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The loss Saturday to the Spurs was painful for obvious reasons. The Clippers had the game won and allowed the Spurs to tie on one of the strangest turnovers you'll ever see. But there was some solace in knowing that the team had played well enough to win against a very good team.

Monday night in Oakland against the Warriors was a different kind of loss. A two point lead and the ball in the final three minutes certainly isn't the same thing as a three point lead and the ball in the final ten seconds, but neither are the Warriors the Spurs. The Clippers were the team with the 4-2 record in games decided by three points or less -- the Warriors were 1-6 in tight contests. With the two best players on the court, including the guy who had come through in the fourth quarter on countless occasions before, it seemed obvious that the Clippers would be the team that would execute effectively down the stretch and win the game.

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Instead, the Warriors went on a 9-0 run to win the game. That run was decisive enough to take the game right out of the "close" category, so at least the Clippers record there stays in tact. The Clippers were scoreless over the final 3:15 of the game, and execution was the culprit. Let's look at those possessions.

  • Blake Griffin re-entered the game at the 2:48 mark with the Clippers in possession. This is significant in that Blake's minutes had been limited by foul trouble the entire game, but Golden State had no answer for him defensively when he was in.
  • On the possession, the Clipper ran a flare cut screen to get Mo Williams a three pointer. It's hard to argue with this one. Williams was 6 for 6 from deep at the time, they executed the play well and Mo got a good look. He just missed it.
  • On defense, they made a huge mistake when the forced David Lee into a miss, but the rebound bounced off of three different Clippers before landing in Ekpe Udoh's hands. No one really to blame -- just one of those plays. A few seconds later Steph Curry found Brandon Rush for a wide open three and suddenly the Warriors had the lead.
  • Now down one, the Clippers tried to post up Blake Griffin. Udoh did a good job of denying the entry pass, and Griffin received the ball much further away from the basket than he wanted. The possession went nowhere and Griffin had to kick the ball out to Paul, who had to force up a jumper with a short clock. Miss.
  • On the other end, Monta Ellis went one-on-one against Paul and made a beautiful move to the basket to put the Warriors up three with 83 seconds left. Griffin appeared unwilling to rotate and risk a sixth foul, and with DeAndre Jordan on the bench, there was no one else to protect the rim.
  • On the next Clippers' possession they tried to return the favor and went iso with Paul on Ellis. Again, not a bad strategy -- let your best clutch player create something for himself or one of his teammates. It seemed to work too, as Paul got Ellis retreating -- when Ellis slipped, Paul had plenty of room to shoot, but for some reason he didn't. Seconds later, he got Ellis to bite on a pump fake, but rather than jump into him and draw a shooting foul, he once again held onto the ball. They reset, ran a quick pick and roll with Griffin and got the switch so that Dominic McGuire was on Paul. CP3 figured he could take McGuire, and tried to create space and shoot over him, but the 6'7" McGuire got a piece of the shot.
  • This was really the key possession. Down three with plenty of time to play defense and get the ball back, a bucket here and it's still a game. An empty trip though and you're in big touble. The play call, a Paul iso, isn't bad, but one wonders why not give Griffin a touch there? Griffin was 7 for 10 in the game and had also drawn five shooting fouls in the game. Sure, the last play had gone to Griffin and he hadn't delivered. However, Udoh had left the game at the prior stoppage after hitting the floor battling for rebound position, and McGuire, essentially a small forward, was defending Griffin. Whether the Clippers recognized it or not is debatable -- but Griffin had a huge advantage in the post. Even so, Paul had a couple of different opportunities that he didn't take.
  • The Warriors rebounded the blocked shot and took their time bringing the ball upcourt. Curry realized just in time that the 8 second count was getting close, and sprinted the last few steps into the corner in the front court, where he was trapped by Paul and Williams. The ball seemed to be loose for a moment, but in the melee Paul fouled Curry and the 90% career foul shooter made two -- five point lead, 54 seconds left.
  • A quick aside on the 8 second rule. This was not an 8 second violation. Until this season, NBA referees were instructed to call an 8 second violation when the 24 second clock displayed 16 -- makes sense, right, 24 - 16 = 8. But this season it becomes a violation at 15. Why the difference? Is it now a 9 second rule? It's still 8 seconds, but the NBA changed the way the shot clock functions this season when they added tenths of seconds to the display. Last season, the clocked showed 0 when the full 24 seconds were expired. This season, it shows 0.9 seconds when there are still nine tenths of a second left. Similarly, when the clock displays 16, there are really 16.9 seconds on the clock. So it has to show 15 for a full 8 seconds to have elapsed -- 8.1 seconds, if you want to nitpick. So this season, I guess it's an 8.1 second count, and Curry made it with a few tenths to spare.
  • On the Clippers penultimate possession, Mo Williams missed a three, but Griffin managed to chase down the offensive rebound -- and then threw the ball at Foye's feet and out of bounds for a turnover.
  • The final possession, down seven with 19 seconds left, was laughably bad. The Clippers inbounded the ball to Griffin, and then all five players stood and stared for the next few seconds, as if no one had any idea what to do next. If a play had been diagrammed during the timeout, all of them had forgotten it by the time they inbounded the ball.

The game was lost in those final three minutes. Five Clipper possessions, zero points, six missed shots, one turnover, one missed offensive rebound that amounted to a turnover. The team that executes best at the end of a game will invariably win, and if you get out-executed by the Warriors, it's not a good day.

Clearly the Clippers were not helped any by the officiating in the game -- but they still win if they simply execute down the stretch. Nonetheless, the sequence at the end of the first half was truly bizarre. Paul knew that Jackson was calling for an intentional foul on DeAndre Jordan and went into his shooting motion when the foul was being committed, sinking a half court three pointer. The officials said that the shot didn't count -- but I'm not sure there's any defensible reason that it shouldn't have. If Paul is in his motion before the whistle, which he was, then the shot should count -- that's the rule as far as I understand it. If you're wondering why the referees did not review the play, well this situation (foul off the ball simultaneous to a shot) is not among the 11 reviewable situations the NBA has enumerated, so it wasn't an option.

But the next call was far more damaging. With the ball and a couple seconds difference between the shot clock and the game clock, Paul once again saw Brandon Rush approaching Jordan and launched a 35 footer as Rush pushed Jordan with both hands -- and there was no whistle. This time Paul missed, the Warriors rebounded and scored. The 5-1 mini-run, made possible by a couple of strange officiating decisions, tied the game at halftime and gave the Warriors all the momentum.

There is no reasonable explanation for why the second foul would not have been called. With three referees on the court and the foul taking place in play sight, it's not reasonable that none of them saw it -- particularly given that the Warriors had just intentionally fouled Jordan off the ball on the prior trip and were likely to do so again. The thought briefly occurred to me that the officials were trying to teach Paul some sort of lesson -- they didn't like him trying to manipulate the game, and that's why they didn't allow the first basket and essentially baited him into a low percentage shot on the non-foul -- but then I realized that would require a level of coordination and sophistication that the officiating crew wouldn't possess. It just happened, and I don't know why.

I do think it might help explain why Paul didn't shoot when he had Ellis in the air in the final minutes. Not only had this crew not given him the benefit of calls, they'd seemed to work against him, particularly when he got too clever. Paul's 'shoot during the intentional foul' strategy is like Sam Cassell's old 'fall down when the defender bumps you' trick -- if you get the call, it's great. But if you don't it's a turnover. Perhaps with Ellis in the air, he was thinking that this crew might leave their whistles silent, or worse still, call an offensive foul, if he allowed Ellis to come down on him as he was taking the shot. Probably 95% of the time with a defender in that situation, the offensive player will jump forward and shoot, and a shooting foul will be called. Maybe in Paul's mind the odds were a little different last night.

The calls against Griffin had a more direct impact on the game. Griffin had scored 21 points on 10 shots, and the Warriors clearly had to answer for him. But he was limited to 29 minutes because of foul trouble, and all of the last three were debatable calls. The fifth foul in particular, with Griffin simply running down court and Ellis veering over to initiate contact, was a huge call. It's not an uncommon call, but that doesn't make it easy to accept.

But the officials didn't lose this game. The Clippers were in position to win down the stretch, and simply didn't get it done. That's cause for concern. As is the fact that Chris Paul hasn't put an entire game together in over a week. The Clippers will go as far as Paul can take them -- if he continues to struggle for long stretches of games, the Clippers will continue to struggle as well.

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The last line sums it up

Paul needs to play much better for this team to win. He cant score all of his points in one quarter or one half, and then do nothing for the rest of the game. Also, every single play involves him and a pick and roll, usually with Griffin. I understand it works a lot, but Paul dribbles way too much. There is no ball movement, and CP3 is largely to blame.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

No ball movement

Paul does hold the ball too long. Even though he is holding it to set someone up, he’s still holding the ball like other ballhogs (kobe, melo) which makes an offense stagnant. Ball movement (along w/ player movement) is essential for a good offensive flow. I wish our Clips moved the ball more consistently and
made cuts when necessary instead of ball watch. Why doesn’t Griffin cut to the bucket more on the PnR? Even if there isn’t a great opportunity for him to score, I think 2 guys would try getting in his way which leads to an open shot for another player.

In Paul’s defense, I trust him w/ the ball more than any other Clipper.

by Valdeezy on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd

And just to add-on, the one offensive set you outlined reminds me of the Clippers strategy late in the game last year which was basically clearing out and letting EJ go 1 on 5.

by Michael White on Feb 21, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

It makes them completely dependent on one player. That’s great if you have a Kobe or Lebron and no teammates. But CP3’s best skill is creating for others. That’s what he did in NOLA when his best teammates were David West and the 3 Stooges. Yet VDN’s offense is so bad, that he’s rendered CP3 less effective with better teammates. Think about that for a second.

Against San Antonio it was just as bad. Desperately needing to score, they ran the same offensive set several times in a row – CP3 at the top, Mo sets a down screen to Blake and then runs to the corner with the other 2 players to stand around, Blake then runs up to set a pick for CP3 and pops out to the elbow extended. So what happens? Blake is (not) surprisingly wide open 20 feet from the basket, CP3 is doubled and everyone else is standing around. I don’t think I need to tell you how those plays ended.

VDN runs this team like people play video games. The offense has one option, zero weakside movement, and if that first option is covered, chaos ensues.

by madglove on Feb 21, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He got an offensive strategy...

“Just go play basketball” that pretty much it other than a series of meaningless scribbles on his clipboard that resemble nothing more than the doodles of a kindergartener hopped up on ADD meds

by SchmidttyMcFunstuff on Feb 21, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Who are you?

Just go play basketball. The team is 19-11. Stop being so needy.

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

But...

But the Clippers are 4-2 in games decided by 3 points or less. So they’ve been good at the end of games.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a good system

It’s called “Freedom”. Maybe you’ve heard of it. Try being more supportive of the team. I wasn’t the one that called for MDSr ouster. How’s Dwayne Casey’s Raptors doing? Oh that’s right, in the basement of the Eastern Conference.

If Blake didn’t throw the ball at the feet of Foye, the game could have turned out different.

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh ok

Sorry but my support for this team is undeniable. That doesn’t mean I’m blind to its faults. Try not to be a moron.

“Freedom” and “cluelessness” aren’t the same thing (though to you it might be).

I’m all for giving players freedom when it’s appropriate. It’s not “freedom” when you’re calling a play that puts 4 players in the corner to stand and watch. Are you seriously that dense to think that’s a good idea?

And the fact that you didn’t want MDSr.’s ouster just proves that you might be that dense. You might not want to advertise that. Your Casey comment is laughable.

by madglove on Feb 21, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

had (PV Mike Correct)

I met my girlfriend through 800LoanMart but had to return her with interest.

by PV Mike on Feb 21, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Have (jax grammar police correct)

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Feb 21, 2012 4:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

WtfThatMakesNoSense? (Erik O wtf correct)

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol

brijo1

by ThaFoX on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

the team is 19-11

Lighten up. Maybe I am that dense. If Paul passes the ball and someone makes a shot, then the Clips win. Come on now. You’re nitpicking. If Blake didn’t pass the ball into Foye’s feet, then the Clips might have won.

You are so cool by calling me dense. Want a cookie with that?

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

How am I nitpicking?

YOU’RE the one nitpicking about one play as if that’s the primary issue.

I’m looking at the bigger picture and I see issues that are recurring. If Blake was throwing the ball at a teammate’s foot every game, I’d be talking about that too. That was just a bizarre incident that’s not likely to happen again. Similar to CP3 passing the ball to the other team for a game tying 3.

What is recurring and a serious issue is awful offensive execution and poor overall defense. That’s what I’m talking about.

Hey I call it like I see it. Next time maybe reconsider questioning someone’s fanhood. Especially those of us who are regulars here (yourself included).

by madglove on Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay...

I was using the ambiguous term “supportive”. Was I happy about the final 2 min? No. Do I miss the screen"curl" play MDSr used to always call for Maggette? Yes.
Still, I don’t feel the last few plays were grossly outrageous. It’s not exactly uncommon for guys to be standing around and watching during last possesion plays in the NBA. Coaches like to call Iso plays during those times. We’re arguing opinions here…both have merit.

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

My concern is that I’ve seen the standing around all season long. It’s not just on the final play. It’s a big concern for me that VDN’s offense generally has no weakside movement at all. It’s also a problem that the team doesn’t seem to have an effective “go to” play when they need a bucket.

That’s going to be an issue in the playoffs where games are close and are much slower paced. You need to be able to execute in the half-court. It scares me that they’re so ineffective when the first option isn’t available.

Part of that is probably the utter lack of practice time this season. But nothing I’ve seen in VDN gives me any confidence in his abilities.

by madglove on Feb 22, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Too bad

You guys are fighting over an interesting and debatable issue. it would be interesting to get CP3’s take. Re CP3’s time I recall Chauncey saying a few weeks ago that he thought his time management was good.

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Feb 21, 2012 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess I kind of slipped a bit

I meant to say more that we don’t get our “offense” started quickly enough. Hell, the screen doesn’t usually get set until about 13 seconds left in the shot clock.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This is totally true

Makes no sense why it would take so long to get into an offense set that’s so simplistic.

Definitely doesn’t help that there’s no practice time this season.

by madglove on Feb 21, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What kind of offense would you prefer?

Motion, triangle, what? What offense would be better for our personnel ?

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Feb 21, 2012 4:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not that concerned with offensive philosophy

I’m more focused on the actual execution. I don’t think anyone’s actual philosophy is to have 60% of your players standing around watching. And I don’t think it’s ground breaking to be asking for off the ball movement. Every coach from high school tells the players not to stand around.

It was frustrating to see Mark Jackson, a rookie coach, able to draw up more effective plays than VDN.

by madglove on Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Paul likes to play at a slower pace, which is why we start late in the shot clock

He’s never played at a fast pace, and he seemed winded playing so hard in the first half against the Warriors. So I think starting so late in the clock is his attempt to control the pace of the entire game. It’s how you beat the young, athletic teams out there, like the Nuggets.

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He might

The problem is that the rest of our roster is a fastbreak team. DJ and Blake are best in the open court. Mo is best in semi-transition getting open 3s.

The only other key player who didn’t like to play up tempo was billups, and he is gone. I thought they might speed up the game without him.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't make sense

You complain about both play calling and execution

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Feb 21, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

very good points!

brijo1

by ThaFoX on Feb 21, 2012 6:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree with madglove,

even if we would have won last night we still need to address the problems on both sides of the court, to me we have the baddest stud in basketball in BG we do not utilize his strengths as much as we should or could, BG can draw fouls on the other teams stud PF or whoever is guarding him get them in foul trouble.
Blake is the star of the team!
the way it looks now he’s third or fourth option, his potential is so high what the clippers do with him right now might change the way he plays forever. BG is a confidence player if he loses it, it affects the team and of course himself. I believe in blake and what he can do for the team, he should be getting kevin loves numbers easily right now.
Now that blake knows how to shoot free throws better that should help towards that.
blake is a superstar in the making and we don’t want to mess that up. sorry for rambling on about BG I just hate to see him being gun shy during a game and be afraid to shoot. I like the way he’s going after shots blocking them and playing better d now. But it’s time for his offense to explode 21 is good but its not up to his potential.

brijo1

by ThaFoX on Feb 21, 2012 6:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Personally, I think we are setting ourselves up for some huge issues in the near future.

Practice makes permanent, and from what I am seeing, our defense and offense are not showing any signs of improvement in certain aspects. Sure, our defense is leagues ahead of what it was at the beginning of the year, but that is like saying that the Nets are having a better year as compared to last year. I think that VDN needs to revamp his offense and even his defense, or we should look to revamp our team with a new coach.
On offense, I notice that we are extremely predictable. We all say that we only have one effective play, a high pick and roll; however, it is not nearly as effective as it should be, and I believe one reason is that teams know what is coming. On top of that, when we actually have a different play that works, we just do it the next time on offense. Sadly, unlike our defense, other good teams ADJUST. Let’s take last nights game for example, we had that nice play in which Blake was fed the ball, Foye sprinted to the top right, and Griffin immediately passed it to a wide open Foye. Great play, but it doesn’t work if we just try to do the EXACT same thing. So sure, we may have other plays on offense once in a while, but if you noticed, most teams tend to change it up, that is something that I feel we should do.
Defense is another story. Like I said before, our defense has improved, no question about it, but there is one thing that we just can’t figure out and I am wondering why it is taking so long for professionals, players and coaches alike, so long to figure out. This is none other than rotations (usually caused by a trap or double team). Whether it be Griffin or DeAndre, often times, they like to trap a guard at the top of the key. This not only leads to an open big man, but lag on our defense which leads to more open players, usually a 3 point shooter. I don’t how different it is, but all the teams I have played on have figured a simple rotation out within a few games. I am by no means comparing my park and rec team to an NBA team, but come on now, the Clippers should be able to figure something this fundamental out!
Overall, we are getting into some bad habits, and I hope, for the Clippers sake, that we start to fix these things.

by SurfinQ00 on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

one play

And our only out of bounds play is pass to Blake in the post, have the inbounder run off of a screen. It’s a good play that has been used thousands of times. And VDN likes to use it 9134208 times a game.

#refsagainstLAC

by LJ Hann on Feb 21, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This play is TERRIBLE in end game situations.

I think it is fine in the middle of the game when Blake still has energy to do a spin move or just “raging bull”doze his way into the basket ( shout out to my boy timkempton hahahahaha), but in the end game, it is possibly worse than almost any other inbound play we can create (aside from two other inbounds that a specific player pulled off for our team). I have noticed that in the end, we will get it to Blake when we need a THREE. He often holds onto the ball far too long or he does something stupid like drive in a fish for the foul. If this is the best play we got, to the point where VDN uses it 9/10 times, then we KNOW we have a problem.

by SurfinQ00 on Feb 21, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seeing the Knicks makes me wonder...

why couldn’t the Clippers keep Novak around? Because a player like Novak is exactly what the Clippers could benefit from right now, someone who can hit that 3 pt shot when needed the most and who can stretch out defenses by just being that threat from outside, you know, like the SPURS!

p.s. wonder how many thought I’d bring up that Asian kid whose name I don’t have to mention…….haaaa

Donald heckled ME!!!

by DonaldSterlingSucks on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

that Asian kid has some problem with his armor

by wilriv21 on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

And that happened against the Nets

D-Will had his number.

"Fact One: Races are won or lost in key moments. Fact Two: Success in the sport is, above all else, about enduring suffering." - Chris MacCormack

by Chris McD on Feb 21, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

His stats look fine vs. DWill in their 2 matchups

1-1 vs. Dwill where the 1 loss was due mostly coz DWill had an amazing night shooting. Anybody would’ve had trouble guard DWill last night. If he can hold his own vs. Deron, I think he can play well vs. any pg in the league right now. Looks to me like the best way to guard him is to put a longer defender on him or just play good team D a la Chicago or Miami.

by Valdeezy on Feb 21, 2012 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think you left out the biggest reason for the loss
17 to 9 in favor of the Warriors. It's hard to win close games if you don't take care of the ball. With CP3 the team is usually pretty good at taking care of the ball (as opposed to the Mo/Baron run offense) but last night they weren't so they lost.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

yup

That was indeed huge.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Feb 21, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't see the game but

I always look at t/o ratios

"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

by Jax on Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

turnovers don't matter so much if they don't effect the game at the time!

with jlin he’s handling the ball mostly & penetrating, he’s going to have that high t/o.

brijo1

by ThaFoX on Feb 21, 2012 6:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Turnovers matter

nd he wasn’t even talking about Lin. but yes, turnovers matter.

#refsagainstLAC

by LJ Hann on Feb 21, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Turnovers most definitely matter!

That’s a lost possession and an added possession to the other team. If they score on a turnover, it’s almost as if we were put down by 4. We lose 2 points and they gain 2 points, pretty simple.

by SurfinQ00 on Feb 21, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Off topic but what's the general perception of Raja Bell?

I know he’s old, but he can defend against big 2s (which is currently a weakness of the Clippers), and has been on a hot streak of 3 pointers lately. Seems like he would be an upgrade over Foye if the Clips made a move for him, or am I missing something here?

by SoCalBoltFan on Feb 21, 2012 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

Would be a nice pick up

and he has one year left on his deal which MIGHT make Utah want to deal him for our trade exception. Would work out best if the Jazz start losing a little more and fall out of the playoff race before March 15.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

no

You just offer the trade exception. Jazz save money this year and next year. No one wants Gomes you need a sweetener to trade him.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2012 3:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The Jazz have not "given up" yet

I don’t think they are looking to cut salary, they still think they can sneak in 7 or 8 seed probably.

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

as I mentioned

Ideally the Jazz start to lose ground on the playoffs. Bell doesn’t fit into their long term outlook anyways and the probably prefer a lottery pick over a first round whopping by the Thunder.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2012 4:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not really

I’m sure they would prefer the revenue generated from Playoff games….lottery pick or not. They’re too good for the pick to be super-high anyway via bouncing balls. I’m a fan of Bell’s tho.

"After the first six minutes I was heavily winded"-Andrew Bynum

by oasisman on Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If the playoffs started today

they would likely have the 12th pick. But they are just a couple of games of moving all the way own to 8th.

Playoff revenue is about 1m a game. Would be quite an accomplishment for them to even get 3 home games out of it.

Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

by ClipperChuck on Feb 21, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all over that

Remembers when you could buy a nosebleed ticket at the Sports Arena and end up courtside.

by ganima on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Watched the game on replay because was out for the night

Seems like even though Udoh was hitting his jumpers game came down to the 2:48 mark when we went with Griffin and Evans they blew the game open

by KillaClip on Feb 21, 2012 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

+100 on why CP didn't shoot while Ellis was in the air

I thought the same thing.They were blowing other calls that night. This isn’t the reason they lost no but it played with his head in that instance. I wish he would’ve taken the chance though. But You never know with these refs.

by Rakelds79 on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Foye is a horrible SG. Mo Williams needs to start at SG

Trade Foye and Gomes for TMac to play as 2nd string SF. Bring in Eddie house as 2nd String SG.

by Thrashkill on Feb 21, 2012 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

This lineup will make the clips true contenders

PG – CP3/Bledsoe
SG – Mo/Eddie House
SF – Butler/TMac
PF – Griffin/KMart
C – DJ/Reggie Evans

by Thrashkill on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Mo is not starting at SG on this team. VDN likes him coming off the bench, he doesn’t have the size to play SG (against a lot of opposing SGs anyway) and he gets plenty of playing time coming off the bench as it is.

I do love TMac though.

by Michael White on Feb 21, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

T Mac would be nice

Again though, what do we trade him for?

TPE? Future draft picks? Bledsoe?

They dont need Foye or Gomes, that is for sure.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes but they dont need anything we have

They need a guy who can replace at least some of what Horford did for them in terms of post scoring, defending, and rebounding.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

No, they need cap relief

They spent way too much on Johnson, and they are still a middle-of-the-road team. They aren’t contenders, and they aren’t in the lottery. This has always been their problem, so our TPE could actually give them flexibility to improve to being a contending team, and all it would cost them is a player they aren’t using much. Our expiring players do nothing for them.

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for T-Mac

Another ball handler (no Reggie jokes please…) would just help with keeping turnovers at a minimum.

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You know we have reached a new level when

1) we now are the single biggest draw to date on the road in the NBA and 2) you go to the GSW Blog and they are as giddy as we were last year when we beat the Heat. They are all very respectful and not denigrating the Clippers like many blogs do. But man, are they happy!

I met my girlfriend through 800LoanMart but had to return her with interest.

by PV Mike on Feb 21, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

2) you go to the GSW Blog and they are as giddy as we were last year when we beat the Heat.

“Don’t get ahead of yourself,” Warriors fans get giddy on any wins we get. It does not matter if we won against the worst team in the league, or the best team in the league. That’s our normal reaction… the reason we are one of the best fans in the NBA.

You mean until now you guys is so insecure. That you have Cp3 on board and still think that your team is a mediocre team. You base it on GSW blog that your team reach the next level because we became giddy.

Let me tell you something Clippers fans. As long as you have CP3, you guys gonna be consider as one of the Elite team. Look at what you guys have done to the Hornets. EG does not want to play. Kaman is their best player. and they got 7 wins. Last year Hornets put Lakers on their knees during the playoffs. I guess some of you remember that.

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

mykelala01 is like the bouncer with the red rope for GSOM. You’re good to come in now.

by TheSoundOfHockey on Apr 24, 2011 9:24 PM PDT

by mykelala01 on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

All I have to say on the matter...

And I’m not a VDN hater, I just find him baffling at times, especially recently.

by ClippingSince99 on Feb 21, 2012 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

UDOn't mess with UDOH!!

I hope DeAndre’s massive contract was worth it, Clipper fans! Ekpe made Jordan his biotch!

GSW '12 CHAMPS!

by Potential on Feb 21, 2012 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

Ekpe Udoh is good though

I read a post on Golden State of Mind that said he had the 4th best adjusted +/- minutes in the league.

He is just an unknown.

by NewCavsfan on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

not even

6th pick in the draft 2 years ago. Not like he is out of nowhere…

#refsagainstLAC

by LJ Hann on Feb 21, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Just one game.

DJ is still the man—and a young man at that. He’ll keep getting better, he’ll keep playing smarter, and then he’ll be earning all that cash. Seems like he’s not mentally consistent yet, but with CP3 at the helm I’m sure he’ll start bringing his game-face every time in no time.

by 2-ScoopIceCream on Feb 21, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

As the Warriors are my other team, I feel qualified to speak on this...

The dubs dumped Lin just for a shot at overpaying DJ (who is overpaid for his talent, but not overpaid as a center in a league with no true centers that play defense). The dubs wasted their amnesty on Charlie Bell instead of using it on Andris, but this is because they went all out after DJ and found themselves with no center, so they couldn’t lose Biedrins.

I am much happier with how the Clippers handled the DJ situation than with how the Warriors handled the DJ situation.

But yeah, Udoh is playing like a beast. FINALLY a string of successful picks. No more of this Anthony Randolph Brandon Wright crap… Curry and Udoh are legitimate building blocks. I think they need to move Ellis, while he’s playing like a superstar, to get a proper 2-guard. But those are hard to find too. Maybe Ellis for sign-and-trade Eric Gordon, when Gordon is healthy again?

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally worth it

hope getting rid of Lin and losing the amnesty was worth your offer

by XXDC2XX on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

david lee and biedrins

those are some good contracts.

wine um, dine um, 69 um

by flightofthegriffin on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The Benches Must Be Deeper These Days
. The guy can’t do everything for 48 minutes.

In 1971-72 eight players played 72 or more games and averaged 42 or more MPG.

Interestingly enough five of those eight were 30 years older or more.

Wilt was the oldest. He was 35 years old played all 82 games and averaged 42.3 MPG

Havlicek led the league in minutes played. At 31 he played 3,698 minutes that season. He averaged 45.1 MPG for 82 games.

by Buddahfan on Feb 21, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

I'm confused..

why 71-72?

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

There are lots of best examples of stuff here and there

I just don’t get how he found it. You don’t just stumble on information like that. Like he went to all that effort to find all of that really interesting information, but what compelled him to dig that deep? I very much appreciate Buddahfan’s hustle, I just don’t think I’ll ever understand how he gets from point A to point Z. And it’s so deliberate too. Buddahfan, the Word-Capitalizing Enigma of Clips Nation.

"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden

by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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