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Clippers vs. Magic - Game Preview and Open Thread

LA Clippers logo
vs.
Spurs logo
10-21 22-14
Staples Center
Jan. 9, 2008 - 7:30 PM
Probable starters:
Sam Cassell PG Carlos Arroyo
Quinton Ross SG Keith Bogans
Corey Maggette SF Hedo Turkoglu
Al Thornton PF Rashard Lewis
Chris Kaman C Dwight Howard
The Big Picture:

I probably shouldn't say it, but when you look at the Murderer's Row of Division leaders and 22 win teams the Clippers have been playing (we're on opponent 7 in a string of 9 out of 10 games), this is the one you think, hey, we can win that one.  Why?  Well, it's probably just Western Conference bias.  Not to mention a since of history.  The Mavs, Suns and Spurs have been great for years - the Magic had a losing record last season.  But it goes beyond that.  Despite the 16-4 start, one always had the feeling that the Magic were overachieving.   Indeed, they have since gone 6-10.  Add in the fact that the generic Clippers are as healthy as they have been since game 3 of the season, and I have a very good feeling about this game.  The Clippers played well enough to have beaten a lesser team than the Spurs Sunday.  The Magic are a lesser team than the Spurs.

The Antagonist:

OK, so why all the Magic bashing?  No reason really.  When they were 16-4, without looking under the hood, I assumed that several things had happened.  (1) Dwight Howard had arrived.  (2) The Rashard Lewis signing had paid off big time.  (3) Jameer Nelson was playing well.  It turns out, that only one of those three things is true.  Dwight Howard is playing like the monster he is.  But other than Hedo Turkoglu, no one else on the Magic is having a particularly good season.  Lewis is who he is - a one-dimensional player (albeit one who has destroyed the Clippers in recent years).  Meanwhile, Jameer Nelson has been benched in recent games.  Hence 10 losses in the last 16 games (I can't really explain the 16-4 start).  In fact, in their last 9 games they are 4 and 5, but the four wins came against New York, Miami, Charlotte and Chicago - literally the 4 worst teams in the Eastern conference.  They have one win against a team with a winning record in their last 16 games - which is one more than the Clippers have, but still.  Their first forward off the bench is Mo Evans.  Their backup center is Adonal Foyle.  Dwight Howard is shooting almost 61%, but no other shooter is better than 46% (most are much worse).  Dwight Howard is averaging 15 rebounds per game, but the starting forwards combine for just over 11 (almost identical to the Clippers' situation.)  This team is beatable.

The Subplots

  • Dwight Howard is a liar.  I'm told that he's a good Christian boy, but Dwight Howard apparently lied about being able to touch the top of the backboard.  According to this fascinating book excerpt from TrueHoop today, Dwight Howard says he can touch the top of the backboard, but no one's ever seen him do it, despite all the tricky videos of him kissing the rim and what-not.  Everyone always says his 'sticker dunk' score from last year's dunk contest was too low, and I agree, but you can understand why it happened.  When Dwight's been telling everyone how he can touch the top of the backboard, what's with a sticker 9 inches below?  He may have overpromised a tad on that one.  (Seriously, this guy is a complete freak of an athlete, top of the backboard or not.  He's such a good athlete, that it doesn't much matter that he's still not that great a basketball player.  He just dunks on people because he's so much stronger and bigger than they are.)
  • Kaman vs. Howard.  Ready or not, here he is.  And Kaman knows it.  For all of his quirkiness, Chris Kaman is one of the more self-aware guys in the NBA.  He knows his numbers, and he knows Howard's numbers, and he knows that people will watch this matchup tonight.  Statistically speaking, there are really only four centers worth talking about in the NBA - Howard, Stoudemire, Yao and Kaman.  If you consider that Stoudemire is really more of a power forward, that leaves three traditional, back to the basket centers.  If you want some combination of scoring, rebounding and blocked shots, these are your guys.  Howard averages 22.6, 15.2 and 2.6;  Yao is at 21.6, 10.5 and 2.3; and Kaman is at 18.1, 14 and 2.9.  That's some pretty impressive company.  Chris has had trouble handling big challenges in the past.  How he fares in this one will go a long way toward determining the Clippers' chances.
  • Lots of Practice Time.  While the schedule has been brutal in terms of the opposition, it's been strangely kind in terms of the pace of games.  In four weeks from Dec. 22nd until next Friday, Jan. 18th, the Clippers play 10 games, essentially playing 1 game every three days.  Indeed, they've had two days off since the Spurs game Sunday, and they get 2 days off for each of the next 3 after this one as well.  Big deal you say.  Well, to put this in some perspective, look at it this way.  During the season, if the team has back to back games, there's no time for anything more than some game film and a shootaround.  If they have one day between games, they can have a full practice, but with aging players and injuries, most teams will keep it pretty light and basic.  It's these times with at least two days between practice that coaches can introduce new wrinkles and push their teams to improve.  Between Dec. 22 and Jan. 18, the Clippers have a total of 7 such lulls.  After that, not counting the All Star Break, they don't have another one until March 23.  So if it seems like the Clippers haven't been playing much lately, you're right, but it's going to change in about a week.
  • Will Thornton Remain the Starting 4?  Now that Tim Thomas is back, it remains to be seen if MDsr will leave Al Thornton in the starting lineup.  He was still there against the Spurs, but of course that was Thomas' first game back.  I think you know how I feel on the subject.  As it happens, the Magic essentially start two small forwards in Lewis and Turkoglu, so there's no reason not to start Al tonight.
  • The Guillermo Diaz Era Begins - Tonight could mark the NBA debut of the Clippers 2007 second round pick, Guillermo Diaz.  For what it's worth, he could actually square off against his countryman Carlos Arroyo.  By my count, Arroyo, Diaz and Juan Jose Barea are the only three Puerto Rican players currently in the NBA.  See, it's these little things that keep you coming back to ClipsNation.
  • Bringing the Subplot Full Circle - Diaz is athletic.  How athletic?  Well, in a follow-up to the 'top of the backboard' story referenced above, TrueHoop says that "[David] Thorpe saw Diaz get his hand within a couple of inches of the top of the backboard when Diaz was not in peak shape."  Holy crap.  Given that Diaz is 6'2", that would make him the greatest leaper in the NBA.

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Agreed
On the same page per usual--I was thinking, you know, how good are the Magic, and why can't the generic Clips beat them?  But my expectation would be for more good play and another moral victory, while other Pacific and West Conf teams get real wins.

There are a few keys to why the game seems winnable.  The first few are fairly obvious, and were discussed previously:  the Clips are healthy, should be rested; Cassell has enough games back now that he should get around to hitting a shot soon; maybe Thornton will continue to start (esp. against Lewis/Turkoglu), which gives the Clips bench scoring (Cat, TT); etc.

Then it gets more interesting.  You look at the Magic having a fair amount of success and starting two SFs, and you like Thornton/Maggette.  But you know they get away with it because Dwight Howard is such a beast.  The point being, that most teams don't really have a Kaman 2.0 to match up against Dwight Howard.  And it's also obvious that Howard does most of his damage by being a freak, especially all the dunks.  He's blocking shots too, of course, to go along with sick rebounding numbers, but my question is what his defense, and what the Orlando team defense is like, and what that will do to Kaman.  Just the fact that Kaman should be able to stay in the game with Howard seems like it might give the Clips some hope.  Kaman had real trouble against defense-focused Tyson Chandler, who was patient and always in position and got a lot of help.  But can Howard focus the same way on somebody like Kaman, who has lots of moves, or is he more used to beating up on no-offense centers, etc.?

One thing to point out about Howard, in looking at his numbers.  He's had his share of monster games.  Kaman set his levels at numbers that shocked all of us, an incredible best-case scenario, and he has hit them over and over again this year.  Some games are clearly superior to others.  Some nights he has gotten really good shots and timely rebounds, and in some of the tough games he has picked up a few buckets or rebounds towards the end of games.  I'm not saying that his stats are padded in anyway.  And he has had the monster rebounding nights.  But as the focus of the team, he hasn't really had a crushing, next level offensive game yet, and he seems due.  Which is not to say that he's going to do it against Dwight Howard.  But that's part of the difference between Kaman and Howard:  Howard has gone over 30 multiple times, and that's why his average is 22ppg.  Kaman has been at 26 at least twice, and I'm curious to look and see how many 20+ games he has (and how many he had previously in his career).

Then, as you point out, the Magic are on the skids just a bit, at least as far as elite team status is concerned.  The NBA has its ups and downs (mostly downs for the Clips these days), and for every Portland winning streak there's going to be a fall from teams like Orlando and Utah.  So they seem impressive, and maybe they are, and Howard is definitely very real, but let's see what happens.

It's good you point out the success of Lewis against the Clips, because somehow I'm more scared that he will play well than I am that Howard will dominate.  But maybe Thornton could be the answer for that--David West had played well against the Clips, but didn't do much against Thornton (and still killed Powell and led NO to a win).  Turkoglu is interesting because he's the kind of guy who is like the anti-Maggette, good ball handler, hits shots and also moves the ball well.  And like Peja did, he or Lewis can change the game by hitting a couple of 3 pointers at an opportune time.

 

by zhivclip on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM PST   0 recs

Magic off to a good start
You can't stop Maurice Evans; you can only hope to contain him.

by Ben Q Rock on Jan 9, 2008 8:06 PM PST   0 recs

The Magic is stuck right now
Dwight's Howard's face says it all. On a serious note this has been an interesting comeback. A 10-0 run doesn't hurt matters either. And what the hell is FSN Ticket? I thought the Clipps were on FSN2.
Playing basketball at the LA Arena is kind of like volunteering to be Satan's Spawn. It just shouldn't be contemplated.....

by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2008 9:52 PM PST   0 recs

FSN Prime Ticket...
Last year FSN West 2 changed it's name to FSN Prime Ticket.  It's a throwback channel... Prime Ticket was the all sports cable channel (first one on the west coast, maybe the fist one in the world for all I know) way back in the 80s.  

Dwight Howard was nothin' in this game.  Hedo Turkoglu... now that guy can play.

by ClipperSteve on Jan 9, 2008 10:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah Hedo has found his niche this year
Playing basketball at the LA Arena is kind of like volunteering to be Satan's Spawn. It just shouldn't be contemplated.....

by pookeyguru on Jan 10, 2008 11:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

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