Chris Paul and J.R. Smith - Long Time Teammates?
by Steve Perrin on Feb 14, 2012 9:33 AM PST
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PrintAs has been widely reported for awhile now, Chris Paul is actively trying to recruit his former teammate, free agent J.R. Smith, to join the Los Angeles Clippers. Smith is currently playing his final game in China any minute now, and will apparently be back in the US some time Wednesday. Presumably he would be deciding between offers from the Clippers and the New York Knicks and other suitors shortly thereafter.
Paul's association with Smith as a former teammate is being played up as a major factor in all of this. Consider this line from Marc Stein's story: "'Who knows J.R. better than me?' Paul said of Smith, his teammate for two seasons with the Hornets." Ramona Shelburn of ESPN LA has been on top of this story as well, and on Monday she wrote "Like Billups did with recently-signed Kenyon Martin, point guard Chris Paul has taken a lead role in recruiting Smith .... The two are close from their two seasons as teammates with the Hornets."
So that seems really important right? Those two seasons they played together with the Hornets? Just one problem. They only played one season together with the Hornets.
Smith was part of the 2004 draft where Dwight Howard was the first pick and eight high schoolers were selected in the first 20 picks, Smith himself going 18 to New Orleans. Paul was in the 2005 draft, selected fourth by the Hornets. Smith was then traded to Chicago in July 2006, eventually landing to Denver a week later. So Paul and Smith played just one season together, 2005-2006, as teammates in New Orleans. Or really, as long as we're nitpicking, in Oklahoma City, since that was directly after Hurricane Katrina and the Hornets temporarily relocated.
Not that this invalidates the original point or anything. Paul and Smith were a couple of 20 year olds, living the dream playing NBA ball. They were the two youngest Hornets, and formed the team's starting backcourt for much of the season. They no doubt grew extraordinarily close in that situation. If CP3 says he knows J.R. Smith as well as anyone in the league, who am I to say different.
But they originally grew close playing together one season with the Hornets, not two. Just so we're clear.
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I always wonder how the players
who’s playing time or job can be effected really feel when they hear stories like this. Are Mo, Foye, Bledsoe excited CP3 is recruiting another guard? How about DJ,Cookie and Evans when Chaucey was recruiting KMart?
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Good question
It’s great to win. But Randy Foye would go from starting two guard on a contender to expiring contract trade bait immediately if this trade happens.
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by Steve Perrin on Feb 14, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Tell JR that if he signs, we let Foye Expire. That's 4m right there, and however much more we want to thrown on via Bird Rights, that will be his next season, as well.
"Buckle your seat belts, folks. This one's going down to the wire." -The inimitable Ralph Lawler.
by Gordon for President on Feb 14, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think any bird rights can be given to Smith.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Foye doesn't see that
He sees going back to the bench to be in gunner mode.
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by Takebb909 on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Gotta love this snippet from NBC Sports
The Clippers are a better team than the Knicks, but they can’t offer as much money — L.A. can only offer the veteran’s minimum, and it is pro-rated over a longer period of time than the Knicks offer so it’s considerably less money.
Getting some respect finally? :-)
by lovinglosangeles on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 AM PST reply actions
Pro-rated over a longer period of time?
I wonder how come?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
apparently an MLE is prorated taking 10 February as a starting point
so if a player is signed after the second game after the 10 February he misses 1/(number of games left after 10 February) of his pay check. With the minimum deal they count all the games already played in the season; So if he signed at the exact same moment he would lose (1+number of games before 10 february)/(number of total games). Both mechanism only kick in after 10 February but as you see in the second case a player loses a much bigger part of his pay check.
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"But can't the refs blow the whistle and stop play in certain situations?" Boltsfan21
by BelgianClipper on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
If it's between LAC and NYK
LAC has to have the advantage here simply because this team lacks Melo, the ultimate ball hog and anti-up-tempo offensive guy. It still baffles me that he is in NY with D’Antoni. We’ll see how it is when he comes back now that Lin has given D’Antoni a point guard rather than a small shooting guard playing point.
JR has much more opportunity to be successful as a team and individual in LA than NY.
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The Knicks gave up waaay to much for Melo, they were better without him. I knew from when I saw that trade, it was horrible. He shoots waaaay to much.
by DannyDodger on Feb 14, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Kobe was the ultimate ball hog . . .
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so who has known JR as a teammate the longest?
I’m guessing since Kenyon, nene, and melo were all in Denver when he arrived, and we’re all there until last year, it’s one of them, with melo probably coming in last since he was traded mid season.
by osamu on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
you answered you own question
Kenyon and Nene. Although both of them missed major portions of one season during that span due to injury.
One more thing — as long as I’m fact checking here, Stein says there are three former teammates of Smith’s on the Clippers — Paul, KMart and Billups. There are actually four as Reggie Evans and J.R. were together in Denver in 06-07.
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by Steve Perrin on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
thanks I wasn't sure
And yea I noticed Reggie’s name not mentioned as well. Although with some of Reggie’s tendencies, maybe it’s best if he doesn’t remember playing with him, haha.
by osamu on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
One of JR's fondest memories of Reggie could be
“Hey JR, pass me the ball… No the other one..”
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Well i hope JR or his agent read Espn's 5 on 5 today
All 5 think JR should go to the Clips.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120214/hitting-nba-headlines-gilbert-arenas-jr-smith-new-york-knicks-more
Worth the risk...
I agree with Jon Krolik. JR can’t be that much worse than Foye. He’s a better shooter, athletic and a better defender. I hope he signs with the Clippers and suit up with the team next week.
yep that's the only reason I'm in favor of brining in JR
I’ve honestly never really liked the guy, and seemed to shoot his team out of as many games as he’s won for them, but compared to lil chucker, he has to be an upgrade from all standpoints. I still worry he’ll want to be a ball dominant, iso, ball stopper, but I trust cp enough to know how to use him.
by osamu on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
On a sidenote
Did everybody see DJ’s twitter pic on the plane last night 1. They got CP3 really good on the flight (flight attendant included) and 2. They certainly got over the loss quickly as you could not tell they lost.
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
oops forgot to post thanks
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
That one's still the best
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maybe if they slept on the plane
they wouldn’t be exhaughsted at the end of games… yes blake, I’m talking to you
Steve Blake's ghost
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
LMAO
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by 2-ScoopIceCream on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
JR will fit in w/ Clips just fine
With Chauncey lost for the season, they need help at the SG position. Randy foye is not that consistent and Mo Williams is too short to start next to Paul. JR has the size and athleticism that would be perfect for the Clippers offense.
by Jeffrey Thompson on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions
Do u have evidence of this?
That’s a pretty strong aligation. Anyways, he’s with the Knicks now. I wonder whether he will start or come of the bench.
by Jeffrey Thompson on Feb 17, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
i think if anything you can rope JR in with this.
if we win it all or make the NBA finals, you can cash in with a big contract like jj barea.
before that playoff run no one was paying jj barea 4 million a year. and this summer he had both the lakers and twolves and others chasing him.
if jr smith is generally under control , im sure that cook/foyes money can be freed up to pay him too. do we get the MLE next year?
the tricky part comes in the off-season
this season the FO is just going after every chances to fix holes in the roster. The moves are quite predictable and clear: go after Keyon Martin and JR Smith, because even though they have their flaws they are quality players.
But in the off-season you have to make a lot of decision. What with Billups and Keyon Martin (or possibly JR Smith)? We got them cheap but it hard to imagine the prices will be much higher next season. What do you do with Mo if he opts out and asks for a new contract? What FA’s are out there and can we build a more balanced roster?
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"But can't the refs blow the whistle and stop play in certain situations?" Boltsfan21
by BelgianClipper on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
i believe it was a clause in the trade that brought Mo here that he would exercise his option
i could be wrong because he has one of those old timey contracts with 2 player option years
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
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As if I did not already feel sorry for the Hornets
Hoopsworld is reporting they are signing Solomon Jones.
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by ganima on Feb 14, 2012 4:54 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i'm glad that between the two Jones on the team
we got to keep DeAndre
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Knicks currently the fans and media darlings with Lin
Might attract JR plus more money
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Yeah, we shouldn't get too excited.
I see him signing with NYK.
by cassellmania on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
well it might impact JR Smith playing time and touches negatively
2 weeks ago NY looked a team devoid of any back court talent. Now Lin has happened, Fields seems to be back on track and Schumpert looks a NBA rotation player if he doesn’t have to handle the ball. Baron is also around the corner.
Plus Lin, Melo and STAT are all high usage players. Hard to see JR Smith getting a lot of touches unless he comes off the bench.
Plus even if Lin is as good as advertised I don’t see NY beating Miami or Chicago this year whilst the West is quite open this year. Even OKC isn’t untouchable.
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"But can't the refs blow the whistle and stop play in certain situations?" Boltsfan21
by BelgianClipper on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Clippers are just a way better fit in every way except $
And that extra 1.5 million will probably be what sways him to NY, even though his potential success with a contending Clipper team could fetch him a bigger contract this summer.
I read on hoopshype that ‘a source’ says NY is still the frontrunner but his agent is ‘flirting’ with other teams. Who knows, but I really hope JR makes a decision fast, because he’s been retweeting quite a few Clipper/CP3 related tweets and nothing about NY.
by cassellmania on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
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