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Mike D'Antoni, anyone?

We've just seen the first head roll regarding the NBA's ever-changing Coaching Carousel and it's hard to argue Mike D'Antoni looks to be on the outs in New York.

I think it's really strange that he's getting so much heat; it's not his fault. Dolan (and Glenn Grunwald is it now?) have totally shifted the direction of the team without the consent of its head coach.

Let's get this straight. Mike D'Antoni is a GOOD coach. His system is GOOD. I don't like how people say Seven Seconds or Less will never win a championship. Those Suns teams were dealt raw hands in crucial times: the Joe Johnson concussion against DAL, the suspensions of Amar'e and Diaw against SAS, Steve Nash's bloody nose that just wouldn't quit (again) against SAS, and finally Tim Duncan banking in a lucky three that would've given the Nash-Shaq Suns home court (yet again) against SAS.

It's ludicrous that D'Antoni, whose system relies on a PG, has been asked to use Chris Duhon, then Toney Douglas, now rookiee Iman Shumpert as his starting PG.

What a waste.

And I am STILL laughing at Mike Woodson being brought in as the "Defensive Coordinator". Pardon me, but what about ANYTHING in his six years in ATL shows the man knows defense?

Now regarding LAC. I suppose VDN deserves one more year, but please understand, this guy sucks.

What does Clips Nation think about going after Mike D'Antoni in the off-season? CP3-Blake has the potential to smoke Nash-Amar'e.

The wild card here is DeAndre Jordan. D'Antoni has NEVER had a defensive minded center that can run and gun with his system. DJ meshes perfectly.

It should also be noted the D'Antoni/Nash Suns were never Warrior-esque on D. They weren't lock-down by any means, but they played decent defense.

Adequate defense, a POWERHOUSE offense like we're currently seeing (hello six turnovers last night), and two of the best competitors in the game in Blake and CP3 SHOULD be able to win a chip.

There is no team like the Spurs standing in our way, either. The West is wide open and looks to be for the next couple of years.

I say make the move.

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How much of his success is attributed to S.Nash though?

If we presume he needs a good PG to run his system, then wouldn’t the success be more attributed to the PG necessarily, than the actual coach? I’m guessing outside of things like timeouts and rotations, VDN stays out of the way of the team on offense. C.Paul and C.BIllups are doing the real coaching. Granted, M.D’Antoni could produce better rotations I guess, but i’m assuming any “competent coach” could do that too.

If the team were to aim for a new coach, I’d prefer it be a proven defensive minded coach. That would be something the team could use more coaching on.

by UC.Clipper on Jan 5, 2012 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

I firmly believe systems matter. We have a team that would mesh perfectly with D'Antoni's style of ball.

The glamorous hire would be Phil Jackson, but again, systems matter, and the triangle is a horrible fit for our personnel. We have multiple play-makers and shooters, all who are able to run. Seems tailor-made.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

One word nope!

Defense wins championships.

by ENCUEROMAN on Jan 5, 2012 3:58 PM PST reply actions  

exactly

"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Jan 7, 2012 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly

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by peterghost on Jan 7, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No. No. NO.

Absolutely not. If we can run a high-octane offense under VDN, we can run one under just about any highly-regarded coach. It’s defense and rebounding that needs work, certainly not offense.

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by 82-0 on Jan 5, 2012 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

I would definitely prefer a defensive minded coach...

we’re fine on O, but seem scattered and confused on D. Someone like the new guy in Toronto, Dwane Casey… oh wait

by blowbyability on Jan 5, 2012 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Casey has toronto playing some pretty good defense.

he was my vote a few years ago, but Im not on the fire VDN train just yet. I think his substitutions have been bad at times, but he is a young coach, so he deserves more time.

by indy818 on Jan 5, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Casey was who I wanted a two years ago before VDN got hired. We needed Casey. He’s a defensive whiz.

by FlyByKnight on Jan 6, 2012 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Same

But then VDN somehow magically appeared and won the job somehow. Didn’t the basketball guys want Casey and DTS wanted VDN?

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe so. Can’t say I’m shocked.

by FlyByKnight on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

i’m good with cp3 and billups coaching.

lets hire sam cassell after VDNs contract is up this year.

by hans007 on Jan 5, 2012 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Coaches don't matter ;-)

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

hahahah

good one Jax. Not sure if your nemisis is here. Go MDSr.

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by oasisman on Jan 5, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yah - not that I would endorce D'Antoni but

They would have reached the finals one year if Amare hadn’t gotten that BS suspension

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

There's nothing for him to be relentlessly pessimistic about...

other than VDN, but he’s also obsessed with that ridiculous “coaches don’t matter” mantra, so that takes care of that. That probably explains why he’s not around.

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by 82-0 on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

No he's an MDSr lover so Olshey's great

Success flies in the face of his basic arguments.

He’s done here.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
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by Jax on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

The fact that he’s disappeared now that times are good shows his true colors. He was clearly never a Clippers fan — his motives for being here simply had to do with stirring up trouble. Unlike all the rest of us arguers/trouble-makers, he never had a positive word to say about the team, ever. He never even celebrated good victories, and often pulled this same disappearing act during the rare winning streaks. Then as soon as the losing started, there he was again.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I love John R?

If anything, I disagree with him. I hated MDSr (I even wrote a post while he was in charge saying he should resign), and I am a full supporter of Olshey (see a post I wrote recently singing his praises). But, I also disagree with calling out members who aren’t even involved in a thread, and the apparent rivalries that have built up on here. We’re all Clipper fans, otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with his basketball opinions

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I still am confused

about the remark that I “love John R”… I never really interacted with him even. And way back when I first started commenting on this website, I sided with you, Jax, against John R and CC… So I don’t understand where this is coming from.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

i think he was joking and refering to boltsfan

But i could be wrong, he is responding to your post saying ’ he is just saying that’ wouldn’t it be ‘you are just saying that’ if he was refering to you.

by XXDC2XX on Jan 6, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense

when I read it, I read it as him talking to Jax, 82-0, etc. regarding my post.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure what he meant either

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Jan 9, 2012 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

spot on

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 9, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes...

because he was able to muster up some pathetic faux-outrage over the Reggie Evans “crotchgate” from YEARS ago when we signed him. He of course got called out by everyone else on his bullshit.

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by 82-0 on Jan 6, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually with CP3 and Billups at the point...

…this may be one instance where they don’t.

by shay on Jan 5, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

puff, puff

PASS!

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by banandy on Jan 5, 2012 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

The wild card here is DeAndre Jordan. D'Antoni has NEVER had a defensive minded center that can run and gun with his system. DJ meshes perfectly.

well technically he has one right now in tyson chandler? what are you talking about

but i see your point. d’antoni is a good coach, but he’s not the coach we need. but all aboard the “get rid of vinny” trade. he sucks. he might be masking his deficiencies with cp3 and billups, but he sucks. we need a real coach who can make real adjustments and who can coach some championship caliber basketball.

not like those are easy to find but you get my drift…

by Dawool Huh on Jan 5, 2012 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

sad thing

I was a big proponent of getting a guy like D’antoni after watching all the stupid endless iso sets from MDSr. Definitely thought the clips needed an offensive overhaul.

Right now, it’s looking more like CP3 knows how to run an offense, but need a little help orchestrating a defense. I think having a defensive minded coach is more important than offensive with CP3. Look at how Monty Williams did with CP3 and really no one else. I remember Monty went into the new job just pushing his defense, and literally handed the offense to CP3 and learned what CP3 wanted to do. They went into last season on a roll with stifling defense.

From D’antoni’s coaching staff though, there is Mike Woodson, who I’ve always kinda liked, and known as a defensive coach. He also had problems with unimaginative offense in Atlanta, but if he came in with a similar mindset to Monty Williams, I think he would be a good fit with the clips.

by osamu on Jan 5, 2012 6:36 PM PST reply actions  

sorry missed the comment about Woodson

yea, I can’t say I watched much of Atlanta with woodson either, so maybe I’m just basing that on reputation as well. Atlanta seemed to do alright under Woodson, but I guess he’s mostly known for his defense as an assistant with Larry Brown and the 04 Pistons.

by osamu on Jan 5, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly my thoughts. It seems that CP3 has no problems on offense. He is a smart point guard who always goes in with a plan, not to mention him and Chauncey are always talking to the team. And when Monty Williams came in, they went on that hot 8-0 start. They only ended off poorly, because their roster had pretty big issues. Overall, I’m hoping we can find a strong defensive coach like the Bulls did in Tom T.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 5, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If everyone thinks our defense sucks now....

I have to echo those that have said we need a coach that value defense. ‘Antoni doesn’t even want to talk about it.

In the postseason, what matters most is defense and rebounding (our 2 biggest weaknesses atm). The pace is slowed and there are less possessions. If we we are going to take it to another level and solidify ourselves as a team that is a contender, then we need to have a more balanced attack. ’Antoni is more of the same. Injuries and suspensions can happen anywhere and anytime, but ’Antoni in the finals has never happened.

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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 5, 2012 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

Mike Budenholzer.. assistant coach for the Spurs

He would be great hire for us. Also, my dream coach would be Shaka Smart head coach for VCU, but I think he already signed a long term extension with them already :(

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by ClipperBEAST on Jan 5, 2012 8:07 PM PST reply actions  

surprisingly (and i cant believe im saying this)

but a rookie head coach is probably beneath us now. We should be looking to steal someone like Dwane Casey if he can make a semi-winner out of Toronto.

Nate McMillan is my favorite coach out there right now. He is a defensive minded coach who gets results even though he doesn’t get the respect he deserves (he surely didn’t get the props he deserved as a player).

by indy818 on Jan 5, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate doesn't get props from Portland's fans.

On message boards over the years, I’ve read Blazer fans voice their disinterest in Nate. I don’t know if it’s changed, but they were primarily upset that he seemed stuck in his ways with certain line-ups. I like him as a coach and I respect how he gets the team to produce even when they’re banged up. They’ve had seasons where their center rotation was worse then ours, but still managed to win 50+ (or near 50) with less than a full squad. I admire teams and their coaches that can get they’re players to buy into the system and outproduce their expectations or overcome obstacles. We’ve had coaches underachieve or fold when players get hurt.

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by Lawler 4ever on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

So that's a FIRM no?

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by Gordon for President on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

Not necessary to get D'Antoni

the Clips need to hire a elite defensive coach. The offense is easy, let CP3 decide what to do (or Billups if CP3 is resting) on that end.

Clips have a 3rd year option and VDN’s fate will rely on how the team does in the playoffs (if they don’t make the playoffs he’s obviously not coming back). If he’s badly out-coached by a Popovich, Karl, Carlisle etc then they probably look to upgrade with an Van Gundy.

On happier news the Lakers lost :) Clips in 1st! When’s the last time the Clips have been 1st in the pacific division? I think the Clippers started off 1-4 or worse the last few years.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Jan 6, 2012 12:59 AM PST reply actions  

Rick Adelman

I know he’s not a defensive coach but there is enough leadership on the team that players will be held accountable by other players if they play lazy on d.

I still see the offense needing much help.

Clippers have shown they can struggle against a very good defensive team.

IMO, there is a little too much ball stopping on offense, and too much reliance on screen and roll.

The Clippers right now have the athleticism and energy to make up for lack of defensive preparedness. But, the Clippers will find it hard when the screen and roll is stopped, and possessions are magnified in the postseason.

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 6, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree to a certain extent

But it is still only 5 games in. I’d venture that any team with 3 new starters and no training camp would look this way under any coach. If, in another 2 months, they’re still struggling against the better defensive teams the way the did in the opener in Chicago, I think that will be telling.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

which team doesn't struggle offensively against the Bulls?

they are the number 1 defense.

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

my main point is

defense is all effort

You can have the best defensive coach out there, but if guys aren’t hustling to close out. Teams will get uncontested shots all day.

You have to this point, no matter what opposition, the defense (especially by Blake) has been unsatisfactory.

It doesn’t matter if they played together. I see a lot of lollygagging on defense. Closeouts on the perimeter look half speed.

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 9, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

D'Antoni

If he is to be had as an assistant, then I would love that hiring. As a head coach, I don’t think he fits. While CP3 is has amazing vision and passing, his success has always been in the half-court offense. D’Antoni would be more to help Bledsoe and Mo Williams.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 1:08 AM PST reply actions  

I think

D’Antoni > VDN. If we have nothing else on the table, do it.

"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32

by JackduhSun on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

questionable

Do coaches matter in the NBA? Offensively, no. Defensively, yes. Any Steve Nash team will run a pick-and-roll and be up-tempo. It suits your best player. So, I suppose that when a coach inhibits his team’s offensive production with too many sets (see MDSr), he can have a negtive effect on his team, but the best that an NBA coach can do offensively is to get out of his smartest player’s way. CP3 and Billups run the Clipper’s offense.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I see this sentiment a lot

I frankly think offensive coaches help much more than defensive coaches

Systems work in basketball

Hence, the success of the triangle, and the success of Sloan running the flex for so many years.

I think defense is more about the players. It’s all about attitude. The Boston Celtics changed as soon as KG went to the team. Even though Doc Rivers was considered to be on the hot seat and a bad coach, before KG got there.

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were never considered defensive studs. But, everyone on the team bought in on KG and how every shot there needs to be a closeout, every time you get help you help the helper, every loose ball is dove for; his leadership forced people to focus and hustle on defense.

Blake Griffin is coming, hide your MBengas

by bacek on Jan 6, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I think I may have overstated it. I find that as you say, a system is good, but set plays tend to be restricting(besides, of course, on inbound plays). The Celtics also had TT as an assistant, who had a reputation of a great defensive whiz. When TT moved to Chicage, their defense improved as well.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Coach of the year?

This post kind of dovetails with something I’ve been thinking about — in a season w/o a pre-season, and no time during the season to coach — how can anybody be coach of the year? In the same way, bringing in a new coach at this point is kind of futile, unless it’s a question of his being ignored by the players.
VdN did not have time to integrate his new players, and as they’re so crucial to the team’s success, it’s really unfair this season — especially so early, to hold him accountable for missed rotations and poor rebounding practice. For all their talent, the Clips aren’t anywhere near their potential as a team. And no coach, starting at this time in this f’d up season, will turn them into one.

by pipedreams on Jan 6, 2012 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

Coaches rely on assistants to a large degree

So when we say “elite offensive coach” or “elite defensive coach,” it really doesn’t mean very much, except to indicate what types of assistants they will likely hire and focus on. The Clippers have a good (by reputation) defensive-oriented assistant coach that VDN hired as part of his staff. He hasn’t had the personnel prior to this year to really put something together. It is up to VDN to make sure that the team focuses on the defensive schemes created by the assistant.

I would suggest that we let the year play out, let the defensive schemes be set, let the players we have work within those schemes, and see what happens.

How VDN does with his in-game strategic calls will be interesting. MDSr was terrible at the “feel” of the game. VDN will have this year to work it out. He’s pretty lucky that he has a couple of very savvy vet leaders on the floor to guide him in that regard.

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Demopoulos?

Tell me why Nate McMillan let him go? And he’s not really considered a defensive master so much as he’s considered a master of the zone defense.
I don’t know if he’s any good. But the Clips weren’t good on team defense last year, and we don’t know much about this year.
So far I love what coach Paul is bringing to the team.

by John Raffo on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly!

Most of the coaching the Clippers will get this year will be on-the-court, and coming from Coaches Billups, Butler, and Paul.

by pipedreams on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

if the Hornets get sold

and want to bring in their own coach, would you guys want Monty Williams? Just thought it might be a possibility since new owners seem to like changing coaches, although that assumes someone want the Hornets, but I assume they’ll be sold eventually.

I’ve also heard scott skiles might be on his way out, although that feels like MDSr. round 2. He always seems to do pretty well his first couple years though.

by osamu on Jan 6, 2012 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

I'm calling the Hyperbole Police.

"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.

by Gordon for President on Jan 6, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, not Sterling.

But he’s at the absolute bottom of my coaching wishlist

by AudioDope on Jan 6, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Before Sterling,

We could just have a player-coach.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the BEST thing to do.

Is to try to impress CP3 enough so he resigns, and others like Blake will just follow. I would hope that he extends his contract by 3-4 years, and at that point, we can wait and then pick up Byron Scott. If we get Scott to a long term deal (4 years) I’m sure CP3 will stay with us as long as we have him, not to mention we will have an excellent coach. And just like we are now, we will be able to possibly entice bigger free agents into joining us. It is a pretty long plan, but I believe it could happen.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 7, 2012 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

The way the Knicks are playing

their fans would trade D’Antoni for VDN right now.

"Great Balls Of Fire, Reggie's Back!"

by PV Mike on Jan 7, 2012 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

Their fans would trade D'Antoni

For Brian Cook the way they are playing.

by SurfinQ00 on Jan 8, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope - system doesn't work in playoffs

as many excuses as you want, didn’t win a thing.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Jan 9, 2012 3:54 AM PST reply actions  

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