A request for all laker fans
by masonjoussa on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM PST
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I would respectfully like to ask all Laker fans to avoid talking about how we can improve our clippers until the lakers are a better team on paper, in the standing and amongst the nation popular vote. I am a long time Clipper fan and have been dealing with Lakers fans my whole life but what i have herd in the last month is just wrong. I really hope we can keep it classy but i wont lie im ready to give blows if your coming into our house and disrespecting the players and fans!!!
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We Are Talking About Lakers Fans, Aren't We?
. I really hope we can keep it classy
Good luck with that one. LOL
by Buddahfan on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Right back at you.
The “Fakers” don’t have class?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
As with any gigantic fanbase
Some are going to be douchey (which is become clear as our fanbase grows).
I know plenty of very cool Laker fans that are more than willing to accept that the Lakers indeed have flaws like any other team. They are perfectly fine discussing basketball stats, player movement, and the Clippers without shoving their Laker-agenda down my throat. They are everywhere out there, so you just have to ignore the douchebags. Just like I am doing my best to ignore the new douchebags that have joined the Clipper Nation and love the players, not the team. The ones who shout stupid crap like, “We should trade FOYE and COOK to NO for GORDON since they are expiring HURR HURR.”
Classless douchebags everywhere, man.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Why are you guys posting on ours?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
just the trolls
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
i think "give blows if your coming into our house" is a bad word choice
anyways….
if you looked up one of the definitions of a Lakers fan in the dictionary it is….“think of trades that do no make sense other than the better play will end up with the Lakers just because and the Lakers will get rid of either 1) useless bench players 2) large contracts 3) older players 4) all of the above”
so since the Lakers are sucking, it is only natural for a Lakers fan to try to do the same for the better team in LA
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Yes did not catch that,
Is this maybe a Girl trying to use Reverse MoJo? By giving blow’s and all.
"Your Hate Will Motivate"
a request for all laker fans
can you please:
A – stop being a bunch of douches
B- – STFU forever
C – Stop existing
by paris clips man on Jan 30, 2012 11:57 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
I think the best thing we can do is not be obsessed with Laker Fans
Just ignore them and enjoy the ride with the Clippers. You know they are worried about what they see and just will not admit it.They are bascially just “acting out.” Even actor Andy Garcia showed the ultimate compliment of the Clips arrival by walking by the Clippers bench and giving the choke sign after the last game.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
Laker players talk a lot of smack, Clipper players act like it's no big deal. Conclusion: Clippers look better.
Laker fans talk a lot of smack, Clipper fans act like it’s a huge deal and totally let it get to them. Conclusion: Clipper fans look threatened and vulnerable.
Let’s follow the team’s lead…
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
come to think of it....
is it really a request for Lakers fans to go away
or
a warning for Clippers fans of what’s to be expected for the next billion years
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
My one request for Laker fans...
is to stop assuming that everyone who trolls Silver Screen and Roll is a Clipper fan. It’s infinitely more likely that they either don’t root for the Clippers at all or they’re a bandwagon-hopper. Actual Clippers fans are knowledgeable, loyal basketball fans, guys. Chill.
I don’t really care about their asinine trade proposals, because that just makes them look bad.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
Clippers fans hate on fringe Lakers fans, Lakers fans hate on fringe Clipper fans.
If the real fans discussed things, it would a very entertaining conversation.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
No
because it would all boil down to this “My Clippers are doing better than your Lakers currently.”
Laker fan: “No, look at the rings.”
…
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
I'm not sure if you read it correctly. REAL fans.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
Those ring-lovers make up a pretty hefty portion of the fanbase, though
It’s like the default argument and it’s super lame.
(Side note: Kobe actually said it too, but he was referring to a rivalry—-that it’s not a rivalry til its a ring battle—-which I completely agree with.)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Real fans use it quite often
We can always talk about who is better, but again they mention being relevant and not being a real rivalry because of the number of rings. Many real Laker fans still have difficulties accepting that the rings does not make how good a team is today.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Rivalry
I think that argument works for dismissing a franchise-rivalry—-everyone knows who the better franchise is—-but as far as an in-season rivalry (if there is such a thing) then the rings are irrelevant.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I think there are different types of rivalries.
Lakers – Celtics have a ring rivalry
Lakers – Clippers have a regional rivalry
If you compare this to college sports
USC – Notre Dame have a championships rivalry
USC – UCLA have a regional rivalry (with USC being better in football and UCLA being better in basketball)
Agree
I have no problem with competent fans who want to discuss and debate reasonably, but when what someone says makes no sense and they are clearly trying to instigate something that’s when I have a problem.
I’m not worried about the true fans who have literally been around for seasons upon seasons of losses. This is a great time for us. It’s the bandwagon “fans” that seem to be making it worst for us. The ones who don’t know anyone aside from CP3 and Blake. It’s just like those laker fans who only know Kobe etc.
Point is that it is inevitable that we will probably lose some class with new fans coming in. But PV Mike has a point. Stop obsessing over it and let’s just enjoy the ride. The way the clippers responded to te laker trash talk is the best example of how to act and it just shows that we are moving on up!
by EJay on Jan 30, 2012 1:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
What is Hip?
You went an’ found you a guru.
In an effort to find you a new you,
And maybe even manage to raise your conscious level.
While you’re striving to find the right road,
There’s one thing you should know,
“What’s hip today, might become passe’.”
we seem to think that "we" will remain the same bunch....
As more and more new and lite fans pour in day by day, win by win.
We have been, for decades, a concentrated and select group (we were so small in numbers) but and now inflating like a red balloon that when barely inflated, was a deep red. But as the air fills that balloon becomes pinkish and more transparent.
My friends, the inevitable is soon approaching. We if we do very well, being in the same area as our detested well to do cousin in which who’s home we were brought in to live.
It is Animal Farm.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Jan 30, 2012 2:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If this is what I think it stands for
then I suggest Jasen Powell use Windex for all injuries.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
big sofo is actually pretty trim now
^^he’s buffer than that…just cant find the pic
anyways…when i see MBFGC i now think of Smush Paker
last season he was in Greece so we could have called him MBFGG…but since he’s in Iran now i guess its MBFIG
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
this is getting silly
If someone doesn’t matter what team they root comes to make a serious basketball debate on how to improve the team i have no problem with him
Missed the point
Howard for Griffin= no brainier
How is writing that on our site and saying your a laker fan a debate.
Its his jealousy and a way of saying I don’t like Blake griffin cause hes not on my team.
I wonder what the response would be if we went on silver screen and roll and just said Kobe for Howard is a no brainier. Its disrespectful and not well received.
A better way to create a debate would be to say something like What do you guys think of Blake in a trade for Howard?
Also throwing in low blows like if clippers made this trade they would win a championship while the whole league is weak this season. This is a laker fans way of making excuses and getting prepared for if the clipper did win or have a better season then them by saying the west sucks and it was a short season.
I’m not buying any excuses
by masonjoussa on Jan 30, 2012 4:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
These more meaningless fan posts are becoming, ever so slowly, less and less meaningful to me
no offense to the creators of these fan posts, just personal
+1
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
laker fan told me at staples
he hopes cp3 has a career ending injury and that his kids grow up gay.
and then points up at the 16 banners. This is to me the classlessness I have felt from many other laker fans. you cant debate with them cause they live in the past and have a excuse for every reason why the clippers are better.
While I don't agree with the first part....
The 16 rings is our fallback. Same as the Clippers’ record is yours.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Which is more valid when talking about presently?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Not even close to being close
The rings have no place in a discussion about who has the better team.
Pretty different arguments really.
Rings = Lakers’ fallback to the better franchise (no one on our side can argue against that)
Record = Clippers’ fallback to the better team in 2012 (no one on your side can argue against that at this point anyway)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Why don't the ones in MLPS. count?
The San Diego Clippers were still the Clippers.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
yes the Clippers still acknowledge the SD Clips
even the Buffalo Braves
because those are our roots…however
the LA Clippers and representing their era in LA the most. Back in 09 we had a “25 years in LA” thing going on. basically its a mix of respecting your roots but representing who you are now
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
So you're saying you're right, we're wrong, and that is the way it is?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
So if the Clippers won in Buffalo or San Diego, you wouldn't recognize those championships?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 2, 2012 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
You guys are talking about staying classy.
Practice what you preach.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM PST reply actions
yet again
another laker fan talking about class
Your point is?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
lets ask what they think of the comish
oh and he comes more excuses
Nobody in the league likes the commissioner!
Even before we got screwed in the CP3 deal.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
please explain
how clipper fans are not keeping it classy.
I can think of numerous fanposts on this blog.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
practice what you preach
well your in our house so please preacher preach on Explain yourself young man
Not trying to be a pest, just striking up conversation.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
still waiting
for a example of clippers not keeping it classy like you said.
Also saying the comish screwed you is another excuse he simply was looking out for the best interest of the non owned hornets. the lakers screwed themselves by not rebuilding there team after there last championship like the mavs are doing instead of waiting for other teams to get much better and not resolve any problems till it was to late.
Stop with the EXCUSES Please
Rephrase that: Looking out for the best interest of the "small market owners."
If Stern blocked discussions from the beginning, resulting in no hurt feelings, we wouldn’t bring it up. The Mavs were forced to rebuild. They lost Chandler and Barea. I would hardly call Odom, Carter, and Delonte rebuilding
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
You are wrong on the NOH talk
NOH was getting a horrible deal so the owner of the team said No deal, it’s not his fault that the trade was leak as finished before to put pressure on the NBA, Lakers knew they were dealing with the NBA as the Hornets owner so did we and we give what they want, an excellent rebulding package.
But without Stern, the deal would have gone through. If NOH got the short end of the stick, that is their fault.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
But Stern was part of NOH
It is a mess but it wasn’t STern comissioner it was Stern owner, so blaming Stern is childish.
So because Stern was owner & commissioner, you're saying that it wasn't his fault?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
no it is not
any owner in their right mind would have nix’d that trade
why trade out the best PG in the league, who is still young…for OLDER guys that are MORE expensive and have LONGER contracts
talent wise…it was a so-so trade. but looking to the future wise. it was terrible. NOH might have competed this year, might not…but their future looked bleak at best
as for the trade that did happen…
-they get an AWESOME first round pick
-at the time EJ was coming off a breakthrough year and olympic medal…yea he was hurting a little, but he is still young. arguable one of the best young shooting guards in the whole league….a good piece to build around for their franchise…(the current injury/ext issue is moot since that could not have been seen at the time of the trade….kind of like reigning 6th man Odom sucking this year)
-Kaman is a true big man, one of the true centers in the league with an offensive game. he has his flaws…but what he does well at his size is VERY rare in the NBA. him not working out (mainly because Oka and Landry are their guys) could have been seen…but as a large expiring contract + talent…u take it. he can either be traded for more assets else where or just let his contract come off the books
-Aminu….throw in, but clearly has a lot of potential…he is just a freak of an athlete
…u can never replace Chris Paul, but that is a pretty good package to help push the franchise into rebuilding mode. something that could not have happened with the LAL-HOU-NOH trade proposal
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
my bad
I meant blaming Stern commissioner is childish, you can blame the owner of the Hornets, i am O.K with that, but he was acting in the best interest of his team as an owner.
I blame him as commissioner for two reasons,
1. He specifically stated the NBA wouldn’t get involved with personnel matters.
2. He has seriously conflicting interests as the commissioner. Wether he acted on those interests or not, we will never know; but I do know that if I had multiple billionares who I depend on for business were upset with me, it would change the way I view things.
I completely understand why this would frustrate Laker fans
But I also completely understand why Stern (or any other owner of the Hornets) would prefer the Clippers’ deal over the Lakers, from a rebuilding standpoint.
As you say, we’ll never know, and for Laker fans, I sympathize how frustrating that is (especially since it led directly to the departure of Odom). As a Clipper fan, obviously I’m pretty stoked, but that blows for you guys.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
how does baseball get away with this? don't they own a bunch of teams?
We need Bill Walton back: "THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
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Yeah that's true...
I don’t know if I buy the whole “conflict of interest” bit of it. I just understand that it sucks to think it’s done and then have it be undone. Normally, with a regular team owned by a regular owner, the whole rejection of trades is under the radar. But when the owner is the NBA, it can’t be under the radar. Lakers were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It was a bad decision, yes
But you can’t tell me you honestly don’t think the Paul trade had anything to do with it. They tried to trade the guy, he got offended, then it didn’t go through so there was an elephant in the room, and Kupchak decided to deal with the elephant this way. The rejection of the trade led directly to the Lakers letting Odom go for almost nothing, I think.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The Paul trade have something to do with him leaving
Getting nothing for the 6th man of the year was terrible manegement.
I agree.
However Lamar isn’t exactly in shape this year so it might be a blessing in disguise.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
They could have gotten so much more for him. I don’t understand why they did what they did.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I think the Paul trade had almost everything to do with him leaving.
I would say his departure is 80% on this shot down trade, the other 20% is the diva the Kardashians made him into. Either way, the management should have looked for someone who could have possibly helped them, and that is THEIR fault. They probably could have had a decent PG for Lamar (Kirk Hinrich?). I think the worst part about this trade exception is it won’t help them at all in a possible trade for Dwight. Some have said they can use it on Hedo, but they don’t realize that the trade exception has to be able to absorb the WHOLE contract, and there is a 3 million difference.
That's why some of us want Ryan Anderson who is coming off the books at the end of this season.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Do you mean in a trade?
The way he is playing, there is no way the Magic would throw him in the deal. Even if you threw in Pau, it would still be pretty iffy.
Or at the end of the season
as a RFA. He’ll want to leave for sure.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know your exact salary space and such
But the way he is playing, he will fetch a pretty penny. I don’t think you would have enough to make him a competitive offer, not to mention I’m sure Orlando would match most offers. Would you really be willing to invest that much in a backup PF?
On another note, Bynum's value seems to be decreasing.
How do you feel about your chances to get Dwight. As Clipper fans, most if not all of us would like to see Dwight in any other jersey either than a Lakers one :p haha. With Bynum’s slowing down and the Lakers slowing down in general, how do you feel about your chances of getting Dwight?
What makes you say Bynum's value is decreasing?
If anything, the longer he stays on the court without getting injured, the more he seems like a sure thing.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I see it differently.
He started off on FIRE this season. (Remember his 20 20 game?) He was knocking down all of his shots and he was making the right decisions, but as the season progressed, he slowed down. This initial hype made people say that a Bynum Howard straight deal was possible, but now, it seems very much out of the question. Yes, his health is a good sign, but let’s be honest, his injuries are never severe, but on any given night he can go down. I don’t think durability is really a question for him, because we all know that he is injury prone.
Unlike most Laker fans....
I don’t think we’ll get him unless we trade Gasol also. In the end, Orlando will be asking for too much, resulting in New Jersey snagging him. Don’t get me wrong though. We all want him.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly don't see why you wouldn't just go all out.
Let’s be honest, the Lakers aren’t playing like contenders, nowhere near it. Yes, Bynum and Pau is a hefty asking price, but don’t you think it is worth the risk? Especially with how he is playing?
One second, i'll get back to you on that.
Internets acting weird.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
That is a controversial question in Laker circles.
View 1 (We’re desperate): Trade Bynum, Pau, the trade exception, and picks for Dwight & Ryan Anderson (or) Jameer Nelson (or) Hedo Turkoglu (or) Glen Davis.
View 2 (They’re desperate): Trade Bynum, trade exception, and picks for Dwight & Ryan Anderson (or) Jameer Nelson (or) Hedo Turkoglu (or) Glen Davis.
View 3 ( OMG LAKERS R THE GREATEST TEAM EVAR!): Trade Bynum, trade exception, and Dallas’s pick for Dwight & Ryan Anderson (or) Jameer Nelson (or) Hedo Turkoglu (or) Glen Davis. While simultaneously trading Pau, other players, and Lakers picks for Deron Williams and 2nd round picks.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Here is what I think about all of those views.
And let me start off with this; I find there is a 0% chance that Ryan Anderson is being dealt in ANY Dwight deal unless they get back legitimate stars back. He is playing GREAT ball and there is no reason to trade him. Also, you can’t mix in trade exceptions if you also have players involved in the trade. But here goes.
View 1: Personally, I think the Lakers are more desperate. Yes, the Magic are in a pretty bad situation, but the fact that the Lakers are even fighting to be a top 7 team speaks loudly. I think if Orlando just goes all in, they will get Pau and Bynum for Dwight and Hedo.
View 2: Like I said, the Magic have it tough. It seems like it is a sure thing Dwight is leaving. However, I would imagine that some teams would offer quite a bit, because Howard is not ordinary player. If you can get him, you get him. Just as the Hawks and GSW were making some serious offers before, I imagine several teams will consider doing this.
View 3: Honestly, it wouldn’t be extremely surprising if this happened, they are in fact, the Lakers. If it is true that Orlando is extremely desperate, then I suppose Bynum may be the candidate to trade for. And with the Nets, Deron hasn’t extended, and it is obvious he wants to play with Dwight. Honestly, I don’t know why they would want another big man, but they may be just as desperate as the Magic by the end of the season.
Nets are not trading Deron for Pau
The franchise gave way too much for him to let him leave without a fight, besides Gasol alone is not valuable for the Nets as a rebuilding team.
Also on a somewhat separate note.
As much as I don’t like most Laker fans, you seem like a pretty swell guy. Thanks for being a realistic Laker fan, it seems that you are a dying breed.
thanks man.
you’re not too bad yourself
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Also, do the Nets really have any assets?
For some reason, I see Dwight going to some random team that offers a little too much even if it is for a rental. I mean Dwight isn’t even giving a sure extension to the Lakers, and if that truly is the case, then there is one option left and that is NJ. Let’s be honest though, they don’t have that many trading assets either than Lopez, and he is still injured.
This is true.
With the Lakers, the Magic get at least Bynum, money, and somebody else. Dwight gets to play for a team that would then be on its way up. With the Nets, the Magic get an injured Brook Lopez, lottery picks, and a lot of role players. Dwight gets to be on a team that 1. will tank the season but get no lottery picks, 2. move into a shiny new stadium and be renamed the Brooklyn Nets, and 3. will also be on its way up.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well I wasn't arguing that the Lakers had a good package.
But at the same time, I don’t think the Nets have a very good package. Overall, I think that any package from the Lakers or the Nets will be mediocre at best. With the whole Bynum + Somebody, that is underwhelming. Bynum’s durability will always be a question roaming around him, not to mention he will be a free agent in 2 years. The 2nd player obviously will not be very worthwhile; the Lakers truly have no trading assets aside from Pau and Bynum. So that is why I think we will all be surprised on where Dwight goes.
Ryan Anderson should start no matter where he plays...
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ryan Anderson is a very good player
His per 36 numbers have always been awesome, and his PER and win-shares are also very high. I don’t think they’ll deal him, and they’ll match any offer he gets.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Its weird
there are so many laker fans on our site which is understood with the clippers becoming the better team in la but even when the lakers were better I never found myself their site weird huh.
Wow.
Just wow. What happened to the smart Clipper fans.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
*that were here before?
oops
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
your not really aware
if you were you would know the mavs made the choice not to keep those guys so they can have max cap for this summer and i would not be surprised if Dwight or Deron end up there as they are in great position to rebuild there team.
You wish.
Then the two of your fan-bases can congratulate each other. Like how you and the Nets fans were hoping that each team got its man.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM PST reply actions
huh
not sure what that has to do with the Mavs blowing up there team who just won a championship in order to get prepared for the free agents they want unlike the lakers who waited until there wagon was broke and got blown out by the mavs and then downgraded in the off season. I believe if the lakers would have tried to attack all these problems last year they would be in a much better position improve there team for the long run. As of now I dont think Dwight wants to even play for the Lakers any more and that says alot for a storied franchise. lets not forget Kobe is going to be owed 30 Million which is a very scary high number in this post CBA
Use the reply button.
We know Dwight doesn’t like what he sees from our team. However, the Lakers always snag the biggest prize in the end. Unfair? Yeah, but you aren’t gonna see Laker fans complaining.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 30, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
"the Lakers always snag the biggest prize in the end."
Well that was a little bit douchey. Why not comment on having a smart GM rather than that the Lakers are a favored team in the league? That’s the kind of stuff that bothers those of us who aren’t the favorites, especially when other fans accuse the league of rigging this somehow in our favor. Like the ONE TIME things don’t go the Lakers’ way, it’s rigged. And then you say something like this, and it’s clear that the fans truly do believe the league should be catered to them. The entitlement is what annoys.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
My friend, I said it is unfair.
The Clippers also play here though, so it really does reflect on the management.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
Perhaps more of an observation than a bragging statement. History shows that the Lakers usually get what they want, and I think everyone here agrees on that. I get ya now.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Thanks for taking the time to actually understand what I was saying.
unlike someone…
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
reply
“Also throwing in low blows like if clippers made this trade they would win a championship while the whole league is weak this season. This is a laker fans way of making excuses and getting prepared for if the clipper did win or have a better season then them by saying the west sucks and it was a short season.”
I said the west is weak compared in the 2000’s. I did not say the whole league. It is not an excuse, it is an observation. In the 2000’s Sacramento, Portland, Dallas, Suns, Lakers and Spurs are all considered contenders. This year OKC is widely considered the favorites, then there’s the other 10 teams.
“Its his jealousy and a way of saying I don’t like Blake griffin cause hes not on my team.”
I am sorry to say but there are at least 10 players I prefer than Griffin because I value defense.
Right now, the West has OKC, Denver, the Clippers, Dallas, Utah, and San Antonio in the upper echelon.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
To be fair,
that’s not necessarily saying much. While I agree that the West is very deep, it’s also very easy to make the argument that it’s deep because it has no standout teams. I don’t know if that’s what he was saying(his post is a bit ambiguous), but it’s definitely a possibility.
What's a standout team?
Because we all thought Miami was but they didn’t standout too well against Dallas.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
I mean a team that stands out from other contenders, and could legitimately compete with other all-time great teams.
I just don’t think the top talents each year are equal. A good example would be the ‘08 Celtics, with 3 hall of famers that, while not in their prime, were still playing at a high level with quality role players around them. I’m not saying that
And I’m still kinda of the opinion that Miami got a little overhyped because of how shallow the East is/was, but that’s because I’m super biased.
Blake has 8 blocks in the last 3 games
A new commitment to defense? I can hope, anyway.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I like Durant.
Even when the guy misses the block with one hand, the second hand can come flying at you with the other. Not to mention that wing span doesn’t hurt.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
“I would respectfully like to ask all Laker fans to avoid talking about how we can improve our clippers until the lakers are a better team on paper, in the standing and amongst the nation popular vote.”
So? What is wrong talking about the Clippers if the Lakers are lower than the Clippers in the standing? Is there rules that the team must be better than the other for people to be able to Post something? What a classy way to act, huh.
by letsgolal on Jan 31, 2012 6:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
you must be bored....
Lakers dont have anything to talk about on there blogs?
Oh thats right… they do have sumthing to talk about (picking up Gilbert Arenas) Lakers are very desperate right now…… LOL……good luck with that one
Go Clippers
This whole thread has me thinking that SSR/ClipsNation should designate a common thread from time to time
where all the instigators can just have it and get it out of their system instead of the current trolling that’s been going on….just a suggestion.
We need Bill Walton back: "THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
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Not even a top ten player
Wow and your saying you would take ten other players on the lakers then Griffin you must think way too highly of your players Lol have fun with that and try to have more fun in your on blog spot!!!
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM PST via Android app reply actions
seriously use the reply button
and he never said that he will pick 10 players in the Lakers over Blaker, he is saying there are at least 10 players in the league he will take over Blake.
I think if you only had 1 year to win it all, which we do, the whole 2012 thing is coming..
There are players that I would take over Blake assuming you went all out for 1 year. He is just extremely potent and that is what makes him so valuable. Let’s start our list:
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Dwyane Wade
LeBron James
Dwight Howard
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Love
Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Deron Williams
I suppose you can argue that Blake is in the top 10, but he would be a 9 spot at best.
I think Deron is still an elite PG.
He shows up every night and plays well; his record has fallen mostly because the team he plays with is far less than his Utah Team. I think Pau was there if he played like he did last year, but he isn’t the same person he was a couple years back. I would argue that his brother is better than him. Also, that’s why I said he might hit top 10, but he is nowhere near the front of that list.
Thank you for the list.. :)
My mentality is this. If you have a chance to win the championship today, take that chance.
You will never know what will happen in the future.
Add also Aldridge and Westbrook to that list and remove K-Love.
Experience, defense, championship, leadership are things Griffin and K-Love lacks or still has to prove. So basically Griffin and K-Love is ranked 12A and12B.
That is why luck is a huge part of the Lakers these past few years.
True, it is great to win a championship whether it be now or later; however, this mentality has led to the weakening of the Lakers roster in the past; you just got bailed out by Memphis when you had no signs of hope left. But seriously, you are going to bad mouth K-Love and defend Aldridge and Westbrook? Neither of those players have a championship or great leadership. True, they have more playoff experience, but Aldridge is still young and Westbrook is nearly a poison in the playoffs.
Aldridge and Westbrook are both above average defenders and as you mention, has playoff experience. Yes, even if the lakerss do not win a championship for about 3 years, I still call it a sucess having won 2 championship in recent years.
See Boston and Dallas, I think both teams fan base are happy that they at least win a ring.
agree about aldrige disagree about Westrbrook and K-Love
K-Love is the most complete player and Westrbrook is overrated, not even close to Blake.
I think Love needs a little bit of work on his defense.
Either than that, he is very complete.
Westbrook is in All-NBA 2nd team. He might be selfish and turnover prone, but he is a proven all-star. K-Love is arguably top 10 or not, it depends on opinion. But I think being a Big man he still needs to improve his FG% because his career high in FG% is 47%.
Love FG% is lower because of his 3pt shooting
Love is a very effective 3 point shooter, he shoots around 40% of them, he also better than Blake in the FT line (80%), you can say he has to improve his FG% but if he is making 3’s and scoring a higher % on the line, he can afford to drop his FG% and still be very effective. In this season he has been more effective than Blake even with a lower FG%. He makes 1.41 points per FGA, Blake makes 1.26, Blake might have a higher FG% but Love is the most effective player, he has a bigger range of places where he can make you damage and he also has the edge in the rebounding game.
I don't want to be rude, but
I’ve never heard of points per FGA, and it isn’t a very good method to reflect efficiency, because it accounts for free throws made, but not missed. While your point about Love’s 3 point shooting and free throw shooting not reflecting in his FG% is very true, a much better and easily accessible stat that takes those factors into account is True Shooting%, or TS%. You were on point with everything, PTs/FGA just doesn’t seem to me to be very effective at demonstrating efficiency =)
you are right, that was just lazy of me
I was just trying to make it fast, now i have kinda make more research Blake Ts% is 52.7 to Love 57.3
Proven all star?
All star voting is merely a popularity contest. Until he proves that he is a worthy player in the playoffs, which he hasn’t done, he proves to give them numerous problems, then he isn’t an amazing player.
westrbook was a reserve
He was chosen by the coaches not the same as by the fans.
By that same logic,
Blake Griffin can’t be a “worthy player”, since he has no playoff experience. Same with Kevin Love. That’s not a line of thinking most would get behind, at least in my opinion.
I think it is valid.
True, but Griffin and Love haven’t been given the opportunity. When I miss a test, I don’t get a 0/100 on it, I get a 0/0 until I take it. To me, this seems like the same case for Griffin and Love. You can’t penalize them if they haven’t been given the chance. Westbrook was given the chance, and what did he do? He tried to be the hero and that cost them a large amount. Knowing your role is a pretty big part of being successful in the playoffs.
This is selective memory, and also a very very small sample size. This is why I don't think playoff numbers alone matter much.
Westbrook played unbelievably well in the 2010 playoffs, with less weapons around him. And while he certainly struggled last year, struggling in short spurts(and, by the same notion, playing incredibly well in others) happens to the best of players. There was a point in time where Magic had “choked” for the Lakers, and was given the nickname Tragic Johnson. Finished his career with some of the best playoff statistics in the history of the league. I wouldn’t put too much stock in Westbrook struggling in two series.
I think there was a big difference those two years.
And it was his attitude. His first year, he wasn’t exactly a star player yet. He was a complete surprise to the Lakers, and he caught them off guard. As last season progressed and he gained more popularity, it seemed to have rushed to his head. THAT is why he tried pulling some hero plays at vital moments. Here is the difference between Magic’s situation and Westbrook, Magic “choked” true, but Russel’s was all attitude based, and we KNOW he has an attitude. The fact that there are chemistry problems with him and Durants shows that he thinks he is all that. Yes he is good, but he doesn’t realize that Kevin Durant is better. There are no indications that he is going to believe that anytime soon, and that will ALWAYS be a problem in the playoffs.
I'm gonna leave on this note, because we're getting into speculation and narratives, which I'm not a fan of. I don't know how athletes think, especially when all i see or hear is 10 minute clips after the game.
You can have the last word on the matter, but here’s what I think of with Russell Westbrook, a point guard I don’t rank very highly on my personal list, but who I think gets too much flak from some.
Anyways. Between 09/10 and 10/11, you’re right that Westbrook got more confident. Numbers support that, his usg% went up, and I think a casual observer could easily see that he was a lot more aggressive for his shot. But his efficiency, scoring, and assist rate all went up when he did that. He was a much much better player in ‘11 than in ’10. He’s obviously no Kevin Durant, but the Thunder found some serious success with Westbrook as a threat, and he found success as well.
In any case, it was obvious at times that Westbrook wasn’t comfortable on the court against Memphis and Dallas, but that happens to young players, and yes, he forced the issue too much. His decision making has question marks, agreed. But the Thunder currently have the best record in the league with Westbrook as the secondary contributor, and holding the keys to the car. They’ll still have bad games, bad decisions, etc. but most young points go through those growing pains.
But lost in the shuffle of Westbrook critiques is that Westbrook had a really similar usage rate in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. Same with Kevin Durant. Their roles didn’t change significantly, Westbrook just wasn’t as good as he normally was/is.
I think that you make a valid point.
But at the end of the day, you can’t judge everything on stats and such. If you watch the games, it is obvious that Westbrook took his role to be the person who wins games, but Kevin Durant is obviously that player. I don’t recall if it was during regular play or OT, but I think it was an OT Game. Westbrook tried to win it in regulation but he didn’t do it. Then, when they had another chance to win it, Westbrook surprised Durant and gave him a terrible shot. I know you can’t say it to be true, but that greatly changed the game, because had Durant had it without being surprised or had it the first time around, I believe he could have made that shot.
Heh, since I'm still on the page,
I trust stats that watch every second of every game with an equal memory than a flawed, biased, and selective eye test that every person has. Obviously stats have context, but if Westbrook had a similar usage rate in the 17 playoff games he played last season as he did in the 82 games of the regular season, I certainly believe it’s because he used a similar amount of possessions. But, maybe you’ve got a better memory of the Thunders’ season than I do, what do I know.
His usage rate did increase a bit during the playoffs
But it was his plummeting scoring efficiency that really hurt his team. The guy just started shooting threes twice as often. If you look here and do a little bit of calculating, you can see that he took more threes to pull down his efficiency compared to the regular season.
Here’s my breakdown of each location’s FG attempts and the percentage of total attempts.
Regular Season:
0-3 – 555 = 40.0%
3-9 – 184 = 13.2%
10-15 – 193 = 13.9%
16-23 – 353 = 25.4%
three – 104 = 7.5%
total – 1389 attempts
Playoffs:
0-3 – 120 = 35.1%
3-9 – 48 = 14.0%
10-15 – 43 = 12.6%
16-23 – 83 = 24.2%
three – 48 = 14.0%
total – 342 attempts
Nothing really changed except that he decided to stop driving and to shoot threes twice as often, which you can also see at b-ref.com (1.3 3PA to 2.8 3PA).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah, I can agree with that.
But this whole “Westbrook froze out Durant” thing isn’t true. Westbrook played his usual role within the offense-shoot first PG who uses a ton of plays-it just didn’t go as well, as you note, because he wasn’t making good decisions.
Ah yeah I feel ya on that
The similar usage rate just indicates that he touched the ball the usual number of times, just shot it differently. No freezing out.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I wouldn't go as far as saying freezing out.
But at the same time, Durant deserved the ball in the end game. Sometimes he won’t be available, and at that point I agree with his choice seeing as he is the #2, but when do you see a final possession in which the ball didn’t go through MJ or Kobe’s hands? (Aside from those rare times when they couldn’t free themselves up)
Seriously I'll do what I want your not my mom!!
Name them and where Blake falls.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Point of this blog
Keep your laker point of views about our Clippers and players on your spot don’t come in our house and tell us you would take ten other players over Blake. Go to your house and bring that up, have a cup of tea and blog about our Clippers on silver screen and roll.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 PM PST via Android app reply actions
yeah, keep it classy..
And you have no right to tell me what to do. You do not own the Clippers!
I wouldn't be taking one year
And the only guy I would trade for out of those players for Blake with there curant ability age longevity and upside in consideration is Durant and then LeBron
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Seriously, using the reply would be nice.
It’s not very difficult. Also, when you argue of the top 10, I find that it is about the PRESENT.
Thank you
You asked nice unlike what I suspect to be a lakers fan
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
New app on my phone
Didn’t see that you have to drag down the reply thing. When ppl ask nice I go the extra mile to make them happy
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Do not mouth off if i do not concur with you.
Every fan has the right to state his opinion. It is an irony that you are the one who posted this fanpost stating about being classy.
I think we can agree that we both need to stop the attacks.
@ Mason: True, the majority of Laker fans seem to be jerks. Sorry to you respectable Laker fans, but you have to admit, you have some obnoxious fans. So do the Clippers, I know, I am one.
@ Letsglobal: I think we can go back to the saying, don’t say anything if you don’t have anything nice to say. True, you have the right to state your opinion, it’s called Freedom of speech (in this case Press), but there is no point in trying to argue with Clipper fans at a CLIPPER BLOG.
No, because some fans attack me as if I want the Clippers to suck. As i mentioned in some of my post, if the Lakers don’t win it, I would like the Clippers to win the championship.
Dude, you are still a Lakers fan.
The whole point of this post was to ask you not to pretend to be our GM. Of course, we aren’t the Clippers GM, but you shouldn’t be advising Clipper fans what is best for our team, especially when you claim it to be a “no brainer”. To be quite honest, I’m not a really big supporter of being big on two teams, especially when they are seen as rivals. That’s like saying I want the Lakers to win, but if they don’t, I’m fine with the Heat winning.
Also it's somewhat insulting.
I think all of us here want the Clippers to win a championship, no doubt about it. But the fact that you are proposing a deal which is a “no brainer” insults our roster. We have faith in our players, and if we didn’t we would most likely be looking for a trade too. The fact of the matter is, many of us here don’t have the Laker fan’s mindset. We stick to what we got and we don’t look for upgrades every second; we show loyalty to our players. When you were saying that you would trade Kobe that showed me that you had no loyalty; he is the face of your franchise and you are willing to throw him away for a slightly better chance at a ring. That is what disgusts me.
“That’s like saying I want the Lakers to win, but if they don’t, I’m fine with the Heat winning.”
No way in hell it is similar with the heat. Why can’t you understand a simple logic, I live in LA, that’s why I cheer for both Lakers and Clippers.
But Clipper fans can post trade ideas? Why can’t a person cheer for two teams?
I'm merely saying I'm not a fan of people who choose two teams who are rivals.
I suppose it is somewhat better that you live in LA. But at the same time, if you are a Laker fan, stick to the Lakers. Just because your team is now down in the dumps, doesn’t mean that you should all of a sudden become a Clippers follower. I won’t put words in your mouth, but I am almost certain that you weren’t a Clippers fan when they were a subpar team.
No you are wrong. Please do not assume
I am a became a Clipper and Laker fan the same day in the year 1992.
I like EJ and I am disappointed that he was included in the trade. Then i remember how Clippers blow it’s pick on Olowokandi, I remember Danny Manning, arguably the best Clipper of all time.
I don't believe it is a coincidence that you show up here when the Lakers started sucking.
That’s just what I believe.
Grass is green
they like green grass they gravitate towards it.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Generalization.
I think MOST Laker fans would rather go down with their ship as compared to becoming a Clipper fan.
Lakers are in our division
How can you root for both at the end of the day you have to root for one over the other and when you opt to put lal after your name not lac then too me its clear.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
again, do not assume
I only try signing up for ClipsNation and SSR this year. If you could follow my post in SSR you could see that I am also new there.
Alright.
But I’m just saying, I don’t quite understand how you truly support both of them. To me, it just seems difficult to support both rival teams, at one point, you will have to choose.
Also
He kept referencing us in is no bainer blog as Clippers fans and even mentioned in his heading that he was a laker fan
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He said
I obviouslya laker fan but living in la the Clippers are your second favorite.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
yes I am LAL fan first.
I guess if my username is letsgolac there will be a different reaction.
I think
He enjoys watching Clippers games cause there more exciting and its nice to see what a great job the Clippers did putting together this amazing good winning team that has great chemistry and attitude.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:04 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You think that
Cause your not a clipper fan otherwise you would agree
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The Lakers & Clippers weren't really rivals until recently.
That is why many people like both teams.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, but I think that is crap.
I admit, the Lakers and Clippers rivalry is most likely in a mere fledgling state; that is, the rivalry has just begun. A rivalry doesn’t mean you root for both teams, to me, it seems that you should support your initial team even more and go against the opposition 10 fold. I don’t think people like both teams now that there is a rivalry, I think people like both teams now because the Clippers finally became good and at this point, stronger than the Lakers. I.E. Some bandwaggoner fnas.
I agree with your statement.
I used to cheer for the Clippers. However that was only when I attended their games. (They used to be so much cheaper than Laker games) Now, I dislike the Clippers while the rest of my friends are jumping on the Clippers’ bandwagon. Maybe he’s just late to the party.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
That is pretty much my story.
Except I stuck with the Clippers. My whole family, from my cousins to my dad were all huge Laker fans, and they still are. My dad, however, decided to start taking us to Clipper games because they were much much cheaper (sadly that isn’t the case anymore) and from then on out, I was a Clippers fan.
I love that you stuck with the Lakers
I’ve never enjoyed seeing people in Laker jerseys until now. Now it tells me they are loyal, and that is something I can dig.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
"It's a dying breed."
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 2, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
They call it
Fairweather fan
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You can't be a Clippers fan
Just admit when the lakers playthe Clippers you root lakers
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Again do not assume
Do not assume that all people thinks the Clippers and the Lakers as rival. Please open your mind. Not all people are like you. There are who people who root for their teams because of locality. Understand?
I am also an Angel and Dodger fan. I have been hoping for a freeway series ever since I saw the Mets versus Yankees.
So you are one of those who doesn't believe it to be a rivalry?
If that is the case, that isn’t the best thing to be saying on a Clippers blog. I think it is a rivalry, and if not a rivalry yet, those two teams are flat out enemies.
Lost sheep
Look clipper nation we have some lost laker sheep here can somebody herd then home
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Chill.
I respect that you are a die hard Clippper fan, but let’s chill for a second. I honestly am on the same boat as you, I don’t like the majority of Laker fans, but I often jump to the issue of making a generalization/labeling them, and this has led me to showing no class. To this day, I’ll admit that I’m not really a classy fan, but still, you don’t need numerous comments showing your displease in Laker fans.
i was the one that ask you to use the reply button
I am not a laker fan, i have been posting here for years, i’m pretty sure most regular posters would tell you i am a clipper fan. Sorry if you feel i was being rude to you when asking you to use the reply button.
Its cool
I was just getting confused and the reply button on this app is weird and somebody else was bugging me about it too
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
We can both play the same game
But ill keep it in our house. As of right now I wouldn’t trade one Clippers starter for a laker INCLUDING KOBE and his cancerous 30 mill contract(Billups 2mil Mo off the bench pricless) which is crippling the lakerse from making moves and building a new bright future. Looks like a long road to the top with Dwight just coming out and saying if lakers trade for him he will still test free agencies
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 9:48 PM PST via Android app reply actions
A couple of things I see.
1) I don’t think you take the players contract into consideration when ranking them. So I don’t know if that was a factor for you, but a top 10 player is based on skill (on offense and defense)
2) I also think Dwight is going to say that to ANY team besides the Nets. He obviously wants to play with Deron, and he also realizes that the Lakers getting Deron is implausible.
Upside is a big factor
For me at least since some guys you mentioned are getting old and can be injury proned.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Kevin love
Great but I think Blake has more upside and is even with him now.I can’t see love getting better in the categories he already dominates and other things aren’t possible for the type of player he is but still amazing and great right now its a tie for me but Blake has room to improve
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You don't see my point.
You are right, Blake has a lot of room to improve; his free throws, his jumper, and his defense all need work. Love has all of those except defense, and that is why I think Love is better. Griffin can be better than Love, but unless he is better than him now, you can’t argue that Griffin is ranked higher than him.
But they aren't injured.
At the end of the day, you don’t rank players on where they may or may not be, you rank them on where they are. I will be the first one to support you when you say Griffin has all the potential in the world, but numerous people claimed that about Livingston, Bynum, etc. Just because they had a ton of potential (or at least they were said to) it doesn’t mean they were top players. And don’t give me the whole injury excuse, remember, Griffin was out for a WHOLE SEASON.
Were taking two different thing
I’m talking who I keep for the best intrest of my franchise being the Clippers and there current and future success.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I can honestly say
I have never posted on silver screen and roll but to make a heading post saying Kobe for Howard is a no brainer just seems very disrespectful how is it my place to make a fan post on a laker site appropriate
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Implying
That Blake for Dwight is a no brainer is very insulting in my opinion it implies that one does not have brains. A trade like this would take alot of brains and tons of consideration but to say a no brainer is obtuse. This would clearly be a great trade for magic and could not imagine a better situation for then but we would be clearly bailing them out in what could become alopsided bad trade down the road.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree to that.
But that honestly has nothing to do with the top 10 argument. I was not happy with his “no brainer” post either if it helps.
This post
Is about that and i’m not saying you can’t participate in our blogs or even create your own blogs with the simple idea in mind that your a guest cause that is certainty how I would treat your respected site.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed
The top ten thing was kinda thrown in there. I think ppl can rank top ten on alot of different guidlines I also belive certain players dont work in every situation so its very subjective.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 10:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Please people..
If you hate the Lakers, do not assume that all Laker fan hate the Clippers.
I root for a freeway series between the Angels and Dodgers.
I want the Clippers and Lakers to face of in Westen Conference Finals.
I want the Kings and Ducks to slug it out in Westen Conference Finals.
A couple of things.
Nobody cares about the NHL. The Angels and Dodgers are far from rivals. The Clippers and Lakers are in some sort of rivalry. So when it comes down to it, lets say in the WCF, you know you will be siding with the Lakers, and that is what makes us different. I think it is fine to root for a different team, personally I like the Clippers and the Bulls, but I just like the Bulls because I think Rose is a great guy. They aren’t by any means rivals, but during a Clippers/Chicago game, I know who I am rooting for 100%. So go ahead, say all you want that you want both of them to be successful, you will eventually have to choose 1.
Your excuse
I like the Clippers some so I can wright propaganda on the clipper nation instead of my own teams.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:16 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So who its going to be the one
To write a blog on the Fairweather fan
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
100%
But what percent does a Fairweather fan use.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
But
You want the lakers to win which is why we are asking you as clipper nation to have respect when creating your own post about our players in a disrespectful way.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:14 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Are you arguing with yourself?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Now, now, don't be mean.
But still, mason, you gotta let other people reply or you should put all your thoughts in one post.
Sorry.
It seemed like that though.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 2, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
YES I will root for the LAkers, Angels and Ducks
So now what? I cleary stated that my #1 team is Lakers then #2 is Clippers.
But that does not mean I cannot state my opinion of what I think is the best for the Clippers. I still think Howard for Griffin is a no brainer talent wise (and if you want to win a championship now).
@masonjoussa: I do not need a lesson from you about respect. I do not talk trash about the Clippers while you mouth off the Laker players and its fan.
A no brainer
For the magic! they couldn’t get better then the beast!! Which they won’t !
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Garbage talk
Go post that on the lakers site and chat amongst yourself
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Like I said, it's not that the Clippers are your #2 team.
It’s that your #1 team is the Lakers, the Clippers closest thing to a rival. I just don’t find it that appealing that you support two teams that hate eachother, Also, it’s not that the trade isn’t completely out there, but the fact that you keep calling it a “no brainer” insults Blake Griffin. He is a solid player and you overlook his talent. That is what bothers me. Your allegiance is to the Lakers, I would suggest you worry about your own roster.
Also you seemed to think that rooting for rivalry teams was a bit absurd.
When I put the Heat’s name out there, you made it sound like a travesty. Personally, I think the Lakers-Clippers is more of a rivalry than the Lakers-Heat. Why? Well let’s be honest, rivalries are meant to be between two somewhat even teams. The Clippers were never even or really that close to even with the Lakers, but now that they are, there are talks about a rivalry. I’m sure if the Heat were asked if the Lakers were a rival team, they would laugh. Why? The Lakers aren’t even CLOSE to the Heat.
If you believe they are rivals..
do not force me to believe that they are. We have different perceptions. For me the Lakers rival are the Celtics, Pistons, and Knicks. If you want to believe they are rivals, then I don’t care, that is your belief.
That is just as insulting.
I think those are franchise rivals, but a team and players will make their own enemies. For example, do you really think that Kobe and Pierce are rivals? No, the rivalry was Magic and Bird. Pistons I’m not quite sure aside from the whole you losing to them a couple years back. Knicks, that is also a franchise rivalry. Are you telling me that if a rivalry sparked up between Kobe and LeBron a couple years back, you would claim the Cavaliers to be your rivals? No. Rivalries are started by players; the only valid rivalry you have up there is the one with the Celtics, but that is because they played a couple years back in the finals and it was a good series. But the fact that you feel it isn’t a rivalry shows that you think highly of your Lakers; even if you can’t admit it is a rivalry, you can’t merely say these are normal games. There is always a chippyness and a different atmosphere during those games now.
yes that is one big reason..
The Rivalry between the Lakers and Celtics are undeniable, they are the two most storied franchise. The Pistons during the Bad Boys Era and when they beat the lakers easily in 2004. Then the Knicks, rivalries between two most valuable teams.
Again do not assume. I never stated Pierce and Kobe as Rivals. Kobe and Lebron are Rivals (the then versus now) and whichever teams they are can be concluded as rivals.
That's exactly my point.
If NOBODY on the opposing team is seen as a rival by the players, then it isn’t a rivalry. Yes, Lakers and Celtics will be rivals forever, but that is because it is a FRANCHISE rivalry. The Clippers and Lakers don’t have a history of a rivalry, but just the way they play points to the fact that it is more than a normal game. I don’t see that in ANY OTHER Laker game, do you? Do you see the Lakers pushing back, getting T’s and talking trash about any other teams? I don’t.
Look
If you see them as Rival, I do not care and do not object. But do not force me to think they are rival because I don’t. An example is (during the 1999-2004) if there’s a game between the Clippers and the Lakers, I want the Clippers to win. (since the Lakers are so dominant that time and the Clippers need wins badly).
Lol
This guy taking about rooting for the Clippers cause he’s first team the lakers were so dominant.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Love
How he finds away to always mention the lakers with higher praise while acting like he giving it to the Clippers.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:50 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I can honestly say
Besides the obvious on court rival with the players which you have to be blind not to see. Like Kobe and Paul talkingg trash pau and his LIL head grab, artest trying to stir the pot and mostly the Lil cheap shots after the fouls or on the floor fighting for ball when you can’t see everything happening. but its laker fans like this that are creating a rivalry amongst us fans.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I would be mad
At mavs and Clippers right now as a laker player.Mavs embarsed then last year and stole ODOM this year andClippers cause there mad about cp3 and the clear upgrade at all positions .
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Your right
This trade its not out of the picture but it would take allot of consideration and alot of brains!!
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Its insulting
To say if we want to win a championship now its a no brainer to make that trade!!! To win now we fill out our bench and if Dwight wants to come as a free agent after we win well talk about it.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with that.
I’m just not a fan of HUGE deals right now. We got CP3, let’s give THIS team a chance to win. If they got knocked out in the first round, then maybe we look to change something up. I’m sure if we played around with our roster and made some trades here and there, we can have a championship caliber team, but this isn’t 2k11, there aren’t a bunch of trades to be looming around here.
+1
You tell me who can say.this team is not capable of winning.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Till we fail
We need to relize were just clicking and on the rise.we beat heat blazers lakers nugets mavs and thunder tied with Denver second best in west.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
In a polite way
I think the lakers have plenty more to think about.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:35 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I believe Mike Brown said they were still "searching".
I don’t know what he was searching for, but it seems like there is less thinking about how to improve and more thinking about how to trade for a star player. They seem intrigued by getting these big name stars, but I think they should be looking at their roster and filling in their holes. Frankly, Dwight wouldn’t make them a contending team. Deron would.
I herd
Ramon session or Calderon.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The Lakers have 1 noticeable issue.
They have no average-decent player assets to trade. Coming into the season, the only viable trades they could pull off included a trade with Odom/Gasol/Bynum, aside from that, their roster has nothing valuable. Odom could have fetched them a solid PG, but they decided they wanted him out ASAP. Gasol is too good to trade for an OK PG, but he isn’t good enough to trade for an elite PG. Same thing with Bynum. And unless Pau is traded for Deron, Laker fans won’t be happy.
Picks
I don’t know if Calderon is worth more than picks and expirings if the Lakers want to take the contract, sessions might be had for a pick also.
Lakers picks always turn out to be bad.
I suppose they may have decent picks this year, but the Lakers picks are usually late 1st rounders or weak 2nd rounders.
This is a deep draft
Toronto and Cleveland aren’t going anywhere, i will take the Lakers pick if i were them.
That's true.
I’m just saying, I’m sure you can find better draft picks than the Lakers.
i am no that sure
You take out all the rebuilding teams, then all the teams that are better than the Lakers, teams that are set at PG and that can take the salaries (the Lakers do have that Odom trade exception) and i don’t think the list of teams is that big Lakers can also offer the Dallas first rounder.
Not Always.
Goudelock, Morris, and Ebanks are doing just fine with the Lakers. Marc Gasol is starting for Memphis.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
Goudelock, Morris and Ebanks are inconsistent and their minutes have been cut down drastically.
Goudelock is the most consistent out of all of them, but the fact that he is merely an undersized 2 guard makes him less appealing, not to mention being more consistent than the other 2 really doesn’t say much. Morris seems like he is a PG who dribbles way too much. His decision making is sub par and I think his only strong point is the upped tempo he creates (which doesn’t fit too well on a team like the Lakers). Ebanks seemed to be doing a good job, but his time was cut down for one reason or another. These players have shown that they can be okay at times, but they aren’t anything special. I’m not sure if LA teams have good scouts or if 2nd rounders just became stronger (i.e. Thompkins seems like a decent player), but I don’t think that you can say they are good from their limited playing time. Also, Marc Gasol is a fluke; there are only a handful of second rounders who become that dominant.
The only fluke, is that he fell into our laps.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Lakers
Beat us on there home court when clicking on all cylinders a rarity and Clippers had aoff game with a rusty cp3 still they only squeked by.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
We still lost.
Fair and square, we will have to wait till next game. I’m not a fan of players making excuses. They beat us, we have to try harder; you have to adjust if you aren’t playing well. Personally, I felt we were going to lose after watching 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter. We knew the Lakers had a run in them, but our game plan never really changed even though we had a tiny lead.
No excuse
A observation they went and lost the next game cause they didnt play like they did against the they did win fair and square and I think if they always play like that they will win more often.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Lakers certainly weren't clicking on all cylinders.
I think the Clippers are certainly a better team right now, but don’t make that game out to be a fluke. Even when you’re better than a team, you can still lose to them without it being a fluke.
Yes we lost fair and square.
But it is also hard to say that the Lakers weren’t clicking on all cylinders. Pau was shooting an extremely high % and so was Goudelock. Fisher hit 3/3 3 pointers and Kobe scored and assisted. They were definitely playing some of their best basketball.
Ok well
Gasol played well much improved artest plays with extra hustle and heart bynum made key plays and Kobe made sure nothing footy out of hand and when it did a LIL he kept you right there. That its a great way for the lakers to click on all cylinders and your benched steped up with gludlock .
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
To answer both of you,
The Lakers defensive intensity was terrible aside from MWP, and Matt Barnes and the bench played mediocre at best.
While I thought Caron played a great game within his role, the fact that he was as open as he was for the first 11 points of the game(Which are just as important as any other points) was sad. Our help D on Blake was bad, despite the fact that it (should be, at least) one of our better defensive aspects.
While Kobe played a good game, his passing wasn’t anything over the top for him, it’s actually right on his season average.
As far as Gasol, Gasol is just a hard matchup for Griffin, who’s still learning to play defense in the NBA as is. Pau played really well against the Clippers last season.
We also just turned the ball over too much, which is a recurring theme, but not so much as it was against the Clips.
While I was glad to get a win, and you’re right that we played well in some regards, that definitely wasn’t some of our best ball this year (I can name 3 instances of better ball by a very significant amount, in my opinion.) and I personally took away too many negatives to call it clicking on all cylinders.
I personally don't agree.
The Lakers defense seemed fine to me. Then again, the Clippers defense isn’t anything spectacular so I guess my comparison may be somewhat off. And Matt Barnes and your bench played mediocre at best? How often will you see them have huge nights? Sorry, but to be completely blunt, you should NOT expect anything out of your bench. When some no name player scores 14 or 15 points (Glock) I hardly think that means your bench is terrible. Your bench is poor and you can’t act as if just because they didn’t have great nights your bench was something weighing you down, why? You shouldn’t expect big things out of your bench players, especially when they haven’t proven anything.
Sometimes Caron is just hot, actually, most games he gets hot. True, this was extremely early on in the game, but sooner or later he was going to make an individual run; if you don’t watch Clipper games, he almost ALWAYS has those runs, even if there is solid defense on him. He gets in the zone and he is extremely difficult to stop.
You can’t expect to contain Blake. His strength and acrobatic moves will punish any player or any defense. That’s what makes him such a solid player.
The fact is Kobe’s strength that game was that he got his teammates involved. True, his assists may not have been off the chart, but you tell me, how often will Kobe get his team mates involved as compared to him chucking up shots. Kobe played a solid game, even if his stats didn’t show it, he helped them even more than usual via his passing and less shooting.
Gasol is a hard matchup for Blake? Gasol was on fire, you can’t deny that. What happened to Gasol when he played the Bucks? He was non existent. You can say what you want, but Gasol rarely has those types of games, and it wasn’t just because Blake’s defense. Pau was knocking down most of his shots, and he hasn’t been consistent in that field.
When you play a team with Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, you should expect them to get steals. You turned the ball over too much? I have watched Laker games and that is a CONSTANT problem of theirs.
Honestly, I have watched the Lakers, and there haven’t been many games where they did all that you said + what they did that night. You seem to want perfection out of the Lakers, and if that doesn’t happen, then their cylinders weren’t clicking? Well, ideally, we would want Brian Cook to make a couple of 3 pointers, Reggie Evans to get 20 rebounds, Griffin to make 90% of his free throws, and Foye to shoot lights out. We don’t expect that, just like you shouldn’t expect all of this from the Lakers on most nights.
If you don't feel like reading my long post, here is its basic summary.
You make it sound like the Lakers should expect all these things and then some. You shouldn’t expect their bench to do well, because their bench is poor. You got 15 points from Glock and you should be happy. Your defense wasn’t terrible, it’s just the Clippers find ways to score. Caron often gets hot and there is no stopping him, only he stops himself. Kobe’s stats may not have reflected it, but he really facilitated throughout the game. You can’t say that Griffin just had a hard time guarding Pau; Pau was on fire and not many defenders would have slowed him down. You should expect turnovers, Clippers like to steal it and the Lakers like to turn it over.
Read it
Your right and if that were the case with pau why did he say all that stuff the day before it obviously got him going.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Sigh. You're not understanding what I'm saying. Maybe I'm just tired.
the rest of the bench* by the way. I know Glock had a good game, but he has every game since we started giving him minutes. I wasn’t discrediting the Clippers scoring.
Caron was wide open on each 3, but this is just playing the memory game unless we can pull up some highlights. That said, I’ve been a fan of Caron since he was a Husky, and I’m pretty sure I can’t remember a time where he took 3 straight contested 3s, feeling it or not. He doesn’t take a ton of 3s as is, and he’s too smart a player to play like that.
Clippers force 14 TOVs a game. Lakers drop 14 a game. They gave up 16. That’s more than you can expect, and 2 turnovers is a significant difference. And I’m upset with every game the Lakers drop more than 12. :/
The backhanded compliment at Kobe confuses me. Kobe had a 36% usage rate. He “chucked” like he always does, just like he passed like he always does. This was a pretty unremarkable night for Kobe on the season.
I wasn’t talking about containing Blake. I was talking about our big bulky shot blocking 7 footer doing… Something. His help defense has been bad this year, but it’s been especially bad against other bigs. While I don’t expect any one to “contain” Blake, I don’t expect him to have one of his best and most efficient games of the season when he primarily scores where the Lakers’ defense should be it’s best; on the interior.
I don’t expect perfection, at all, from the Lakers, or their bench. Especially their bench. But here’s some fun stats for you on Matt Barnes, Troy Murphy, Josh McRoberts, Devin Ebanks, and MWP. In 77 minutes of combined play, from forwards (and a center) they gave us 9 rebounds and shot a rocking 2 for 8, with 0 fouls drawn. That isn’t “clicking”, the only thing that clicked was defense from MWP. These 5 players-Matt Barnes and the rest of the bench aside from Goud-played bad games, with one exception on one side of the ball.
The biggest disconnect is this;
I don’t expect amazing things from this Lakers team. But I’ve seen them play a lot better than they did the night they beat the Clippers. And “clicking on all cylinders” implies that most if not all things the Lakers had control of were going well. A lot of things the Lakers had control of didn’t go well, at all. The Clippers don’t usually shoot the way they shot from the perimeter, and that’s the reason they lost. And considering how terrible Fisher’s defense is, and how good the point guard rotation for the Clippers is, I would hardly call a win like this “some of our best ball”, and I’m sure that there’s reasons the Clippers would feel the same. This was a weird game, with weird things, and seriously negative takeaways, from my point of view.
Here is what I believe.
Yes, Caron was wide open, but you don’t seem to follow Caron as much as you say. Since he was taking by the Clippers, nearly every game he gets in the zone. He will keep shooting until he misses, a heat check is what they call it. I’m saying that whether you put a hand in his face or he was wide open, if he is feeling it, like he was, it made little to no difference.
Blake had a solid game because he had to score more than usual. Mo Williams, Billups, CP3, Foye, and Gomes had a TERRIBLE shooting night (something along the lines of 18-53 I believe) so obviously they weren’t looking to keep throwing up shots. When your perimeter game isn’t working, then you go inside, hence Griffin’s raised stats.
The turnovers, I was not at all surprised. The Clippers are much younger with quicker hands, the Lakers are often sloppy with the ball. This leads me to believe that the Clippers will take a couple more balls away from the Lakers than other teams do.
You act as if your bench and Matt Barnes had serious deficiencies. To me, if two bench players give good production, MWP and Glock in this case, it’s a good bench night from you. I have watched Laker games, my house is full of Laker fans, and I know that their bench is mediocre. You can’t say they weren’t clicking because they were playing their normal mediocre night. Not to mention MWP was claimed to be the hero of that game, but you claim he was only good on defense. That made all the difference, and quiet frankly, you shouldn’t expect him to score because he is offensively challenged for the most part.
Finally, I honestly haven’t seen them “play a lot better than they did the night they beat the Clippers.” Tell me, what other elite teams did they beat? If I recall, they beat and ungelled Utah team twice, and a Nuggets team who missed a game changing LAYUP. Your Lakers aren’t as strong as you make them out to be. From my viewpoint, the Clippers had one of their worst nights while the Lakers got more contributions than they normally do. Kobe wasn’t required to get a ton of points and he acted as if he was a PG (if you notice, they often LOSE those games when Kobe gets hot because he takes away possessions from other teammates), Pau had a hot night (something you can’t claim to be consistent), and the Lakers MWP and Glock had stellar games (a surprisingly helpful stat that you can’t really expect every night)
You're not refuting what I'm saying.
First, please don’t tell me who I do and don’t watch, thanks. :/ I watch and follow every UConn alum, and have their entire NBA careers. And after years of seeing statistical evidence against it, and being coached to ignore it, I don’t believe in being “in the zone”.
This is the problem.
Kobe wasn’t required to get a ton of points and he acted as if he was a PG (if you notice, they often LOSE those games when Kobe gets hot because he takes away possessions from other teammates),
This is not addressing what I said, and not true.
You act as if your bench and Matt Barnes had serious deficiencies. To me, if two bench players give good production, MWP and Glock in this case, it’s a good bench night from you. I have watched Laker games, my house is full of Laker fans, and I know that their bench is mediocre. You can’t say they weren’t clicking because they were playing their normal mediocre night.
Mediocre=/=Attrocious. 6 rotation players played well below their standard of mediocreness. They played with an all-new suck. It’s not about if the bench is bad, but how bad, and as I’ve shown, it was especially sucky.
Pau had a hot night (something you can’t claim to be consistent), and the Lakers MWP and Glock had stellar games (a surprisingly helpful stat that you can’t really expect every night)
I never said they didn’t.
Blake had a solid game because he had to score more than usual. Mo Williams, Billups, CP3, Foye, and Gomes had a TERRIBLE shooting night (something along the lines of 18-53 I believe) so obviously they weren’t looking to keep throwing up shots. When your perimeter game isn’t working, then you go inside, hence Griffin’s raised stats.
Well, firstly, 53 perimeter shots isn’t exactly taking it to the whole, but whatever. Anyways, my point isn’t about Griffin’s decision making. Griffin obviously played a good and smart game. But that doesn’t change a guy going 7 for 10 from within 4 feet, much less getting 4 shots from within 4 feet, when the only strong part of the Lakers defense is their interior. This quote is a perfect example of not refuting what I’m saying. I get that Griffin was smart, that’s not my point at all.
Tell me, what other elite teams did they beat? If I recall, they beat and ungelled Utah team twice, and a Nuggets team who missed a game changing LAYUP. Your Lakers aren’t as strong as you make them out to be.
I never said they were strong, I said they had 3 better played nights. As I’m sure you’ll realize now that you have a good and winning team, you can win on nights where you have issues to address, and you can lose on nights where you did a lot of things right and shots just didn’t fall. If I had to choose, I’d say the Lakers had the former and the Clippers had the latter.
This argument is super circular though, since I’ve posted the same thing in different wording 3 times now to try to epxlain myself. You can have the last word.
A couple of things.
Maybe the 3 or 4 Laker games that I missed were the games in which they played better. But when you play only a few good games compared to the other, more numerous lackluster games, you should expect the latter.
Also, I don’t see how you deny that someone can be in a “zone.” Remember T-Mac’s 13 in 35? They put up crazy defense on him and he made every shot, whether it be a contested 3 or a 3 in which he was fouled in.
My point wasn’t that they were all taking it into the whole, I was trying to point out that when your perimeter shooters aren’t working out, you go to your bigs. And for the Clippers, Griffin is the one to look for on offense down low. Yes, he played a good and smart game, but he does nearly every game. Your interior defense hasn’t proven much, so I don’t see why you expect think it to be that good. Drew Gooden? Millsap? The fact is, you aren’t seeing MY point. When you play a good big man, no matter how good your interior defense is, if his offense is better, then there is not much to do to stop him. But seriously, I don’t think the Lakers interior D is as tough as you claim it to be.
Like against
The bobcats lol
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:32 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
completly agree
I don’t want any big trades when this team seems to be a sure tittle contender, we are now second in the west and the team seems to be geling i would hate to see a big trade mess with that.
Eh, I wouldn't say SURE title contender.
Yes I think we will put up a solid fight in the playoffs, but let’s not go overboard. The bench is extremely important come playoff time, and we just don’t have that. Not to mention our defense often gives up pretty wide open looks.
you are probably right
However we have defeated almost every potential playoff threat but Chicago, i didn’t call us tittle favorites, we are the second team in the west i would say we are at least contenders.
Here is my only problem with that.
We had to play EXCEPTIONAL nights to take home those wins. If we didn’t get those 4 3 pointers, I would most likely bet we lose that game. Same thing with Denver, if Chauncey didn’t have his season game, we would have gone home with an L.
Denver is tough
Were lucky we got out alive butt okc felt good cause coming back from Denver we could have dropped the ball but instead played a statement game.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That's why I Said
Id rather work on our bench in responce to winning it allthis year via Dwight Howard Griffin brainless trade we need a Lil more depth.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Another good big
Would expell DJ create havok and hustle with Evans and also let its mess with a three guard line up more for our second unit.
by masonjoussa on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Our bench has enough issues on defense.
A 3 guard lineup on the bench won’t do us any good.
Depends
Foye and bilups can guard some back up SFs.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree
Its not always going to work and is very unorthodox but out is a wild card to throw sets off. Gomes really not making to much of a case either.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:01 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Class
I visited the lakers famed silver screen and roll blog spot to see how we fair in posting on there site. I was surpised to see one but upon reading it I was amazed with the respect and class to congratulate then,tell then how much you enjoyed the competitiveness from both teams and that you look forward to future match ups basically win or lose. What we recive from what I hope is not a representative for the laker fan base is a trade we dont make is BRAINLESS! We then have to put up with an excuse that the Clippers are his 2nd favorite team to give him a better understanding of what we need.so I ask Clipper nation how can we keep it classy with this clear alian invasion.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM PST via Android app reply actions
DO YOU SEE HOW WE WELCOMED HIM ONTO OUR SITE?
NICELY AND WITH RESPECT?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
Learn how to spell.
You could just click on the squiggly lines. And maybe try to listen to the other point of view.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
Also happy February everyone.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 7:36 AM PST reply actions
Wow, I just opens this Fan Post
May I suggest a couple bloggers on this thread either exchange email addresses or get a room.
"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"
On SSR, there is a thing where you could do just that.
:D
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 1, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
So I was checking out the "All Purpose Trade Scenario" thread in SSR.
A lot of their trades seemed to be far off, yet a couple of others over there say it is reasonable/fair (They didn’t mention sarcasm, and by the looks of it, they were telling the truth). This is what really makes me wonder about some of the supposed trade scenarios:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7moc7fl
Is there any reason that Houston wouldn’t just hang up on the Lakers on the spot?
They really over value Gasol
The reason they thnk those are reasonable trades is because they assume the Rockets are still willing to do the Gasol trade they don’t realize that circumstances have change, that the reason Rockets were willing to do that trade was to pursue another big man, Lowry has also improve into a top PG, IMO Lakers should have done the Gasol deal with Houston even after Paul was off the table Gasol for Lowry and Scola would have been great for both team in the pre-season. Kobe-Lowry-Bynum-Scola would have been pretty good. And Houston would’ve had Gasol-other big they might have acquire-Martin.
Lowry wasn't on the table.
Maybe they would have thrown him in, but now, I doubt Houston would trade him at all.
Rumored
Rockets interested in Chris Kaman.
by masonjoussa on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Supernerd.
I have grown to respect you for several reasons; this is a rarity for me and Laker fans. However, I was wondering if you truly believe this statement and then you truly believe your offer is not a tad far fetched.
3) Mo Williams, LAC: After landing CP3 and picking up Chauncey Billups on waivers, the Clippers suddenly found themselves with an overload of PG’s. With Eric Bledsoe returning from injury, Mo Williams is all but expendable at this point. The question is whether Donald Sterling will be able to fight his instinct to shed salary in exchange for the Lakers 8.9 million trade exception by dealing the Clippers current 6th man to their Staples Center co-tenants.
You then said that you could offer Glock and then another Laker fan replied “Uh No.” Do you believe that Glock really holds that high of value? Also, I find the writing style of this particular “possible addition” to be a little annoying. The writer under values Mo Williams and he also tries to take a cheap shot at Donald Sterling as if the trade exception is a no brainer. Just wanted your 2 cents, seeing as if I replied on the SSR, I would be attacked and at the same time I would show a lack of class as a Clipper fan.
But yes, I did reply to someone on SSR.
It was fueled by disgust in the undervaluing of Mo.
I don't actually think Glock is at Mo's level yet.
I was just saying that because the same poster previously said he enjoyed Glock’s style of play. I also do not think Donald Sterling would trade Mo for our trade exception. (though he has made some questionable decisions, you have to admit)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 3, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Could you post the link, I would like to see this.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 3, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I assume you found it.
Seeing as you replied.
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2012/2/1/2763215/possible-additions-to-this-years-squad
Also, I think LakersforEva is the kind of fan that I tend to REALLY dislike.
no, just dont want the chucker or his contract on the lakers.
Seems a bit hypocritical coming from what I assume to be a Kobe fan? No doubt, he is still a top NBA player, but he is the definition of a chucker and his contract is almost as bad as Joe Johnsons. (okay, not really haha)
"Yet"
I agree, Glock MAY be able to get to Mo’s level in the future, if he has a very good work ethic and if he can stay consistent. Personally, I think this is why the Lakers’ bench will have some struggles for quite some time. (Aside from Odom last year, their bench was weak). Honestly, Goudelock is nowhere near a solid player. He is averaging 4 points and not 1 in anything else. He can shoot, but I don’t think he is even as good as Randy Foye. And totally! I agree, Sterling has made some questionable decisions, but the decision is also up to Olshey a great deal now.
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