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Why is Mobley playing if he can't practice?

Ten days ago, the Clippers were considering giving Cuttino Mobley time off to allow his strained groin muscle to fully heal.  At the time, it seemed like a difficult but prudent decision to get Cat back to the level at which he started the season.  Of course, it also seemed a little late, since Cat had already played three games on his injury, limping up and down the court.  But instead of resting at that point, he played 147 minutes in 4 games in 6 days - by FAR the most grueling stretch of his season so far.  And what do the Clippers have to show for it?  One win against Denver - true, a win they likely would not have gotten without Cat, whose 14 points, 5 assists and tough defense were instrumental - but at what cost?  

Before his injury, Mobley started the season white hot and nasty.  In the first 3+ games, he was 31 for 50 (62%) and 5 for 11 (45%) from three.  That's a ridiculous eFG of 68%.  He sat out two games, and since his return, he has shot 24 for 67 - an equally ridiculous 36%.  He's 5 for 18 from three since his return.  Turns out you need your legs to shoot.

When he played 46 minutes against the Hornets last Saturday, I thought that he must have been declared 100% by trainer Jasen Powell (I did not see that game, so I don't know how he looked).  Why would anyone play 46 minutes if they were injured?  The fact that he was 5 for 15 and 1 for 5 on his threes in that game had to be just one of those things - a bad game, no big deal.  But here we are, 4 days later, and Mobley is sitting out practice.  

This would all be a little less disturbing if not for a couple things.  

  1. In his first two seasons with the Clippers, Mobley was a much less aggressive offensive player than he had been previously in his career.  His scoring average, shots per game, three point attempts - basically every offensive category was at a per minute career low.  But for three games this season, he was an aggressive, go to scorer, which, it just so happens, the Clippers desperately need right now.  So we've seen the killer Cat - and now we are once again stuck with the pussy Cat.  The really galling part?  The main thing that Cat cited for his early season success was his health.  He felt better than he had in a long time.  No lingering injuries.  That's why he was back.  
  2. This team and its coach spent a LOT of time making a LOT of excuses for the disappointing, underachieving 06-07 season.  Moscow traffic was being brought up four months into the season.  Give me a break.  Let's not use Cat's adductor as an excuse for the rest of this season.  If he has to sit out a few games to eliminate that excuse, then PLEASE do so.  I just can't take the whining.
Of course this is all complicated by other factors.  Corey Maggette missed 4 games with a hamstring injury while Mobley should have been resting his groin, plus the fact that MDsr LOVES Cat Mobley and pretty much can't live without him.  When I dubbed him MDsr's Blanket last season, I really had no idea how right I was.  The whole situation is exacerbated this season by the fact that the Clippers don't have another shooting guard on their roster (not one that can actually shoot, at any rate).  Quinton Ross is the closest thing to a 2, and he is extremely limited on offense.  Without Mobley, the Clippers are reduced to Ross, or someone playing out of position like Cassell or Dickau or Maggette or Patterson or Thornton.  

Still, 46 minutes against New Orleans?  When Thornton only played 14?  And Ross was in the game for 36 minutes guarding Chris Paul, so we're talking about defending Mo Peterson or Peja Stojakovic - surely Al can do that.  "See that guy?  Don't let him shoot.  He can't drive or really move for that matter.  Just don't let him shoot."  

(It's all more than a little hypocritical of MDsr.  He's said in the past that if you don't practice you don't play.  Apparently this rule doesn't apply to Cassell and Mobley.  I think it's a silly rule - it certainly shouldn't apply to a guy like Cassell.  But don't say it if it's not true.)

Just to be clear, I'm not in the 'tank the season' camp.  It's hard to get on board with that strategy if you fancy yourself a purist, and besides, it rarely works.  Minnesota, Seattle, Sacramento, Portland, Philadelphia, New York, Charlotte - there are some pretty bad teams out there, and you'd have to go pretty far into the tank to finish below many of them.  Then you could still end up like Memphis, Boston and Milwaukee - dropping three places based on the ping pong balls.  Better to play hard and see what happens - if you end up with the 14th pick again, so be it.  At least you have your dignity.  

But playing Cuttino Mobley when he's so far away from 100% seems to be the worst of both worlds.  You're desperately trying to eke out a couple wins (unsuccessfully), to the detriment of the season's long term prospects since Mobley will take significantly longer to heal, while letting Al Thornton collect dust on the bench (Thornton couldn't guard Shane Battier?  Really?)  That gives you no wins now, fewer wins later, and no development of young talent.  With a series of five very winnable games starting on Sunday (Indiana, Milwaukee, at Seattle, at Sacramento, Miami) we'll see just how much this ill-advised strategy has cost the team.  It's highly unlikely Cat will be 100% for those games, yet he would have been if he'd been resting during this 2-7 (probable 2-8) stretch.  How many will they win with Cat hurting?  How many would they have won?

If he's hurt, let him rest.  Put the Blanket down.  Even Linus had to cope on laundry day.

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On the exact same wavelength with you, CS.  Baffling approach, especially when you plug in the fact that Thornton got a DNP against Houston.  

Dunleavy seems to forget that his backup SG should be Maggette.  You know, the guy who can score.  But he even underplayed Ross against Houston.

The larger point is that the Clips were semi-competitive, in games where it seems they would have been outmatched before the season started, and they also got that nice win against Denver.  It would be great if they could hit a nice groove as they approach a softer part of the schedule.  Got those 6 wins--just need 4 more before Christmas.

And on Mobley, I mentioned somewhere else that I'm curious about the return of the sleeve on his left arm.  I don't think he played with it when he was on fire at the start.  He talked about being so much healthier than in years past, and the elbow was a big part of it.  But AFTER the abductor the sleeve came back.  What's up with that?

by zhivclip on Nov 29, 2007 11:56 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wish I knew...
I noticed the same thing on the sleeve.  It's certainly not our imagination - I posted about the absence of the sleeve after the pre-season game against the Lakers.  
Cat Mobley was quoted in the paper recently as saying that his elbow felt better than it has in years after he had it scoped this summer to remove some debris.  I thought it was just talk until I saw him play last night.  Not that he looked unstoppable or anything (he played fine, and racked up six assists including a beauty that led to a Maggette dunk); but I almost didn't recognize him when he went on the floor.  Why?  He didn't have his elegant long sleeve covering his arm.  I think he's worn that every game he's played as a Clipper.  I thought it was part of the uniform.  He must indeed feel better.

Supposedly he had the elbow scoped, everything felt great, yadda yadda yadda.  And now the sleeve back... so the elbow no longer feels great, right?  But there's never been any mention of elbow pain that I'm aware of.  

by Steve Perrin on Nov 29, 2007 12:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cat's sleeve
Rip Hamilton still wears that face mask, even though he doesn't have a broken nose.  Maybe Cat wears the sleeve because he's used to wearing it.  I do agree, he does need to shut it down for awhile.

by Googs on Nov 29, 2007 5:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LA Times Report
Finally got the word on this:  Mobley has a little flare-up of bursitis.  

Oh, okay, so that's why he was playing all those minutes.

At least we got a report on the mystery issue.

by zhivclip on Nov 30, 2007 12:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smoke and Mirrors
The problem here is that the team has no shooters.  They cannot hope to win any game with just one consistent shooter on the roster.  MDSr is basically trying to use Cat as a decoy (at least that's what happened in the Houston game), forcing the defense to guard him so that Maggette and Kaman would get some space.  

Who's fault is it that the team has insufficient shooters?  Where the heck is Diaz?  Do we really need Powell that badly?  

Of course, that problem is compounded by the fact that Thornton should be playing (he's a shooter too, isn't he?) and that the Clipper offense is horrible.  

Your post was spot-on.  Cat is a security blanket.  MDSr can't or isn't willing to teach so he's relying on smoke and mirrors to get the job done.  Needless to say, it's an abysmal failure.  At this pace, we won't have to tank.  

by Jax on Nov 29, 2007 12:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diaz can't shoot
16-52 and 3-12 from deep in Summer League.  The game I saw he was 2-8 and one of those two was and awesome slam set up by Jared Jordan so I would really put him at 1-7 from the field.  And they were all wide open.

He could definitely slash and would have rivaled Corey for speed, but he's smaller at 6'2.

But hey, he's a free agent.  If he was any good, another NBA team would have picked him up by now.

by John R on Nov 29, 2007 1:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say no shooters
Shooting is definitely a problem, and the injuries have exacerbated it.  

Here's my breakdown:

Cassell is a great shooter, especially for a point guard.  Shoots well to a fault, actually, because the ball doesn't move around to others as well.  Injured in first few minutes against Houston.  Also extremely old.

Mobley is a very good shooter, even great when completely healthy.  Only good to even poor when injured, as the CS post is about.  But Mobley can shoot.

Dickau is a very good shooter.  Injured his elbow in the NO game, and didn't shoot for the first 5 minutes or more of playing against Houston.  Never got the ball to drop once he did start shooting.  Best PG option against Houston because ability to walk is more important than ability to move your shooting arm (check Mobley file).  Can't play defense, and showed sketchy decision making process.  Unfortunate timing with minor elbow injury, which should be improving.

Thornton is a very good shooter.  But he's a rookie.  And Dunleavy puts on his moron goggles when he sees Patterson next to him on the bench.  And Dunleavy is already wearing his moron goggles when he sees Thomas on the floor playing 44 minutes.  Thornton needs more time, more games and more minutes to shoot better and score more.  DNP was disgraceful.  Coming off minor ankle injury.

Maggette is a good shooter.  He's a bit streaky, but he can hit open shots, which only set up his drives.  Maggs is a very good shooter when you count how he shoots at the free throw line, where he spends so much time.  Recently injured, by the way.

I guess Thomas is a good shooter.  But he makes me nuts.  Let him shoot when he's on the floor, but is there no way to play him less?  Didn't starting Aaron Williams work out pretty well?  Why can't Thomas be injured?  Is it because he doesn't mix it up very much?

Davis is a good shooter.  He needs minutes and confidence.  He plays hard.  Some times I feel like I'm the only guy who likes him.  

Kaman is a good shooter.  There's a shocker.    But the Clips are in trouble when a big part of their attack is Kaman taking 10 15 footers, especially on a night when he makes two of them.

The problem with the Clips, is that they have some key guys who really can't shoot at all.  Their names are Patterson, Knight, and Ross.

Patterson had one good half this year, where he made a bunch of one footers and even a couple of short jumpers.  It was impressive.  Otherwise, I feel like he's missed every shot.

I don't hold Knight's poor shooting against him, because of the other things he can do, like play defense, and get the ball to other people for shots.  Against Houston he was coming off an injury, which isn't good for your shot, especially when you don't really have one.  Hopefully when he gets healthy he can shoot well enough to be on the floor and not a liability.  He's going to get wide open shots and has to hit a few of them.

Same goes for Ross.  He had one big game as a shooter, which helped the Clips get the now famous "improbable" win.  But when the Clips have needed him very badly, his shot disappeared in a nightmarish fashion.  He gets good shots and should be able to hit the wide open ones, even if he is never going to be sufficiently productive.  He has started hitting some 3s from the baseline, which is a good sign.  But Ross needs to shoot better, period.

Elton Brand is a very good shooter.  Hopefully Liv's shot has improved--he's probably practicing it a lot at this point.

Josh Powell is on the team?  Really?  Why?  With the list of injuries above, even minor ones, having Diaz looks like it would be a big help at this point.  Especially if you want to get back to the original post, and just have the guts to sit Mobley until he's healthy, instead of keeping him going at the level of mediocrity at best.  Dunleavy gave Davis the DNP, and Powell is behind him out in deep oblivion.  And from what little I've seen, he can't shoot.

That being said, if Dunleavy wanted to start Powell against Denver and have Thomas come off the bench, that'd be great.

by zhivclip on Nov 29, 2007 1:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It Takes Three
True Hoop has a good post today about something that I believe in - it takes three great players (not 12 widgets) to win an NBA championship.  Seems that many NBA teams (and David Thorpe) subscribe to that theory.

Not surprising.  Enjoy.

by Jax on Nov 29, 2007 3:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lolocaust
Its your position. Explain it. I love to learn. This is a post about playing an injured Cat so further discussion is wildly off topic.

Be a producer. Create.

by John R on Nov 29, 2007 5:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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