CP3 recruiting Smith
most of the things we already knew except CP3 is bypassing Clipper Darryl to get JR in a clippers uni
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CP3 is in the lead recruiting JR Smith
that’s all I need to hear to be sold on Smith. If Paul is fine with JR’s personality, character etc then so am I.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
Exactly
And with Billups as an unofficial coach on the bench and in the locker room, JR will have 2 steady vets he respects to keep him in line.
by cassellmania on Feb 12, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
CP3 fine having him around? Then I'm fine with it.
Now this is interesting from Carmelo…
“Yeah, I think so, he’s one of those type of players,” Anthony told a small group of reporters after the Knicks’ win over the Nets last weekend. “If it happens, it happens and I’ll be happy.”
by lovinglosangeles on Feb 12, 2012 5:04 PM PST reply actions
On a side note...
hows it looking for getting CP3 locked up long term?
It's gotta be a certainty
You lock Griffin up long-term this off-season, then Paul is going to stay because even if every FA leaves, he has Griffin, DJ, Butler and himself for the foreseeable future. That’s enough to build around. And many of those FA could very well stay (except Foye and Cookie—-they can go).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Agree with Erik O
As long as the wheels don’t come off, it’s all going to break right for the Clippers. Griffin will have every reason to sign his extension this summer… and they can even offer CP3 an extension at the same time. Either way, it’s hard to imagine (again, barring some sort of issues where the team starts losing suddenly) a scenario where Paul leaves once Griffin is in the fold, and it’s hard to imagine Griffin not being in the fold, so it’s all falling into place.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
How does the Paul extension work this summer ?
Does he get to sign a five year max extension or for 3 years since he wouldn’t be a FA since he opt-in ?
Only one player gets a 5 year extension
and I think the 5 year is most likely going to Blake, CP3 can sign a 4 year extension this off season. However the year he signs the extension will count as one of the four years so it would really be a 3 year extension.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
they both can
Only one player gets a 5 year extension after his rookie deal.
Need to check the new CBA...
The five year extension is indeed limited to a single player coming off his rookie deal – but that is not to say other non-rookie deal players can sign five year extensions. I think they maximum extension remains three years for non rookie deal players, but I have not looked that up. At any rate, I think the way it works is you can sign an FA for more years than you can extend him for – but the advantage of the extension of course is that he’s never on the market.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Feb 12, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
What's the advantage for Paul ??
Why would he extend for 3 years when he can re-sign for more money as FA at the end of the season.
I'm guessing the big story next year will be that CP3 will be a free agent in the offseason
And whether he will re-sign with the Clippers. There will probably be a team or 2 that will create cap space to offer him a max deal.
I don't know
if Paul is happy here I don’t think a team will go out of its way to make it happen. We can offer him more money and a longer deal. And is he really willing to waste another season if the Clips are contending? Most teams that will pursue him will be of the rebuilding variety (even LAL) and most superstars will be off the market next year.
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by BelgianClipper on Feb 12, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully hes ok with
being in a big city now, and we can surround him with the talent he needs (BG, DJ, etc..). It would be a huge blow to have him for only 2 years and then he leaves. Especially if it were to LAL. awful!
by 804 Lob City on Feb 13, 2012 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
It'll be interesting to see what CP3 says about it all
Of course we’d love to hear him say something like “I’m not signing an extension but I have every intention of re-signing with the Clippers for the full 5 year contract after my current contract is up. I love the situation here and I want to play next to Blake for the next 5 years of my career here in LA with the Clippers”
He has an agent, though, so we’re probably going to hear a lot of : " I’m keeping my options open" and “I’m going to have to sit and talk with my family and friends and decide what’s best for me.”
And that’ll be just enough fodder for everyone to jump to their own conclusions.
I believe CP3 will want to stay. I’ll feel better once Blake signs his extension but won’t be fully comfortable until CP3 is under contract for awhile.
Clippers hold Chris Paul's Bird Rights...
They can offer him five years with 7.5 percent raises and the first year he can get the full 30% of the cap. Griffin can get the same deal.
Opposing teams or sign and trade teams can only offer 4.5 percent raises and four years for either player.
In Paul and Griffin’s cases, nothing has changed since the last CBA.
That’s the way I read it anyway. Go here for Coon’s article on the changes.
Fantastic - thanks
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
You didn't scroll down far enough
Need to go down to the “Contract Extensions” section. What you have here is true for new contracts, but not for extensions signed before the current contract runs out. Here’s the relevant sentence from Coon:
All other veterans [those not coming off rookie-scale contracts] can extend for four total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contract.This is why Paul has more or less said he won’t sign an extension before hitting free agency. Were he to sign this off-season, the most he could get is 3 additional years. If he waits 1 more year till his contract expires, then the Clips can give him 5 years w/ 7.5% raises, versus 4 years with 4.5 raises from other teams. Which means Blake will sign this off-season, and then CP3 gets his a year later.
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Too bad
he can’t opt out this off-season anymore and just lock in that extension right away.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 13, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
Maybe he can. He promised the Clippers he wouldn’t opt-out and leave after one season, but I don’t know if he has actually committed to that contractually. If he hasn’t, perhaps he can still opt-out and immediately resign in one fell swoop — I’m sure the Clippers wouldn’t mind the opting-out part if it came in conjunction with him signing a brand-new 5-year deal.
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Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
i think the designated 5 year is for a player coming off his rookie deal.
Both can get 5 years I believe.
Wait... THAT'S IT!?
You guys think we’re done?! Buried in a little fanshot, Clipper Steve and Erik O have waved the checkered flag on CP3 and Blake Griffin extensions?
With Vinny at the helm and no reason to see whether the Clips get to or go far in the playoffs?
Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin, and perhaps JR Smith, are moves that only affect the Clippers THIS season. And you have some problems in front of you this offseason as well (and thy name is Chauncey Billups).
You guys are way premature on this.
And this is a front page issue if I ever saw one.
The old self-doubting Clipper syndrome rearing its head . . .
I understand the basis for it but things are different now IMO
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Club O says:
IF the Clippers perform well this season (i.e. make the playoffs, don’t embarrass themselves once they get there), free agents will look to join up with the 5-some of Blake, Paul, Jordan, Butler and Mo Williams. We have $50mil committed to next year (incl. Mo), so if the cap remains at $58M and we refrain from extending Blake until after we can sign some FAs, that gives us plenty of room to fill out the roster. And this is assuming Mo takes his player option. If he doesn’t, we’re looking at $16mil to fill out the roster. If you compare us to Miami or NY, we actually have cap space AFTER we created our super-team. How often does that happen?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Club P says:
Yeah, but we’d need to add 7 more players with that $8mil under the cap. Sure, you can sign your last 3 or 4 players to minimum contracts after you’re already over the cap (9th-13th players off the bench aren’t that important) but if you use all $8mil on one guy, the 7th and 8th players off the bench will be garbage.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
How does Club O feel about Vinny at the helm?
More importantly how does Chris Paul feel about it?
Is Club O content with Blake Griffin’s development? Club P doesn’t think it’s getting better fast enough. Of course that’s an essential part of the Vinny question.
I’m still not on board with the Griffin-is-here-for-seven-years-no-matter-what theory.
If I’m Blake Griffin’s management team, and the Clippers haven’t gone deep in the playoffs, and continued to cheap-out on coaching choices, I probably ask for a three-year deal. If I’m Chris Paul and I see that happen, I’m dust. Gone.
Club O goes by BG's feelings about it
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Club O says:
VDN isn’t going to go anywhere unless we lose. We already have a bad enough reputation with coaches, and despite VDN’s apparently lack of ability, it doesn’t seem to be affecting us negatively.
Regarding Blake’s development, I think expectations of huge improvements are asking a bit too much. The sophomore slump seems to be a real thing, and Blake seems to be doing a good job of avoiding it. In year 3 is where we should expect him to take another jump and start to refine his game, now that he’s dealt with defenses that are gameplanning against him (something he didn’t properly experience last year).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
(Oops hit post too soon)
Club O also says:
Until we see evidence to suggest otherwise, there’s reason to think Blake Griffin will not be here for 7 years (no matter what). The team has done the right things: signing his running mate in DJ, making sure CP3’s FA is offset with Blake’s, signing a reputatble guy like Butler that only needs to be good until Blake signs. And as Steve’s pointed out, no one has ever turned down a max contract and rejected all offers during restricted free agency, risking injury for 2 full years (especially someone like Blake who has already experienced a season-ending injury before).
The 3 year deal = 7 years, doesn’t it? 4 years + 3 year extension (like LeBron did). That’s the “no matter what” scenario.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You know why they never leave that money
…because they agent can get paid now so they persuade the player to take that money vs risking the chance they get a new agent in that year and they lose out on that money.
Agents must go by that ‘one bird in the hand, better than two in the bush’ mantra.
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
CP3 and JRS
If he likes him that much, I imagine he must have been pretty pissed when the Hornets traded him. They gave him up basically for nothing IIRC, and then ended up with a string of two guards like Rasual Butler and … and … I don’t even know.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
I think that was Baron
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
Think so too
I remember Paul was upset with the Hornets organization for letting go for Byron Scott.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Paul and Byron had a very close relationship.
I think that contributed to his doubts with New Orleans.
or..
I thought I gave this guy a budget..
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Instead of trying to get Chauncey,CP3 and Martin to recruit Smith
we need Kat Von D or Bombshell McGee. That should seal the deal to come here.
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
Out of topic
Anyone watched ESPN2 E60 on Chris Paul? He dedicated a high school game to his grandfather and scored 61 points which was the age of his grandfather when he died.
by Lobmeister on Feb 12, 2012 9:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Old news
there have been several articles on the story from espn and one recently by TJ Simers. It is definitely a cool story though.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
There was a youtube video
posted on here as well.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Actually intentionally missed a free throw
just so he could finish with exactly 61 points.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
by ClipperChuck on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I knew
the first thing I did when the CP3 to the Clippers rumors started was a wikipedia check.
Found that story right on article.
Good article
CP3 has made the decision for me. Also Ramona confirmed my thoughts re flexibility with Butler – he can guard both 2s and 3s.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
I'm not sure I'm buying that...
I love Caron Butler, but his defensive skills lie in his willingness, strength, and smarts… not his quickness. He’ll get torched by a quick two guard. He’s NOT the wing defender the Clippers need. There are nights when he looks like he’s running around on post-surgery knee, which he is.
I'm not saying he's the wing defender they need - he's too important to the offense
for that, but he can certainly fill in when necessary
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Exactly - but it seems as though he may be the best option available
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
Except for the argument that says
Sure, it’s the right basketball move, but I still would rather not have to root for that guy.
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Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
Trade exeption
The article mentions the Knicks have more spending power b.c. of the mini-midlevel-exeption and at the same time mentions teh Clippers’ trade exeption.
Since the Nuggets own JR’s Bird-rights, the Nuggs and Clippers could do a sign and trade for Smith. The nuggets could get a second rounder out of it and a trade exeption of their own. I think this would be a win for both the Nuggets and JR, and maybe even for the Clippers (if he would otherwise sign with the Knicks).
Off topic: If you have some spare time, check out the list of Bird-rights owned per team for laughs (shamsports has a list). The Lakers for example still own the bird rights of Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Mitch Richmond, Karl Malone, and Horace Grant. That’s a great starting five for an over-40 (50?) league.
I've never heard of this, but are we sure?
I was thinking the same thing as eelcova and can’t find any reference to anything saying it’s disallowed. IIRC, Aaron McKie was included in the Pau Gasol-to-the-Lakers trade for salary cap reasons on a S&T. That certainly was a high-profile deal and therefore seems a likely candidate for “loophole to be closed” with the new CBA.
Not saying you’re wrong, just looking for a verifying reference.
it was allowed then, that's why it worked for the Gasol -trade- robbery
however, (can’t find the source) but it is included as part of the newly signed CBA for this season
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I'm more than a little shocked by how many are willing to do a full 180 on their dislike for JR because CP3 likes him.
If CP3 said he’d play with Kobe, would we suddenly stop thinking he’s a douche? Because man, that guy’s a huge douche.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If CP3 said he wants to play with Kobe - I'd accept it
Would I like it? No, but take the bad with the good . . .
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
He always seems to top himself too
“Jeremy Lin who? What has that guy done? Obviously I’ve heard of him before, but he’s done something special now? Oh, should I guard him if he gets hot? Please, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.” (paraphrased)
Yeahhhhh maybe you should’ve guarded him, Kobe.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
its more of a "keep Paul happy" than a "oh really, if you don't say? well then Mr. Paul, this XXXX guy must really be a cool guy after all"
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I just mean that a lot of guys were saying his character issues were too much to get past, no matter what
Suddenly he goes from murderer to “good enough for me.”
And for the record, he was always good enough for me.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by Erik O on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or its like those family debates on TV
when the two kids want one thing and the parents want something else and they go into a vote
the two kids get 2 votes against JR Smith
and the Dad gets 1 vote for JR Smith
meaning the Mom has the power to either side against JR Smith or tie by voting for JR Smith
what happens? the Mom says “i’m special so my vote counts as 2” and votes for JR Smith…meaning the final count is 3 to 2, for JR Smith wins and that is what happens…the kids might not be happy, but they deal with it and accept
Chris Paul is the Mom in this scenario
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I'm trying Chris Paul you called him a mom...
Energy * Focus * No Excuses
"For [Griffin] getting in the way of Andre Miller’s 40 yard dash?" -S. Perrin
by Takebb909 on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
So - do we get Kobe or not . . .
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
if CP3 says so
then we do and who cares if the fans are unhappy…as long as CP3 is happy
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Not me
I’ve never argued that it’s not the right move from a basketball perspective. I just would rather not have to root for that guy. As I said before, I’d rather reach the 2nd round of the playoffs without JR Smith than win a championship with him. And that’s coming from a football/basketball/baseball fan whose teams have never won a title in any sport for his entire middle-aged live. I love CP3, and I respect his opinion, but his opinion doesn’t change mine.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
Interesting that he's choosing between big market teams
I’m sure Gilbert has been emailing the league regularly
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
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