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The (Somewhat Tortured) Case for Optimism

ClipsNation is a nation divided.  Two recent Diaries have staked out either side of the debate.  Citizen ZhivClip is combing through the schedule, looking for the wins the team desperately needs until maybe, just maybe, Elton Brand is back on the court.  Meanwhile, Citizen cabezadeknuckle makes the depressing, though common sense argument that a non-playoff team with one all-star caliber player cannot possibly be a playoff team without that one superstar - not when the signees brought it were essentially cast offs from other teams.  

Or read through the comments on Kevin's lineups post at ClipperBlog.  You get the idea.

The fact that all of the basketball previews are predicting a dismal season for the team is certainly sobering.  Let's face it - it's a lot easier to make a case for 20 wins than it is to make a case for the playoffs.

And yet, that's exactly what I'm going to try to do here.  I'll start off by saying, I don't think it will happen.  But I could imagine it happening.  Stranger things have happened.  But I don't think the Clippers will make the playoffs this season.  Nonetheless, I'll lay out the case as I see it.

The case for optimism begins with a relatively early return for Elton Brand (and that's also where it ends if he does not return quickly).  I'm going to say that he needs to be back by early January.  The All Star break is clearly way too late.  The old chestnut about the All Star break being the midpoint of the season has always baffled me.  It's not - the season is closer to two-thirds than halfway done by the All Star break.  There's no way this team survives half the season without Elton Brand, let alone for 50 games.  No way.  That's just life in the NBA folks.  No team lasts long without their best player.  

The actual midpoint of the season is late January.  The Clippers play game number 41 on January 28.  As it happens, the beginning of January would be the 5 month point for Elton's Achilles injury.  It would also be an even 2 months from the removal of his walking boot, assuming he stays on schedule.  That is not unrealistic at all.  Players have come back more quickly than that, and no one can doubt that Elton Brand will work as hard as anyone to get back out there.  So on this point, I'm with Zhiv - plan on the first two months of the season without EB, and see if you've got a chance from there.

The second plank in the optimism platform is that we assume 06-07 was the anomaly, and 05-06 is the real Clipper team.  Turn that around and you might as well blow this team up and start over.  The team, the management and the fans have no choice here - we have to believe that what we saw in 05-06 was real: at least until EB and Livingston are back on the court.  So maybe it's a coin toss as to which season was REALLY the mirage, but we don't have any choice about how we answer the question.

And of course you have to look at the landscape.  Eight teams make the playoffs in the Western Conference.  If that's the goal we're shooting for, then we have to look at which teams the Clippers can finish ahead of, realistically.  Bear in mind, last season we were aspiring to top 4, home court advantage, status.  Obviously that's out the window.  The Western Conference remains the far stronger conference, improvements in Boston and Orlando notwithstanding.  But what's interesting is that, while the top of the Western Conference is as good or better since the Clippers playoff heroics, the last spot is arguably more open than ever.  

The big three remain the big three - San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas are safely entrenched.  The Jazz were the Clippers of last season - trying to crash the big three's party.  You have to figure they're solidly in front of the Clips this season, despite an off-season to forget.  Houston made the playoffs last year, and had the best off-season of any Western Conference team, addressing both of their weaknesses at point guard and power forward.  They're in.  That's five.  

Denver has problems, but they also have Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson.  There's too much talent on that roster to realistically predict that the Clippers can finish ahead of them, barring a meltdown of some sort (which is certainly a possibility).  In a similar category is Golden State - the mid-season roster changes, once Baron Davis returned from injury, appear to have turned that team into a legitimate contender, albeit an unusual one.  They may be one Baron Davis injury or Stephen Jackson arrest from the lottery, but for now it's hard to argue that the Clippers could finish ahead of them.  So that's seven teams in the Western Conference who look solid.

But isn't that eighth spot completely up for grabs?  Last season it belonged to the Lakers, but only Utah and the Clippers had a worse off-season.  The Lakers limped into the playoffs last year and have a toxic mess brewing in the clubhouse.  They did nothing to improve.  And although injuries certainly played a major part in their struggles, neither Lamar Odom nor Kwame Brown are ready yet, so counting on a 'good health dividend' seems like a stretch at this point.  Derek Fisher is an upgrade over Smush Parker, but the team remains something of a train wreck at point guard and at center - two kind of important positions.

New Orleans was in the hunt for a playoff spot last season, and they probably have a better case for the 'return to health' boost than the Lakers.  Chris Paul, Peja Stojakovic and just about every other Hornet spent significant time in street clothes last season.  But it remains to be seen if Peja can ever return to his all star form - let's face it, he looked mediocre for two seasons BEFORE back surgery.  And beyond Chris Paul, David West and the rebounding and defense of Tyson Chandler, the rest of the team is chock full of question marks.  I'd say it's easier to make a case for Brevin Knight and Ruben Patterson to be major contributors off the bench than, say, Rasual Butler and Hilton Armstrong.  When the big free agent signings are Melvin Ely and Morris Peterson, it's not a good thing.

The other five teams in the Western Conference all finished at least seven games below the Clippers last year.  That's a big chunk of standings.  And other than Memphis, it's hard to argue that any one of them will be better this season.  Portland and Seattle have some nice plans in place to be good some day - but this is the NBA.  Seattle replaced their top two scorers with two rookies (possibly great rookies, but still rookies) and Portland replaced their top scorer and rebounder with... well, nothing, at this point.  Sacramento is on a steady decline: 55 wins, to 50, to 44, to 33 - are Spencer Hawes, Mikki Moore and Reggie Theus going to reverse that trend?  And then there's Minnesota.

So, by my count, only the Lakers, Hornets, Grizz and Clippers have a realistic shot at the eighth playoff spot in the West.  And of course meltdowns from Golden State, Denver or Utah (not that I'm counting on it, but it's not out of the realm of possibility) open up the window a little wider.  So, we're not talking about being a great team - we're talking about being better than the Lakers, Hornets and Grizzlies.  It's not quite so daunting when you look at it that way, n'est ce pas?

OK.  The Clippers need a quick return for Elton, plus the overall standard of the Clippers of 05-06, and the wide open eighth spot in the West is within reach.  From there, it's a relatively simple case to make.  If Elton returns by the beginning of January, he'll be back for 53 games.  If the 05-06 Clippers are our standard, that team won over 57% of their games.  No tricks, no 'Chris Kaman is an all star' - 57% over the last 53 games yields a record of 30 wins and 23 losses.  Last season, 42 wins got the Lakers and Warriors into the playoffs.  It seems reasonable to think, with the competition I've outlined for the final spot, that 42 wins would be enough this season as well.  In the 29 games in November and December, prior to Elton's projected return in this scenario, the team would need a measly 12 more wins.  12-17 in November and December, plus 30-23 in the final 52, no smoke, no mirrors, gives you a 42 win season.  A post All Star break return for Shaun Livingston, and maybe the team even carries a little momentum into the post-season.  But that's another story.  

Obviously the big fly in my ointment is the assumption about the 05-06 Clippers versus the 06-07 Clippers.  Is that the standard we should expect, or was 06-07 simply a return to normalcy?  Like I said before, we don't really have much choice other than to hope that last season was a blip.  But it's also useful to look at the differences between the two teams.  The question has been discussed ad nauseum, and of course no one knows for sure.  But I think there are three leading candidates to explain the drop off.  

  • Elton Brand's tired legs.  After playing for Team USA, traveling to training camp to Russia, getting married and promoting a movie, Elton was just worn out.  No problem there, right?  When he comes back, he'll be fresh as his momma Daisy.
  • Sam Cassell's decline.  Wages of Wins compared the two seasons last week, and attributed over 4 of the Clippers 7 additional losses to a drop off in Cassell's production.  It is difficult to be optimistic on this front.  The man will turn 38 the first week of the season and he battled myriad nagging injuries last season that seemed like, well, like the injuries of a 37 year old.  The only positive thing I can say about that is, look at his last season in Minnesota.  Cassell's 04-05 stats were almost IDENTICAL to his 06-07 stats.  He was about to turn 36, and the T-Wolves were so sure he was done that they had to throw in a first round draft choice just to complete a trade for Marko Jaric, the worst finisher in the history of the NBA.  You have to assume that the rest of the league also assumed Sam's career as an effective point guard was over, or the Wolves would have been able to find a better trade.  So all I can say is, predict the end of Sam Cassell's career at your own peril.  It would be only slightly more surprising for him to have a solid year this season than it was his first year as a Clipper.  I also happen to think that this problem will be mitigated somewhat by the arrival of Brevin Knight.  Not that Knight is great... but he's a significant upgrade over Jason Hart at the end of last season, and among the best in the league of a type of point guard.  For splitting minutes with Cassell, I think he's a good acquisition.
  • Chris Kaman's horrible year.  The same Wages of Wins post puts almost all of the blame on Kaman.  7 fewer wins for the team, 5.8 fewer 'Wins Produced' for Kaman.  Neat, tidy.  I believe I saw a bow on the top.  I've also pointed out that Tony Mejia ranked him as the 5th best center in the NBA last September and the 15th best center this September.  Kaman will be the Clippers low post presence until Brand's return.  Not only does he have to return to his 05-06 form in order for the team to return to that form, he'll have to do it with consistency, and for more minutes each game.  Which also means he'll have to stay out of foul trouble.  He has all the tools to be a terrific center.  He's going to get every opportunity for the next few months.  You may not want your favorite team's fortunes to be tied directly to the performance of a 25 year old space cadet 7 footer from a small town in Michigan - but they are nonetheless.

As for the question of 'staying afloat' until Brand returns, I look at the Clippers projected starting lineup of Kaman, Thomas, Maggette, Mobley and Cassell and although I'm not blown away, they are all legitimate NBA starters.  The problem of course is that there is no 'go to' guy on that list.  Maggette will be expected to carry the scoring load, and has proven capable in the past, but defenses will be able to focus on him that much more without Brand on the court.  I did find it interesting that Ralph Lawler, neither a cock-eyed optimist nor a Maggette-cheerleader in the past, actually suggested that Corey could be an all star this season on Clippers.com yesterday.  I'd settle for something close.  Thomas has to play with purpose, something he's only done occasionally in a 10 year NBA career; Mobley will have to take and make shots; and we've already discussed Cassell and Kaman.  The bench looks good enough - Ross, Knight and Patterson are all capable, and very good defensively.  Significant contributions from Thornton, Powell, Davis, Diaz or Dickau would be pleasant surprises, if not shocks.  

I can't help but think that the team's state of mind is going to be more important than ever.  Opening night, against last year's surprising Warriors, will be very interesting.  A win against May's darlings would be a huge shot of adrenaline.  At home, opening night, anything can happen.  And let's face it - the Dubs are fun, and capable of beating anyone they way they play.  But they can also lose to anyone.  It probably doesn't hurt the Clippers that it's their first game, but not the first game for the Dubs.  Game 2 is against the very beatable Sonics, but then it's on the road for three.  1-4 (or worse) after those five games might be enough to set the tone for the entire season (as a 1-8 start did for Memphis last year).  But surprise a couple teams, play with heart, win the home games, steal a game on the road... and suddenly the team starts believing they really can 'hold the fort'.  

So, there it is.  The case for optimism.  Do I believe it myself?  Frankly, remaining somewhat competitive without Elton Brand is the real stretch.  I fear that the team will simply not be able to win games without their superstar.  But if they can, and I haven't set the bar too high at 12 wins before the new year, the rest is not unrealistic, if still a bit optimistic.

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The other case for optimism
At the Clipper Charity Golf Tournament dinner, Coach Dunleavy hinted at a different style of play. If the players buy into a running, full-court pressing game where they take the opportunities they create, as a team, there is hope. They can use team aggression and energy to compete. I agree they won't be successful at a one-on-one, star-based system, without EB.

by waltg on Oct 4, 2007 1:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Road less traveled
I am going out on the limb and take the road less traveled by saying they will stay afloat and have a very  if not certain chance at the last play-off spot. waltg has it right. The clippers are going to run the floor. By the way, I posted Dunleavy's plan of attack about 1 1/2 months ago in a thread on Clipperstopbuzz.com . I said that would be their only chance at winning considering the players on the roster. Since I knew this was going to happen and my instincts were correct, I am saying that my gut instincts tell me we will make the play-offs regardless of Brand. I know it's bold but comparing the stats that are lost between both Livingston & Brand, the team can make up for it with the additions we have now. The only concern is the leadership but Cassell can take care of that. Remember this post everyone...I called it first!
If your sword's too short, add to its length by taking one step forward. - unknown author

by clipper joe on Oct 4, 2007 7:28 PM PDT   0 recs

I like
the new additions.  Ruben and Knight in particular are solid vets.  Thornton should be ready to play.  I also like most of the key players on the current roster.  If EB were healthy, we would make (and compete in) the playoffs no question.  

My one problem with the team is not the players but the coach.  Unfortunately, I just do not have confidence in or optimism concerning MDSr.  I wish I did, I want to, but I just can't bring myself to trust him.  This is a guy who actively lobbied last year to trade Corey so that he could coach his own son and otherwise fostered needless dissension based on a faulty talent analysis.  No reason to dwell on his other mistakes now.  I fear that Sterling, having endured a failed experiment with the open wallet, will now close it forever.  We shall see what the future brings for the team this summer.  If Sterling doesn't commit to winning, I won't either.  

In any event, I'm really looking forward to this season. There is nothing I can think of that would be better than the poetic justice of MDSr being forced to rely on his nemisis, Maggette, to win.  That will be torture for MDSr on a nightly basis, and frankly I think he desereves it.  That drama alone is reason to follow the team this year.  

I also like the fact that the team must play uptempo to have any chance to win.  That severely limits MDSr's tendency to overcoach, which I think will help this team immensely.  And IMO that is the most exciting and enjoyable brand of basketball for player and fan alike.  

Looking forwad to a fun and interesting season.

Jax

PS Clipper Joe you weren't the only one who called the coming uptempo style.  No brainer for a team that cannot score or defend the post and whose best players are wings.  I disagree, however, that hte team will make the playoffs.  Believe me, I wish they would and will be rooting hard.  

by Jax on Oct 4, 2007 8:00 PM PDT   0 recs

that's why I posted "the road less traveled
Hey jax, that's why I posted "the road less traveled". It wasn't meant to be an object for debate or opinion. Those were my feelings and the reason I put them was because I knew most wouldn't. It's easy to take the safe road and wish them luck but I have this feeling we will take the last spot regardless. I've been keeping up with the other (bubble)teams and I really don't see any major changes that would merit them a spot in the post season. Your guess is as good as mine so the point  
your making is pointless.
  The up tempo style wasn't a no brainer. Most everyone I spoke to or who posted on other sides considered me a fool for suggesting such a thing.
And considering MD's style that would of never happened but guess what, I was also taking the road less traveled by insinuating that this and it happened. The reason you give really has nothing to do with why they changed the style. That's not why I
though it should be done. Since the addition of Patterson and Thorton, I knew they would not be able to post so I figured their best chance was to go small and run the floor. Without Brand, There is no one that can have the offense run through them. Kaman wouldn't be able to do it so why not let go and the the basketball gods dictate who gets the ball. We are no considered a small team and what do small teams do? Run the freaking ball.
 It really had nothing to do with the wings or anything you implied. By the way did you that "no brainer" thought somewhere? Just curious...
If your sword's too short, add to its length by taking one step forward. - unknown author

by clipper joe on Oct 8, 2007 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry Joe - I meant no brainer to me
I posted my thoughts that the team would have to go up tempo, would have to start Thomas, Maggette and Mobley, and had no offensive/defensive post game, in several posts on this website and Clipperblog.  I suppose that you could search my past posts if you want to.  I've seen a number of similar posts by others as well.  I agree that the majority of people thought that the Clips would slow it down and walk the ball up the court, but I just found it difficult to believe that they would try to do something that would just work to their disadvantage.

Your point about MDSr not doing the obvious and going up tempo is a good one.  I hadn't thought about the fact that he's very slow to change or to do things against his normal course even if it's the reasonable thing to do.  I just assumed that he had no choice.  Thankfully he's realized that before the season has started - this time.  

Not that it matters, but I would disagree that my reasons for why I thought they would go up tempo are not those that caused them to do it.  Not that it matters.  At least they will be more interesting to watch this year if they go up tempo.  

Jax

by Jax on Oct 8, 2007 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

spreading the good news
here's the news from clipper camp in case anyone missed it. http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-cliprep5oct05,1,2451678.story?coll=la-he adlines-sports-nba-clippe
Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy said he was disappointed in the initial physical shape of veteran point guard Brevin Knight "He came in and we started running and he wasn't ready for it," Dunleavy said. "I'm disappointed in his conditioning. A veteran player, you'd think he'd come into camp ready to go."

Dickau, a five-year veteran signed after being waived by the New York Knicks, ruptured his Achilles' tendon two years ago -- a similar injury suffered by Elton Brand.
**It took Dickau about 10 months to completely recover.*

 . . . Cassell (sore left knee) did not practice. . . . Chris Kaman (lower back) is still listed as day to day.

let the games begin...

by cabezadeknuckle on Oct 4, 2007 9:38 PM PDT   0 recs

I hope I'm wrong.....
....but I smell a slow start and Ralph doing his "if not for those injuries" song and dance routine. God, I hope I'm wrong!

by saxmanager on Oct 5, 2007 9:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Club Optimism Manifesto
Very solid.  Lots of good hard work, and the breakdown of the Western Conference is especially valueable.  It's funny how you see pundits talking about the upside of mid-level teams, even when they haven't made progress, and they're also excited about low level teams with elite draft picks, and don't dwell on their growing pains.  And yet they only give the Clippers a cursory glance and they're quickly dismissed with a wave of "without Elton Brand, they're the old Clips and Elgin should be shopping for lottery sweaters."

But the truth, which we know very well around here, is that the Clippers are actually quite complicated.  It's not a simple equation:  no Brand, no wins, hapless Clips of old.  In the old days, the Clips would be a legitimate joke because they had a couple of good but flawed players, a few promising players, no leadership, and then some other guys who were legitimate scrubs.  Their mediocre-to-poor coaches had no continuity and no sophistication to their system.  Losing, sloppiness, and substandard resources and facilities bred more losing.  And that's how you lose 60 games in a season.

All of that changed when Dunleavy arrived, as he brought a new standard of professionalism.  The Clipper joke ended.  A talented and high draft pick like Chris Wilcox didn't quite fit the Dunleavy standard of professionalism and experience, and he was traded.  At a time like this, it's important to remember the things that Dunleavy has accomplished.  As CS points out the team reached a high level, but that success didn't happen overnight, and it was built of a foundation of change and developing consistency and experience.

After being sickened and demoralized by Dunleavy last year, with a fresh start now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and looking at things differently.  I believe he got ahead of himself.  He really felt that he had the right pieces to win with a deliberate, defense first philosophy, and then he stuck with it because he just wanted things to gel.  But he didn't realize that his personnel wasn't as advanced or as talented as he hoped, and he was disrupting a fragile chemistry.  And Dunleavy eventually received a humbling smackdown when it became obvious that he had to start Maggette, and his bad karma was repaid with injuries to Livingston and Brand.  So that now, the player that he shunned, is his star and first option, stepping into the spotlight with the team's fortunes on his shoulders and controlling his own fate.  Somehow, it's as it should be.

CS points out some of the reasons why O6-07 seems like an anomaly.  As I look at it, I see that Kaman missed the entire preseason.  Cassell was also banged up.  And then as the season began it quickly became apparent, although none of us wanted to believe it, that Brand had lost the demonic edge he had in 05-06, that he was facing his own challenges.  And with those issues, I'll say over and over that the Clippers were playing without a starter (Maggette) for the first 45 games.  

I heard Bill Simmons on the radio last night--he renewed his season tickets six days before Brand's injury--saying that he thought the Clips might be better than people think, and part of his argument was that Brand, although a great player, wasn't as great or as important to the team's success as people were thinking.  I think that there's some truth in this.  CS has laid out the issues.  Yes, in order for the Clips to have a decent record and potentially make the playoffs, Brand has to come back sooner rather than later.  But this could have a silver lining.  The Clips will be forced to rely on Maggette to play his best.  Kaman will have to play his best.  The Clips know what they can expect from experienced pros like Cassell, Mobley, Patterson, and Thomas.  They're all solid--and an argument can be made that Patterson will be a better energy guy off the bench than Maggette was last year.  They know that they can count on tough defense as necessary from Q Ross, but they won't have false expectations or needs from his offensive output.

Cut off in the middle of these thoughts... will have to pick up later.  

by zhivclip on Oct 5, 2007 4:55 PM PDT   0 recs

Interesting, zhiv, but
let's look at reality:

(1)  EB is the team's only consistent go to offensive and post - defense player.  Without him they do not have a go to offensive player.  Good teams need at least one (see Duncan), and two additonal consistent scorers.  The Clippers have one consistent scorer at this point.  That's simply not enough to make the playoffs in the Western Conference.    

(2)  Corey is not an NBA team's first option.  He's a second option.  The fact that they have to use him as the first option is why the pundits are saying what they are saying.  

(3)  Three of the four players you deem "solid" really aren't "solid" if what you mean is "NBA starter."  let's look at them.  First, Cassell is 38, slow and injury-prone.  He's good, sure, but his best days are behind him.  There's a chance he could play an injury-free season, which the Clippers desperately need, but likely?  Don't think so.  

Second, Mobley is getting older and slower.  He is a workhorse, for sure, but he's no longer quick enough to do the athletic things we need a shooting guard to do.

Third, Thomas - are you kidding me?  What's "solid" about him?  His potential?  That's about it.  

I agree with your point about the poetic justice regarding Dunleavy having to play Corey this year - see my post above.

Unfortunately, I have much less faith in Dunleavy than you do.  Yes the team had one good year - primarily because Cassell took over.  They choked, however, when Dunleavy's overcoaching killed them in the playoffs.  I think that we should demand alot from those that are paid millions of dollars to manage our teams.  I don't think that those who have consistently made mistakes should be given additional chances.  

I agree that the team is going to be better than conventional wisdom.  There are a number of grizzled vets who can play (Corey, Mobley, Patterson, Knight), some potentials with question marks (Kaman, Thornton) and an aging warrior who may stay healthy (Cassell).  They will be fun to watch, but there's nothing wrong with being realistic.  EB's injury wasn't anyone's fault.  

by Jax on Oct 5, 2007 9:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rubbing off
okay clippersteve your optimism is rubbing off. i think the clippers will be better than the lakers. the key is sam. sam is the closer. eb keeps the clips in the game but sam gets the key 4th quarter baskets that turn a 2 point lead into a 6 point win. if anything happens to sam it's over.

by cabezadeknuckle on Oct 7, 2007 8:28 PM PDT   0 recs

Re Saturday's scrimmage
Got this from clippertalk.net

This post is from the espn board by a very reliable poster.

"I attended the Clipper intrasquad scrimmage today at SBCC. It was a pretty entertaining game with the second team beating the first team (sans Kaman, Mobley, Brand and Livingston) by about 15 points. They played 20 minute halves and had NBA refs.

To start with, a general look at the Clippers this year is that I think they are going to surprise a lot of people. I think our Hollinger stat-bust rookie, Al Thornton, is going to be a serious player in the NBA and that our offseason pickups of Knight, Patterson, and even Dickau are going to really contribute right off the bat. If we can have a couple breakout young players we might be ok when Brand and Livingston come back.

Ok, couple other housekeeping items...

Brand had left Santa Barbara already to have some more PT in LA on Saturday. I was impressed with his conditioning and attitude with his injury. He is working out hard and was riding the bike a bunch of times when I stopped by practice this week. I didn't see Kaman or Mobley practice much this week at all. They, along with Livingston, were mostly off court either working on stretching or talking with the coaches, trainers, etc. Ralph today said he expected Kaman and Mobley to be ready for the season.

Now on the player game analysis-

Probably the most exciting player in the scrimmage was Al Thornton. So I will start with him. Thornton shot incredibly well, and had two of the best highlights of the game. The first was a rebound dunk (ala Singleon of old...) that brought the crowd to its feet. The second was when he tossed an inbound pass from the baseline on offense off of (I think it was Aaron Williams) butt and he caught it (ala Scotty Pippen) and went up for a monster dunk that he was fouled on (didn't make it). But it was a great, heady, showmanship play that he converted for 2 FTs. But I think more impressive was the fact that he shot so well from the field. Al was very accurate from 10-20 ft out. I believe he even hit a 3pter or two. He is very athletic and was guarded by Maggette and Ross most of the game.

Sammy. Sam I Am. The man can still play like a champ. He came out in the first 10 minutes and hit 4 FGs and 1 3pter. He was abusing Diaz and Dickau. He also had some nice passes and even tho he kept his sweat pants on the whole game, he looked very good and ready to start the season.

Maggette is definitely being looked to as the go to guy this year. He came out strong with his usual strong play, driving to the basket, shooting pretty well. But I honestly can't remember him much after the first 10 minutes or so. He sat most of the 2nd half.

Brevin Knight looked very good. Made some great passes, hands were very active on defense and had a few steals. He looks like he is going to do exactly what the Clippers want him to do - take care of the ball, distribute to the scorers and play strong defense. They did play Knight and Cassell together for a while which worked pretty well.

Another noteworthy young player who was active and looked pretty strong (and started with the starters...) was Paul Davis. Early on he had two huge, arm-cocked back, dunks in transition that excited the crowd. He was very active on offense, didn't remember too much of him on defense. But if he can come in and play some backup C and PF and give us 6-10 a night off the bench he could be solid off the bench this year.

While talking about big men. The dunker of the night was Aaron Williams who had some great dunks down low. He looked more like what I expected of him last year.

Josh Powell was athletic and physical, but seemed to be a little lost in the offense. He has a lot of raw talent and should improve as the season goes.

Now, the Russian you have all been waiting for, Korolev played some pretty heavy minutes and was surprising guarding and being guarded by Cassell. I think they were using him as a modified point forward. He came out a little flat then turned it up and looked pretty good. His body has definitely filled out and he has a very nice shooting touch. Again, I would love to see this guy get some minutes sometime to see if he could make it in the NBA. The problem I think he struggles with is that he is very unemotional and quiet. I could see how coaches and people think he is not working hard, but he is only 20!

I was hoping for big things for Diaz or at least a highlight slam dunk. Unfortunately, he was pretty quiet. He can definitely drive and get up to the rim, he scored down the lane a couple times. But he didn't shoot much and didn't seem to run the offense very well. He played part of the time as the 2-guard with Dickau running point.

Dickau is going to be a very good third string PG for us. Probably one of the best in recent years (not saying much). He can shoot the ball. He drained at least 2 or 3 threes when the defense collasped on the inside. He seems to be a decent ballhander and can run the offense when needed. He and Korolev played a lot off each other.

Patterson was also just as advertised. He and Cassell got into it a bit on a blind back screen that Reuben set on him, then Cassell went and jawed up the ref for about 2-3 mins about it. it was like he was practicing his smack talk for the season...

Patterson is a big guy. I could see him getting time at both the 3 and the 4 this season. Good defender and strong underneath. He gives us a nasty side too. Kind of like our own special "cooler". We could sick him on the Kobes of the NBA and really take some big players out of their game. I guess Korolev may not make it due to lack of space, unless we can carry more than 15 with the two injuries. Not sure how that works. But Patterson will definitely be in the mix.

Thomas is the last person of note that I have not commented on, and for good reason. Like last year, he hit some threes. But he also missed a bunch and was very soft going inside. He also traveled twice (got called for it in a scrimmage!). I am hoping he was having an off day, but we are going to need more than him to fill in for Brand.

All in all, it was a very entertaining day. Darryl was there. During one of Thomas' free throws he yelled out "Tim, this one is for you..." U - G - L - Y....and so on...Tim missed the free throw but it was hilarious."

by Jax on Oct 7, 2007 8:58 PM PDT   0 recs

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