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When the Music Stops

Here at ClipsNation, I have compared this summer's free agent point guard situation to dominoes, to Russian Roulette... in fact, not wanting to miss out on any potential metaphor, I have compared it to just about everything at one time or another.

Now that the best prospects are all gone, we need to choose the best analogy.  Unfortunately for the Clippers, we're playing musical chairs, the music has stopped, and Elgin Baylor is still standing and watching.

But looking at the situation, I can't really bring myself to criticize the organization too much for their inaction.  In fact, this may have been like the War Games computer playing Global Geothermal Nuclear War - the only way to win was not to play.  (Whatever happened to Ally Sheedy?)  

By my count, there have been six point guards signed as starters (or at least potential starters) and several more so far as primary backups.  For four of the six 'starters', I use the term loosely, since they probably SHOULDN'T be NBA starters, and they certainly WOULDN'T start ahead of, say, Shaun Livingston.  The Clippers plan from the beginning of July was to target Steve Francis.  Because of Francis' Portland buyout, subsequent sojourn clearing waivers, and the time he spent deciding among his suitors, the other viable point guards were off the market before the team knew they had lost out on Francis.  That's the way it goes.

But even in retrospect, I'm hard-pressed to see another great alternative.  

Chauncey Billups - re-signed with the Pistons for 4/$46M, far above the MLE that the Clippers had available.  The only option would have been a sign and trade, and there's no indication the Pistons or Billups were the least bit interested.  Billups was never an option.

Mo Williams - re-signed with the Bucks for 6/$52M, again above the MLE.  The Heat made a run at Williams with their exception, but Mo eventually opted for the money.  The Clippers could not offer as much.

Derek Fisher - signed with the Lakers for 3/$14M.  After walking away from significantly more money on his Jazz contract, it was fairly obvious that Fish was going to return to the team that drafted him.  Sure, the Clippers are in the same city, and could have met his requirements in terms of medical facilities and specialists to treat his daughter, but realistically Fisher was never going to choose the Clippers over the team with which he won three rings.  Could the Clippers have offered him more money?  Sure - up to the full MLE, in theory.  But I wouldn't want to tie up that much money in a 33 year old point guard anyway.  Fisher was never a realistic option.  (I saw a comment on a blog recently that said the Clippers should have claimed Fisher on waivers and committed to his full salary, just to hack off the Lakers.  I thought that was pretty creative.)

Steve Blake - signed with Portland for a reported 3/$12M (the final year is a team option).  Would I want $4M in cap space tied up in Steve Blake?  Not really, no.  Aren't we all hoping that Jared Jordan is going to be better than Steve Blake by mid-season anyway?

Chucky Atkins - Denver lost Blake, and signed Atkins to replace him, for 2/$6.6M.  Yikes.  No thank you.  

As for Francis, I can't say exactly how ardently the Clippers pursued him, but I do know that after he signed with Houston his agent said that Stevie had other offers for more money.  It seems fairly clear that Francis was going to choose to move back to the city that he has called home for 8 years.

In addition to those six potential starters, several others have so far signed new contracts this summer: Jason Hart (been there, done that), Jacque Vaughn (he wasn't leaving the Spurs), Smush Parker (pass) and Travis Diener.  I was definitely intrigued with Diener, first mentioning him as a potential target back in April ("I'd much rather take a flyer on an unknown quantity like Diener ... than muddle through with Hart."), but he signed with the Pacers the same day that Francis signed with the Rockets.  Besides, after drafting Jared Jordan, Diener is less appealing.  We're not talking about a sure thing here - I'm just as happy hoping that Jordan can handle the job as I would be with Diener, who doesn't have that much more NBA-experience than Jordan.

Still, just because they didn't really mishandle free agency, doesn't mean the team isn't in big trouble at the point guard.  Are the point guards on opening day really going to be a 38 year old veteran with gimpy everythings and a rookie from Marist?  What exactly are the Clippers going to do?

Brevin Knight remains the one legitimate NBA point guard on the market and his agent confirmed his interest in the Clippers and vice versa over a week ago, though one wonders what the hold up is at this point.  I would not want the team to commit too much salary, and in particular too many years, to Knight.  Charlotte waived Knight when he was due to make $4.2M next season.  The buyout on that final season was $1.5M.  In other words, it was worth $2.7M to Charlotte just to be rid of him, which can't help his negotiating power.  I'd guess he could be had for about the same as or possibly a little less than Atkins (2/$6.6M - and for the record, I'd MUCH rather have him than Chucky).

Beyond Knight, the musical chairs game continues.  The Kings lost interest in Ronnie Price, and now are looking at Mike Wilks.  Price signed with Utah, which makes Dee Brown is available.  And of course there is the ongoing saga of Juan Carlos Navarro.  Meanwhile some guards on the fringes have signed with European clubs (including former Clipper Daniel Ewing) and others are being courted (like Jannero Pargo and Keith McLeod, one of whom will like be a teammate of MBFGC at Olympiakos next season).  (Another Euro signee is Allan Ray, meaning that NBA fans will be deprived of the confusion of Ray Allen and Allan Ray playing in the same backcourt.  Too bad.)  

If the Clippers don't sign Knight, I don't expect them to sign a free agent point guard before training camp.  Given the extremely thin pickings already, they'll wait until October and see what happens.  Several teams are carrying more players currently than they can realistically take into the season, so some veterans will end up on the waiver wire, while others will continue to be offered as trade bait.  

So it's still wait and see at the point guard position for ClipsNation, and as many of you have pointed out, the fact that we're discussing Brevin Knight as the major off-season signing does not bode well.  But overpaying for the WRONG point guard would in fact be far worse.

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John R and I had a brief exchange regarding Juan Carlos Navarron in the Knight diary (and Jared Jordan as well, I suppose). I'm still intrigued by JCN but it's so quiet out there, and the Aug 3rd deadline Barcelona set before they resign JCN and ensure he spends the rest of his career in Europe is fast approaching. I'm hoping the non-Knight news means the Clips are exploring the JCN option, but I'm far from optimistic.

As far as Jared "No Nickname" Jordan, we have to be realistic. MDSr does NOT give playing time to rookies, and he prefers his PGs to be veterans (look at history). Barring a Cassell injury, Jared's not going to get much playing time behind the likely either/or of Knight/Conroy. Ugh how sick it would be for Conroy to be our #2 PG... Another big whammy for Jared from MDSr's perspective is his defensive deficiencies. I just don't see him leaving the bench much, assuming he even makes the team.

Pargo, McLeod, Boykins, Armstrong - please pass on all of them for obvious reasons (the primary being suckassness). Not many possibilities left. I've just convinced myself, we're fucked.

by supac on Jul 29, 2007 2:41 PM PDT reply actions  

J2
Jared will crack the line up, and will make some heads turn.  He always has and he always will.  Don't underestimate this kid.  He thrives on it.

by zequeira4 on Jul 29, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

All Good Points...
I don't think the 'rookie' thing is going to be a problem for MDsr with JSquare - he doesn't run a team like a rookie.  But the defense problem is another matter.  Clearly Hart was successful because he played good D... and D may mean that MDsr chooses Conroy over JSquare.  Honestly though, I don't expect both of them to be on the team - Conroy is barely more than a rookie, and I just don't see them carrying two inexperienced point guards.  I think it's an either/or for those 2 (with the edge going to JSquare simply because he was the draft pick, so they have more of an interest in having him succeed).  They'll also sign SOME veteran point guard eventually, maybe only to a minimum contract - think Howard Eisley, David Overton, Rick Brunson.  

I assume something will happen with JCN this week, but with Parker landing in Miami I have no idea who's actually interested in the guy.  You and John R were talking about a lottery protected pick, but he might be had for a second rounder.  Washington has no interest in him, and if he goes back to Barca, he'll probably be gone for good.  Depending on what other offers they get, they'd rather have a second rounder than nothing.

by Steve Perrin on Jul 29, 2007 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say we roll with the combo guards for a while
Mobley can bring it up, and he and Maggette can run the offense from up top.  Q Ross/Thomas/Thornton can all hit the wide open mid-range shot that Jason Hart kept getting as the result of this set.

Of course, this is only necessary when Cassell is not in the lineup.

by mp on Jul 30, 2007 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Clipper pg blues
I look at this post and read the comments, and wonder if it's not time to create a Rick Brunson bandwagon  Oy.

On the rookie issue, let's not forget how much Ewing played in his first year, when Cassell and Livingston were hurt.  And that was the year that Cassell was relatively healthy.  Would have to check and see how many games Ewing started, how many total minutes.  And the year before, with Jaric and Liv, the Clips were deep into their 3rd string PG Brunson for big minutes and over 50 games as a starter.

Hopefully they'll sign Knight.  And out of all the choices, with the limited realistic possibilities you outline above, going after Francis and ending up with Knight is a very solid scenario.  It's still about what Cassell has left this year and where Livingston will be in his rehab/recovery on April 1 (Don't be fooled, Clipper fans!).

If we're talking about Conroy and JJordan and Diaz, I swear, Brunson might be worth a look.  I didn't really see Conroy play at all last year because I was so disgusted.  The key is to get somebody who will not turn the ball over, that's really the main thing.

As far as combo players go, it's highly volatile and dangerous because you're asking for turnovers.  Forcing Mobley into some pg minutes might not be so bad, if only because it might mean that his other "blanket" minutes are reduced.

I'm also curious about Korolev.  In some ways, he's a pretty natural choice, playing alongside Mobley (or Cassell).  He does some of the things that Livingston does, has a passer's mentality, is a MDjr type--but the truth is that we really don't know anything about him.  I would really be curious to see him actually play in preseason.  I'm assuming he didn't play in summer league because they're waiting to sign a pg before finishing his deal.  But again, we really know nothing.

And for all of the QRoss sturm and drang, does he have any ability to play this role?  Is it possible to have Maggette, Mobley, and Ross on the floor at the same time?  I don't know as much as I should about offenses, but Ross seems pretty solid as Ron Harper-type big guard in the triangle, with MJ/Kobe as the sg.  Dumbleavy spent so much time trying to have Ross take Maggette's job, maybe he should have been thinking about how Ross could help fill the gap left with Cassell and Livingston down.

by zhivclip on Jul 30, 2007 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Ross can fill the role
he hits his open J and could probably post up the PG who would be forced to guard him.  

On the defensive side, Maggette is the only starter who needs to be hidden (assuming a lineup of Mobley, Maggette, Ross, Brand, Kaman).  

by mp on Jul 30, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh oh
So the Celtics are probably in the hunt for a PG at this point.  The Clippers might have just picked up some competition for Knight.

Today is the arbitrarily imposed deadline for something to happen with JCN as well.

by John R on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

No, it's Friday
August 3, not August 1st.
Bullets Forever, your Washington Wizards blog.

by Mike Prada on Aug 1, 2007 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately
It seems increasingly clear that free agents are not overly interested in playing for the Clippers, despite the playing time available for them here.  I suspect that one of the primary reasons for this problem is the decisionmaking of the coaching staff last year.  Let's hope that MDSr's recent statement about starting Maggette this year, thereby conceding one of the biggest mistakes he made last year, will be seen by some of the free agents considering the team.  I also suspect that this was one of the primary reasons why MDSr made the statement unequivocally and at the time that he did.  

I for one do not think that Q Ross would suffice in that role.  They desperately (and I emphasize the word desperately) need someone like Knight in the short term.

by Jax on Jul 31, 2007 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Ladies and gentleman
He's done it again!

Yes, we know you think its Dunleavy's fault.  Its all you think.

We have heard the story.  You are a janitor at the Spectrum Club.  One time Maggette signed your mop and instantly became your favorite player.  So despite the fact that you seem to lack any NBA knowledge about anything outside of your belief that once Coach of the Yeah "Dunleavy sux lol" you know and insist on repeating constantly and without regard for relevance, despite the mountain of statistical and observational evidence to the contrary, Corey Maggette getting two hundred fifty additional minutes last season was all that stood between the Clippers and the promised land.

I mean, the only guy they have failed to land so far this offseason is Francis, and if you think it had anything to do with Dunleavy, well I think we all know what Tim Duncan would say about that.  Steve Francis couldn't care less what happens to Corey Maggette.

If there is any reason free agents aren't interested in playing for the Clippers, its most likely because they are the Clippers.  Its second most likely because PG playing time isn't guaranteed at all with Cassell around and the ghost of Livingston lurking.

by John R on Aug 1, 2007 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's Get Back To The Important Issues At Hand
John R, why are you so hostile?  Once again, your unhealthy obsessions concerning me are clouding your understanding of the issues.  I would suggest that you refrain from the personal attacks on this forum as they add nothing to the discussion.  

My opinion is my opinion.  Yours (such that it is) is obviously very different from mine.  There are a number of people who agree with me that MDSr's unprofessional handling of Corey, and his decisionmaking last year with regard to the Clipper offense, contributed significantly to the team's performance.  As a long time (and long suffering) Clipper fan, I am very concerned that MDSr lost the team as a result and I also am very concerned that EB and Corey will not resign with the Clippers as a result.  

As I indicated, these issues could play into the decisions made by significant free agents as to whether they want to sign with the team.  Perhaps this is why MDSr (John R's "Coach of the Yeah") so boldly stated that Corey will be starting this year.  

Finally, John R, no, I'm not a janitor at the Spectrum Club (another unnecessary and nonsensical personal attack that I presume is your way of saying that I'm not as smart as you believe you are).  I do, however, play basketball there on a regular basis as I happen to belong to that Club.  

I must admit, however, that I am very curious as to just what it is that you do.

Please, John R, get back to the issues.  

by Jax on Aug 1, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

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