More Observations Following the 'Debacle in Seacle'
The snowball is gaining momentum.
A desperate attempt by the Clippers to squeeze out a couple more wins in November (in games they had little chance of winning) has resulted in a winless December (in three games they should have won). It is one month tomorrow since Cat Mobley pulled his groin muscle. But Cat only sat out for a week, and the Clippers are 2-9 in the 11 games since he came back. His production has been abysmally bad in those 11 games, and he's 19 for 70 (27%) during the seven game losing streak. So it is truly the worst of both worlds. He is hindering the cause now, and he's not getting healthy for later. If he had sat the remainder of November, over 3 weeks, it's difficult to imagine that the Clippers would have a worse record right now. More importantly, Cat would be 100% and we would not be subjected to more 2 for 10 nights (he was 1 for 9 when it counted before a meaningless make at the end). This would all be less absurd if everyone hadn't known better. When he played against the Knicks, he could barely walk. Trainer Jasen Powell said without equivocation that the groin would take significantly longer to heal if he tried to play. And the Clippers spoke openly of needing to shut him down even after he had come back. Yet he has averaged over 32 minutes per game in the last 11, while producing basically nothing, because MDsr needs his blanket. By the way, Kevin Martin of the Kings just pulled a groin muscle, and is expected to miss 4 to 6 weeks. Obviously, muscle pulls can vary in severity. But it never made sense, the way Cat left the floor in Indianapolis, for a 32 year old guy to come back in a week. Never. And the losing continues.
Cat's elbow is a more complicated situation. There was no mention of it in the press or anywhere as far as I know until late November, but then they said he hurt it in a fall in Indy, way back on Nov. 7. Ralph keeps talking about how ugly it is. What is the prognosis? (We don't know.) Should he be resting it instead of playing? (It sure would seem so.) How is it affecting his game? We know that he's been a horribly bad shooter since injuring his shooting elbow (and his groin of course), so we have some circumstantial, cause-and-effect evidence there. But in the Seattle game, I noticed something much more concrete. Cat Mobley is left handed, and tends to do EVERYTHING with his left. Unlike many NBA players, he rarely finishes with his off hand, even on layups on the right side. Like Lamar Odom, he's just all left. Last night Mobley missed three point-blank layups - and all of them were taken right handed. If healthy, it would be unusual for Cat to shoot with his right one time, forget about three times. There's no question that the elbow is a MAJOR problem for him.
It may not be too much longer before the snowball overtakes the Clippers one shining bright spot, Chris Kaman. He's currently playing an average of 38.3 minutes per game, while his high for a season was previously 32.8. He played 41 minutes on Tuesday night, and 42 minutes on Wednesday night - I don't need to look it up to know that the guy has never played 83 NBA minutes in 27 hours before. In the first half against Seattle, he had 15 points and 10 rebounds. In the second half, he had 4 and 4 and he looked fatigued. How much longer before he gets worn down by his current workload?
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The Problem
Keeping Mobley around and getting the "improbable" victory in the Denver game was understandable. They were watching Mobley carefully, assuming he wasn't going to play, and then he played and they won. We know now, with hindsight, that it would have been better for him to sit out that game and sit through the other "improbable" games to rest and recover for the easy part of the schedule.
Mobley is injured enough and struggling enough that he's coming off the bench now. Since this is where he's at, and his lack of productivity is completely obvious, why isn't he sitting out and getting better?
Part of it, I think, is that with time and treatment the groin has become fairly manageable, even though it's not 100% by any means. And the elbow is bad (and slightly mysterious), but the elbow was bad for a long time (and even more mysterious--we never heard anything about it really) and he played with it. I've heard EB say before that his approach is that if he can walk/run, he can play, and Mobley obviously feels the same way. But for us, from the outside looking at the team, this has clearly been a disaster.
And the "blanket" factor is substantial. SG on this team, especially with the injuries, is a linchpin position. Ross can take minutes, but he's clearly inadequate. If Mobley can't play, then it would force Dunleavy to play Maggette at SG--and Maggette's injury is a factor in all this of course--which would then open up the PF/SF floodgates.
That gets us back to the problem. How much of this is bad luck and a particularly nasty set of injuries, and how much of it is Dunleavy? The part I don't like is that Dunleavy sticks to things relentlessly and has to be forced to try a different approach. So many of these decisions seem to be really basic and just obvious. He had to be forced to put Maggette into the starting lineup. He constantly played an unproductive and raw Chris Kaman ahead of Chris Wilcox, dismissing Wilcox's talent and value because they weren't to his liking. He played Walter McCarty extended minutes when he wasn't able to hit shots or contribute, keeping other worthy players on the bench in the meantime. Now he is often playing Ruben Patterson at PF ahead of Aron Williams, Paul Davis, and Josh Powell, and was giving Patterson SF minutes ahead of talented rookie Al Thornton.
When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose. Dunleavy does a lot of great things, but he doesn't strike me as the type who is probably a big Bob Dylan fan.
by zhivclip on Dec 6, 2007 4:43 PM PST reply actions
Funny
Things like this are funny to me. Shouldn't it be to a credit that the Clippers stuck with Kaman instead of Wilcox?
But then, this is just the most minor of misdirected hostility that highlights the whole.
I used to think that Clipper fans were smarter than average. After reading some of the comments here and on Kevin's post covering the game, I know now that they are just as hopeless as the rest of humanity. I only saw the middle of the game and I thought to myself, I can't wait to see Jax blame this game on MDSr. It seemed impossible. And sure enough the usual jackholes gave it their best shot, despite Kevin clearly demonstrating its the failures of the Clippers themselves, and not the coach, that is the problem.
Its like some sort of bizarre stockholm syndrome.
I look forward to the finality of my divestiture from NBA basketball after this season.
90% of EVERYTHING is crap.
Where I come from,
John R, you've misconstrued my opinions. I've been reviewing your posts for a long time now. Generally I refrain from arguing with you for the reasons stated above. I must say, however, that I've never seen you propose a solution or explain precisely why it is that you appreciate MDSr's coaching or take the time to explain why you are right and why others are wrong. With all due respect, calling those with whom you disagree "jackholes" and the like only reflects poorly on you, my friend.
I don't blame the players for the losses. It's management's responsibility to assemble the team, decide what offensive and defensive schemes to use, make in game decisions, motivate the players and do whatever else it takes to win the game. THe players are responsible for executing the game plan. Do you disagree with anything said?
Many of the players are injured. True or false.
Some of the players missed layups yesterday. That's not the issue. Layups are missed in every game. Watch the game. Do the players appear energized? Do the schemes appear organized? Any input, John R?
Many of us believe MDSr is a reactionary coach and we don't like that type of coaching. Isn't that a legitimate opinion?
I don't know why I take the time to respond to nuttering nabobs, particularly those who thought, for example, that the isolated Dunaghy situation would be the downfall of the NBA.
by Jax on Dec 6, 2007 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
A Reply
I'm glad the Clippers stuck with Kaman. I'm even glad, now, that the Clippers gave Kaman a sizable contract--that has turned out to be a good move. And I'm also glad that the Clippers traded Wilcox for Radmaonovic, and that they signed Tim Thomas.
What I said, was that Dunleavy played an unproductive and raw Chris Kaman ahead of Chris Wilcox. Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was referring to Kaman's first two years in the league. Of course, Wilcox wasn't an ideal player at that point either, but his athleticism was superior to Kaman's and he had greater experience.
Now, in his fifth year, we're seeing Kaman play at a consistently high level. He had a very solid 2nd half of his 3rd season--which coincided with Wilcox's departure. Last year was a bit of a struggle, but it it all seems to be working out.
So the question is whether Kaman's development would have been impeded if he had played behind Wilcox for his first two years in the league.
Seems valid enough, but I can understand the opposite viewpoint.
I don't know that the Clipperblog post completely takes Dunleavy off the hook. I think the issues raised with Thomas and Mobley are valid. But again, I can see the opposing viewpoint.
Let me just ask this: would you keep starting Thomas and playing him extended minutes, or would you consider trying something else? Do you think it might be a good idea to sit Mobley and let him get healthy?
by zhivclip on Dec 7, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions

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