Moving past Feb 7, 2012
As you may have noticed, the FanPosts the sidebar have been empty this morning aside from the Recommended section. SBNation was experiencing some performance problems that were apparently related to FanPosts, and so this precaution has been put in place while the support team is investigating further. In the mean time, I promoted this one to the front page. You can still access New FanPosts by clicking here, or by choosing "All FanPosts" from the sidebar and then sorting by "Recently Posted". Steve
Not everyone knew what we were getting when he signed his deal with the Clippers. We all hoped he could contribute at a high level. We hoped this would be a good fit for him, that signing in Los Angeles would reignite his basketball career, and he could help bring the Clippers to new found heights. But February 7 2012 would put an end to that dream in the cruelest of fashions.
Solomon Jones has been waived by the Clippers.
In all seriousness, the loss of Chauncey Billups for the year with a torn Achilles is a problem for the Clippers. By signing Chris Paul this offseason, the Clips launched themselves into the spotlight and got a superstar (and to date, a legitimate MVP candidate). But the aquisition caused some roster problems. Prior to losing Chauncey, the Clippers really had 5 point guards on the roster (counting Foye as a pg) and no true shooting guard. We also have no true back up center, which is why Solomon Jones was on the roster to begin with. Yet the experiment has been a success thus far, with Billups playing the shooting guard spot admirably. With his injury, the Clippers will now likely insery Randy Foye into the starting lineup and continue to bring Mo WIlliams off the bench, as he has been excellent in his reserve role this season. There is no reason to think the Clippers cannot still be a competitive team with a chance to make a run as currently construed. Chris Paul is fantastic, Caron Butler has been even better than expected, Blake Griffin appears to be hitting his stride, and Deandre Jordan continues to improve as a basketball player every night. But Neil Olshey and the Clipper's front office need to find a way to bolster this lineup going forward, and its going to take some creativity to make it happen.
With a quality starter at every other position, the priority must be to acquire a shooting guard. A quick analysis of the Clipper payroll, trade chips, and available shooting guard talent and one quickly realizes that the options to make a move via trade are pretty bleak. The alternative option, and a name that has been thrown around for some time is JR Smith. Smith, the former Denver Nugget and current expatriate, will no doubt be a polarizing figure among any fan base. He has a reputation of being a "chucker" and a hot head, and despite possessing tremendous talent, never played his way into starter minutes in Denver under George Karl. But the fact remains that JR Smith IS a tremendous basketball talent and a free agent who just so happens to be exacly what the Clippers need in the wake of Chauncey's Injury.
Per 36 numbers:
Chauncey Billups (thuis year)
pts: 17.7, asst: 4.7, reb: 3.0 stl: .5 3pt%: 38.4 FG%: 36.4 TOV: 2.4 FGA/game 13.5
JR SMITH (2010/2011)
pts:17.7 asst: 3.2 Reb: 5.9 Stl: 1.7 3pt%: 39 FG % 43 TOV: 1.8 FGA/Game: 14.3
Pretty interesting stuff here. Looking at the numbers, it seems that JR is pretty perfect replacement for Chauncey in our offense. He rivals Billups three point shooting and actually shoots a better percentage from the field (and thats true for career numbers, not just the numbers seen above). Chauncey, a natural point guard is the better passer, while Smith, younger and more athletic, is the superior rebounder, and come away with more steals. He has never been known for his defense, but I thought JR Smith made some strides in this area in his last NBA season, and the improvement in rebounding shows that he was working harder on the court. It also helps being 6-6 amd 26 years old. The effort hasn't always been there, but the ability has.
So why does JR agree to sign with the Clippers? Well in addition to getting to play in Los Angeles at Staples Center (an minor upgrade over the home court of the Zhejiang Golden Bulls) the Clippers just signed his former team mate Kenyon Martin to a deal. Perhaps more importantly, the Clippers can now offer JR Smith a starting spot, something that could not be said when Chauncey was still healthy. Add to that the ability to play with Chris Paul and the open looks he can get, and it seems the Clippers are a great fit. With few other clubs having the ability to make an overwhelming offer, the chance to be a contributing factor on a playoff team for a (and championship contender) could go a long way for JR when he tries to get a long term deal next year. And his desire to get a new contract could be an insurance policy for the Clippers, as he is likely to behave himself under these circumstances.
It might all be for nothing, as JR still has to find a way to make it out of China, and the Clippers need to find a way to pay him. But this would be a mutually beneficial partnership, and could be exactly what the Clippers need to make a deep push. The Clippers can't replace Chauncey Billups savvy or leadership, but they can replace his scoring, and I believe they need to. Whether or not they try to get a deal done for Smith, the Clippers must move forward and make a move to improve this club, because we still have a chance to be very special this season.
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This again?
Awfully long front-page post for something that’s already been debated ad nauseum.
And for the record, the objections to JR Smith go waaaaay beyond “chucker” and “hothead.”
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Billups was pronounced out for the season yesterday, this fanpost speaks directly to Smith as a replacement for Billups.
If it doesn’t interest you, feel free to ignore it.
by Michael White on Feb 8, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
The key word being "yesterday"
When pretty much every point made in this FanPost was made on other threads.
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Not everybody reads through the 300 comment poop-flinging threads which often devolve into nasty personal attacks between commenters.
I must have missed when you were elected a moderator of this blog. If you find the topic boring, you don’t need to read it let alone comment (I don’t read or comment on every story posted here.) Judging from the fact that there are several comments and that Steve promoted it to the front page, there seems to be plenty of interest in this topic.
by Michael White on Feb 8, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't mean I can't comment on the fact that I find it redundant
Didn’t realize you were elected the arbiter of appropriate comments. If my comment doesn’t interest you, you are equally welcome to ignore it.
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Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
I thought your comment was rude. Somebody takes the time to write something and you immediately shit on it for being (in your opinion) redundant.
by Michael White on Feb 8, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
OK, my bad
You’re right, the way I said it was rude. My apologies. But I don’t agree that merely “taking the time to write something” makes it off-limits for criticism. I offer plenty of praise to those who write things that bring new ideas to the table. To me this was pretty much all rehash of the same stuff that’s been talked about constantly for the last couple of weeks.
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Why don't you just ignore it if you don't like it?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Dumb-dumb says what?
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Why does everything have to be about you?
As Mwhite said, Johnny took the time to create a nice writeup. He’s a Clipsnation citizen. Why not just leave him alone and move along?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Dumb-dumb says what?
This is all very ironic coming from you. “Why don’t you just ignore me” and “why not just leave me alone and move along” are exactly what I’ve been saying to you for months. How about practicing what you preach?
And P.S., that was pretty classy there, piling on after I already apologized. You had nothing to do with any of this, and it was resolved before you arrived. So why does everything have to be about you?
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Dude - you grate on many of us here daily
I for one think your entire approach to this blog is exceedingly rude.
And that wasn’t really an apology.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Pot, meet kettle
I’m sure I annoy a lot of people. So do you. But ask the Citizens which one of us contributes more knowledge, insights, facts, links, and ideas to this site, and I guarantee you I’ll win in a landslide. You offer nothing other than a silly, single-minded worldview that Olshey is a God, because you somehow think it validates your equally silly views on Dunleavy. You reply to stat-based facts with useless platitudes, and generally prove over and over again how little you know about anything. And despite all that, I have refrained from replying to your thousands of stupid comments for months. If you would only have the class to do the same, then we would never get into these stupid squabbles, and Clips Nation would be a much more pleasant place for everyone.
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Minor disagreements
I don’t think a starting 2 is the most important priority for the Clips. I think bolstering their bench is far more important in this shortened season. Starters will be huffing-and-puffing very soon, and injuries will happen – Clips are not exempt from this. If they’re depending on D-Leaguers to come in off the bench later this year they will be in trouble. You still have 4 guards on this team that are used to starting (once Bledsoe rounds into shape). The Gs are fine.
Additionally – VDN appears to have little ability to deal with “special personalities” – from what I’ve seen it’s the assistants that deal with the tantrum-ers. Admittedly I’m not in the locker room and this is speculation, but Coach doesn’t come across to me as someone that can put his foot down if things get out of hand in the room or on the bench. And – by bringing in JR Smith, you appear to be inviting problems.
I don't know about that.
I’m not a fan of Smith or Vinny, but Vinny did call out Baron last year when he reported out of shape and injured. I’m not sure where you’re getting that he leaves it up to the assistants.
Brining JR would have been a good plan
But now that you have Kenyon you do not want two knuckleheads on your team.
Despite some of the silly headlines we have been reading about Smitty in China from the interviews I have read he seems like he’s finally starting to mature. I believe he is coachable but not around the likes of kmart.
Save your money and take a pass on JR.
What are we saving our money for again?
This is the veteran’s minimum we’re offering. If he’s a knucklehead and starts causing you to lose games, you can bench him because he’s being paid less than Brian Cook. There’s very little risk and plenty of reward here.
Nice name ;)
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Also...
As a Nuggets fan, who has presumably watched plenty of JR over the years, I am extremely grateful for your contribution to the conversation. Most of us only see numbers or headlines, nothing else, so it’s good to have this perspective.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If CP, Billups, Kenyon say yes, then what's the objection?
Those guys know JR and his abilities on the court more than any of us. All i hear ad nauseum from the JR haters is how awful he is as a person, how awful his sisters are for starting fights in the crowd, how he killed his friend in a reckless car accident years ago, and yes- all awful. I am not a fan of him as a person at all.
But the guy can play. And on a one year deal with the blessing of CP? No long term risk there.
I hope Olshey looks for other options via trade, but if JR ends up a Clipper, he may end up being the deciding x-factor scorer that helps the Clips reach the finals.
You're going to rely on Kenyon's opinion?
A guy who’s been on the team for 2 days and, more importantly, is a Class A Knucklehead himself? Might as well get OJ Simpson’s opinion of JR too…
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CP gets the final word of course
And if CP says yes, Olshey doesn’t hesitate.
by cassellmania on Feb 8, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's relying on the first two opinions a lot more :P
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
JR is a good guy.
There have been lots of stupid moves in years past but especially last year there were no temper tantrums, always talking nice about other teammates etc.
If you had to choose between two former Nuggets JR is the one you want. Did you get that 72hr return receipt for Kmart?
Was it considered weird in Denver when he tried to change his name to Earl?
I remember that, when he tried to reinvent himself, but it didn’t take.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I guess his real name is Earl so it wasn't that weird.
We heard a few comments here and there but it never really became news. I am GLAD about that!
If tha'ts true why didn't Karl ever start him?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
There's a reason for that, no?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well, somewhat.
I would be lying if there weren’t days where I’m thinking, ‘trade JR!’. But there are other days where I feel just the opposite. George always hated him no matter what. It has always been a mystery.
I remember this one night where JR played a fantastic game. Scored a bunch of points, played good D and so on. An exceptional game all the way around. In the press conference after the game George says “JR missing a free throw almost lost this for us.” Every season George picks a player he’s going to hate. In JR’s case it lasted a few years.
Come on
I remember Karl commenting on why he didn’t start him in the press. He basically said that JR despite his enormous talent is a selfish knucklehead player. It’s all about him. I suspect that JR is just a dumb guy, which is ok, but which prevents him from being the star that his talent would otherwise allow.
This is a difficult choice for Olshey.
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
It's true, JR at times is a selfish knucklehead
So is George which is why he didn’t want JR around to steal his spot.
Seriously - you don't like Karl?
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Allen Iverson is a SG and available
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Can we add a poll about what the Nation thinks about JR?
I propose keeping it simple:
Should we attempt to sign JR Smith?
- Yes, he’s a good basketball player, despite his off-court issues.
- No, he’s too much of a headcase and is not good for the club, despite his basketball skills.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
just put up a poll
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
Great idea
I fear I’ll be in the minority on this one, which makes me really, really sad.
Proudly enduring the pain since the days of Bill Walton's foot.
Now living the good life in Lob City, CA.
There's two of us. Actually there might be about four of us.
It ain’t gonna happen anyway. Vet minimum pro-rated for half a season. Knicks can offer double and still need him more.
agree...
i’m in the no camp…didn’t know about all the pay stuff though…this guy needs to pay for his wife and momz bail money…no way he’s taking a cut…
"Blessed is the person who is too busy to worry in the daytime
and too sleepy to worry at night."
Author Unknown
See my other post on the poll about pro-ration
The pro-ration helps the Clippers, if anything. It turns a small difference ($1.4mil) into an exceptionally small difference (~$500k). This can only be about which team will get him the bigger contract next year. Which team will make him shiny to the next suitor. But I’m in the pro-JR camp, so I’m definitely seeing this with my glass-half-full goggles.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
J R Smith:
JR reminds me of Ricky Davis, may not be a good comparison, good basketball talent with baggage.
Patriots, Clippers, Angels fan since 1980
except Ricky knew he was a vet, a mentor
he has also become a very devote family man…he was also injured and just thankful someone took a chance on him
JR…not so much
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Funniest triple double in Clippers history
But boy did it add fodder to the Clips being a joke.
"Fact One: Races are won or lost in key moments. Fact Two: Success in the sport is, above all else, about enduring suffering." - Chris MacCormack
Sorry. A moment of confusion.
Almost triple double and he wasn’t in a Clippers uniform.
"Fact One: Races are won or lost in key moments. Fact Two: Success in the sport is, above all else, about enduring suffering." - Chris MacCormack
What jr can bring to clipps
Is also his girlfriend and his mom. May become handy against the lakers. And we still dont kno who his grandma is. Lol bit i think jr will workout
by arman martikian on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Sit them next to Clipper Darrell and watch them just talk crazy smack to Laker fans, during the next Lakers-Clippers game.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If Paul agrees and if J.R. has mutured a bit
I think J.R. would be a great replacement. He gives us the stats that we need, but also helps us defensively since he has the size to guard 2guards. I think between paul, butler and hopefully billups(if he stays on on the sidelines) we have the veterans to keep J.R. in check. I don’t think it would really hurt the team anyway, they seem to be too close knit to let one guy ruin their chemistry. The question is will he sign with the clips….
Sign him
you can always cut him if he becomes a distraction. At the minimum he can’t hurt you as much as Brian Cook. That’s just impossible.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.
I love how Cook's WP and PER and WS all state that he's effectively cancelling out an average player on the team. So when he's in the game, it's 3 vs 5.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
"Love" might have been the wrong word.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
We're not judging you ;-)
"[Fans are] not technically a lot of times savvy. They don't understand and they don't weigh issues the way that [I] weigh them."
Mike Dunleavy, Sr.
by Jax on Feb 8, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
"Love means never having to say you're sorry"
Bet you are not old school enough to know this one w/o google!
"Cheikh Samb, the player who allowed us to emotionally move on from losing Keith Closs"
if that is all we are doing why not just sign Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas?
the moar former all-star pgs the better right?
Ralph, "Last year so often with Blake Griffin you would see these things coming, with Paul, he's so crafty, all of a sudden boom there it is."
Those guys suck now
JR Smith is just 26 and is still a good player.
Help us Altered Beast you're our only hope.

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