A Clipper a Day - Quinton Ross
Since I am doing my 'Clipper a Day' series in no particular order, I can be opportunistic about what I write. In today's OC Register, Art Thompson III covers Ross' off-season work to expand his shooting range (a subject I've discussed in the past), so I thought today would be a good day to post about Q.
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Speaking of the draft and Quinton Ross, our recent discussions of John Hollinger are semi-relevant here. As part of his analysis of college players in each of the last 5 drafts prior to this year, Hollinger ends up rating Q as the 19th best collegian from the 2003 draft, for what it's worth.
During his rookie NBA season, Ross began building his reputation as a terrific on-ball defender. In his second season, during the Clippers watershed 2005-2006 campaign, that reputation grew. Ross played in 67 games and started 45 in 05-06. (He was limited to 67 games and also somewhat limited in minutes by recurring back spasms that season.) He started every playoff game for the team, drawing defensive assignments against Carmelo Anthony and Steve Nash. Fair weather Clipper fan Bill Simmons described him as Bruce Bowen 2.0, and he was a particular darling of MDsr who once called Q's defensive rotations in the Denver series 'nearly perfect.' Certainly there's a 'homer' element to superlative descriptions of Q's defense - as we've discussed at length, evaluating good defense is difficult and subjective - so I was particularly impressed when Warriors color analyst Dick Barnett described Q as the best defender in the NBA at staying in front of his man. Make no mistake - Quinton Ross is a very good defender.
Of course all of this put Q smack dab in the center of a controversy for the team. Ross became the starter when Corey Maggette was injured in the 17th game of the 05-06 season. When Maggette returned to full health, the team was playing well and MDsr decided to bring Maggette off the bench. The Clippers domination of Denver followed by their near upset of Phoenix in the playoffs got the coach and others fixated on the lineup. The high hopes of 06-07 were in part dashed by the horrible chemistry created with Maggette coming off the bench.
There is no definitive answer for the age-old offense versus defense trade-off in the NBA. No one is going to argue that Corey Maggette is a better defender than Quinton Ross, nor is anyone going to argue that Ross is a better scorer than Maggette, but you can't have it both ways. (Here's where I'll insert the obligatory "although Ross did average over 20 points per game at SMU as a senior.") Of course the debate should involve Cat Mobley as well - Cat offered to come off the bench last season and has made the offer this season again. But as much as MDsr loves Quinton Ross, he loves his Blanket even more. Cat has been second on the team in minutes (behind only Brand and far ahead of Maggette) since he became a Clipper.
Entering the 06-07 season, coming off significant playoff success, the Ross experiment made a certain amount of sense. Elton Brand had just averaged close to 25 points per game. Kaman, Cassell and Mobley were (on paper) legitimate scoring threats. Sticking Ross, a glue guy and strong defender, on the floor in the starting lineup wasn't a stretch. There seemed to be plenty of offense with the other four. Why not start your best perimeter defender? The fact that he doesn't need (or want) the ball on offense was almost a good thing with 4 other capable scorers out there. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it didn't work. The team underachieved all season, and only began playing focused basketball after Maggette was re-inserted into the starting lineup after the All Star break. Unfortunately, the Clippers played the end of the season with Jason Hart at the point due to injuries to Livingston and Cassell, and although the team played much better, they fell just short of the playoffs.
Entering 07-08, the situation is just as cloudy, but arguably less favorable for Ross. With Elton Brand sidelined, the Clippers will have significantly more trouble scoring (and it wasn't that easy last year). Can they afford to start a player that is widely regarded as an offensive liability? There are some factors working in Q's favor however. For one, he's one of only two proven shooting guards on the roster (along with Mobley), although Maggette will certainly get minutes at that position this season. For another, with Shaun Livingston injured, the Clippers' crew of perimeter defenders is that much thinner. Brevin Knight will draw the quick point guards when he's on the floor, but Ross is the only other player on the Clippers roster remotely capable of staying in front of Tony Parker or Steve Nash or Allen Iverson.
If Ross were able to develop his offensive game more, it would be a big plus. At the beginning of last season, it looked like he was turning a corner on offense. He scored in double figures 8 times out of 14 games in the month of November and was shooting well over 50%. Unfortunately, he only scored in double figures 9 more times the rest of the season, and ended up at 46.7% shooting - easily the best shooting percentage of his career, but a significant drop off after his hot start. More significantly, his scoring average dropped back down to 5.2 points per game for the season - barely different than his career 5 point average and not nearly enough at any rate.
If he were actually able to develop a reliable three point shot it would totally change the equation. After all, Bruce Bowen has started and played a significant role for the champion Spurs with fewer offensive skills than Q, save for his ability to make three pointers. Before you dismiss the idea as unrealistic, let me throw a couple things at you.
- Quinton Ross made 170 of 513 three pointers (33%) as a collegian. Sure the line is shorter, but shooters in college are usually shooters in the pros. Besides, the corner three (Bowen's bread and butter) is basically the same distance as the college three.
- Michael Cooper of the Lakers Showtime era made a total of 16 threes his first 5 seasons in the NBA. He then turned himself into one of the best three point shooters in the league, making 89 of 231 in 86-87, second to Larry Bird in threes made.
So it can be done, and in fact many of the best wing defensive stoppers have done exactly that to be able to remain on the court.
Unfortunately, the experiment is not going well thus far. In four pre-season games, Ross has yet to have a decent game on offense and has had two real clunkers (2 for 9 against Portland and 1 for 6 against Phoenix). He is 6 for 21 overall, and 0 for 3 on three pointers. Still, I like the idea a lot. One of the more interesting trends I noticed last year was that teams who took more threes tended to win, whether they made a high percentage or not. I've made it clear that I think the Clippers should spread the floor and shoot the ball more - ideally they'd sign the shooters to allow them to do it, but I'd like to see them shoot more threes even with the personnel they have, and that includes Quinton Ross.
This is going to be a very interesting year for Quinton Ross. For the past 2 seasons, his floor time has come almost exclusively at the expense of Corey Maggette, but Maggette will clearly be needed to play big minutes as the number one option on offense until Brand returns. How will MDsr distribute minutes at the shooting guard, between the two players widely perceived as his pets, Blanket and Q, while also keeping Corey on the floor? Can Q prove himself to be a capable scorer at the NBA level? It will be very difficult to find him minutes if the defense is allowed to ignore him. And all of this is occurring in a contract year. Ross will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season. For four seasons, he has been one of the best bargains in the NBA: a rotation player and some time starter playing for the NBA minimum. In fact, I defy you to find another NBA player who fits that description over four seasons. Obviously he won't re-sign for $800K. But between there and the mid-level exception (the magic number that any team in the league looking for a proven wing defender could conceivably offer him) is a big gap. We know he can play defense and the Clippers will want to keep him going forward for that alone. If he can become a legitimate threat on offense, he can increase his value to the team, and to himself.
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A Set Shot?
The difference between the college 3 and NBA 3 doesn't seem like much, but all I can say is that for me, it might as well be a mile away. The college 3 seems like a very reasonable shot, well within range, and if the line wasn't there and you were wide open, you would take it. The NBA 3 is just far enough that it changes the equation. For me it has always seemed like a bad shot, and if I was open I would want to take at least one step in and preferably two. So if I was ever taking a shot from behind the NBA line, there would have to be a fair amount of luck in terms of everything being set up just right if it was going to go in.
I mention my own feeble basketball-playing psychology only because I think that somehow it applies to QRoss. He has a nice jumpshot and can get his share of hustle baskets, which added up to a great scoring average in college. (But I would be very happy if we never heard about his college scoring ever again, because it's clear at this point that it doesn't transfer to the NBA.) The problem is, for whatever reason, he can't shoot his jumper beyond the NBA arc. And I think that he's done so much work to get his jumper up to NBA standards, that he hasn't been able to make any other adaptation in order to shoot the NBA 3.
Michael Cooper's late blooming 3 is a great example to cite, and I would add Magic Johnson's development shooting the 3 to the argument. And you know what the key was with both those guys? They weren't shooting jump shots. What they were shooting was what should probably be called a "jump set," where you initiate the shot with a firm leg plant, but leave your feet as you more or less hoist the ball towards the basket. Cooper probably had more of a jump in his shot than Magic did. The jump set is the classic early middle school shot, and it steadily creeps its way back into the old man pickup game.
I think that part of Q's problem is that his jump shot is actually very good, better I think than Cooper's. It's somewhat uncanny, but Magic, one of the top 5 players of all time, never really had a jump shot. That is, of course he had a jump shot that was better than that of any normal human, but he didn't get his points by knocking down jumpers. Playing with Kareem, who played in the post and protected the ball and hit a zillion hooks and sort of played "sideways," Magic played a similar game of angles and banks and finishing. And then, a couple of years in, he stepped out and starting shooting 3s with the same stroke that he used to shoot free throws.
I've never seen Q shoot a shot where he started his stroke with his feet on the ground. It's a little weird that hasn't practiced it, but sometimes coaches and players will take a guy and drill jump shooting into his head so deep that he can't be comfortable putting it up with his feet set. And I think that there can be a natural limit to range on a jumpshot, even for an NBA player. Q's bad back probably isn't helping either.
At any rate, let's call that part one of my thoughts on Q. Shooting the 3 would help his game quite a bit. Even just hanging out in the corner would work, like Bowen or Bobby Simmons. Remember how Simmons never put up any 3s and then started all of a sudden in the middle of his breakout season.
Part two: But I think that a lot of this part one speculation is moot, because Ross is now competing for minutes with Maggette and 3 new guys--Patterson, Thornton, Knight, and Maggette, who started ahead of him against Phoenix, with Mobley out. When you look at Ross' 1704 minutes last year, with 43 starts, the amazing thing is how little he played after Maggette began to get his own 31 starts. And that was with Livingston gone. The reason for this, obviously, is Cuttino Mobley, who chews up massive minutes. Beyond Mobley, Ross is being hit with the perfect storm. Patterson is the new Q Ross: the tough defender, but he also gets rebounds and does some scoring. Thornton is the new x factor, the mature rookie who can score and hustle and make plays. Knight gets the tough little guards that CS mentioned, AI, Parker, and Nash. We all know that MD is going to look everywhere he can for minutes for QRoss, but it doesn't seem like they're going to be there, barring injury, just like at the end of last season.
And oh, with all of those other guys playing in front of him, what happens a couple of months down the road? A guy named EB comes back, and he'll probably play a little bit, knocking all of the PF/SF tweeners down to their natural spot.
by zhivclip on Oct 19, 2007 5:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Sorry, but
by Jax on Oct 19, 2007 10:11 PM PDT 0 recs







