign another wily veteran or two, and BOOM, you’re on the map!
Donald is just an arrogant and self absorbed businessman. He wants value for his buck, regardless of his reputation. He wants this value, even if it means ruining his reputation. Looking at the big picture, 30 years in the making, he could have made this a lot easier for himself, but now at last he has his box office smash. At bottom, then, there’s not much new going on here. As long as attendance is up, I do not expect him to spend extra at the trade deadline. He was never really a tightwad, he was always willing to make the right investment, but I still don’t think his priority is winning. He will need to be convinced of the financial incentive.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
I don't know about that...
I think he’s smart enough to realize that in order to KEEP that attendance up, the team has to keep winning. If it means eking into luxury tax territory, so be it.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
He will need to be convinced of that
He’s an old dog.
"i know huh........freakin clippers man.....its like a wild ride rooting for this team....gotta love em....(sometimes) lol" In GrIfFin We TrUsT
...who doesn't know anything about basketball.
I agree it’d take a little buttering up. Not a whole lot, though.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The new luxury tax is a new reality...
Mark Cuban says the new luxury tax changes everything. That NO ONE will be able to go very high at all without crushing their very-limited profit potential. Is that just smoke? I don’t think so.
I think, right now, the only two teams who might be able to go deep into the new lux tax (2013-14) will be the Knicks and possibly the Lakers… and only because of their media resources.
To my mind, If Cuban’s not going high, neither is Sterling. So you’ll have your two or three big pieces (for the Clips Griffin/CP/Jordan) and then you bring in other pieces year by year. Things will change radically once Griffin moves to the max and Paul goes from 16M to 20M.
I know it’s crazy, but with the Clips salary structure what it is right now, the Clips have a two year window to put together a deep, relatively cheap team. DTS and the front office have to look at this situation and say, “Do we have enough to win it all THIS year or NEXT?” Because if you do, you have to shoot for it now.
The good news is that they seem to realize that.
+1
Of course since the Clips are in a large market, they could take advantage of the current situation and up their media deal too.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Precisely.
But the new tax is soooo expensive. It’s a hard cap for everyone but a very few. But it comes with a lot of unknowns. Will the lux tax money actually trickle down to the have-nots? Stern has said that there’s a cap of 50M that will be shared. If there’s more, what happens to the rest?
I should tell Stern about my student loans
Maybe he’ll feel sympathetic and toss me a bone. “C’mon man, what’s $80k out or $50,000,000? I’ll do your laundry for a week too.”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Hey, don't discount my liver
It’s working very hard for me right now. It deserves a good strong drink.
Ouch 80k?
Which private school do you go to?
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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Did.
Pretty sure Erik O’s out in the professional world these days. And if eighty grand is the whole number (it’s probably not), that’s not really too bad is it?
Spoken by a guy with a kid in high school. There’s a reason I USED to be a STO.
It's the whole number
Scholarships are the bomb diggity. LMU doesn’t really give out much financial aid unfortunately.
But honestly, if your kid is the type to stay on top of stuff, it’s worth it to spend 2 years in community college doing the stupid core classes (history 101, micro and macro econ, art, etc.) instead of spending all that money for a 4 year university to have a supremely overqualified professor teach a dumbed down level 1 class. I have a lot of friends who tried that route, but they weren’t proactive about the things they needed to be proactive about, mainly getting classes. To succeed in a CC (where I spent my summers to make up for lost units when I transferred), you have to not only be on the ball with registering for classes, but when you don’t get into all the classes you want, you have to crash the classes and just attend anyway. Most profs will let you pull up an extra seat if you give them puppy dog eyes. Anyway, CC can definitely be a trap, but only for people who aren’t on the ball. Otherwise it’s just a great way to save money.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
For undergrad?
80k is pretty sizeable, I only owed 7k coming out of a UC and paid it off the first year.
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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
long live Europe
I is definitely cheaper here
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
my english and typing skill are quite bad
for the moment
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Private vs Public
That’s the difference right there. Same education for MUCH MUCH MORE MONEY!
Actually I had problems at SDSU because the class sizes allowed me too much freedom to be lazy and not participate. I have no self control, so I needed small classes. Since I got a nice stable white collar job that pays me well enough to pay down this debt pretty quickly, I feel like it was worth it. But i have a lot of co-workers from UCs, so they get the last laugh.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LMU alum
But I spent my first year at SDSU and got scholarships and stuff to minimize the damage. LMU was $40k per by the time I got there (including room & board) :(
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
My daughter (High School Senior)
was just accepted to LMU as one of her early decision choices.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
Does that mean she'll live at home?
I mean if she chooses to go there?
Do you want her to go there?
Do you even get a vote?
Now that you know Erik went there… how exactly does that influence your decision?
Haha
Now that you know Erik went there… how exactly does that influence your decision?
Are you implying the value of a degree from LMU just went down 50%?
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by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I am a stand up citizen!
Actually LMU is great because of the class sizes. Really, really excellent Accounting and Engineering programs, as well as their acting/drama programs. Probably one of the most beautiful campuses with a fantastic location. And now the basketball program seems like it’s less of a joke than when I was there.
Plus she’ll be able to enjoy the ridiculous library that MY tuition increased 5%-10% a year to pay for. I still go back to campus a lot for firm recruiting events just to enjoy it. There’s a freaking fireplace in one lounge area, just for reading enjoyment.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I loved LMU, even though I was a day student and never lived there.
This is cause I was a junior transfer student so I lived in Westwood for a year then moved a little more east the next 5 years (undergrad and grad at LMU). Great school, small classes, beautiful campus, a good mix of students. Go Lions!
She would not live at home
even though I live about 20 minutes from the place. I am more inclined to her going there knowing he is gone. Although as Eric stated above, she received much better scholarship money from SMU and TCU if she goes to Texas. We are waiting for other schools also- Vanderbilt and USC,UCSD before deciding.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
UCSD is a great school if she's the science type
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wait a minute
“I am more inclined to her going there knowing he is gone.”
:(
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
in Belgium you just choose the university you want
no requirements at all (sauf for a high school degree)
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting little college funding chat
Happens to be a zhiv area of expertise—as in how to spend ridiculous amounts of money sending kids to school, after being relatively thrifty with my own lengthy and unresolved, complex educational process.
this will also apply to our concurrents
my guess: teams that went deep into the lux tax to get depth behind a superstar like the Lakers the past few years and the Mavs under Cuban won’t feasible. Bird rights are going to worth a lot less.
It will be interesting to see what this does to a team like Miami.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
plus we don't have any really bad contracts for the moment
so with some sound management and the right vets we should be fine.
It is also the reason I would keep Bledsoe around for the next 2 years. You can’t go wrong on rookie deals.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Our "concurrents"...
Hmm… it’s a good word, but I’m not sure of the reference. Is that our current players under contract?
sorry the word has a different meaning in dutch
rivals or competitors is what I mean
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
mean=ment
pffff… frustrating
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Ah! I misunderstood.
But my dictionary tells me “concurrent” is a synonym for “contemporary”… so your usage makes perfect sense. My bad.
it is just one of those words that sound english
but means something completely different.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Keeping everyone at or below the luxury tax line is a nice bonus for the Clips.
Since DTS will never go above that line, the new tax has brought everyone down to our (cheap) level. Muahaha.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Our advantages in a somewhat level playing field
are still LA, Blake and CP3. The NBA middle class will continued to get squeezed and hopefully key complimentary pieces like Caron will sign for $4M a season rather than $8M a season. Will also mean guys like Cookie will be in rotations but I guess that’s the new reality.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
A strange thing starts happening to this kind of businessman when they reach his age, though
They start thinking about their legacy. It’s all about squeezing out every last nickel for the first 70 years and then, boom, all of a sudden they realize the end is near and they start thinking about how they’re going to be remembered. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Sterling’s ego is now telling him he needs an NBA Championship for this very reason.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
Good point bolts
Plus, a talent like Blake Griffin is liable to excite even the most jaded basketball owners.
"The need to be right - the sign of a vulgar mind."
by ghost_ride on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He was ready earlier
He just hired the wrong people
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
O.T. but how much does NBA TV cost?
I hate watching the Clippers on crappy internet feeds.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
Nowhere close to 400$ for Direct TV
I have been considering buying it and it is around 170 for this shortened season. I think Dawool is right on with the 200, but I believe they adjusted their prices.
Not League Pass.. NBA TV
I checked a couple of days ago and it said $7.99 a month. We’re probably talking about two different things.
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
When I saw Solomon Jones name, I was expecting the start of another 500+ thread to nowhere.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
I'm happy to participate ;-)
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Clips are going after Kenyon Martin,,,,, McDyess headed for the glue factory
DTS has it on his bucket list to win a championship. You can’t take all that money with you!
anyone with insider can get the article mentioning the Clips and Martin
going with the theme of John’s article, this would have never been mentioned before by ESPN
for those of you who don't subscribe
UPDATE: In his Thursday chat, ESPN’s John Hollinger tossed out Kenyon Martin as a possible addition for the Clippers once he’s available, commentary of which we’ve noted below.
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UPDATE: As noted earlier Tuesday, the Clippers elected to sign Jones out of the below bunch.
Turner reported that even with the signing of Jones the Clippers also still have interest in Antonio McDyess, even though he announced his retirement.
The team does have one roster spot still open, so such interest in McDyess — even if he doesn’t come out of retirement — could mean the team may still fill that last spot with another big.
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After their strong starting frontcourt of Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan (and with reserve Reggie Evans currently injured and Chris Kaman gone to the Hornets in the Chris Paul trade), the Clippers are thin up front.
But according to Broderick Turner of the Los Angeles Times, the team worked out D.J. Mbenga, Hilton Armstrong, Solomon Jones and Dan Gadzuric on Monday.
So any of these players could be added to the frontline for depth.
Joel Przybilla had previously been listed as a possible frontcourt edition for the team, but it’s possible he could just head to retirement.
— Ryan Corazza
ESPN’s John Hollinger
Martin’s decision
“Very interesting to see how he chooses to play this. Miami, Dallas and L.A. all already have two power forwards that are better than he is, and I don’t think Denver wants him back. Clippers maybe?”
How about . . . SHAQ DADDY?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I said that during the game
I don’t know if his body can take it, but dang it would be great.
Hey - all we want are boards - just go stand under the basket big fella and tell
little Bynum to GTFO.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Just the comedy factor alone - worth its weight in gold
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Meaning - taunting Kobe relentlessly day in and day out
I’d throw $100 at it
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, seriously!
"The need to be right - the sign of a vulgar mind."
by ghost_ride on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Words can’t express how much I’d love to see Shaq on the Clips. Just the thought of him mocking Kobe every day is enough for me.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Makes sense - likely buddy of Chauncey
Maybe Melo with all the turmoil will want out of NY soon and come here too and restructure his deal.
Now that would be hilarious – Melo, BG, CP3, KMart, Chauncy, Caron
Gilbert et al would lose it and attack Staples with real AK47s.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Getting Kmart AND Melo?
Jax, I’m sincerely concerned. You sounded just like a laker fan back there.
when you hear the Clippers, it’s not going to be a joke anymore. I can guarantee you that -BG32
Yeah
You were one “and D12” away from being called a Laker fan.. Anyways, I think JR. Smith sounds more interested than Martin, but I would love either of them. I am thinking too far into the future on this one, but I think it would be a great offseason if we can retain Billups, sign Smith, and sign Martin. I think that is reasonable if we play with our contracts a little bit, but that team would be scary. I would hope that an older Billups would be fine coming off the bench with his age, and a Billups + Smith + Martin bench is just nasty.
Our current team will be good once they gel
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
were you a Nuggets fan or something before Lob City?
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Sorry - retract
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Martin would make sense
as would JR Smith. Can teams do sign and trades? Have the Nuggets sign and trade Martin for part (or all) of the 3.8 exception? And use the 2.5 million exception on Smith (or vice versa?). Any player we sign for the exception, will we have their bird rights next summer?
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Pretty sure they can't sign and trade this season.
I’m not exactly sure when the deadline is THIS season, but I’m guessing their arrival in March would be a bit too late. But seriously, if we can get them NEXT season, I’m completely fine with that too. We will have Foye coming off the books and we can amnesty Cook/Gomes (mostly Cook would be unneeded if we sign Martin)
Cook is expiring
honestly people it is not that much work the look these thing up
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 5, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Neil said it during the CP3 intro presser:
“We’re a destination franchise now”.
And it’s true.
I’m hoping we pick McDyess up later in the year in the vein of BOS picking up the retired P.J. Brown mid-season only to see him become their best big man off the bench during the Finals against the Lakers.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Jan 5, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions
he can make a jump shot? he's not hotheaded? he's a veteran? he has playoff and championship experience?
he may be the worse player, but he may be the better signing
I think it would be a better signing to get Martin, but mainly because
He would be in shape. Let’s be realistic, do you think McDyess is getting/keeping in shape? Especially with his kid coming around? I don’t think so. There is no point in signing someone and then waiting several weeks for him to be in basketball condition. If Martin really wants to play in the NBA (which he does because he isn’t playing in the CBA anymore) he will get into shape. However, McDyess would be a cheaper option and that could benefit us.
Martin could also be financially out of our league
Would he play for 2.5M? He is easily worth more.
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by BelgianClipper on Jan 5, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Martin couldn't dominate the CBA
Something amiss with those knees perhaps.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Kenyon has never been a very good scorer
normally just some dunks (especially during the Nets heyday). He was a good defender last year so he’d give the Clippers 12-15 good minutes behind Blake if he were here. Whether he’s willing to take such reduced minutes is a question (but if he comes here then obviously he’s willing to play that role).
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
the problem with Kenyon & JR is I don't really think of them as high character guys
and don’t want them messing up our team mojo.
Both guys are liked by teammates
and Kenyon was on those successful Nets teams so I don’t see how he’s a guy who’d hurt team chemistry
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G Karl doesn't like JR
Headcase who should be starting but becuase of his attitude doesn’t.
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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Michael Finley?
I saw that he wanted to comeback. I didn’t read the article, only the headline so I don’t know what’s behind it all….but wouldn’t he work out as the taller SG we need?
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
by KidJustin on Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Can Cuttino still play?
when you hear the Clippers, it’s not going to be a joke anymore. I can guarantee you that -BG32
They showed Cat on the jumbotron last night.
I guess he was the game. He looks old. A lot of gray.
yea barely noticed him...
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
The graying/white hair makes it even better.
He held his own against the youngsters at the Drew League this past summer.
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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
So are Ostertag and Ricky Davis
Let’s sign them all!
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
creepy clippers kid
look at this kid hes got guts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58M-mEFb3M&feature=colike
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and when I clicked on the link, the description says that it is you
so stop your spamming
Agreed
It isn’t even creepy. It is just an asshat who stares at the camera and thinks its funny to open his eyes really wide. I remember when I thought that was funny in middle school. And yes, I know it is you., and this is all directed towards you. Please, stop posting this, it’s not even funny.
I'm not going to hold my breath on Mcdyess, but it would make for an interesting story.
He’s longed for the elusive title throughout his career playing on teams such as Detroit or San Antonio, but could realize his championship dreams by signing with the team that drafted him. A team that he didn’t want to play for. It would be a full circle experience.
I still believe that we need to at that veteran big to shore up the bench and further our playoff hopes. I know everyone is not a Kenyon Martin fan, but I believe he would be the best fit. He’s tough and he’s a good interior defender. He could teach a few things to Blake and DJ even if he is only here for a couple of months. He has been teammates to both Chauncey and Reggie. He was rumored to be leaning toward re-teaming with Melo, but the Clippers’ situation could prove to be much more attractive to him when it is time to make a decision.
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I think he also brings passion to the game.
Although he does have attitude, I also think he has that desire and hunger for a ring, just like JR. Smith, and CP3 do. Yes, every player wants to win a championship, but some players just have that drive that will make them perform at 120%, and I think these Nugget players have had that. With their team, they were often close to the Western Conference finals, so I am sure they are tired of knocking on the door; it also has to do with how the Knicks do, if they keep playing like they are, I’m sure nobody will want to play with them.
He could also serve as an enforcer.
In all honesty, any veteran that we could sign would probably be thrilled to join the team if we’re in the position to truly compete in the playoffs. If you look at where Chauncey’s head was at when we first acquired him, you’ll see that he’s now in. He’s going around and saying we’re a dangerous team with so many weapons. I know it’s early, but he’s locked in right now. We have holes, but we have a lot of strengths. Someone like Martin, Smith or McDyess could easily see themselves as the missing piece come March.
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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed and he's someone who can recruit
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
Has McDyess ever said anything about the Clippers?
I don’t remember if he had particularly strong feelings either way. He was a Clippers draft pick for what a hour before they traded him for Rodney Rogers and Brent Barry?
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
I recall him signaling he didn't want to play for the Clips
and who could blame him back then, but I couldn’t find anything on Google. I remember watching him in the tourney that year tear it up.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
I don't remember that.
I do remember feeling that the Rogers and a much later pick for the McDyess pick (#2) was a terrible trade.
Memory probably off
I didn’t like the trade either but was always a RR fan. Didn’t buy into the next Sir Charles hype but thought he would be a matchup nightmare with his combination of size, agility and outside touch. Sad about his current paralysis.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Sorry, this is completely random.
Has anyone watched this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6v-bW6wxoY&feature=youtu.be ? I know it is not Clipper related, but as a basketball fan, I am DISGUSTED by this team. #34 should be banned from any basketball game. He hits the other players as hard as he can, and he smirks because he knows that he got away with something dirty.
I wanna kick his ass..
He surely deserves one..
we’re cheap, like to drink and are pissed off.
WHO WANTS A FREE SHARPIE?? -- Blake Griffin
There is just something about his smirk.
In one of the later fouls, which I thought to be the worst (when he threw the kid down on the floor), I became infuriated with him. The fact that he commits these fouls (and I think they said these were ALL in the first) and he has the nerve to have some sense of achievement? It makes me SICK. I have to hand it to the other players, if I was in there position, I’m not sure if I could get up and just accept the two free throws. I would have most likely confronted the kid or yell at the refs.
Yeah I saw that
It’s ok, he’s probably never going to play ball again because of this and how the media’s blown it up. Oh, and also because of his stomach.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
one team was playing basketball
the other wrestling
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I saw this earlier tonight and it pissed me off.
If he would have pulled that on me, I would have gotten ejected. I’m not saying I would have just went up to him and started punching, but I would have definitely caught him with a couple of elbows at the very least.
He needs to be suspended indefinitely and the refs need to be suspended (if not removed altogether) as well.
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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
as a high school backetball player
I garuntee you that no teammates that I have ever had would stand for that. I wouldn’t have gone after the guy until foul #4, which was the worst. If I had been on the court when he was standing over my teammate i would have shoved him. After any of the fouls I would have been screaming at the refs.
If there is a major increase in spending....
perhaps Donald had a deal like this in the works if he could land it;
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
I'm not a big WalMart supporter
But man they have great deals on cheap-versions of NBA stuff. Really good for playing ball in and chopping up into work out shirts.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
wow! i want an Al-Farouq Aminu shirt too!!
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Anyone watch the Lakers vs Portland?
The Clippers had much better defense than the Lakers did. Bynum and Pau hurt themselves by leaving the Portland bigs wide open, and they had NO answer to Gerald Wallace. Kobe was effective on whoever he was guarding at all times, but Fisher and Blake pretty much gave no defense to the team. I have to say, Bynum is much stronger offensively, but his defense is more suited for a center like Dwight. On the other hand, DeAndre is more suited for someone like LeMarcus Aldridge. Overall, watching the Lakers’ get taken apart by this team we just beat makes me feel good! :)
Next best thing to a Clipper win.
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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
was thinking the same thing
Gerald wallace had ZERO vs. the clippers! they also handled houston much easier than the lakers
Granted both of the teams we played weren't shooting quite as well.
But I like to think that is our defense ;) . But in all honesty, our defense had to play some sort of roll on their bad shooting. Wallace was obviously having a horrible night, but I attribute most of that to DeAndre’s physical presence and Caron’s willingness to stay up on him. Houston passed up on more 3 pointers because they really had no option; it was either shoot a contested three or pass the ball. Overall, I think the Lakers have a different kind of defense they play with Bynum, but I think ours is better simply because we are well rounded. Our team defense consists of an extremely solid PG, an undersized yet strong SG, an older but willing defender, a tad easy yet athlethic PF, and a C who isn’t afraid to guard outside while holding his own on the inside. The Lakers basically have an old, nearly useless defender in Fisher, a solid defender in Kobe, a weak defender in… whoever they start at 3, a soft player in Pau, and a big who can push around the biggest but is uncomfortable outside his low post defense.
Anyone see CP3 on Kimmel tonight?
Kimell was hating real, real hard. I can’t wait for the Clippers to go further than the Lakers and put some of this nonsense to rest.
thanks didn't even realize he was on
think I found the link to the interview online:
http://abc.go.com/shows/jimmy-kimmel-live/video-detail/interviews/chris-paul-on-jimmy-kimmel-live-part-1/pl_PL5520979/vd_VD55161558
Jimmy’s shtick about the lakers/clippers thing got old pretty fast, but CP did an admirable job brushing him off. Really wasn’t much substance to the interview other than “blah blah blah lakers, blah blah blah lakers lakers lakers”
I do wonder what Lebron got CP3 for his wedding gift
probably something stupid like a custom HEAT jersey w/ Paul on the back.
Laker fans are getting extremely desperate for a point guard.
It is obvious they need a pointguard, and fast. However, they don’t have any ways of obtaining a decent one while retaining Bynum+Pau+Kobe. Although this is pretty far fetched, the most logical fan said:
Bynum for Dwight and Gasol for Deron (who will be sign and traded). I know this is far fetched, but I think that proves my point to how desperate fans are getting to see this. Honestly, if the Lakers had some secondary players, I would actually believe this trade is possible. Bynum is putting up monster stats and I suppose they can fight for a deal for Dwight assuming nothing huge is offered. Deron would retain his large contract with a sign and trade, and the Nets get back a solid player.
Personally, my favorite were the fans who want Mo Williams and Bledsoe. Many of them were basically saying they would give up ANYONE on their roster aside from Bynum+Kobe+Pau for Bledsoe :). Hell, if we get World Peace or McRoberts+Troy Murphy for Bledsoe + Gomes (or Cook or something) I would be ecstatic! It sounds like they REALLY need a PG, maybe we should consider sending Bledsoe their way ;). I like him, but there is no way they become contenders with him, but shhhh, they don’t know that!
Don't you think Metta World Peace or McBob+Murphy would fit perfectly?
I like Bledsoe too and the last thing I would want to do is help our cross town rivals, but World Peace would give us the defensive forward we need to compete. McRoberts + Murphy would NEVER happen, because they wouldn’t have backcourt backup, but those two would pretty much complete our 2nd team! I don’t want to help them in anyway, but I think we should also look to help ourselves :)
hate hate hate the idea of ron artest. he is overpaid and a terrible offensive liability at this point
mcroberts and urphy would be a good fit, I agree. but I value bledsoe higher than that
Seriously
You can’t use the nickname Lob City when you have a SF who can barely touch the rim. And McBob/Murphy don’t play D, which is our problem right now. Reggie will help the rebounding issue more than either of those two would.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ron Ron Artest might've helped the Clippers
But Metta World Peace is washed up.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
Take a quick look today at the NBA Standings
Not sure I have ever seen the Clippers on top on their division since becoming a fan. Short lived? Perhaps. But still fun to see.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
I'm pretty sure we were first at some point back in 05-06
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Looking at a tough schedule
We could be 4-2 after Milwaukee but if you look at the glass as “half empty” the next 3 games are at Portland, Miami @home (Back to Back), then the Lakers. Potential record 4-5 or 5-4
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
Um more like 8-2.
Somehow we’ll get an extra W in there, even though there’s only 3 games. Trust me on this.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
But seriously
Do not underestimate the fact that we will be really rested for those 3 games. It’s clearly playing a big factor this season. I’m thinking 5-4 or 6-3. The Lakers just aren’t that good.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
yes, but bynum is gonna give us lots of problems!
brijo1
by ThaFoX on Jan 6, 2012 8:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
My idea is to let Bynum score his 20 and grab down his 15.
I agree, he will give us problems. Let’s just do our best on him and focus on everyone else. If you noticed, the Lakers are completely useless at the point guard and small forward position, we should capitalize on that. Kobe has to have a MONSTER night just to keep them in the game, so I hope that the Clippers throw Caron on him and let Billups guard whoever the 3 is. Overall, I think we can capitalize on this game, because we can easily beat them. Let Bynum have his night. Hold Kobe to low-mid 20’s, and let Pau hurt himself like he always does. Then shut down Steve Blake off the bench with Mo. I think we can take this, not to mention the Lakers have an extremely rough schedule in terms of number of games…
agreed surf!
we can take them like we did in the preseason!
brijo1
by ThaFoX on Jan 7, 2012 12:37 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Check Out This Video Of McDyess Highlights
Blake has nothing on McDyess before McDyess’ knees went bad.
$#%^%&!!!!!
Antonio McDyess was a wonderful player who was an extraordinary athlete… a little smoother than Griffin but pretty close all around. But in terms of court sense, desire, will-to-win, and a half dozen other “intangibles” he can’t get within ten miles of Griffin. Knee injuries or not.
For most of his career, McDyess played second, third, or fourth banana. That’s who he is.
I wouldn’t trade Blake Griffin for five McDyesses.
I hope he was being facetious
McDyess was probably as explosive as Blake and had a decent turn-around 10 footer (he killed Penn or was it Penn St in the tourney with it), but as John R. pointed out he never carried a team or wanted to carry a team. He also didn’t have Blake’s handles.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Yikes
PLEASE don’t refer to Mr. Raffo as “John R.” That sent shivers down my spine.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
I was trying to figure out if ganima was talking about me.
John R is a different guy. A WAY WAY different guy.
I also took John R. to Poetland
Notice we have not heard from him in a while?
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
Wow, you have been there!
Nothing like be greeted after a long drive with a cold beverage. Very similar to when you arrive in Hawaii and the give you an orchid lei.
"Who wants a free Sharpie?"
Ah, poetland...
Can’t believe I’d forgotten. Then again, only PV Mike has ever come back from this wonderful place.
Ah yes. Poetland.
Home of lingerie models and Action Jackson. We should add this mystical place to the glossary one day.
"Fact One: Races are won or lost in key moments. Fact Two: Success in the sport is, above all else, about enduring suffering." - Chris MacCormack
My sincere apologies!
Still new around here and learning the names.
Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.
Lovely gentleman
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Say What
McDyess A Third Or Fouth Banana before he blew his knee out. You have to be kidding. Seriously.
From 1995-96 through 2000-01 before he blew his knee out.
1. Led the Nuggets in MP
2. Led the Nuggets in PPG
3. Led the Nuggets in RPG
4. Was second for the Nuggets in BPG
5. Was third for the Nuggets in TS%
6. His Defensive Rating was also 15th best in the league for all player’s 6’9" and taller who played at least 8,000 minutes over those seasons
Blake’s 2010-11 Defensive Rating among all players 6’9" and over was 41st best.
McDyess also made the All Star team in 2001
Yes unfortunately for most of his career he was a third or fourth banana but before he blew his knee out he was one hell of a player
I like how he throws it down right at the last second, every time
Just like Blake and DJ.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
McDyess was a freak
something like a 47 in vertical. He had a good career even if it was marred by a string of knee injuries. He had some skills even Blake doesn’t have (yet) but few players have Griffin’s motor (and its not like Dice didn’t play hard either).
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I was a big McDyess fan. Exciting and played hard on the court. But he was not a Blake. It’s already been said, but Blake has that motor and intangibles.
You Are Correct About The Motor and Intangibles
However I for one think that when it came to basketball athletic ability McDyess before his injury was similar to what Blake is.
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