What is up with all of these Laker-type deals?
by SurfinQ00 on Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM PST
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PrintOkay, so I am not going to call out any names, nor will I bash any specific deals, but I have always thought very highly of my fellow citizens for their intelligence and fairness when it comes to trade ideas. As the trade deadline approaches, more and more talks about us sending E-Bled or Foye somewhere will begin to rise; in general, talks of trades will start to skyrocket. I can't stop people from posting, nor am I asking you to keep your ideas to yourself; however, I hope that we can keep our proposed trades fair, you know, not like the whole let's trade Pau and Bynum and get Scola, D12, Deron Williams, Martin, and Kyle Lowry back kind of thing. I am all for freedom of speech and freedom of press, so don't try to say that I am extremely against this right. I hope to learn of various ideas and possible players that you think will help us out, but I just feel that we may come off as unfair and possibly even ignorant to outsiders; and that just doesn't seem like the image of Clippernation. Again, I am not trying to "hate" on anyone; I am just trying to advocate the concept of think before you speak, or in this case, think before you post. Anyhow, let's try to stay away from the image we have learned to hate, Laker fans.
Oh yeah, one more thing, teams CANNOT mix and match trade exceptions and players. I have seen quite a few of those all over the internet, and I hope that this can clear up some confusion. Thank you for your time.
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The ironic thing is this.
If the trade is so blatantly “unfair” (where the Clippers would get the better end of the hypothetical Bled + K-Mart for Pau deal), why do a majority of voters oppose that trade?
BTW, many thought that the original Pau trade was one-sided for the Lakers yet the Grizzlies did not fair that poorly. Did the Lakers get fair value for Odom? I guess this is all academic given that ESPN’s numbers are whacked but you are assuming that you know E-Bled’s upside and I submit that you don’t. He’s a middle first round pick and was undervalued in his draft. The Lakers accepted much less value for Odom and they are in the same diplomatic with Pau and they were with Odom, IMO.
I didn't want to name any names
But I’ll come out and say it, you pushed me over the top. And honestly, people most likely said no just in response to the trade idea itself. Think about it, we would be trading a bench PF and a bench PG for one of the best and most skilled big men in the game. It just doesn’t make sense. And yeah, many thought and still THINK that the Pau trade was one sided. There is no fighting that sometimes, bad trades will go down, but this, this was a little too far fetched. And please, don’t tell me about E-Bled’s upside and such. I have seen him play in Kentucky and I have seen him play in the NBA, here is the issue, his game hasn’t changed. He likes to dribble and he likes to play extremely fast, both aspects that you can get away with in college. In the NBA? I don’t think so. Honestly, he most likely isn’t going to be a STAR PG, if he shows steady improvement, he should be happy if he finds a place to start in 2-4 years. So yes, he was a middle first round pick, but undervalued? Where has he shown his immense value? He is a sweetner to our deals, and K-Mart would just be a throw in also. And sure, Lakers accepted much less for Odom, but there is one key difference, Odom didn’t WANT to play in LA anymore, Pau is still putting in 100%. So no, they are not in the “same diplomatic” Situation with Pau. All in all, there will always be bad trades and such, but one thing that differentiates Laker and Clipper fans is their intelligence and overall fairness. Lakers still defend that the Pau trade was fair, every other fan can see that it was anything but fair and Memphis just lucked out that the “2nd round draft pick” who came to be known as Marc Gasol panned out.
by SurfinQ00 on Feb 21, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Because it is clearly unrealistic
There is no point in making these type of trade scenarios that will never occur. I don’t mean to bash you at all, but in my perspective makes us seem very snotty. Thats exactly why I hate so called Laker fans, especial those who propose outrageous and unrealistic trades. We have to stay grounded!!
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
We share the same thoughts, thank you!
This was just my point. Sorry for making it such a lengthy post, I tend to do that. But long story short, I want to keep the Clipper fan image away from the Laker fan image, because I don’t want CN Citizens to join the sith.
That one looked bad on the surface, considering the Blazers didn't get any help in the short term.
But they did get Marc Gasol in that trade who is on his way to being a better player than his older brother.
That is one thing that I don't feel is a good defense.
I have looked into this, and in numerous articles, Marc Gasol was mentioned as a “Second Round Draft Pick.” To me, what makes it fair isn’t the luck that you are able to benefit from, but the players/draft picks you get which are known. Let’s take our CP3 trade. Why did I think it was fair? Eric Gordon showed great promise and the Minny Pick was and still is going to be a solid pick, even if it may not be a high pick. If you want to consider the extra things that came about, then it was a HORRIBLE deal for the Hornets. EJ played what 1 or 2 games? Kaman was sent home? The highly regarded Minny pick turned out not to be in the lottery? What makes it fair isn’t what happens from external forces and such, but rather, what the trade was meant to be. The Pau trade was meant to be Kwame+Cash+(Grant I believe?)+ A second rounder. If the Lakers decided to give a future 1st round pick instead of Gasol, I’m sure Memphis would be even happier!
The mini pick is still going to be a lottery pick
the Twolves are regressing down to their mean. But it definitely isn’t the golden top 3 pick we thought it would be before the season started. The thing with the CP3 trade is that you are never going to get equal value for a superstar (with the strange exception being the Melo trade where it seems Denver got the better end). The Hornets had two options, with the Laker/Houston trade they had the option of being mediocre with a bunch of expensive aging players, or they could go into full rebuilding mode with our trade. The league rejected the Laker/Heat deal because it wouldn’t have helped them in the long run. With our trade they will suck this year, which is what you want in a year with such a great amount of talent in the draft. They are going to get two lottery picks and shed a bunch of cash so that they can truly move on from CP3.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
correction...the acting-owner for the Hornets David Stern rejected the deal
not the league
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Uhm, what is it you think "regressing to the mean" entails?
The Wolves are 5-5 over their last ten, exactly matching their .500 pace for the year. Was that just a prediction? Okay. But basically .500’s been the pace all year.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
That plus the Lakers traded Aaron McKie, an ASSISTANT COACH ON ANOTHER TEAM
I repeat, AN ASSISTANT COACH ON ANOTHER TEAM, as part of the Pau package to memphis.
by kraptacular on Feb 22, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I would do that trade in a heartbeat
I voted no just cause I knew the poll didn’t matter and I don’t like Pau
#refsagainstLAC
Pau trade was lopsided
Even though Marc Gasol turned out to be a good player, at the time he was a 2nd round pick. Who else was involved in that trade? Kwame, Javaris Crittenton (who was a rookie and a mid 1st rd pick) and Marc Gasol who was a 2nd rd pick. Let’s pretend the Clippers made a similar trade to acquire a top notch player this year. It would be like us trading DJ (a developing big man), Bled(a mid 1st rd. pick) and Trey Thompkins (a rookie 2nd rd. pick) for Lamarcus Aldridge. How lopsided does that trade sound? I think we would do that trade any day..twice on Sunday.
Marc Gasol turned out to be a very good player, but at the time who knew? His value was that of a 2nd rd pick at the time of the trade. That Pau trade was one of the most lopsided trades in history. Fortunately that throw in 2nd rd. pick turned out to be an All Star caliber Center. As we all know, not too many 2nd picks pan out, much less become All Star players.
by Valdeezy on Feb 21, 2012 9:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why would we do that trade for LaMarcus Aldridge...
when we already have a star power forward and would be giving up our starting center?
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
it was just an example
To compare how lopsided that Pau trade was in ‘09..Aldridge plays PF, yes. And so does Blake. Isn’t that something coaches always describe as a “problem i’d like to have”? Play Aldridge at C. How many real C’s are in the L? I’m not proposing we do that trade at all, I’m just trying to let ppl see how that trade would look from our pov.
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
no, he didn't
He retire as GM in 2007, trade occured in 2008
big difference between the lamar and pau sitution
lamar was clearly upset being part of the cp deal that he personally asked kupchak for a trade. i remember being mentioned that he arrived late during the first day of training camp and he left after 30 min. as far i know,gasol has not asked for a trade and is still happy to be part of the lakers. in any case, the lakers could get a much much better offer from other teams than just martin and the unproven bledsoe.
I'm not in it to be famous. I want to... be the best. -BG32
by cliptakular on Feb 22, 2012 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Also a big difference:
Once they had Lamar’s deal off the cap, the Lakers weren’t under the same tax pressure. They’d just cleared $9 million.
The last thing we want to do is take long twos. It's still on our list, though.
BTW Jerdog don't take anything personal
I see you have been a member of this blog since 2008 (and likely a Clipper fan far longer than that), but recently we have had an influx of truly idiotic trade proposals by new members. It just happened that yours was a little out of the top, kind of like the icing on a very terrible cake
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance" -Jean-Paul Sarte
No worries. It's all academic with the bogus ESPN machine away. It's just that the Lakers desperately need good young point.
More importantly, the Clips need to get someone who can play center and who is not stupid, who doesn’t gamble on shot blocking, who doesn’t get into foul trouble, who can make free throws, who can box out/rebound, who can catch a loose ball that comes his way, and, oh yes, score from beyond three feet once in a while. I am not happy with DJ making $10 Mill. Talk about unreal….
That 10 Million is just about right for an NBA center.
I know what you are saying, but centers are so hard to come across in this league that you have to settle for what is there. Bynum is arguably the 2nd best center in the league (personally, I think it is Marc) but his IQ is extremely low. So it’s not all about playing smart, but at the same time, we should be happy that we have a center who isn’t terrible.
no matter how high bledsoe`s potential might be
te lakers wants to win now while kobe can still play. unfortunately, bledsoe is not the answer.
I'm not in it to be famous. I want to... be the best. -BG32
by cliptakular on Feb 22, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
can we trade Ryan Gomes to the Lakers for
an exercise ball, a couple sit up mats, some eliptical machines and a pack of chewing gum?
I am just as unhappy with Gomes and such, but
Let’s lay off the hate for a little. :) . Sure, he isn’t a great basketball player, but he is a great guy off the court and I think he deserves a bit of respect. I was just as mad as you were, I mean, he made my birthday worse via his pass, but now that things get straightened out, I see that it was also Del Negro’s faul, and to some extent Paul’s fault. But I still blame VDN. Sure, Gomes isn’t a great player, but he just doesn’t realize how to deal with it. Walton is a poor player also, but he is benched and never given time in vital situations, Vinny should learn that technique.
Dude this whole post was about NOT proposing one-sided trades.
Elliptical machines are expensive man.
Jk I luv u RYGO.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by Erik O on Feb 21, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LMFAO
This made me laugh out loud at work … I had to sign in and post!!!
by bigfish81ss on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
LOL! This!
"look, you can find any coach you want, bring him in here and run the situation. But I don't think they are going to do as good a job as I do." -Mike Dunleavy Sr.
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
That's true, I can stop reading the posts.
And once I saw Bledsoe+ whoever for some solid player I did stop reading it. I am just saying, let us not fall under a trap that our Purple and Gold counterparts have. I think one of the aspects of Clippernation that has brought me back has been the great writing and well thought out posts; however, there have been several far fetched trades that seemed to show a different Clippernation. I’m not one for taking SilverScreenandRoll ideas, but I think if it continues, we should just make an All Purpose Trade Thread.
50% of all Clipper fans should be banned from this blog!
This is because 50% voted against a (Bogus ESPN) Pau trade that was in favor of the Clippers. That way, only true basketball elitists may participate here. Yeah, No Laker-like snobetry in Clipper Nation. LOL……
We're not trying to be elitist...
we’re trying to be realistic. There’s really no point in talking trades if they’re all going to be ridiculously favorable to the Clippers.
Clippers // Chargers // Rays // Boise State
"The Lakers do win games. But things can change." - Blake Griffin
by 82-0 on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I voted against the trade because it was unrealistic
and because I hate Pau. I don’t know what dark nether region of your mind you picked up that unbalanced trade from but it needs to stay there. Part of my distaste for Laker fans is their pattern of making completely unbalanced and unrealistic trades. And your trade represented the epitome of that stupid dynamic. Trades posts like this make us look lesser in the eyes of others and I do not desire to follow the path that Laker fans have gone down.
"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"unknown
by bestclipfan on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So just to make it clear.
Are you calling ESPN’s trade machine bogus, or are you admitting your idea is bogus? Sorry, but I just want to make a point. If you think that your idea was in fact bogus, how would you feel if this site was FLOODED with trades like, Mo Williams + Gomes for Danny Granger or Cook+Bledsoe+Foye for Crawford. Honestly, I was not attacking you or any trades, I was just advocating that we keep our trades fair and reasonable; if someone was truly against a Pau Gasol for 2 bench player trade, they obviously don’t watch the NBA, and even though I don’t know all of the members here, I am pretty sure all of them watch the NBA.
I didn't like it because
Pau is ugly. Now way he could get a reality TV show. That’s what’s important right?
We got Pau, you got Paul, stop complaining.
Again, we got Pau Gasol, and you got Chris Paul.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 22, 2012 4:46 PM PST reply actions
Stop acting like our deal was bad.
Your trade was screwing over the Hornets for years to come no matter what. They got what, Scola, Odom, and Martin? Odom is playing horribly, Scola’s numbers took a noticeable dip from last year, and Martin is proving to be unhappy when he loses (which he would be doing in NO). There is another key factor here, their contracts are far from desirable. Overall, what would you be giving New Orleans? Several years of possibly an 8th spot only to be followed by having no owner and decent draft picks? That deal doesn’t look good to me. For you to believe that our Paul deal was as unfair as your Pau deal is absurd. Before his surgery, Gordon was playing GREAT basketball and he was regarded as one of the rising stars in this league. Kaman is a HUGE contract to take off the books and Aminu is barely making anything. Not to mention we gave them a very generous draft pick in next years stacked draft. So for immediate results, sure, our trade wasn’t great, but stop complaining. It is clear that 1) Sterns wants to sell the team and 2) He was looking to get a younger core with some upside. How does the Lakers trade fit that criteria? Older players (minus Martin), bigger contracts which would make potential buyers stay away, and not a great future. If you added Odom to Houston would they be a playoff team? No, and neither would New Orleans with those players. So please, our trade was more than fair and just because we got a superstar, doesn’t mean it was some crazy deal like the one Mitch pulled off for Pau.
A quick rebuttal to one of your arguments:
Yes, Eric Gordon has played about one or two games; that doesn’t stop the trade from being fair. Why? If Miami decided to go for it and trade LeBron for Dwight and Dwight had a season ending injury, was the trade fair when it was done? Yes. Just because it took a turn for the worst, doesn’t mean that Orlando “lucked out.” To me, you measure a players value WHEN he was traded, not after something already happened. Gordon’s value before the trade was high, after? It was very low due to his injury.
Actually sir, I was simply saying that both teams were a part of blockbuster deals.
But since you insisted on arguing, The Hornets would be screwed for a year, then they would get a top 3 pick ( not a pick from Minnesota who is on the bubble). Plus, there is no guarantee that Eric Gordon will re-sign with the Hornets. On top of that, Chris Kaman was almost traded as soon as he got there. So there, my argument, which doesn’t include, nor would it have included, “my rebuttal”.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 22, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Actually sir, I was simply saying that both teams were a part of blockbuster deals.
+1
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
But re: the actual deal
All of the stuff that has since gone down and made the trade bad for the Hornets isn’t really relevant. It’s about the deal at the time.
Just how all the stuff that has since gone down and made the trade decent for the Grizzlies (for the Pau trade) isn’t really relevant either. The deal, at the time, was insanely lopsided.
The fact that it worked out okay for the Grizzlies is beside the point. The fact that the Chris Paul trade didn’t seem to work out for the Hornets is also beside the point.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I'm confused
Are you saying that the Lakers team that was sent over would help them get a top 3 pick? Because that would not have been the case. You are right, we helped them more than we would ever know, now they get 1 high pick, 1 strong pick, and they can STILL sign Gordon seeing as he is an RFA. So it isn’t up to Gordon if he signs with the Hornets, because if he seeks a bigger contract (which he will) it will be in the Hornets hands. And Kaman was almost traded, but then they realized that he could be valuable cap space. Sure, Kaman’s value isn’t as high as it once was, but if he was traded, they wouldn’t have received absolutely nothing in return. So there is my rebuttal to what you have to say. Our deal was fair, your Pau gasol trade was not. However, I apologize that I missed the point of what you were saying about being a part of a Blockbuster deal.
How was the Gasol deal unfair?
“A quick rebuttal to one of your arguments” The trade weakened them at the time? Wouldn’t any trade involving a superstar end up being 1 sided? It weakened them for the future? Marc Gasol is leading the Grizzlies’ front-court with the absence of Zach Randolph.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, just ignore what you are saying.
He was claimed to be a “2nd Round Draft Pick.” If right now, we traded Kenyon Martin, Bledsoe, and Trey Thompkins for Lamarcus Aldridge, would it be fair? We can all agree, no, no it’s not. And let’s say Thompkins turns out to be a Danny Granger in 2 years, is it still fair? No, because we still traded a 2nd rounder and 2 bench players for a star center. So like I said, YOU DON’T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE LUCK AND EXTERNAL FORCES THAT CHANGED THIS DEAL (in caps because you obviously didn’t read my comment) but you take into consideration what was being dealt at the time. Look at our trade to the Hornets. Eric Gordon was and still is one hell of a SG, but he has played what 3 games? Still, it wasn’t see as a complete travesty, but yours? Yours was just the Lakers lucking out, and THIS is what makes many Laker fans ignorant. You are one of the few Laker fans that I respected, but you are slowly starting to lose it because you are too blind to see the truth. You analyze trades at the time they were traded (unless you are trading for someone who has a crazy amount of upside or a sure to be high pick).
i dont think the Laker fan will ever understand
How lopsided that Pau trade was. Some of you guys have explained it so clearly as to why it was an unfair trade. It happened 3yrs ago and the Grizz got lucky and Marc turned into an All Star. Just ask them this since they have Pau now: Would Laker fans trade Pau today for Ekpeh Udoh (Closest thing to Kwame I can instantly think of on GSW), Klay Thompson (early 1st rd pick guard w/ potential similar to Crittenton at the time of the Pau trade in ‘08-’09) and Jeremy Tyler (rookie big man w/ potential picked in the 2nd rd a la Marc Gasol in ‘08-’09). I would really love an answer from a Laker fan if they would do this trade (Pau for Udoh, Thompson & Tyler) for Pau today. It is very similar to the Pau to Lakers trade back in ’09 in my eyes.
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 5:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lucky?
Was it lucky that he is good? No, the Grizzlies clearly saw his worth and acquired him.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, yes it was lucky.
In some of the articles, Marc Gasol wasn’t even mentioned when they were analyzing the deal. In others, they claimed him to be a second round draft pick who the Grizzlies were given the rights to. If you are telling me that this deal was heavily based on Marc, you are part of the huge majority that is plagued by blindness of the Pau trade. I’m sure if the Lakers said they can have a future first round pick, it wouldn’t have made a difference to Memphis. I bet the Lakers could have excluded Marc in general and still have made the deal work. So yes, Memphis clearly got lucky, the only team that you could state knew what they were getting is San Antonio, because they have some amazing scouts.
Who were the Grizzlies looking to get back then?
And if they didn’t care for Marc, why not waive him as they have far inferior scouts than the great San Antonio Spurs (who have the best scouts, but not as good as you make them seem.)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
i have no idea what they were looking for
That’s why the deal was so bad, because they weren’t getting a single good rebuilding piece, if you think they wanted Marc Gasol who has a second rounder they could have drafted the year before, you are kidding yourself.
Why didn't they waive him?
Here’s an answer, because they had open spots in their roster. When have you seen a 7 footer be waived willy nilly without even being tested, not to mention that the Gasol name probably kept him around. And tell me, who did the San Antonio get with their near last pick? Manu. Who did the Grizzlies get with their high pick? OJ Mayo. San Antonio continues to surprise the league because even if they are “old” they still have GREAT young players. Why all the commotion in Memphis? Randolph and Gasol paid off. Same with Gay, but he was a much safer bet. So please, stop just trying to make assumptions into facts.
Stop living in the past.
What great young players do the Spurs have? Unless they took a magical elixir, Manu, Tony Parker, and Tim Duncan are on the tail end of their careers.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
The Grizzlies also attempted to undo the draft-day deal with Minnesota
The Wolves finally made a good decision, and said no.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, none of your points actually address the ones I make.
Congratulations, is your name Red Herring by any chance?
Really?
Than why did you feel the need to debate the first one?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
To get answers,
Because you obviously keep trying to defend your fans with little to no validity.
To name a few:
Blair, Splitter, Green, Neal. And I find it ironic that you are telling ME to stop living in the past. This coming from a Laker fan? hahaha. And the fact that you say that their “magical elixirs” are on the tail end of their career just proves my point. If they are all in their twilight years, how are they still doing great (Manu has even been injured). Answer: The have young players who are playing great ball as a team.
Blair, Splitter, Green, Neal....
of those, how many have been in the rookie-sophomore game? How many playoff series have they won in the past 2 years? You also forgot the youngest one of them all. Kawhi Leonard.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
1.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
1 has been in the rookie sophomore game.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Um okay?
So all of a sudden the rookie sophmore game indicates who is the best and worst? They are still solid players? I honestly don’t understand how you can criticize these players when San Antonio is killing both of us record wise, even with a low production Tim Duncan.
In a playoff series.
Both of our teams would beat them.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
And how do you know that.
You got swept by the Mavericks. The Spurs have been resting Duncan for the playoffs and Popavitch is a great coach. Stop living in the past, there is nothing that indicates who would win in the future, especially seeing as the Clippers have lost two games to them already.
OK, then.
The Lakers would beat them. Because we have. Since we’ve been to the playoffs a lot.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
What makes you say that?
Tell me, the Spurs have playoff experience just like you, they have an EVEN BETTER COACH (one of the best coaches in the league), and their defense is rock solid. Sure, they lost to the Grizzlies, but the Grizzlies were playing great ball. And this team has been to the playoffs, they have also been knocked out faster than someone can make an Ali reference to the words “knock out.” You told me stop living in the past, I think you should do that too. Not to mention, it would be nice if ALL Laker fans stop doing that.
I agree that Lakers fans should stop living in the past.
However you aren’t saying the Lakers’ playoff experience counts for nothing?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Are you saying that
San Antonio’s playoff experience counts for nothing? Sure, the Lakers have playoff experience but try to analyze the season and such. 1) Their Playoff experience left them faster than Kim to Kris last year. 2) The “Mike Brown” system is HEAVILY based on having a very healthy Kobe. Kobe isn’t a God, he get’s tired and as the season progresses, he will slow down. 3) The Spurs are playing smart ball right now, you can’t deny that. Parker and Duncan are staying fresh, and Manu is injured and they are allowing him to take off AS MUCH time as he needs. This will not only help them come playoff time, this will also improve their younger players. So sure, playoff experience is good, but it will only go so far.
I'm going to interrupt in this real quick
The Lakers would beat them. Because we have. Since we’ve been to the playoffs a lot.
If you’re going to say “I agree that Laker fans should stop living in the past” then you have to discredit that sentence. It’s contradicting yourself to say that Laker fans should stop living in the past and also say the Lakers would beat them because they have and have DONE it in the playoffs.
There is no certainty come playoff time, thus why Dallas was underdogs in all of the playoffs. There is a huge uncertainty and statistically, anything is plausible. The Laker’s experience will be there and should be taken into note, but so will San Antonios. Remember, the Lakers did it with Phil Jackson. San Antonio did it with Greg Pop. So the Lakers last won a championship, the Spurs are still on top and have their coach.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
he was a 2nd rd pick for Christ's sake!
If teams knew he was gonna be this good, he would’ve been picked up in the 1st rd. NBA teams knew Pau was a good player which is why he was drafted 3rd overall.
You still didn’t answer the question..would u trade Pau to GSW for the said players today?
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 6:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
How much salary would that take off?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Your majesty.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I guess a Laker fan shows his true colors.
Your arguments have all gone down the drain dude. And still, you don’t understand the fact that Marc was just luck. If he was a good player and people saw all the upside, he would have been a first rounder. You just avoid the strong points we make and mouth off.
Why are you even commenting on this?
Is there any discussion of Marc Gasol in the proposed trade?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
haha i see you just want to argue for the sake of arguing
I’m guessing your answer is “No” to that trade for Pau to GSW
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 6:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Haven't even seen that.
What is it this time? Do the Lakers want Steph Curry, Monta Ellis, and David Lee?
Manta Ellis & a second round pick for Pau is pretty fair.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
wow.....you aren't bashing me with personal attacks?
weird.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, you are actually addressing my post?
Like I said in this post, I want Clipper fans to stay elevated in their thoughts, and I plan to do so no matter what. I don’t know the Laker reaction, but here is what I think, and yes I know you and many people don’t care so stop reading if you wish to.
It seems as though Stephen Curry is being held back by Monta in one way or another. Different style games, but they both need the ball in their hands. This means that one is expendable, and it seems as though the Warriors would want to get rid of him over Curry.
The Lakers need a younger guard, and I think Monta fits the case well. I think Pau is more valuable, but hey, more power to you.
I also thought Pau was more valuable.
but I didn’t think you thought that.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Here is the reason:
Kobe can’t be traded. He literally can’t. It’s in his contract.
Bynum is a young player who is on the All-Star team. Imagine that.
Gasol is not as old as Kobe, plus he has no clause in his contract banning a trade. Finally, many in our kingdom were annoyed with his play.
If you ask me, we shouldn’t trade him or Bynum as they are actually good. We need to focus on our SF and PG issues.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
you guys should trade Pau for depth
Maybe for Scola and Martin then try to get Sessions for a first rounder and the Odom TPE:, that would be a scary team.
that is the deal we had with HOU.
We have no idea why they didn’t still do this while the Rockets could have gotten Nene.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think you should just keep Pau.
But the Lakers really are in a dilemma. I personally wouldn’t know how to fix it. Basically, I think you could have easily been a contending team had you done one thing, TRADE ODOM FOR A SOLID PG. Your roster is basically split up into 3 ranges:
1) Can’t Trade: Kobe
2) High Value Players: Pau and Bynum
3) Low-LowMid Value Players: The Rest of your Roster.
Lamar was the only one on your roster who was a mid-lowhigh value player, and THAT is the kind of PG you need. Honestly, when I heard the Lakers got nothing, the first words coming out of my mouth were, “Why didn’t they go after Hinrich?” If you had him, you would be deadly as any other team right now (minus Miami, damn they are good)
no Surf i was referring to my comparison to how that
Deal would look now..the Pau trade. I made up a trade comparable (talent/value wise) to the Pau trade of 3 yrs. ago and asked if Laker fans would trade Pau for Udoh, Klay, Tyler (3 players who are similar value-wise to the 3 the Lakers gave to the Grizz for Pau). and the question was aimed at SuperNerd.
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 6:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No. We aren't the fools the Grizzlies' were.
The trade wasn’t completely fair. However, you can’t say Marc Gasol didn’t pay off for them.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
That's the only issue with your reasoning.
It’s not that he “payed off.” The trade was completely unfair and they were lucky that one of their random guys turned out to be great.
Exactly, it was lucky.
Do you think the Grizzlies would send him back? No. In a way, it was poetic justice. The Lakers got one All-Star, while unknowingly trading another.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Still doesn't justify the trade being fair.
It just shows you that you have to be careful with who you trade.
OK.
The Lakers had a coup for Gasol. However, they got Marc. Looking to the future, that’s pretty good.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for your answer, SuperNerd
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 7:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you are very welcome.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
I WAS SAYING THAT IT IS BETTER FOR YOU PEOPLE TO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT LUCK, OR THE PAST, OR THE PAU GASOL TRADE BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE CHRIS FREAKING PAUL!!!!!! (In all caps since you are acting very hypocritical)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
We are acting hypocritical?
Haha, my you are a funny one! We feel that our CP3 trade was extremely fair. You have yet to point out how it is otherwise. It would be hypocritical if our trade was completely lopsided yet we condemn the Pau trade.
When did I say it wasn't?
you started arguing that we’re complaining. While you were complaining about something that happened 3 years ago! You ha no reason to still be mad about that as you were never in trade discussions with the Grizzlies. On top of that, you constructed a blockbuster deal of your own,where the Lakers were in discussions with the Hornets, and you got Chris Paul. In conclusion, stop complaining about Pau Gasol if you are going to act like that.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not complaining about Pau Gasol now
I am using it as a defense as to why Laker fans can be seen as ignorant, and you are just proving my point for me. I have come to accept that bad deals will happen, but then you came in saying things about Pau Gasol. I just want to point out that your deal was extremely unfair and that is one thing Laker fans dream will happen again. And you obviously thought it was SOMEWHAT fair if you claim that Memphis knew what they were getting with Marc Gasol. In conclusion, don’t try to make some sort of defense for the 99% of Laker fans who are intelligent (or to you 99% of Laker fans in general), because you are just making my case for me.
Wait up. Did you say 99% of Lakers fans who are intelligent?
You just contradicted one of your comrades. Also, you are the one who made up an argument for me. And a rebuttal that was just plain stupid!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
You are the one going around your argument
And honestly, you don’t understand percentages. I can say that the 99% of Laker fans who are Filipino are….. There are still 99% of them. You didn’t see my point did you? You think 99% of Laker fans are intelligent, and that’s why I put those parenthesis to explain that. But sure, there is a percentage of Laker fans who are smart, I know them. So please understand your basic math. And my rebuttal was stupid? It was just pointing out something that you STILL fell under the trap of. I was pointing out that YOU HAVE TO ANALYZE THE DEAL DURING THE TIME IT HAPPENED, and then you go out and start talking about Marc Gasol. That rebuttal was to stop that.
My reference to ESPN was that their trade machine result was not accurate. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother to post this.
You still haven’t explained why 50% are against the trade if it’s so imbalanced Regardless of your elitist abilities, any explanation on your part is pure speculation. Liars figure but figures don’t lie.
Not sure that I am interested in posting again here even though I have had some decent posts in the past. Admittedly, this was a weak post, although it’s pulling some traffic compared to other posts. Now that we have the thought police in full swing along with a budding editorial review board, the negativity, swearing and all the rest that goes on here saps much of the enjoyment of visiting here.
I am perfectly fine with ANYONE posting here.
I was merely saying that we should try to keep our thoughts reasonable. And why are you so blind. ANY TEAM WOULD TRADE TWO BENCH PLAYERS FOR PAU GASOL. Stop trying to justify such a far fetched trade. You made a mistake with the ESPN trade machine because of the messed up numbers, I’m not punishing you nor will anyone, I am just saying, what makes a Clipper fan a Clipper fan is usually his or her intelligence and fairness; I do NOT want that to go away. What is there to explain? 50% of the people are against the trade because it is just absurd, and I am not lying, look at the comments. People voted against it just because of the unlikely and whimsical nature of such a deal. It’s like saying, should the Lakers trade McRoberts, Barnes, and Steve Blake for Blake Griffin? So no, I am not trying to suck the fun out of Clippernation, I am just trying to keep it somewhat sophisticated and not so crazy. Finally, something that stands out is that you have been a Clipper fan since what, 1989? Well if you are such an avid fan, how would you think that K-Mart is making 15 million dollars? You can brag about the little trivia you know, but that error was a pretty major one. Yet again, I’m not trying to be an elitist and I’m not trying to attack you, but before you start becoming super defensive about your trade and such, and then ask to “compare history notes” with another Clipper fan, think before you post.
Are you implying Laker fans are known for being idiots?
Because you know that is the 1% of Laker fans?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Really, the 1%?
And I suppose I should not generalize, but I beg to differ that ONE percent of Laker fans are idiots. Please, more than 1% of all fan bases are idiots, and the Lakers stand out. Sure, SSR may have some very intellectual members, I don’t doubt that, I include you as one of the few that is in fact smart and fair. However, I can go there and find 20+ members who obviously don’t know what they are talking about, not to mention the hundreds of Laker fans on ESPN boards. I think SSR is one of the few places that there may be a majority of non-idiotic Laker fans, but that doesn’t mean that you represent ALL Laker fans.
I would beg to differ
I know there are intelligent Lakers fans. I know some personally, I’ve talked to some on boards like this.
But the VAST majority of Laker fans are people who don’t know about basketball and root for the Lakers because they are in LA and win.
Look at it this way:
Let’s say there are 100,000 people in LA.
15,000 are true, intelligent Clippers fans
15,000 are true, intelligent Lakers fans
the other 70,000 are people who support the Lakers because they are local and because they win.
Does the lack of intelligence of those 70,000 diminish the intelligence of the 15,000 true Lakers fans. Absolutely not. But you have to accept that percentage-wise, more Laker fans are unintelligent because there are simply more bandwagon Laker fans.
For the record, whenever I say intelligent or unintelligent, I mean basketball-wise. My history professor is a UCLA grad, very smart, who, upon seeing my CP3 shirt, tried to talk with me about the NBA. He knows a bit more about the Enlightenment than pro BBall.
#refsagainstLAC
Of those 70,000
I’d estimate 30,000 have since bandwagoned over to the Clippers, while 40,000 remain with the Lakers. All 70,000 are idiots and no one likes them.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Congratulations, a comment that makes you seem like a jerk, and narrow minded!
Don’t flatter yourself. There will always be more Laker fans than Clipper fans. Secondly, there are much more Laker fans than 70,000. Finally, I can assure you, if you go overseas and show a foreign fan a picture of the Lakers logo, or a player on their team, it would be much more recognizable than if you did the same for the Clippers. Thus how can you say all Laker fans are idiots, or that nobody like Laker fans? (Besides Clipper fans like yourself)
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
*much more Lakers fans who like the Lakers because they are local and/or win than 70,000.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
* who would
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
To be quite honest, you are proving to be one of those idiots...
Sorry buddy, but the 70k was just an example number. Do you think LJ really believes there are only 100,000 people in LA? Of course not, because he is intelligent, sorry if you are not accustom to those types of fans. And we aren’t arguing that the Lakers have more fans or a more recognizable name, of course they do, we are arguing that there we have SMARTER fans. Just because you can get recognized doesn’t mean that you are smart. Same thing with being liked. Recognizable is not synonymous with intelligent or liked. There is your faulty premise which leads to your weak argument. Thanks for playing.
Did you even try to read my following comments?
Thanks for once again not paying attention.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Haha you are a joke.
I had respect for you, and now that is a thing of the past. Let me QUOTE you as to point out where my arguments came from.
Secondly, there are much more Laker fans than 70,000
Two Issue with this: *many more and the emphasis on the much shows me that you think that LJ made a mistake with numbers or something along those lines.
it would be much more recognizable than if you did the same for the Clippers. Thus how can you say all Laker fans are idiots, or that nobody like Laker fans?
So basically, your argument was based off of the word RECOGNIZABLE. You say they are much more recognizable than the Clippers (logos and fans included). Then you jump to the conclusion that Laker fans aren’t idiots? True, there is power in numbers, but that power doesn’t necessarily derive from intelligence.
Wow.
DID YOU EVEN READ MY CORRECTIONS? ARE THEY NOT THERE?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
You still don't see the point.
We don’t care about numbers, sure, there are millions of Laker fans who like the Lakers for other reasons, but it is just a number that we pulled out of nowhere. So please, I read what you have to say, and you just don’t get what I’m saying. We could have said, lets say there are 10000000000000 Lakers fan, blah blah blah. Would you all of a sudden jump on our case for saying there are 10000000000000 Laker fans?
My god.
Are you even comprehending the main point of this discussion? The intelligence of Laker fans? I just took a jab because I am annoyed with the points made by some of your fellow fans.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
My God.
I can’t speak for my fellow fans, but I can defend Clipper fans because I am one. You are avoiding my real comments and then saying more and more crap. So go ahead, say all you want to say, but unless you ADDRESS MY ARGUMENTS, you aren’t arguing with the right people, especially because many of them aren’t even here. So go, explain to me how you know that the Laker internet fans are the all of the stupid ones, yet the thousands of local fans not online are the smart ones? Go ahead, tell me how you can somehow communicate with ALL of those other ones? Unless your name is Professor X, I doubt you can just read their minds and such.
How do you know they are dumb?
Since you are so confident in your beliefs? And don’t say I am avoiding the question as this will help prove my point. What’s that? What is my point? Why it’s that Clipper fans and Lakers fans are equally intelligent.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, I don't know exactly
But there is this thing that scientists do, they take a small sample from all over the place, and then make an estimate as to the rest. Sorry, I don’t know the name of this (took Bio several years back), but they basically have a test sample and from there, they base the rest of the population off of that ratio. But here is what comes through my mind.
You claim that the majority of “dumb Laker fans” come from the internet. Well, that is our sample. Sure, I know some Laker fans in real life too, some of them are smart, and some aren’t. So let’s be generous, say that out of 10 from the internet and 10 from my life are taken into account. I would say about 7/10 would be dumb from the internet and a 5/10 (that’s being generous) in my life were dumb. So basically I have that 12/20 of them are dumb, and thus, the majority of Laker fans are dumb. True, I can’t have exact numbers, but that is how I came to my conclusion. Where do you get off saying that they are all smart when you admit that the internet has a ton of stupid Laker fans?
The dumb ones?
Yeah, those aren’t real Lakers fans. Those are the same ones who jump from team to team.
Although, there are dumb true fans in every fanbase.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose this isn't exactly my strong suit
But I just don’t feel that the Lakers have a huge amount of Bandwaggon fans, especially with the teams in this league right now. On the boards that I go on, the “dumb Laker fans” hate the Clippers and Heat, so those don’t seem to be bandwaggoners to me. Just my 2cents, but yeah, I get what you mean, I hate bandwaggoners because they give real fans who have waited for such a moment a bad name.
Those are the dumb true fans.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed.
As do I. As do I.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wow you really sound not smart on this one
I think i have discuss with you previously and believed and still believe you are one of the smart ones. The idea of the example by LJ was to say that the reason why Laker fans are seen as idiots is because since winning teams attract bandwagonners and those tend to be idiots then there are more idiots fans that are Lakers. He is saying the ratio idiot fan-smart fan in Laker fan is higher than in Clippers fan, not that the amount of smart fans is lower.
I said 99% of Lakers fans are intelligent.
The ones who consist of the majority online, are the 1%! I also never said
Clipper fans were dumber!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a little bit confused, seeing as your punctuation isn't needed.
But here is what I got. You say that 99% are intelligent and 1% is dumb. And that 1% happens to be the hundreds of online posters and accounts. All the Laker fans that you haven’t communicated with are the intelligent ones? We can vouch for the people online, we see what they say and see their stupidity. But for you to say that the local ones are all smart is ridiculous. Let’s say there are 100,000 Laker fans. (using numbers here, so be careful with what you say) and you claim 99,000 of those are smart ones. Well, how would you know that they are smart if they are all around the world and you can’t see their communications?
Because the majority of all teams' fans are normal people who love their team because they see a quality in the team that they like, or because they play for their city.
You are right as I cannot prove that said 99,000 Lakers’ fans are smart. This I concede. However, to say that 99% of those fans are dumb is…..well…dumb.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't say that 99% are dumb.
I said the majority. I reasoned out how I got to that conclusion. You said 99% are smart, I could have easily been implying that 51% are dumb.
I see your point.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
My lord this guy is frustrating.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wow
Way to miss the point.
Who cares about the numbers? I’m saying that there are a certain number of idiots. Most of those idiots stayed with the Lakers, but some of those idiots went to root for the Clippers. Because they are bandwagoning idiots.
Get it?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wow dont be so offended, Jerdog
The trade you proposed we make on your post was totally absurd. What most of the people here are asking of each other is that we keep our trade proposals (and everything else basketball related) reasonable. Like Surfin said, EVERY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE would trade 2 of their bench players for Pau Gasol. And as has been said repeatedly, people on here voted against that trade because it is so absurd. A trade like that would never happen.
by Valdeezy on Feb 23, 2012 1:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOOK PEOPLE WE NEED A NEW PF!!
I DON’T KNOW THE GUY’S NAME WHO STARTS NOW BUT PAUL GASOL IS THE MAN!!!
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 PM PST reply actions
Those are the stupid Laker fans.
Don’t judge all of the Lakers’ fans because of those.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, I just came to the site after the Knicks/Heat game
to see what appears to be a teenage girl Facebook fight.
I met my girlfriend through 800LoanMart but had to return her with interest.
by PV Mike on Feb 23, 2012 7:00 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That is funny.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
See ya later, I have to do my homework.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:08 PM PST reply actions
You aren't watching the Laker game?
That’s blasphemous!
I am.
At the same time! Scandalous!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 23, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
reply from previous post about the LOPSIDED deal of memphis&LAL
“Udoh, Klay, Tyler (3 players who are similar value-wise to the 3 the Lakers gave to the Grizz for Pau). "
The situation of grizzlies and lakers trading pau is different. the grizzlies wanted to clear cap space as much as possible and be as bad as possible, the lakers are putting pau in trade block because they want to contend.
If the Lakers are a lottery team, I would CONSIDER the offer stated above. Yes, the Pau to Lakers was lopsided, and Marc may not turn out to be what he is now. But do you think the Grizzlies are regret it?
And do not hate the Lakers about that LOPSIDED deal, because we all know that big cities and/or stars always have advantages to other teams. Chandler to NY? CP3 to LAC? KG/Allen to Boston and so on..
Hoping the Clippers stay at seed 2 or 3, while the Lakers stay at 4 or 5 so that there is chance they meet at the West Finals..PEACE out..
by letsgolal on Feb 24, 2012 6:00 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
yes.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 24, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
Just wanted to point ou
Chandler to NY was simply Cuban trying to conserve space. Clippers don’t exactly attract a lot of attention, but they did ever since Blake, so it isn’t the market.
Chandler to NY, is the same as Pau to the Lakers.
Except, Pau to the Lakers resulted in 2 championships, that’s why a lot of people are still upset about it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 25, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Chandler to NY
How is Chandler to NY, the same as Pau to the Lakers??
Dallas was ridding themselves of cap-space, Memphis was ridding themselves of cap-space.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 26, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Not the same
Chandler was a FA, Dallas could have try to retain him but in the end he was a FA. Gasol was top big-man who has under contract with the Grizzlies, he was at least worth Bynum.
The Grizzlies didn't want Bynum!!
THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THEIR BIGGEST SALARIES! Not bring more in!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 26, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Wait..
what? Bynum was still on a rookie deal and nobody knew of Marc Gasol’s potential.
Are you really that afraid to admit mistakes?
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
People knew of Bynum's potential, he would have got the same deal he got with the Lakers.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 29, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
Just wanted to point out :)
I clearly stated “we all know that big cities and/or stars always have advantages to other teams”. And Pau to Lakers was simply Grizzlies trying to conserve space (at least the grizzlies receive some young players and draft picks)
Peace out.. :D
I see your point
But I think a trade and free agency is different. Pau didn’t demand a trade like Dwight or CP3, so I honestly don’t know why Memphis would do such a thing. A big cities picks or money isn’t any better than some random cities.
That is Memphis's fault.
If they offered you guys Pau for a soda and french fries, you would do it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 26, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I admire your tenacity and passion for the Lakers
Do you have any desire to come to a highly exclusive serene place called Poetland? I am giving you a personal invite.
I met my girlfriend through 800LoanMart but had to return her with interest.
lol
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Feb 29, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
I don't personally get into hypothetical trade talk,
but for what it’s worth, most of it — whether well thought out or over the top — is just banter. Eh, nothing wrong with having a little fun and being a little over the top when you’re a fan(atic) of a team.
When it gets overly silly on SS&R, those with a clue tend to step in and bring the bell-curve outliers back down to Earth. There’s room for the entire gamut in a fanbase.
In the meantime, it’s early in the All-Star Game, and I’m enjoying watching a starting lineup that features two Lakers and two Clippers get out to an early lead. Go West!
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"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")
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As a Laker Fan i have to admit the Pau trade was lop-sided
In hindsight we can say it wasn’t since Marc turned out pretty good, yet at the time i didn’t recall seeing a trade as lop-sided as that… At the same time did i care? Nope… Would i care if another team did it? Nope… Im pretty laid back with unfair trades, the only time I’ve ever had an offensive reaction to a trade was the vetoed trade of CP3… And in the end i think even the CP3 trade we’re going to have to wait to see how the draft picks turn out, Gordon and Kaman were absolutely useless to the Hornets, but at the time of the trade i wouldn’t have said this considering they’re both great players…
All in all the Gasol trade at the time was very lop-sided… Yet in hindsight Memphis got a fair deal with how it turned out… All such a head case issue… so confusing…
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
It all comes down to winning in the long-term, or winning in the short-term.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 3, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
yes definitely but that's in hind sight man
The Gasol trade at the time was a steal literally, it was day light theft and as a Laker Fan… I loved every moment of it… All we have to do is look at all the interviews with experts who were just flabber-gasted (correct spelling?)… With that being said, long term, the Griz came out ok which in the long term evened out the deal, yet at the time i still think it was one of the most one sided trades… The same could be said for the Kobe Bryant trade, when he first came to the Lakers it would have definitely been a lop-sided trade as the Lakers gave up an international star in Divac for a kid who never played a game… But in hind-sight, we got one of the best of all time….
"If you're a basketball player, you've got to shoot" - Oscar Robertson
But the Lakers made that trade with an eye on the future.
It was mutually agreed theft.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 3, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
LOL there's absolutely no way of debating with this guy
he is unwilling to open his eyes and ears and is shut off from the outside world, constantly living on his own opinions. Take it for what it is, it was a lopsided trade to the world, but to this superblind, it was a fair trade.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
Constantly living on his own opinions?
Sounds like you. The Grizzlies agreed to the trade! They wanted to throw Pau away for nothing! They got lucky however, and received Marc Gasol. You don’t see Memphis fans still complaining!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 4, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Just stop
It wasn’t fair, nothing you say will make it fair, just be happy you got the deal to go through. Just because someone says yes to the deal, doesn’t make it fair. If a teacher told me that 2+2=22, it’s not right just because she teaches math. There are lopsided deals and this was one of them. Good job on getting a one sided deal.
Why are you still complaining anyways?
It already happened, you can’t change it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 4, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't care that it happened anymore
But I hate how you can’t admit that it was unfair. But seriously, when I make good points, do you just change the subject?
I admitted it was unfair a week ago.
And is the last part a question or a statement?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 4, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Both
More of a rhetorical question.
Wait, so a week ago you said it was a lopsided trade, and now you’re back to saying it isn’t? Seems you, yourself, have no idea what you are talking about or where your own opinion stands. There was no rescue here, superblind.
"Things change when something is taken away from you" -BG32
I admitted it was lopsided a week ago.
What I am saying now, is that it’s just stupid to keep complaining about the trade. Whenever you trade away a superstar, you almost never get a fair return.And the last part of your comment? I have no idea how you came up with such a funny joke, keep them coming because they never get old.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 5, 2012 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
And
I’m pretty sure you are the one who said Marc Gasol turned out well and such. And yeah, it was a rhetorical question.
Yes, I did.
Your point is?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
by SuperNerdToTheRescue on Mar 5, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
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