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Q vs Bruce Bowen

As a corollary to the Maggette-festo, some have chosen to place thier hatred on Quinton Ross.  I can't say that I understand this, but I will say that I do understand that some are still failing to look at the situation with cold, rational eyes and are still seeing the situation through the eyes of a fan.  I can't fault a person for that; not everyone has my gift of lacking feelings.  One thing that comes up again and again is that MDSr. has been wrong about Ross' abilities, specificially in comparison to Bruce Bowen as part of an implied dream of making the Clippers more Spurs like.

So let's do the rational thing and compare their seasons head to head.

Bowen plays more minutes than Q, so per game and per season totals aren't really interesting, at least to thinking folk.  Let's focus on the per48 numbers and PER.

Quinton Ross is better than Bruce Bowen in the following per48 minute or non-time dependent stats: FG%, FT%, ORB, TRB, STL, BLK, TO, PTS and PER.
Bruce Bowen is better than Quinton Ross in the following per48 minute or non-time dependent stats: 3P%, PF.
The following categories are functional ties: TS%, DRB, AST.

I've bolded TS% because this is important to the discussion that Bowen has a better 3P%.  This is clearly undeniable.  He takes alot more 3's and he makes them at a better clip.  But here is how TS% is calculated: PTS / (2*(FGA + (0.44*FTA)).  TS% attempts to take into account your 3P%, your 2P%, and your FT% and (along with AST and TO) tells us what happens when you get the ball.

Here's what happens: They get a similar number of assists, they score a similar number of points when they look to score (despite obviously very different O games), and Q turns it over less.  Given that MDSr. is often credited with inventing the idea of eFG%, I'm sure these advanced stats are not lost on him.  Q also gets you more steals, blocks and rebounds by hitting the offensive glass.

The only conclusion a rational person can come to is that Dunleavy isn't wrong about Q, he's more than right.  Comparing apples to apples, last season Q was at worst exactly the same as Bowen, if not moderately better.

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I would point out, however, that to say he was exactly the same or moderately better is ignoring the defensive end, which is, after all, the reason that they are each on the floor.  Defense is of course infinitely more subjective than offense, and essentially impossible to quantify statistically.  I for one would argue that Q is as good or better a defender than Bowen at this stage of his career (he's now 35), and that if Q had Bowen's reputation and the minutes, he'd be first team all-pro.  But that's just my opinion, and impossible to prove.  I will point out this little tidbit as relates to reputation:  Bruce Bowen averaged about 3 personal fouls per 48 minutes this season, while Q's rate was about 50% higher.  Bowen is of course the most physical wing defender in the league.  Why so few whistles?  Because he's Bruce Bowen.

One last ClipperSteve addendum to this thread:  When I look at Q, I think about Michael Cooper of the Showtime Lakers, and I wonder if Q could add a three point shot to his arsenal.  Michael Cooper made a total of 16 threes his first 5 seasons in the NBA.  He then turned himself into one of the best three point shooters in the league, making 89 of 231 in 86-87.  I know they look mild by today's standards, but trust me, those were really big numbers 20 years ago.  Coop was second in the league in threes to Larry Bird's 90.  He was 8th in percentage.  Obviously it would be too much to ask for a top 10 three point specialist in Q, but my point is that it is a skill that can be developed.  

by Steve Perrin on Aug 16, 2007 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

He's stuck in the offense
Whatever handcuffs even Mobley from taking more 3's has to apply to Q too.  Its tough to figure ANYTHING from 10 attempts, but he hit 2.  One of them I obviously remember vividly and it was exceedingly clutch.  He looked comfortable from that range; at least as comfortable on O as Crazy Legs Quinton can look.  You gotta assume 1 or 2 of those 10 attempts were heaves.

In this season requiring testing out new things, I'd like to see him chuck at least 25 through 15 games (within the offense) and see where he's at.

by John R on Aug 20, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember that one
It was clutch and he buried it.

by mp on Aug 21, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he can make them
He looks solid from that range to me.  I mean, he makes a high percentage of his 20 footers, and he looks the same shooting the three to me (the few times he's taken them).  I also believe that many of those 8 misses were heaves - he doesn't take them unless he is forced too.  

Mobley should definitely take more.  In fact, the whole team should take more, with the exception of Thomas who knows his role.  It would actually be an interesting way to go this season (if Kaman can be counted on to force some doubles, and to effectively pass out of them, big IFS I realize): spread the floor and shoot the friggin' ball.  What's the worst that can happen?  They'll lose 50 games?  Well, guess what?

by Steve Perrin on Aug 21, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowen also has a great advantage
there are usually four other very good defenders on the floor with him at any given time.  He rarely has to take up the slack for anyone else.

Q is often charged with having hide Sam or Maggette on the defensive end.  His rotations are usually flawless.  I have seen instances where he covers his spot and another guys spot on the same play.  He does an admirable job one on one against most scorers, but he really shines as a team defender.

by mp on Aug 16, 2007 10:18 PM PDT reply actions  

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