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Clippers Playoffs Outlook - How Does the West Look So Far?

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Obviously we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but what fun is a blog if you can't get way ahead of yourself? Besides, in this compressed 66 game season, we're already about 10% through the schedule, if you can believe that. So after about two weeks of NBA basketball, how do the Clippers playoff chances look?

The playoffs are the ultimate zero sum game. You can't analyze any one team's playoff outlook in a vacuum - you have to look at the entire Western Conference, because 8 teams are going to make the playoffs, whether there are 12 really good teams or only 4 really good teams. In the first week of the season, we've seen surprises, disappointments, and injuries that will likely affect the overall playoff picture.

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Surprises

Portland - The Trail Blazers have the best record in the Western Conference so far, defying all expectations and among their five victims are several West powers, such as the Thunder, the Lakers and the Nuggets. In fact, the Clippers' New Years Day win over the Blazers is their only loss, and is looking more and more impressive as Portland's hot start moves beyond the fluke stage. It's truly astounding that the Blazers are playing this well when you consider that as recently as 25 months ago, their foundational pieces were Brandon Roy and Greg Oden - Roy is now retired and Oden hasn't played in an NBA game since December of 2009. Imagine a Clippers team WITHOUT Blake Griffin and Chris Paul leading the conference a couple of weeks into the 2013-2014 season; and imagine they lost Griffin and Paul for NOTHING (which we shouldn't even imagine since it's the nightmare scenario that Mark Heisler and others envision). It's unfathomable. It's hard to imagine that Portland can sustain this, partly because they are relying on two of the five oldest players in the NBA in their front court, but hats off to them so far.

Denver - Not everyone is surprised by the Nuggets, but I am. While the Heat and Knicks and Clippers and Lakers have scrambled to build top-heavy teams dominated by superstars and filled out by marginal talents, the Nuggets have bucked that years-old NBA trend and built a deep, balanced team. The Nuggets do not have a single All Star on their roster (though Nene has had some All Star worthy seasons) - but they're 5-2 on the young season. Instead they have six players averaging between 10 and 17 points per game, and 11 playing 10 minutes or more. The "deep, balanced" model may be well-suited to this compressed regular season - but we'll see how it translates in the playoffs.

Disappointments

Dallas - The defending champs opened the season with three straight losses, and just when it looked like they were getting things straightened out, they were embarrassed in San Antonio last night. (Of course the Clippers know a little something about being embarrassed in San Antonio.) There's little question that Dallas overachieved on its way to a title last year, and team chemistry surely played a role in that. With Tyson Chandler and J.J. Barea gone, the chemistry is different, and it certainly hasn't helped that Lamar Odom has been beyond terrible so far. The Mavs may yet find some chemistry, but it's also possible that the window is simply closed for a team with 7 key players over 30.

Memphis - I may have been seduced by the Grizzlies' playoff performance. They dominated the first seeded Spurs last April, and then took the super talented Thunder to seven games in the conference semis. But I forgot why they were playing the first-seeded Spurs - it was because Memphis was the eighth seed, with a so-so 46-36 regular season record. With Rudy Gay joining the mix and all their key contributors back, it seemed like Memphis should be taking the next step - but the early results seem to indicate they might have been over-achieving last season. Injuries haven't helped (see below), but even before Zach Randolph went down, the team had started slowly. Don't forget that the Grizzlies lost Darrell Arthur in training camp - their first big off the bench last year, Arthur was sneaky productive for them all last season.

Injuries

Much will be made of any injury during this post-lockout season. Shortened camps and fewer days off will undoubtedly lead to more injuries of the Chauncey Billups/Rip Hamilton/Corey Maggette pulled muscle variety. I'm not convinced however that broken hands (Manu Ginobili), torn MCLs (Zach Randolph, when O.J. Mayo fell on his knee) or dislocated shoulders (Chuck Hayes Thursday night) can be calked up to the lockout. These are just freak injuries, and they happen.

Ginobili - The Spurs are 5-2, and have won both of their games since their leading scorer broke his hand, but this injury will certainly hurt San Antonio. Unless it helps them. Manu is 34, and 6 weeks off now will make him better in the playoffs. Gary Neal showed what he can do last season, and James Anderson will get a chance to play, and it wouldn't be the first time Gregg Popovich coaxed a productive season out of an unknown. Still, the short season will be half gone by the time Ginobili is back - can San Antonio weather that storm?

Randolph - The Grizzlies had already started slowly before losing the All Star and All-NBA performer. When they needed a bucket last year, Memphis always went to Randolph. Where will they go now? It's a relatively minor MCL tear, and Randolph may be back in 8 weeks, but will that be too late for the Grizzlies' playoff hopes? As I mentioned above, Randolph's injury is on top of the season-long loss of Darrell Arthur, leaving Memphis with Dante Cunningham and the newly-acquired Marreese Speights as their power forwards.

Stephen Curry - Something is just not right with Curry's right ankle. He twisted it four times last season, had off-season surgery on it, and has now twisted it three times since Dec. 20th. He keeps toughing it out - he's only missed one game so far this season - but that doesn't seem to be the best course. Of course Curry and the Warriors THOUGHT that the off-season surgery would stabilize the ankle, but clearly that's not the case. Who knows what needs to be done to get him past these issues, but at a minimum it seems he needs to shut down for a bit rather than just rushing back onto the court every night. The Warriors probably aren't a playoff contender with Curry, but they certainly aren't one without him.

So where does this all leave the Clippers?

The Clippers have caught a huge scheduling break in having the fewest games of any NBA team over the season's first two weeks. While the Clippers will play just their sixth game on Saturday, every other team has played at least seven, and the Lakers and others will be on nine. They'll pay for this leisurely early pace later of course, but with three new starters (two of them added just 10 days before the first game) the extra practice days are exactly what they needed to start the season. The team has looked significantly more comfortable, both on offense and on defense, in their last two wins than they did to start the season.

But the Clippers have a series of tough games looming next week. Milwaukee without Andrew Bogut Saturday should be a gimme (the kind of game in which the old Clippers were notorious for choking), but the next three are against the best record in the West (Blazers), the best record in the NBA (Heat) and the big brothers (Lakers). Those three games will tell us a lot.

Until then, it's hard to know if the Clippers are in a position to battle for a top spot in the West, or merely a lock to make the playoffs. With Dallas off to a poor start and the Lakers looking as vulnerable as we thought they might be while Memphis and San Antonio are missing key players, that leaves Oklahoma City as the only clear favorite in the field. Phoenix, Houston, New Orleans and Utah, all teams that finished well ahead of the Clippers in the standings last season, all look to have dropped off about as much as most people thought they would. So depending on your feelings about Portland and Denver, it's not too difficult to make a case for the Clippers above any team in the conference other than the Thunder.

But now we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

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1st!

I still have the Clippers complex running in my blood. I do not see the playoffs as an automatic lock. Hard to read if we are a 2 seed or an 8th seed. Looking forward to see how much we have matured as a team with another run with elite teams (Portland, Miami back to back) as well as the Lakers. This sure is fun talk.

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by PV Mike on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

I too have that Clippers complex

I know we have a good team but I can’t help but be reminded of the Clippers past. The Clippers should never take any games for granted even if it is against the Bucks w/o Bogut.

No, it's the Clip Show!

by dan73962 on Jan 6, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of that Clippers complex

Why does the “standings” widget on Clips Nation homepage not show the .600 Clippers in first place in the Pacific? Lists us instead as -0.5 games behind the .500 Lakers.

by lmondun on Jan 6, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

good question

It shows the Clippers -0.5 games back, which is apparently the same as being .5 games ahead. It must be sorting on wins first, which is not right of course. I’ll submit a bug fix on it.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

While others have been making statements of grandeur about a Finals run I’m with you in saying the playoffs aren’t an automatic lock.

Then again maybe we (as Clippers fans) are conditioned to think of success as such.

by yaggiefresh on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

As fatalistic as I usually am...

I still say the playoffs are a lock, barring a significant injury to Paul, Griffin or Jordan.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

mojo reverse

Let’s revisit this on Valentine’ Day as we need see us win convincingly and regularly on the road before we can make any sort of determination.

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

feels like the west

is up for grabs this year, but also means that there are no gimme games in the west. I keep waiting for the Clips to play some easy teams, but with the conference heavy schedule, there just doesn’t feel like there are ANY “gimmes” in the west. The wolves have been playing guys tough, the kings have a ton of talent, the warriors look better than I thought they would under Jackson. It’ll definitely be interesting towards the end of the season, it just feels like all the teams in the west have a chance at the playoffs. For some reason, it feels like in the East, it’s top heavy, and you’ll have a few teams sneak in the playoff with a sub-.500 record.

by osamu on Jan 6, 2012 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

Clips are in the middle-class of the Western Conference

IMO – this is based on start of this season – some readjustment probably needed:

5 Teams will be in the Playoffs: OKC, Lakers, Spurs, Dallas, Memphis
4 Teams won’t be in the Playoffs: NO, Minny, Sac, GSW – Some may be playing well, but over 66 games just don’t have the personnel to pass enough teams

That leaves 6 teams as the middle class: Clips, Portland, Denver, Phoe, Utah, Houston … so 3 of these teams will make the PO (more if Dallas and Memphis continue to underwhelm). Portland looks like they are moving up to the elite. All these middle-class teams had better records than LAC and/or made the POs last year

So Clips need to pass 3 of the other middle class teams. Portland: probably not. Denver: maybe/maybe not. So the task is to outperform Phoenix, Utah and Houston. This is reasonable, all three are on their way down. Absolutely must beat these 5 teams in most head-to head battles. So far 2-0.

Win some games against the upper class, win almost 100% against the lower class. At least 50% against the East … You’re in. But the key is beating the middle class whenever you get a chance.

Yes, I’m speaking from the “complex” as well. This also assume the injury bug stays balanced from this point on (mostly hitting the upper and lower teams thus far, so little impact on the Clips).

by Thretch on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

It is hard to say that either Memphis or Dallas are still first class teams

at this point the Lakers might not be either.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 6, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

First tier (locks):
OKC: The question is more: how deep can they go in the play-offs
Spurs: Even without Ginobli they should make it.

Second tier (in the hunt):
Lakers: Bynum is playing well, but the supporting cast is poor and Kobe is playing injured again.
Portland: deep team, but can they sustain this form?
Denver: see Portland
Clips: we should make the play-off, otherwise this season will be a major failure
Dallas: Can they get out of this funk? Or is Cuban planning for next season?
Memphis: ZBo is out. + is the real Memphis more like last’s year play-off team or last year’s regular season team?

third tier (outsiders):
Houston: going downhill but still a decent team
Minnesota: the wildcard, they could pull a major upset or crash and burn (and still be much improved)

the rest:
no hope

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Bynum will undoubtedly get hurt at some point this season, likely near the playoffs

the lakers are by no means a first tier team. neither are the grizzlies.

i see it as 1. okc
2. spurs (pop is the best coach in the league)
then us, LAL, portland, denver, dallas, houston in some order

by Dawool Huh on Jan 6, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I said

Started out as first tier but have been underwhelming. Still have the personnel to be a playoff threat.

by Thretch on Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow...

I didn’t see that next to last sentence coming.
But I do see changes on the horizon. The other night in the Cips v. Blazer’s game, there was a moment when Portland had five huge guys on the floor, all quick, aggressive, athletic, all attacking. They are scary deep… and they make the Clippers look tiny. But four of their wins are at home, if Raymond Felton’s the answer at the point, why is this his fourth team, and how far can you go with two centers who also appeared in the bible?
Denver also, at 5-2, has four home victories. Yeah, George Karl is worth some wins, but…? BTW, the Nuggets have five players on the all-star ballot. And they have Andre Miller so, eff them.

by John Raffo on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

ROFLMFAO

With all due respect to Steve and the many bright, witty folks who hang out around here, this may be the best line I’ve ever seen on this site:

how far can you go with two centers who also appeared in the bible?

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 6, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

haha

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

As Portand gets their ass handed to them by 25 pts at Phoenix tonite.

I do not trust Felton or Crawford every night. Felton has played for 4 teams as John mentioned but Crawford has already played for 5.

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by PV Mike on Jan 6, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace seem pretty volatile

Crawford too.

When those guys are on they can beat anyone, but if they aren’t you get this.

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

In Phoenix.

I watched a little of this game. Phoenix simply can’t be counted out. Nash, Hill, Gortat, Dudley. They have players. And a coach who’s a real coach.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Meh

Based on one good game? Sounds like the fallacy of the eye test. That top 4 isn’t all that inspirational. The first two are obviously Hall of Fame-type talents but are also, to borrow your description, living-and-breathing biblical characters. Gortat is solid+, given today’s dearth of talent at the 5, while Dudley is a model of inconsistency. And when did Gentry become a real coach? I think they have enough talent to blow anyone out on any given night but not enough to be legit.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 7, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

My cousin who is a die hard Suns fan would agree with John

They probably aren’t top 6 in the West, but they are capable of overachieving. I think as the season wears on, Hill and Nash will really start to show (Nash always slowed down late in the normal seasons). But Gortat, Dudley, Brooks, with contributions from Warrick, Lopez, Childress, and even Morris have made some pretty fine contributions. They are very capable of getting blown out, but they are capable of putting up big numbers too. Also, their depth at PG (Brooks could start anywhere) and SF (Dudley, Childress) really makes the age of Nash and Hill less of an issue as far as winning goes.

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

You're probably right.

But I think they’re probably closer to a bubble team than people are giving them credit for… and Portland might not be all that either. LMA isn’t transcendant, no matter how much Blazer’s fans would like him to be.
What, you don’t like Alvin Gentry? I guess he’s hard to get excited about, but he almost got that young Clipper team in the air, and he’s done better with Phoenix than I would have expected… without much support from ownership.

by John Raffo on Jan 7, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I was surprised to see Portland D is pretty mediocre

They’ve benefited from 4 games at home, hot shooting and hitting the boards, but they’re D state are pretty mediocre – they don’t generate TOs or blocks and they’re defensive FG% is average.

Good point bout LMA. If he’s in check, who on that squad can really get you points in the clutch?

And anyone else think Felton is the second coming of John Bagley?

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Based off very early results thru Wednesday...

These were the top 8 teams in the West according to the pythagorean wins method:

1) Denver Nuggets
2) Portland Trail Blazers
3) Los Angeles Lakers
4) San Antonio Spurs
5) Los Angeles Clippers
6) Minnesota Timberwolves
7) Oklahoma City Thunder
8) Dallas Mavericks

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THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
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by banandy on Jan 6, 2012 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

too small of a sample size for pythag

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by bacek on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

definitely...i setup an excel file and plan to track where things are at as the season goes on

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THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN...THROW IT DOWN"
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by banandy on Jan 6, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

nice

easy access for these type of discussion

gud jerb

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by bacek on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

sweet

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats the kind of deal i hope to see

Much as id love to see Bled develop into CP’s longtime backup, the fact is we are a WIN NOW team. No time for young prospects to develop, and a playoff bench of Mo, Ariza, Evans etc is contender worthy.

I keep hearing analysts saying we need to trade one of our guards for a 7 footer off the bench but come playoff time we’re gonna need better wing defense more than anything, going against the likes of Kobe, Ginobli, Durant etc. Im fine with Evans and a 10 min a game serviceable center like Jones (or of course, if we could lure McDyess) The game has changed, i dont think size is as important as hustle. Look at the Heat- both their rotation bigs are 6-8.

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Size

Size is going to be important against two teams – the Lakers and the Magic. If you’re not playing against Bynum or Howard, then who exactly is going to beat you with size? Given that it’s only two teams, I definitely question what you want to give up for more size.

I would have preferred a Przybilla to a Solomon Jones, but it’s not going to be an issue against most teams. Of course, we saw how foul trouble for Jordan affected the team against Chicago. Jones or Evans or someone is going to have to be better than Cook.

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 6, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

your point is proven in DJ's contract

no way is he worth that contract, but look around the league, and almost every team could use a guy like DJ

simple supply and demand

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by bacek on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

So much easier to find wings and guard than centers. It’s why Portland picked Oden over Durant. So much harder to find a game changing 7 footer.

by dulciusXasperis on Jan 6, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure all of us are confident that Evans will be an upgrade over Cook

Cook’s problem is he’s just not strong or athletic enough to body up against other PF’s or C’s. He’s a Steve Novak trying to play PF/C. Novak barely gets away with his shooting ability due to his position. Not a lot of demand out there for a soft PF/C who’s only decent trait is shooting 3’s.

by dulciusXasperis on Jan 6, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Simply replacing Cook with a more traditional big like Jones or Evans

Should make a big enough difference on D.
We’ll see when Clippers face Bynum next week.

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I should say

Big enough difference on low post D. The perimeter is still going to be an issue going forward, which is why im in favor of trading Bledsoe for a scrappy wing defender.

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade Bledsoe

Young rotational players on rookie contracts and with high upside are needed on all teams. I feel scrappy wing defenders are available through free agency. The often mentioned Bogans, for example. What is Marqus Blakely doing these days? I remember seeing him in the Summer League one year. He was all hustle, scrappy, and eager to catch onto a team.

by hip2clip on Jan 6, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally understand that logic

Bogans is decent, if not a bit undersized to guard SFs, but my point is that if we are looking like a high seed going into what i see as a wide open west playoffs, why not go for it this year? Im high on the idea of Ariza because he’s still young and has won a title as a starting defensive wing player, his experience off the bench could be huge.

Im a big fan of Bledsoe, but im not sure we can trust him this year- and maybe next year- to be a consistent contributer on our suddenly contending team. I hope he comes back healthy and proves me wrong.

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Or we can give them FOYE!

Instant offense! I mean he shoots 75% from the field and perfect from the arc if you look at his average over the last 5 days…… hehehehehe…

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by Erik O on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

because if we exchange beldsoe and foye for ariza (for example)

it will wreak havoc on our cap situation the next few year. We lose Bledsoe who is on a rookie contract and foye who’s contract is expiring and take on a deal that will cost us 15 over 2 year after this season. And Ariza offense is bad, really bad.

Plus I can’t see us retaining Mo after next season, so we might have PG too much now but in the long run we need him.

In the end I don’t believe Ariza would be the final piece.

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by BelgianClipper on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ariza's offense

Since leaving the Lakers his offensive numbers have been. . .well, offensive. But thats because the Rockets and Hornets were asking him to do too much, whereas with the Lakers (and if he were a Clipper) he was asked to be a 3 and D type of player. All the attention on Blake, CP, Mo would leave him open for corner 3s, which i think he could excel at (and taking turns with Caron defending star wing players) but yes, his contract is not good and he may be a let down, even though i value the fact that he’s won on the biggest stage and is still in his prime.

I hope Bledsoe will come back strong and stay with the team, but how do we know he will be a consistent contributor? He is still a project in my mind, and if we can unload him onto a rebuilding team that will give him minutes while providing us with a veteran piece, it could be worth it. The Clippers are built to win now, and with CP at the point, i dont think we need to stress so much on that position.

by cassellmania on Jan 7, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Ariza 3pt

Ouch. I thought he was a better shooter, but his 3pt% is worse than Gomes, but he is still a better defender.

by cassellmania on Jan 7, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I lookes up his stats as well

Shocked me how terrible he has been at 3 in his career. I expected poor % in the last few years, but better when he was with the lakers. To learn that he only started 20 games and shot 32% threes… that turns me away from the Ariza idea.

by LJ Hann on Jan 7, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too

Pretty disappointing, i guess i remember all those steals and deflections (and occasional big 3s) from Ariza during the Lakers title run, but when you look at the numbers combined with his contract. . .yikes.

by cassellmania on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

If we go for Ariza

we need to shed Gomes’ contract. That’s the only way.

However the alternate thought process would be to keep Gomes’ deal so we could amnesty him if need be… Can’t amnest a player you traded for since the new CBA

by LJ Hann on Jan 7, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Used to say don't trade big for small

New reality is you don’t trade cheap for expensive. Bledsoe is on a rookie contract and we need more of those deals to sustain the team than lengthy/expensive contracts like Ariza’s. I’m not convinced DTS will pay someone to go away even for salary cap room.

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

is Bledsoe not a scrappy wing defender?

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The Durant/LeBron-guarding type...

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by Erik O on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Please tell me who could be a LBJ/Durant guarding type

Because they score 30 ppg/game

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Said another way - you want to trade a future PG

For a likely non-scoring wing defender who will cut four points off LBJ’s day? Is that worth it?

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well put

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

we need a new ruben patterson!!! the lebron stopper or something. too bad deshawn stevenson is signed.

by hans007 on Jan 6, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you can only do so much

But I’m looking for a guy who can stop them from dropping 50. Deng does a decent job, and even Artest. Battier of course. Dudley does fine. Tony Allen too.

I agree, there’s really no one that’s going to do such a great job that it’s worth losing Bledsoe over. I’m more inclined to worry about this problem next year, only if it turns out to be a problem this year.

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Bledsoe is 6 feet tall.

Would you trust him to guard Kobe or Ginobili or Durant in the playoffs?

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

i would trust him guarding raja bell going for a 3 in the playoffs.

i always trust 6’ tall guards with this task.

by hans007 on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

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by Erik O on Jan 6, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

All they had to do for that was . . .

Forget it

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Cook doesn't have the balls to play inside

(Sorry couldn’t resist)

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by Jax on Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Size

I don’t think it’s a matter of size to match up with other centers. I think it’s a matter of being able to protect the rim. In the Chicago game the problem wasn’t about Cook being able to handle Noah or Boozer. The problem was that, with DJ out, anyone who got into the paint went to the hole unimpeded. And I can’t see Evans helping with that much. Jones, maybe, but his career numbers suggest he’s little more than a foul waiting to happen. So I still think we’re thin up front.

That said, keeping people from getting into the lane in the first place would also address the same problem, so I can definitely see the argument for a 6’6"-6’8" wing defender too.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 7, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not too many shot blockers out there :\

Chris Andersen would have been perfect. Robin Lopez does a fine job helping to protect the paint and provide a big body too.

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

I’d have to at least think about giving up Bledsoe for a big of that caliber, but I wouldn’t be interested in settling for much less.

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 7, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get the Ariza talk when he still has 3 years left at over $21M

Assuming DTS will not pay someone to go away, acquiring him doesn’t seem to match with the new reality.

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

OKC - San Antonio

It’s interesting that through OKC’s rise we seemed to match up with them pretty well and played them tough…really looking forward to seeing how we play them this year. Though it seems to me San Antonio is still a tougher matchup for us.

Outside of those two teams, the Blazers, Lakers, Dallas, and Denver will all take some beating. Potentially making the 7th seed a reasonable floor. Expectations definitely seems to have us finishing in the top 4, which would require us to beat at least one of the above, and the lowest hanging fruit looks like Dallas as of now.

Memphis figures to be the best of the rest at 8, and out of the remaining teams, GSW, PHX, MIN, UTA, HOU, and NO you’d have to think Houston or maybe even Minnesota has a chance to move up, but time will tell.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Forgot about SAC

Lots of young talent, and they have some size now, like the addition of Hayes too. Could see them challenging for the 8th spot along with Houston, etc.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2012 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The big problem with SAC

Is ball distribution. They have all these young and talented shoot-first guards, and a talented big in Cousins that would all benefit from a playmaking PG like Rondo.

by cassellmania on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

23rd in the league in assists

And it shows…

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by Erik O on Jan 6, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

You kidding me Sacramento is a mess

there is absolutely no leadership and the team has no direction they could be the worse team in the conference.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They could be the worst

but I wouldn’t bet on it, care to make a friendly wager?

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by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be willing to bet that they are in the bottom 3 in the conference

and most definitely bottom 8 in the league. I wouldn’t bet more than $20 however as money isn’t exactly a common commodity for college students.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 6, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll give you the bottom 2

At 13, we push.

So last night Phoenix goes and blows out the Blazers. Utah also bounced back a little bit. Guess it’s still the wild wild west, just a different version of it.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 7, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing with the west unlike the east

is that the bad teams in the west are still good enough to win some surprise games. I really can’t figure out Portland however, the Suns look horrible and they blew them away. I want to blame it on fatigue though and the Suns really aren’t a team you want to see if you are tired.

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by bestclipfan on Jan 7, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it looks easy to write off Dallas

but Dallas had worse wins last year. The biggest was a double digit beatdown by Minnesota at Dallas with no one injured. Yesterday they lost Jason Kidd for 3 quarters. Wait until we are fully ready before judging. Dallas will be raring to go come playoffs.

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by tomkanti on Jan 6, 2012 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Ready to go?

Where? Europe? Disneyland? They need to start showing up

by wilriv21 on Jan 6, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Last year felt like a lifetime achievement award for them

I thought it was awesome.

But now this year beckons, and they lose too many key members of the team, while having a severely aging back court. Have to respect them with Dirk and Jet in the mix, but they’re not exactly striking fear in anyone. They played OKC very close and should’ve probably won the other night, but not sure who that says more of. Odom is an x-factor.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

They are clearing salary to make a run at Dwight Howard

Many Bball writers seem to think that is what’s going on.

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by oasisman on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, plus there's Deron Williams

Who’s from Dallas. No doubt that’s their aim.

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by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

heck, it's early

I wrote off Dallas several times last year and they won rings. What do I know? No one will remember an early January blowout loss to the Spurs or an 0-3 start if they’re playing well in April.

But did I mention that 7 of their top 8 are 32 or older?

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by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty Optimistic on My End

I agree that Oklahoma City is the only team guaranteed to be in the top three. Next week’s games against the Lakers and Heat will tell a lot about the Clips, but I think the Clips will steal some games from the best teams (Heat, Bulls, Thunder), fight on even terms with the next group (Portland, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Hawks, Celtics, Grizz etc.,) and do very well against the NBA’s bottom echelons. The Clips played the top teams pretty evenly last year. There’s no reason why we can’t this year. Likewise, it’s hard to see Chris Paul allowing the Clips to fold up against the Nets, Cavs, and T-Wolves anymore. The big question is how well the Clips stack up against top teams that have slipped one (Lakers), two (Spurs), or three (Mavs) notches at present but might recover. My bet is that the Clips win more than we lose against teams like the Lakers that don’t have that good of cohesion but lose more against the Spurs, Celtics, and other cohesive teams. The Clips look more like a 3-4 seed than anything else to me.

by Ric Caric on Jan 6, 2012 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

+1

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Boston/Dallas

are done, I think. San Antonio has enough youth off the bench to make it through, but without Manu it could be tough.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Keep improving

Is anyone going to sign Keith Bogans??? We still have a free roster spot, don’t we?

by kikyexcel on Jan 6, 2012 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

Hopefully we get to see Reggie Evans take some of Cook's minutes tommorrow
Evans went through a battery of drills and looked sharp, but Del Negro said the Clippers will wait until Saturday to decide whether the backup center-power forward will play.

“I want to see how he reacts tomorrow,” Del Negro said. “If he feels good, we’ll see if we can get him in the lineup.”

by gdl on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

We're defintely more dangerous with the ball in his hand

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaman already announced he is injured for March 22 and April 22 games

Type of injury to be determined later.

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by PV Mike on Jan 7, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Something about his heart, I'm sure

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Last one of the day

I was half-watching the Texans/Bengals game and the announcer said, “he’s got great ball skills.” Looked up expecting to see Reggie on the screen but it was a Texan DE intercepting Dalton.

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by ganima on Jan 7, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

DNP - Little Chris's Decision

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 8, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a shortened season

IMO it’s basically “just get into the playoffs”.

by UC.Clipper on Jan 6, 2012 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

but if energy off the bench in form of

Mo Williams and Eric Bledsoe can snag us a few extra wins and we can get a higher seed, then I won’t be complaining.

That said, I think this year will have more speculaiton than ever regarding a team trying to drop a spot for a more favorable matchup.

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Clippers could be as high as the 3-seed or as low as the 6th.

Right now, they are where they should be considering the teams they’ve played against and a favorable schedule.

That said, their upcoming schedule is going to be a tough stretch of 3 games in a row and 4 games in a row towards the end of the month. They play Portland, Miam, the Lakers twice, Utah (road game, they better beat that fucking team cuz I’m tired of seeing them lose to Utah in Utah/hell, here at home), Dallas, Memphis and OKC. It’ll be a good stress test for the team and give us a better idea of their playoff outlook.

Just like everyone else, I worry about their depth on the wing and in the middle. Teams like OKC, POR, SA, and to an extent MEM (at least before the loss of Arthur & ZBo) have depth and size. You can’t count Dallas out but I think the Clippers match up well against them.

I have confidence in Olshey in terms of being able to find quality guys they can plug in the rotation and shore up their depth. If anything, coaching is much a bigger concern for this team since VDN’s insistence on playing the Three Stooges (Foye, Gomes & Cook) to spell his starters for more than 10 minutes each. Then again, he doesn’t have much choice with injuries to Evans, Bledsoe and Leslie. You can always count on him to make some questionable coaching decisions every game, like seeing a 3-guard lineup with Gomes and Griffin at one point this season.

Forgive me for going on rant but I think the shit about VDN needed to be said.

by dvnbtn on Jan 6, 2012 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

Correction: They don't play four games in a row towards the end of Jan.

I saw four tough games but never bothered to check all the dates.

by dvnbtn on Jan 7, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Zeke Chimes In On Billups
According to nypost.com:

Conveniently appearing on the Sid Rosenberg Show on Miami radio yesterday following the Knicks’ 2-4 start, Thomas questioned Glen Grunwald’s acquisition of Chandler, which forced the team to cut Chauncey Billups to get under the salary cap.

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"The guard play right now in the NBA is off the charts,’’ Thomas said. "Losing Chauncey, I thought he brought a veteran leadership to the team. His savviness and guard play has always been severely undervalued. Detroit found that out when they let Chauncey go. I think there was a certain amount of leadership to what he brought to [the Knicks] last year.

’’

by Buddahfan on Jan 6, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

we will make it

once we make the play offs this kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58M-mEFb3M&feature=colike is going to run on the court making this face he looks way too happy

by shanteeek on Jan 6, 2012 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

you have commented on Clips Nation 4 times

all have been linking to this video.
The profile name for this video’s uploding account is the same as your name here.
the description on the video states that the person in the video is you
stop using this site to try to generate traffic for your youtube channel.
everyone click actions>flag>spam

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I will now purposely not watch the video because he is spamming it

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by bestclipfan on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

that is why i put that comment

by LJ Hann on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed this too the first time I watched it.

Not even that funny or anything..

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by Erik O on Jan 7, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Flagged

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by boltsfan21 on Jan 7, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

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