Williams not trade bait
Didn't they also say EJ wouldn't be traded?
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no one promised him he wont be traded
Just that they will give him some kind of notice if they hear a interesting deal.
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by ClipperChuck on Feb 6, 2012 9:05 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe
With EJ, the organization thought that they were out of the CP3-race, so they wanted to avoid an Odom-like situation and tried to ease the minds of their players by promising that they were not trying to trade them. Their mistake, however, was that they spoke far too soon, as the Hornets had no other options and had to soften their stance (no longer asking for both EJ and Bledsoe, just EJ), and the Clippers were suddenly back in the race. Oops.
Should the team have discussed the trade with EJ, Kaman, and Aminu before making the deal, like they are promising Mo here? No, because it’s Chris Freaking Paul.
Likewise, if the team gets an outstanding offer for Mo, should they discuss this with him before making the trade? If the player they get back is as amazing as Chris Paul, then no, they shouldn’t ask Mo’s permission. But now that they’ve made a promise to Mo to talk to him, what are they going to do if they DO get some incredible offer that Mo doesn’t like? Rock, meet hard place. The thing is, though, unlike EJ, Mo is less likely to bring in some incredible amazing package like that, so we’re probably not missing out on much. Still, if it comes along and we can’t pull the trigger because of this, I’ll be bummed.
On the flip side, after trading away half of our old team to the point where I barely recognize the squad, some loyalty moves like this will do some good for the team’s PR. Important from a basketball standpoint? No. Important from a “Why I love the Clippers” standpoint? Yes.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
With EJ,
the situation was different because Neil and VDD would not budge on trading EJ. That is what caused the Stalemate in the CP3 Talks. So Neil was confident it telling EJ he was safe. DTS was the one that said to pull the trigger in the Trade, when the guy that writes the checks speaks you do.
I am sure Neil explained this to Mo and it is “Off the Record” and Mo is a Pro and understands.
Good thing for Mo is that there is not any one worth trading for that are on “Bad Teams” right now.
"Your Hate Will Motivate"
But now that they’ve made a promise to Mo to talk to him, what are they going to do if they DO get some incredible offer that Mo doesn’t like?
its not like he has a no trade clause
they simple talk to Mo before the trade goes down and says…“Mo, thank you, you’re great…but this is a deal we had to accept. I hope you understand and good luck”
that is talking to him before it is confirmed…before Twitter gets to it
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
That's pretty good
And I think we’d actually be better served starting Fields and bringing Butler off the bench as the offense, but I don’t see that happening (from an ego standpoint). I think we could try for Bledsoe for Fields first.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Bledsoe + ball signed by Blake Griffin & Chris Paul for Fields
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If that happened it would be settled, Neil definitely read Wages of Wins
by Michael White on Feb 6, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
That would be a nice trade
Bledsoe for Fields would be very good.
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I'm sure that he knows that if the right deal comes along . . .
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Question for those who are saying, the "right deal comes along"
What trade makes sense for the Clippers?
Mo for Dwight Howard
LOL
but really. if we trade him, we NEED to get someone back that can put up as much offensive fire power as him. and if we are looking for improve we need a bigger guy. a backup SG/SF type player
so really we need a taller Mo Williams…i’m not sure where to find one. so it comes down to…
do we trade Foye instead for a defensive backup SG/SF and keep Mo as the offensive gun
or trade Mo for at least two players and hope Foye+one of the two has enough offensive game to compensate and the other able to fill the spot of a bigger defender
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
the only maybes i could possible see are
Marvin Williams ATL
Thaddeus Young 76ers
Nick Young Wizards
Anthony Morrow Nets
JJ Reddick or Jason Richardson ORL
i can’t see ATL moving Williams now that Crawford is gone and Horford is hurt
i think 76ers are pretty much in love with Young
Nick Young might be pretty good…not much defense, a little inconsistent…we would be giving up too much to get only Young. And there isn’t much else we can get from the Wiz…and we are through with draft picks
Morrow, offensise…check…everything else….i’d rather have Mo. plus Mo’s contract is lighter anyways I believe
JJ or JRich? if the Magic are going to into fire sale mode…JRich might be interesting if he has anything left in the tank and JJ is a nice shooter, but not big enough to defend bigger guards/SF…so that would be a wash
all in all…i’d rather just keep Mo because the only other players more valuable are stars on their respective teams
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I'd rather just keep Mo and somehow wriggle Jared Dudley out from Phoenix for Bledsoe.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
actually i'd try to trade Foye for Dudley
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Oh yeah definitely
Actually to make it work, it’d have to be Foye + Bledsoe for Dudley I think.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Moving Mo isn't really gonna move the meter from good to great.
Incremental improvement, at best, for a “taller” version of Williams.
Oh hell yes
I’d do that in a second.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Lopez is a great backup center
He’s huge and plays D. Dudley is a lot better than people think he is. Mo is better than both of those guys, but Foye and Gomes are so much worse, it’s fair.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Great back up C? No. There's a reason why he's a back up C
and it’s not because he’s GREAT.
I’d rather keep Mo & add another scorer at the deadline rather than do that deal you cosigned.
That's an underwhelming list.
Marvin Williams? I’d rather take McGrady, but not for Mo.
Thad Young: Why would the Sixers do this?
Nick Young: HELL NO.
Anthony Morrow: Nope.
JJ Reddick/ JRich: Orlando wouldn’t deal Reddick. JRich’s peripherals are down this year. Mo is more efficient.
exactly my point
those are the only maybes that could be had…and neither look anything interesting. Mo is still better
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
yea, thats y i ended it with...
all in all id rather keep Mo
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
I consider Mo master bait
for a good defender 3.
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
like who?
and while a defender 3 is ideal….
do u really think a Bledsoe-Foye back court can fill the offensive gap left by Mo?
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
As I see it
You trade Mo for an absolutely perfect fit (Thabo, Tony Allen) which isn’t happening. Otherwise, you just keep your stud bench player and trade Bledsoe to round out the roster.
by Michael White on Feb 6, 2012 4:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much
Though Clips need to monitor Mo. If they think he opts out this summer maybe they need to make a lateral move or they have a really weak returning bench.
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its a good problem to have.
Teams that are filled with this much talent will always experience turnover (dallas is a great example). For Neil, now that he has built a winner, he will have to continually find value every year to keep them there.
If its not Mo, it may be Chauncey. Although next offseason will be a toss up (i believe gomes and foye will be gone, as well as cook, so moves will have to be made).
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