Trade Rumors: Shooting Guards On The Market

Could a few months in L.A. turn that frown upside down?

As you all undoubtedly know, the Clippers are in desperate need of a shooting guard ever since the Chauncey Billups injury. Tons of names have been tossed around, from youthful players to experienced veterans. With few facts, limited rumors, and tons of questions, I set out on a mission.

My mission? I contacted other SBNation bloggers with trade offers, and "offered" them trades. I let them explain to us what their team is looking for, how they feel about our players, and whether or not they would accept my trades.

My trade partners? The Cavaliers (Conrad Kaczmarek), the Celtics (Jeff Clark), the Hawks (Kris Willis and Jason Walker), and the Trail Blazers (David Deckard). So let's look at the negotiations.

Trade Partner 1: Cleveland Cavaliers

Clippers Trade:

TPE

2015 second round pick- Memphis

Cavaliers Trade:

Anthony Parker

This trade doesn't do alot for the Clippers. Parker is an experienced veteran wing, but can he still contribute to a contender?

Perhaps Conrad's response can help us a bit:

Yup, deal. Honestly, I'd trade you Parker for a bag of Sour Patch Kids.

Trade Partner 2: Hawks

First, let's look at what the Hawks desire in a trade, from Kris Willis:

From where I sit, the Hawks have two goals for this trade deadline and that is to a) get under the luxury tax threshold (they are slightly over) and b) gain some salary relief in future seasons.

Offer 1:

Clippers Trade:

TPE

2015 second round pick- Memphis

2015 second round pick- New Orleans

Hawks Trade:

Tracy McGrady

Tracy isn't what he used to be, but this deal still helps the Clippers. TMac remains a better option on the perimeter than Foye, Gomes, and Simmons.

Kris Willis on the trade:

I don't think the Hawks would consider the trade, because while yes T-Mac was unhappy, he is cheap and is signed for only this season. I think they also see him playing a big role for the team during the post season which is why they have been so careful with his minutes in the regular season.

Jason Walker:

Up and down and as undependable as McGrady's body is to the team, his rotational value this season overwhelms the value of second round picks. Add-in his veteran minimum deal and the Hawks don't even have a reason to liberate themselves from his contract. Would have to pass on this one.

So, that one sounds like a definite no. Our next option can be found on the same roster.

Offer 2:

Clippers Trade:

Randy Foye (4.25 million, expiring)

Brian Cook (1.22 million, expiring)
2015 second round pick- Memphis

2015 second round pick- New Orleans

Hawks Trade:

Marvin Williams

Marvin is a whole different dimension from Tracy. Younger, and a far superior defender, he could be exactly what this team needs. So what do the Hawks experts think?

Willis:

Option 2 is intriguing at least for me because it would off load Marvin's contract which runs through the 2013-14 season. I'm not sure where Foye or Cook would fit in but combined with the draft picks I would think the Hawks would at least have to consider the deal since both Foye and Cook's contracts expire at the end of the season.


With the Joe Johnson and Al Horford extensions and Josh Smith entering a contract year next season combined with the fact that ownership isn't likely to go into the tax area means that the Hawks must find some flexibility somewhere. I know they have shopped Marvin Williams the last couple of seasons but apparently have found no takers.

Walker:

A more interesting proposal, in that the Clippers would be taking on the remaining 16 million or so over the next two seasons for Marvin. This would allow a little more flexibility next season, as the Hawks are burdened by Joe Johnson's famous contact, Al Horford's deal and Josh Smith in the last year of his contract.


However, the Hawks have to take advantage of the remaining peak years of Joe's prime and their productive frontcourt as well, so unless there was some rotational value coming back in this deal to help this season AND provides relief, I wouldn't do this trade either. If the Hawks were out of the playoffs, surely this makes sense, but have to try and get as far as possible now, so Marvin would have to stay.

Well, it sounds like a better response than we got for the TMac trade, but still only a maybe. Is there anything else out there?

Trade Partner 3: Trail Blazers

Offer 1:

Clippers Trade:

Eric Bledsoe (3.3 million, 2 years remaining with a 2.6 million team option for year 3)

Randy Foye (4.00 million, expiring)

Trail Blazers Trade:

Jamal Crawford (5.00 million, with a 5.00 million player option for year 2)

Offer 2:

Clippers Trade:

Randy Foye (4.00 million, expiring)

2015 Second Round Pick- Memphis

2015 Second Round Pick- New Orleans

Trey Thompkins (535K, with 2 year team options)

Travis Leslie (535K, with 2 year team options)

Trail Blazers Trade:

Jamal Crawford (5.00 million, with a 5.00 million player option for year 2)

It's the trade that alot of us have resigned as a "backup" of "fallback" trade. So how would the Blazers feel?

From Blazers blogger David Deckard:

It's good thinking but I think these trades are not going to work from Portland's perspective. The Blazers could use a lot of things:
1. Team-transforming talent this year. (That's probably not coming from any Crawford trade but it's still a need.)

2. Depth and/or help at targeted positions (likely point guard) this year.

3. More cap space/flexibility over the summer.

4. Young players with a good chance to make a difference in the next couple years or significant draft picks.


A package centered around Foye, even including players like Bledsoe or Thompkins/Leslie doesn't do anything under the first category. Nor does it really help the second. Foye is a short shooting guard who can't shoot. The Blazers already have Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews at that position. Both are taller, far better defenders, and can shoot better than Randy. The Blazers could use a point guard but that's not Foye. Bledsoe can't hit a shot either. A point-guard who can't drain a three is a non-starter topic in Portland right now. Since the Blazers want to work the ball to Aldridge and then kick-out for the jumper, Bledsoe would be a handicap...even worse than incumbent Raymond Felton. The Blazers would probably go with their own draft pick Nolan Smith over Bledsoe in the rotation.


Neither option helps the Blazers on the books. Crawford will opt out of his contract. Foye's contract expires but Bledsoe's doesn't. Neither do those of Thompkins and Leslie.


So you're looking at Option 4 here. Do these trades bring significant draft picks or young players who will make a difference down the road? Foye, no. Bledsoe, probably not. The other two? That's a long shot too. Even though second-round draft picks are nice, the odds of any of them making the team and making a difference are long as well.


In short, it's a Foye-for-Crawford swap from the Blazers' perspective, with the possibility of having to commit a little more cap space to extra players. Even though he's disappointed so far for the Blazers, Crawford shoots better than Foye, has a better history and more potential, and the contracts are about even. That works out to no deal unless the Blazers are somehow madly in love with one of those lesser players you mentioned. I doubt they are.


If you switch to Wesley Matthews the cap situation gets better but that would be the only reason to make the trade. Unless the Blazers are desperate enough for that extra space to give up on a kid that they recently pinned as part of their future core, it doesn't make sense.

Yikes. That doesn't sound too encouraging either. Now, rumor has it that the Clippers, not the Blazers, declined a similar Bledsoe-for-Crawford swap. But I will go with the logic presented by David over the rumor mill, and assume that these deals are a long shot.

Well, folks. It's time for the big one.

Trade Partner 4: Boston Celtics

Clippers Trade:

Eric Bledsoe (3.3 million, 2 years remaining with a 2.6 million team option for year 3)

Randy Foye (4.00 million, expiring)

Brian Cook (1.22 million, expiring)

2015 second round pick- Memphis

2015 second round pick- New Orleans

Celtics Trade:

Ray Allen (10.00 million, expiring)

This is the best case scenario for the Cippers. It's the deal that has everyone crazily excited, and has Steve herding us back into our seats. How does Celtic blogger Jeff Clark feel? Well, strongly enough that he wrote a whole feature about the rumors.

Here's his response to my proposal:

Bledsoe is an interesting prospect but only makes sense if Danny decides to blow up the team. I don't think he helps us out now and I'm not sure how much of an upgrade over Avery Bradley he would be. Foye and Cook don't do much for me and neither do the 2nd round picks. In short, I'll take my chances with Ray and hope he signs an extension at a lower cost in the offseason.

He even included a poll to see how Boston fans felt about my trade. The results were unencouraging. Nearly 1,000 votes were cast, and 84% of Celtics fans rejected the trade. A mere 8% agreed, while 7% were undecided. Follow the link above to read the Celtics fans' comments.

Keep in mind that, just as we tend to do ourselves, everyone overvalues their own players. But this presents a great angle of perspective for us as we break down the different rumors in the coming week as the deadline approaches.

This wasn't meant to be a "reality check" post, like Steve had a few days ago. But really, it's a reality check for me. I mean, how excited would we be if Olshey brought in Anthony Parker? Probably happy, but not ecstatic. Maybe Neil has a tougher job than we reckoned.

Special thanks to Conrad, Kris, Jason, David, and Jeff for their speedy feedback.

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