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Clippers at Lakers - Game Preview and Open Thread

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9-13 13-9
Staples Center
Dec. 16, 2007 - 6:30 PM
Probable starters:
Brevin Knight PG Derek Fisher
Cuttino Mobley SG Kobe Bryant?
Corey Maggette SF Luke Walton
Tim Thomas? PF Lamar Odom
Chris Kaman C Andrew Bynum
The Big Picture:  

The Clippers return to Staples, if not exactly home, after a three game eastern swing.  Winning 2 of 3 on the road would normally be cause for celebration, but given that the one loss involved a blown 12 point half time lead, the champagne needs to stay on ice.  As for playing the Lakers on the purple and gold floor, I sometimes think the Clippers prefer these 'away' games to the home games against their roommates.  It has to be much more disheartening when the Clippers 'home' crowd (filled with closet Kobe fans and absent those Clipper season tickets holders who turn a nice profit selling these two games each year) starts the Ko-be chant.  Playing as the visiting team, they still get to sleep in their own bed, and then they get to try to spoil Dyan Cannon's evening.  Now that's motivation.

The Antagonist:  

They say that time heals all wounds.  But in sports, winning heals all wounds.  There's very little talk of wanting to be traded coming from Kobe at this point, and last I checked he wasn't playing on Pluto (insert joke here about playing on Uranus).  For all the talk of Mitch Kupchak not being Jerry West, you have to admit he's done a good job in the draft.  Five rotation players (Walton, Vujacic, Turiaf, Bynum and Farmar) have come from the draft since 2003, and four of those were taken in positions 26 through 37, when frankly most guys don't stick.  Only Bynum was a lottery pick, and he's beginning to look like the real deal.  So credit where it's due.  And Phil Jackson has this team playing much improved defense.  The Lakers were 25th in the league in defensive efficiency last season - they're 13th this season.  It's still Kobe's team - he's averaging 27 points per game, which is good for second in the league and is double the 13.5 of second leading scorer Lamar Odom.  But consider this: in each of the 3 post-Shaq seasons, Kobe has average over 40 minutes per game.  This season, he's averaging 36.5, and the Lakers are 13-9.  The team continues to play basketball, even when Kobe is on the bench.  That was not really the case the last few seasons.  Kobe is a game time decision for this game after straining a groin muscle against the Warriors Friday night.  He'll probably play, but I'm far from convinced that it's an automatic win for the Generic Clippers if he doesn't.

The Subplots

  • Will Kobe play?  Kobe's groin hasn't been under this much scrutiny since Eagle Colorado.  Thank you.  I'll be here all week.  Don't forget to tip your waitresses.  If he does play, he won't necessarily be 100%.  ClipsNation knows from experience that just because you can play on a groin injury doesn't mean you should.  With the Lakers starting a 4 game road trip on Tuesday, I think Phil leaves him out.
  • A big game for Corey?  Corey has had some of the biggest games of his career against the Lakers, including a 39 point outburst in their last meeting 8 months ago.  He's scored well this season (averaging 20.4) but has yet to have a huge game (season high of 27).  He's a tough cover for Luke Walton or Lamar Odom.  He could definitely go for 30+ in this one.
  • The best center in LA.  Maybe it's something in the Staples Center drinking fountains, but Chris Kaman and Andrew Bynum are both having break out seasons.  Although this will be their 6 head-to-head meeting, Bynum played more than 17 minutes in only one previous matchup (Kaman won that battle last April with 17 points, 14 rebounds and 4 blocks).  Kaman's play is making a case that he should be a Western Conference all star - but Bynum's per minute numbers are as good or better.  Kaman has traditionally had problems with really big centers, and Bynum qualifies as one of those.  Can Kaman, the savvy veteran, take advantage of the 20 year old kid?  Can Bynum rise to the occasion of facing a top center?  Phil Jackson has said that the Lakers are going to double Kaman often.  How Chris handles the double team will as always be crucial.
  • Thornton and Davis.  Tim Thomas, like Kobe, will be a game-time decision after spraining his ankle in Memphis.  If Thomas can't play, MDsr will start either rookie Al Thornton or second year player Paul Davis.  Unfortunately, Lamar Odom will be a tough cover for either one of them (although they can surely do as well as Thomas) - he's probably too big for Thornton but too quick for Davis.  Regardless of who gets the start, Thornton and Davis each figure to get significant minutes in this game.  It would be really great if one or both of them could put together a good shooting night to add to the rebounding and hustle they've been providing lately.
  • Who will help Kaman and Maggette?  The Clippers have had a reasonably reliable one-two scoring punch for the last couple of weeks in Kaman and Maggette.  Friday night in Memphis, they each went for 23.  But it takes more than two scorers to win NBA games.  Cat Mobley scored 17 in the win over Memphis.  Mobley and/or Thornton and/or Dickau and/or someone else needs to make a significant contribution on offense.
  • Go Zags!  6 players from Gonzaga have played in NBA games (and one of those played 4 minutes).  John Stockton is retired, and Adam Morrison is out for the season.  All three active, healthy Gonzaga Bulldogs will be in uniform in Staples tonight - Dan Dickau and Richie Frahm for the Clippers, Ronny Turiad for the Lakers.  And someone needs to tell Mike Smith it's pronounced with a short a, Gon-zag-a (rhymes with bag) not Gon-zahg-a (rhymes with hog).

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Wow, Mike Champion had a busy four minutes
3 FGA (1 3PA), 2 PF, 1 TO.  And it was divided over two games.

The Kaman/Bynum match should be fun.  I give the edge to Chris Kaman.  He abused Bynum last year, and he is a different animal this year.  Phil is wise to go with the double team.

Last year, Jason Hart hit some big shots vs. the LAL on kickouts from double teams.  Knight and Dickau need to be able to do the same.  The Lakers have upgraded at the point.  Have the Clips?  Sam Cassell would sure help tonight.

And then there is Corey.  As mentioned, he kills the Lakers.  They just don't have the smart defenders needed to contain him.  Luke Walton?  Please.

In the end, the Lakers are playing well right now, and the Clippers, not so much.  Outside of the matchup in the middle, it is hard to be overly excited about tonight's game.  

by mp on Dec 16, 2007 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

MDSr's Comments on Fram

"He is a terrific outside shooter," Dunleavy said. "That's the biggest component that he brings. We felt that was an area of need for us right now. We have guys that get double-teamed in the low post and are looking for ways to open that up a little bit."

Seems that this was obvious on day one.  They need another.

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Beyond obvious...
It's been obvious for several seasons.  It's significantly less obvious now (with the additions of shooters Dickau and Thornton and Maggette shooting better) than it was last season.  Better late then never, I guess, but we'll see if Frahm is a major shooting talent.

When I see guys like Kapono and Carroll (and Casey Jacobsen and Frahm and Eddie House and Damon Jones) I always wonder - why isn't Trajan Langdan in the NBA?  Wasn't he about the purest college shooter you ever saw?  And he's had a great career for a top European team shooting the ball.  I was kind of hoping Maggette and Brand would bring another Dukie back from Russia in 06 pre-season.  Maybe he's happy in Moscow, but he needs another chance in the NBA.

by Steve Perrin on Dec 16, 2007 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree - he's a great shooter
He's likely a star in Moscow - no need to come back to ride the pine in the NBA for less cash.  

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree about Dickau and Thornton filling void
The team specifically needs SG three point shooters.  They need Dickau/Cassell, Thornton/Thomas and the SG position to be able to shoot threes.  Particularly if they have Corey at the SF.  He's not really a three point shooter, although he does stretch the defense in other ways.  

This is part of the problem with using a defensive stopper such as Q who cannot shoot threes at the SG position.  It kills the offense b/c it prevents spacing.  His man can double with little fear.  And the ability to hit a 17 footer ain't enough.  Thus you have to weigh the benefits of better defense against the negatives of far worse offense.  The difference in value between Q and someone like Raja Bell, who's a good defender who can consistently hit the three, is substantial in my opinion.  

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Q is .462 on the season to lead the team
*shrug*

I would assume a person would look something like that up before they start making claims.

by John R on Dec 16, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Dickau and Thornton...
I didn't say they filled the void.  I said they are shooters, and that the team has significantly more shooting this season than last (and the year before was worse still until they got VladRad).  

Look at the Spurs - getting three superstars in their prime is not easy, but after that, all they've done is put shooters around them. Finley, Barry, Bowen, Bonner... none of those guys does anything on offense but shoot threes.  You can't really ever have enough shooters.

by Steve Perrin on Dec 16, 2007 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you, O King of the Irrelevant Stats
roll of eyes

Q's made a total of six (6) three pointers this year, and is shooting .394 overall. The fact that you seem to think that he's a legit three point threat is disappointing, but not surprising, Mr. "sky is falling."

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

How is it irrelevent?
He can make the 3.  You claimed he can't.

Seems perfectly relevent.

by John R on Dec 16, 2007 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me help you understand
He is not an offensive threat.  More specifically, he is not a threat from the three point line.  He doesn't stretch the defense.  You should know that.  The stats confirm it.  You are selectively referencing stats that are misleading.  

Either you don't realize that they are misleading, and just made an honest mistake, or you do realize they are misleading, and want to argue just to argue.  

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

2:00 left in the first...
Kaman doesn't look like he woke up this morning...he's moving very slowly and lazily, barely catching passes...

by gfngfgf on Dec 16, 2007 7:03 PM PST reply actions  

made it close by the end of the 3rd...
after four scoreless minutes, i just couldn't watch and gave up the controls for another Veggietales show!....sigh...

by Lawler's Law on Dec 16, 2007 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

VeggieTales
Do you have the Ultimate Silly Songs DVD?  Excellent stuff.  Apparently there's going to be a 'Pirates who don't do anything' movie soon.  I'm definitely looking forward to that.

by Steve Perrin on Dec 16, 2007 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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