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Lakers 113 - Clippers 92

After this game, it is clear that this version of the Clippers cannot compete with the good teams in the league.  I'm not even particularly ready to declare that the Lakers are good.  But I do know that the Clippers are bad.  At least until Sam Cassell gets back, if you can force Chris Kaman into a tough night (as Andrew Bynum did tonight, blocking three of his shots and holding him to 6 for 19 shooting), the Clippers have little else they can do.

There was a time when I doubted Phil Jackson as a coach.  I definitely thought he was overrated.  Certainly he had some distinct advantages in achieving success, with Michael Jordan in Chicago and Shaq and Kobe in LA.  But the last few seasons he's made a believer of me.  The guy can coach - particularly on the offensive end.  

The Lakers second unit (Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Trevor Ariza, Vlad Radmanovic and Chris Mihm) is just as unlikely as any team the Clippers can put on the floor.  But they run the triangle, they move without the ball, they pass, and they get good shots.  Sure, a couple of those guys can actually shoot, and that helps.  But it is the movement and the passing that you notice.  I enjoy watching the Lakers play significantly more when Kobe is on the bench.  Some people like a great one-on-one move.  Give me a cut off the ball and a couple quick passes any time.  Well-coached teams get good shots, regardless of who they put on the floor.  Did you see the Spurs the other night, missing both Duncan and Parker?  They still got good shots.  

MDsr is a defense-first coach, and the results are evident - on the offensive end.  The Clippers do far too much standing - neither the ball nor the players move a lot.  Most offensive sets are designed to isolate whatever matchup the coach thinks is most advantageous.  Sure, it can be effective at times, and the Clippers are far from the only NBA team to employ the strategy.  But it ain't pretty.  And it didn't work tonight.

With the exception of the third quarter, when Corey Maggette scored 21 of his 27 points in a fine individual effort, the Clippers struggled mightily on offense, as they do most nights.  They finished the game shooting 38.8%.  And while the Lakers defense is improved versus a year ago, it's certainly not their strong suit.  But with Bynum's size and length bothering Kaman, and so much firepower wearing nice suits behind the Clipper bench (including Tim Thomas sitting out with a sprained ankle), it was extraordinarily difficult to get the ball in the hoop.  In falling behind 29-11, the Clippers had 2 points from Knight, 2 points from Ross, 6 from Davis and a single free throw from Kaman.  When 10 of your 11 points after 11 minutes have come from Knight, Ross and Davis, you're in for a long night.  The Clippers ended up with 15 in the first quarter, and 7 of those were second chance points.  That means the Clippers got  8 points, 4 buckets, running their 'offense', and I use the term loosely.

Still Maggette's 3rd quarter outburst threatened to make it interesting.  His 21 points included 9 of 10 from the line, 6 points in the lane, a three pointer early in the quarter, and a 3/4 court heave as time expired.  That unlikely shot (which never should have occurred - Maggette had dribbled the ball off his own foot before retrieving it, so it should have been a backcourt violation before the shot even went up) cut what had been a 19 point Lakers lead to 6 at the end of the quarter.  The Clippers, closer than they had been since early in the first quarter, should have taken all the momentum into the fourth.  

Instead, the Lakers outscored them 14-1 to start the quarter, building the lead right back up to 19, and the game was over.  

No one save Maggette looked particularly good for the Clippers tonight.  After Corey's 27, Kaman had 18 points, but he took 19 shots to get them.  He did have 16 boards (7 offensive) for yet another double-double, but if you like offensive efficiency, then Andrew Bynum was your preferred LA based NBA center tonight, going 7 for 9.  Bynum also blocked 6 shots while Kaman had none.  Davis and Dickau each had 10.  Most of Davis' points were trash truck stuff, just hanging around the lane and picking up the garbage.  As I said in pre-season, I like his passing a lot - he had one great bounce pass to Maggette for an assist.  Seems like 10 points and 5 rebounds maybe warranted more than 19 minutes for Paul.  As for Dickau, I tend to like the team better with him at the helm right now simply because they are so desperate for offense, and Dickau for Knight is an obvious upgrade on that end.  But the team has trouble regardless - Dickau was after all the point guard in the fourth quarter when the Lakers put the game away.

I am looking forward to the time that Sam Cassell can once again play, just to see if this team can find any semblance of an offensive identity again.  Until that time, we can expect more ugly losses.

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Great Post, Steve
It can be difficult for a Clipper fan to admit that the Lakers are so well coached, particularly on the offensive end.  They are indeed a pleasure to watch these days.  UCLA fans like me enjoy the rise of Jordan Farmar.  

by Jax on Dec 16, 2007 11:36 PM PST   0 recs

It can be difficult to figure out
how you consider yourself a Clipper fan.  The only people you ever have anything positive to say about are employed by other organizations.

At any rate, Baron Davis and his blown kisses are laughing at your comment, as are the Duncan-less, Parker-less Spurs.

A healthy team ran into a team so rattled by injuries that it started a 3rd stringer.  The results were predictable.

by John R on Dec 17, 2007 9:46 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

so, did Bynum get the best of Kaman? Didn't watch
Or was it mixed?

Kaman was great on the boards, and did have more points, but Bynum didn't miss much, and the 6 blocks, 3 on Kaman, were remarkable.

Who is the best center in LA?

by mp on Dec 17, 2007 9:37 AM PST   0 recs

Depends on what you are looking for...
Kaman is better now, and was better last night in fact.  Chris has been forced to be the focal point of the Clippers offense, and you're going to have some 6 for 19 games when that's the case.  Meanwhile, Bynum was 7 for 9, but many of those were dunks, most were assisted, and all were in close.  He will get better, but right now you can't really just throw it to him and let him get a bucket.  Or at any rate, the Lakers don't have to do that.

Where Chris is undeniably great right now is rebounding.  He won the battle of the boards with Bynum, grabbing almost as many offensive boards (7) as Drew had defensive boards (8).  So, even in last night's game which was not Andrew's best, Kaman was the better offensive player and the better rebounder.  So I give him the nod.

Andrew will have to continue working with Kareem to develop the offensive skills that Kaman has now.  But as far as a physical presence and a defensive force, the guy's only 20; he's very good now, and he could be amazing before much longer.

by ClipperSteve on Dec 17, 2007 10:05 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i like having big guys in the NBA
Howard, Oden, Bynmum, Yao and Kaman will be fun to watch over these next years.

by mp on Dec 17, 2007 10:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Disagreement...
Bynum CLEARLY outplayed Kaman Sun night.  He's got the size, strength, length, and quickness to give Kaman all sorts of fits.  I noticed that Bynum, ever so slightly, gave Kaman a few inches to the left (where the double was coming).  That's why Kaman kept driving towards a sea of yellow jerseys.  Maybe that was PJ's plan, but nonetheless Bynum delivered.

As far as rebounding (I'm not going to rewatch the Tivo to confirm any of this, so someone correct if I'm wrong), 7/16 in 38mins looks a lot better than 1/9 in 31mins.  But Bynum was guarding Kaman (19 shots) so it's rather difficult to defend the guy, alter/block (6 blocks total) his shot, AND grab the rebound (yes I know some of those shots came against Mihm, but they were mostly made baskets).  Also if I remember correctly Kaman got a few offensive boards from long bricks.  So the rebounding discrepancy isn't as egregious as it looks in the box score.

It's just one game, there are many battles to come.  Put Brand alongside Kaman, and give us back our guys who know how to consistently deliver adequate entry passes (Cassell/Liv).  Then I expect Kaman to outperform Bynum.  But last night wasn't the case.

On another note, I'm glad Thorton is getting playing time.  But I can't say I'm happy with what I'm seeing.  He just doesn't know where he's supposed to be on either side of the floor.  Why does he bite on so many pump-fakes?  I know Kobe's one of the best at it, but is the risk of fouling a jump-shooter (KOBE, of all people) outweighed by the benefit of bothering/blocking his (again, it's KOBE) shot?  I remember hearing "GET YOUR HANDS UP!" TWICE from MDSr on that one possession where the Lakers got Thorton switched on Kobe and Kobe eventually pump-faked Thorton up in the air for a foul on a 3PA (Ross came to help too).  I saw Thornton wipe his hands on his shorts but never did he get his hands up.  Cassell needs to teach Thornton how to keep his feet on the ground.  Then Ross can teach Thorton how to leave his feet only after the shooter does.  Thorton has almost a Marion-esque quick jump, the early bird doesn't always get the worm.

Offensively Thorton is settling for far too many jumpers.  Attack the rim!  You're fast Al, really.  Faster than Corey, and look at his FTAs.  Yes, Maggette should teach Thorton too (on the art of penetrating, drawing contact, and screaming "AHHH").  I'm a huge Thorton supporter (I was the only guy clapping at the Clips Draft Party when they selected him over local favorite Nick Young), but right now he's nothing more than James Singleton with a slightly better J.

by supac on Dec 18, 2007 6:54 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Slight disagreement with your disagreement...
Bynum looked great Sunday, and Kaman did not look his best at all.  My initial reaction was that Bynum completely outplayed him, but the box score (particularly the rebounding) persuaded me otherwise.  Kaman is a truly great rebounder right now... 3rd in the league by a wide margin over the fourth place guy... don't take that away from him.  Bynum's a good rebounder, but Kaman is one of the best.  Kaman's shooting night hurt, but to his credit he played hard despite the ball not going in.

As for Thornton, he is definitely lost on defense right now.  Kobe just abused him on that pump fake, and it was painful to watch, because you knew it was coming.  He's also lost on his rotations.  But he's got the physical skills, and by all indications, he's got the desire to get better, so his defense will improve.  On offense, it's a question of confidence I think.  But as a rookie, he's just going to go through a learning curve - they all do.  The fact that he's getting minutes is the good news.  I think he'll be a much better player by the second half of the season.

by ClipperSteve on Dec 18, 2007 9:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting
While Thornton is a rook, he's not a young rook at 24 years old.  The one major knock on him was his bball IQ.  He will need alot of seasoning.  Perhaps this lost season is the perfect recipe.  

by Jax on Dec 18, 2007 11:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

RE:
I was at the game and from that view Kaman dominated the game. I never would have thought he was only 6 for 19 but I did miss the 1st qtr.

Given the offensive holes we are throwing out there, Kaman was double and even triple teamed on occasion. It was nice of CM to show up in the 3rd qtr since he was a big zero in the 1st half other then some free throws. The other CM was also non-existent in the 1st half only he didn't get it together in the 2nd half.

I cringe whenever I see Knight and Ross on the court at the same time. If it wasn't for Kaman I wouldn't even bother watching these guys until Livy and Brand show up. His growth has exceeded my most optimistic expecations for him. At this point I look forward to watching to see if he and Brand can co-exist and become a deadly one-two punch.

by ToyCannon on Dec 17, 2007 12:54 PM PST   0 recs

Mixed Result
Game could have gone a little better for the generic Clips, and the opening of the 4th was hard to take, but none of it was unexpected.  A few thoughts/observations:

--Kaman vs. Bynum.  Kaman is solid, pulling his own weight and then some, but he needs more help and seems to be wearing down a little bit as the focal point of the generic Clips attack.  The fact that Bynum was big, long, and active meant that Kaman was facing a genuine challenge, and it seemed to me that CK was pressing a little bit and got off to a slow start.  Not a surprise, really.  Put it this way, would you rather be Andrew Bynum and playing with Kobe, Lamar, Fisher, and Walton, or Chris Kaman playing with Maggette, Ross, Davis, and Knight?  You'd probably like to be Kaman playing with Brand, Maggette, Mobley, and Cassell/Livingston.  At any rate, Kaman was okay, playing what for him, this season, would have to be a slightly below average game.

--Maggette.  The part I don't understand is how he can rack up points so easily in the 3rd quarter, after getting nothing in the first half.  After the Lakers came out with the quick hit at the crucial start of the 4th, I'm not sure that MD's strategy of Thornton-Mobley-Frahm with Kaman-Dickau was the way the turn the tide.  Whatever.

One big problem these days for the Clips is that they haven't figured out, in the new order where Kaman is solid and productive, how to get CK his 20ppg and 15rebs, and have Maggette break out at the same time and get 30+ pts.  I suppose it's a good sign that Maggette is scoring at 20ppg and now put up a monster quarter.  But before the emergence of new Kaman part of the blueprint was for Maggette to average 25ppg and have the 30+ outings that go along with that.

Really, it's just a question of Kaman and Maggette both having really strong, above average games on the same night.  Kaman has done his part, but Maggette hasn't quite gotten there.  And one big issue for the Clippers is that those are the guys that are doing well, and the two of them can't do it alone.  

--My man Paul Davis.  I really like to see rebounding, activity, and some more defense in the starting PF, rather than the guy who chucks up threes.  He picked up some slack to get the Clips started, and Davis was still not quite what he needs to be, but Thornton was even less stellar.  Oh well.  And it was good to see Dunleavy try Josh Powell on Odom--why not, at that point, use the guys who are on the roster.  Davis was okay, or below average, but at least he's making some plays, and I'd just like to see him put together one really good game before Thomas comes all the way back.  

--Dickau hit some shots, but he missed the key attempts that needed to go down in the 4th and also the 3rd, when it mattered.  He's playing looser and with more confidence and doing some more scoring, but it would really help if he could hit some big shots.

by zhivclip on Dec 17, 2007 1:04 PM PST   0 recs

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