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It's getting a little depressing around here, I'll admit it.  What with Cassell gone, Brand and Livingston still out and Kaman hurt (and sick and missing before that)...  well, there's just not much to be excited about.  

Here's a current pulse on your 2007-2008 Clippers:

The Departed

  • Ruben Patterson - Waived by the Clippers in December, he is so much in demand in the NBA that no one has picked him up.  Particularly strange given that several teams ostensibly need to stop Kobe at some point in the near future.  The 327 minutes he played for the Clippers this season are, sadly, 327 minutes of my life I'm not going to get back.
  • Richie Frahm - Ruben's replacement for 10 games.  He was brought in as a shooter, and made 7 of his first 17 threes with the club.  Then he missed his next 8, and, well, no guaranteed contract for you.
  • Guillermo Diaz - A second round pick in 2007, he was waived in camp, but then brought up from the D League after Frahm was waived.  In consecutive 10 day contracts, he played 18 minutes of NBA basketball and then was waived again.  Why we didn't get a better look at the guy is anybody's guess.
  • Sam Cassell - The starting point guard when healthy, he missed 16 out of 55 games and was limited in a couple others.  Basically, he was out a third of the time.  And maybe we should never have expected more from a 38 year old.  While he was on the floor, he was still one of the best offensive players on the team.  His PER this season was third best on the team at 17.12 (barely behind Kaman's 17.48).  For those of you who subscribe to such things, 15 is the magical midpoint in PER land.  The Clippers just waived one of three players on this season's team with an above average PER.  So there's that.
  • Paul Davis - Last year's second round pick looked great in pre-season on the pick and pop.  Then the real games started and he looked lost for the first month of the season.  Then he made 5 of 6 against Miami on Dec. 9 and 5 of 7 against the Lakers a week later, and it seemed as it he might be able to help a Clippers team that desperately needed someone to rebound and score just a little.  Two games later he tore his ACL, ending his season and likely ending his Clipper tenure.

The Unknowns

  • Nick Fazekas - Given the other entries on this list, Nick Fazekas may be the 3rd most intriguing Clipper in March and April, after Al Thornton and Chris Kaman.  The 34th pick in the draft, he was a D League All Star this season before getting waived by Dallas in the numbers crunch of the Kidd trade.  With nothing else to play for, there's no reason not to give the guy a good long look in the next few weeks.
  • Flip Murray (soon to be signed) - In November 2003, he averaged 25 points in the first 11 games filling in for Ray Allen and was a key contributor for the Sonics all season.  Unfortunately, that was the high point of his career, and he never got much traction in Cleveland or Detroit.  Still, he can score, and that just isn't true of too many guys on the Clippers so he'll be a welcome sight in March and April.

The Woefully One-Dimensional (at best)

  • Aaron Williams - In his 14th season in the league, Williams has played fewer minutes for the team (265) than anyone who is (a) still on the roster and (b) hasn't had major surgery.  And frankly, it was 265 minutes too many.  He should not be here, he should not be about, he should not be here when our Elton is out.
  • Josh Powell - Powell is a semi-bright spot.  He's proving to be a serviceable big.  He's a good rebounder and a decent defender.  I'm not convinced that he can hit a 15 footer, but unfortunately he's not convinced that he can't.  He's shooting 41% on the season - easily the worst percentage of his brief and uneventful career.  The truth of the matter is that Josh Powell is no better than the 12th man on a decent team, and probably should spend a fair amount of time on the inactive list as the 13th or 14th man - and that's more or less where he would have been if the season had gone differently.  The fact that he's been forced to start seven games tells you a lot.
  • Dan Dickau - The only Clipper available to play in all 55 games so far - he's also the only Clipper not to have started a single one.  Which hardly seems fair.  Theoretically the insurance point guard who can score, as opposed to Brevin Knight, he's shooting 37% on the season, 30% from three.  Pound for pound, one of the best basketball players around.  But he's not playing in an under 180 league.  He might be acceptable as the third string point guard on a real team - but he'll be 30 in September, and it would seem that it would make more sense to find someone with more upside.
  • Brevin Knight - Ostensibly the yin to Dickau's yang, he was supposed to be the good defensive point guard who could also take care of the ball and run the offense.  The fact that he's never really been able to shoot would be mitigated by the other positives he brings with him.  Well, you have to do a LOT of positive things to make up for 38% shooting on WIDE OPEN 15 FOOTERS.  He does have the second best assist to turnover ratio in the NBA.  That and $3.85 will get you a triple grande non-fat latte at the Starbucks.  Having low turnovers is great - I'd rather have that than high turnovers.  But he can't make a shot, and he doesn't penetrate - which means he's standing on the perimeter passing the ball around.  Which he does really, really well.  As for the defense, the steals are great, and he is sneaky on the blind side and in the passing lanes.  But if he was ever a really good on ball defender, that day is passed.
  • Quinton Ross - Q is who he is.  Bill Simmons recently said that Q has no value on a bad team.  And he's right.  On the floor with 2 great scorers and 2 good scorers, he has a role.  On the floor with the rest of the Generic Clippers, he's a liability.  He is a terrific defender, there is no question about that.  Last season, when he made 47% of his shots, he was just good enough on offense to keep defenses honest.  This season, the defenses are quite deceitful  He's shooting a career low 39% (notice a pattern?) and missed 21 in a row at one point in January.

The OK

  • Cuttino Mobley - A career 43.1% shooter, he's shooting 43.3% this season.  Career 86.6% from the line, he's shooting 86.7%.  39.4% is among his better seasons shooting the three.  He's fine.  He's solid.  But after opening the season with 21 points in game 1 and 33 points in game 3, including every big bucket when the Clippers needed them, his season high since is an even 20 - reached 3 times.  The early talk was of the Houston Mobley, the aggressive scorer of his first few seasons in the league (he went for 21.7 per game in 01-02).  And indeed the offensively challenged Clippers desperately needed that punch.  Alas, he's averaging 13 points per game - way below his career average and his lowest scoring season as a Clipper, if you can believe that.  He's fine.  He may bore me to death with two more seasons as the Clippers shooting guard, but he's fine.
  • Tim Thomas - As a player who once signed a near maximum contract, you might think that Tim Thomas has had a handful of big scoring seasons over the years.  Well, believe it or not, 07-08 is currently tied for the 2nd best scoring season in Tim Thomas' career.  He's another player who is pretty much who he is - although he's not shooting the three nearly as well this year as he has in the past.  At times he looks great - which makes all those other times all the more frustrating.

The Good

  • Al Thornton - Al is becoming widely accepted as the third best player from this draft behind Durant and Horford.  Dave McMenamin on NBA.com went so far as to say he is 'in the hunt' for Rookie of the Year.  He's proven he can score.  He's even starting to rebound some.  The bar is not real high, but he has the same number of rebounds per minute this season as Tim Thomas, though Al is really a small forward.  It's also important to note that Thornton is getting better in almost all categories - his February averages of 16 points and 6 rebounds are easily his best month, and his shooting percentage in 2008 is a respectable 46%, despite some really bad nights thrown in there.  He lacks consistency now, but that should come.  Hard to ask for more from the 14th pick - he's a keeper, and has a chance to be special.
  • Corey Maggette - He's always been a good scorer because of his relentless attacking and his knack for getting to the free throw line.  This season, especially since the new year, he's hitting his jump shot.  And when defenders have to honor his jump shot, their lives become very difficult.  He's also a good rebounder for a small forward, and playing better defense than he has in recent years.  Of course, it may all simply be the contract year push to get a big payday with someone else, in which case it does the Clippers no good.
  • Chris Kaman - I find it strange that Kaman is no longer getting prominently mentioned as a Most Improved Player candidate.  He's still third in the league in rebounding and third in the league in blocked shots.  These are not minor accomplishments.  It's a testament to how great he has been that he's still among the league leaders after a decidedly sub-par February.  With just one game left (a game he will likely miss), he's had 2 double-doubles in the month - after posting 10 in November, 14 in December, and 7 in January.  He needs to get healthy and finish out the season strong, hopefully side by side with Elton Brand.

So, like I said, on the whole a depressing list of names, right?

I was struck while watching the Celtics game that the old cliche little used doesn't really apply to anyone on the Clippers this season.  Little used Gabe Pruitt got onto the floor in the final quarter of the blowout - he played 10 minutes and is up to 69 on the season.  But even Yaroslav Korolev would have been forced into duty for the Clippers this season.  Everybody but Dickau has started, and Dickau has been the closer in at least a dozen games.  What's so sad is that there are so many 30-somethings being forced into big minutes, instead of promising 22 year olds.

But I'm here to tell you that although this season has been a disaster, it never had much of a chance to be anything else.  Furthermore, it doesn't matter a bit.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, the season was over when Brand's Achilles popped in August.  Since then, the most important things have all gone right.  Kaman, Thornton, Brand and Livingston are the keys.  Cassell was never going to be here next season.  Maggette's performance is a double-edged sword - he may look like someone the Clippers want to keep, but he's also making himself very attractive to others, so at the very least the price could go up if he can be retained at all.  Still, if Sterling has any chance to convince Baylor to keep him (over MDsr's objections, no doubt), it's after this season, when Maggette and MDsr are more likely to be relatively at peace with one another.

That's not to say that there aren't problems.  Just because Cassell was going to be gone, doesn't mean that the Clippers won't miss him.  They're 5-11 in games he hasn't played this season, which is not significantly different than their record in games with him.  But the offense certainly has looked better with him on the floor.  And questions abound not just about Livingston's recovering knee, but also about his injury history in general, not to mention that he's never been a full time starter in the NBA.  So there are issues.

But I'm saying that this miserable season (and it figures to stay miserable for awhile at least) has little to do with those issues.  

If I could have used a time machine to go from the August 2007 Brand injury forward to the June 2008 draft, I would want be looking for just a few things as I climbed out of the DeLorean:

  • Al Thornton first team all rookie team.
  • Chris Kaman worth his contract.
  • Brand back at full strength.
  • Livingston back at full strength.

If upon emerging in June 2008, I had found out that Mike Miller was a Clipper, that would have been great.  But there was no reason to think that was a significant possibility back in August, so it was never a realistic expectation.

Likewise, I suppose I could wish for Kaman to be first team all-NBA, but that wasn't realistic.  In fact, hoping for top 3 in rebounding and blocked shots would have been asking for way too much, but that's what I got.

Losing Cassell for nothing is unfortunate, to be sure.  But his salary still comes off the books, and the team was never going to get a lot for him regardless.  I've made a big deal about wanting a second round pick for him.  What are they realistically going to get with a second round pick?

And Maggette is not gone yet.  Very few teams have significant cap space this summer, and I don't see Corey fitting in Philadelphia or Memphis.  Would he be willing to sign for the mid-level exception after the best season of his career, at the age of 28?  He's opting out in order to get paid, not to take a pay cut.  It's looking increasingly as it Corey is going to have to play for the Clippers, or participate in a sign-and-trade, in order to get the payday he wants.  In that sense, his outstanding season may yet benefit the Clippers, as teams who can't afford to sign him outright may be willing to give up something in order to get him.

And then there's that draft pick.  It figures to be around 6 or 7 in what appears to be a pretty good draft.  And there's always the chance that the Clippers move up, though I'm not counting on it by any means.

Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley can be solid members of a very good basketball team.  Imagine a team where Thomas was the fourth or fifth scoring option, and not the second?  Brevin Knight and Quinton Ross (if he is re-signed) can likewise have limited roles on a good team (but please, never on the court at the same time).  

I'm trying to keep in perspective.  That awful 31% shooting game Wednesday night didn't hurt the Clippers in 08-09 - it helped them.  Obviously, it's a little brutal to watch lately.  If Kaman can get back on the court soon, it won't be quite so ugly.  And if Brand or Livingston can get back out there, then we'll have something to cheer about.

It's been a bad season.  But pretty much everything has gone right.  Now, if I can just get my flux capacitor working.

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Still a Bright Future?
Chad Ford said our future is dim and expects CM and EB to opt out, but when was the last time a player at his peak choose to take a pay cut over long term security? I was one of those who felt EB would opt out but as I think about it,  he has to be having thoughts about his long term security. This would make him more likely to sign an extension now and not wait a year. He must be acutely aware of how close his career came to being over last August.
So if we go with the idea that CM and EB are staying put,  then you have to put on the sunglasses when you look at the Clipper future. It may not be Kobe/Gasol/Bynum bright but after looking at your breakdown I do see plenty of bright lights.
  1. Al Thornton - steal of the draft, when was the last time if ever you could say the Clippers had the steal of the draft. And not just he is good for a 2nd round pick, but someone who is a top 3 rookie. When has that ever happened even when we've had the 1st pick in the draft.
  2. Chris Kaman - probably will not keep up his gaudy 1st half numbers but the skill is there and when the games get more competitive he'll continue to be a force - Should be a top 5 center in the West which is plenty to be excited about
  3. Corey Magette - is playing right now exactly as we expected he would at the start of the year. I've always felt that whenever Corey got on a roll like this, he would get hurt so I'm crossing my fingers that he can extend this run until the end of the year. I don't see an opt out for the reasons you mentioned. I could easily see a sign and trade so we will end up with something significant for him. Either we get CM, or we get something to help the team at another position since Al can handle the SF position going forward with aplomb.
  4. Elton Brand - This is like the Spurs year when the Admiral was out and they picked up Duncan. EB is fills the huge hole that we have on the team at power forward.
  5. Shawn Livingston - How Shawn progresses might determine how we use our draft pick but since were looking at the bright lights I'm going to consider for a moment that given his lengthy rehab that when he does return full strength next season he will be top point guard.
  6. Our Lottery Pick - According to Chad Ford's draft board it would appear that Arizona's Bayless is the best match. A 6'3 point guard who is really a scorer. Mixing and Matching Shawn, Cutino, Bayless should give us the best backcourt in years.
  7. Tim Thomas - Great off the bench, doesn't seem to have the ego that gets bruised when he's not starting.
  8. The Timberwolves future number one - with each year it gets closer to being non-protected it gets more valuable
  9. The Greek guy
  10. Fazekis - This will end being a solid move and not only will Dallas lament the fact they traded the future for Kidd in Harris, but Fazekis will also make Cuban look into the mirror in 2010 and say Devean George tried to save me and I didn't listen.
So a starting team of Shawn, Cutino, Corey, Elton, Kaman with Thornton, Thomas, Bayless, Fazekis coming off the bench.

Looks good to me. The 2nd team minutes will be made up of hungry young players and one veteran. Hopefully Bayless is as good as advertised and can push Mobely to the bench or to another team by the end of 2009.

Everything has to break right for that team to show up next year. Since these are the Clippers it is possible that all of things break right but we would still be screwed because EB isn't what he was, Shawn will continue to under perform, and CM will go back to being inconsistent or injury prone. As a Clipper fan you just expect the things to fall the wrong way but maybe the EB and SL injuries were actually the stars lining up for us for once. It was a way for Kaman to realize what he could do, for Thornton to get the playing time he needed, for us to have a lot of ping pong balls in a strong class of Freshman. Maybe like the Spurs it was our chance to hit bottom before we could hit the top.  

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 29, 2008 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

Chad Ford is the BIGGEST IDIOT
Really...he pulls stuff out of his butt.

Regarding the Clips, they need to draft a PG for sure, unless Sam wants to come back for another year at a bargain.  Let's face it, Cassell is 50% of the reason that they had such a great 05/06.  

Maggette...he will probably be back.  Why opt out to go get a mid-level somewhere.  Not likely that he will get that large of a pay increase elsewhere.  

by mp on Feb 29, 2008 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Well said
You're points are all solid.  I recently came across something that I said way back when Shaun was first hurt.  Sometimes when you can take the longer view (we'll lose in 07-08, plan for 08-09) it is liberating.  Unfortunately, I'm not convinced they did that part particularly well (signing a bunch of veterans for instance didn't really work out), but nonetheless some things fell into place.  Thornton and Kaman are the obvious ones.  (BTW, top 3 pick as of now - guys like Conley and Yi, the Youngs and Wright, not too mention Oden - may all be better eventually.  But he's still a steal at 14.)  But then there are other things that may or may not have happened - Did Shaun's jump shot get better (some say yes)?  Did Shaun bulk up at all?  And if Elton's semi-disappointing 06-07 was partly to do with fatigue, then watch out in 08-09, right?

by Steve Perrin on Feb 29, 2008 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

Great analysis
I'm definitely feeling the same malaise, but this analysis it the perfect pick me up.  The Clippers really don't deserve you, CS.  It's really just insane to support this team.  I'm not sure what to compare it to, but I know there have to be some great examples of passion for futility.  So now you've done outstanding work in the aftermath of the buyout that never ever should have happened, that made no sense, that Bill Simmons obnoxiously predicted in a backhand way only because it benefitted his Celtics.  He should stop complaining and renew his season tickets just because the Clippers were lame enough to help out his team.

One of the things that irks me about the Memphis deal falling through is that not only would Mike Miller have been a nice addition, but it would have been even better if Lowery or Crittenden was thrown into the deal, especially with the uncertainty about Livingston.  Oh well.

Okay, on to the good news.  But first I'll say that Chad Ford is an idiot, and a good example of someone very happy to keep the Clippers down and out.  There will always be a lot of those, and this year is like catnip to them.  Why not just give "cheapskate" DTS some credit for giving Cassell about 800k for solid (but injured) service, and signing Kaman, Mobley, and Thomas.  More on future contracts in a second.

The best news, aside from Kaman stepping up, is Thornton.  AT is a major bright spot, a great pick in all kinds of ways.  I'm not surprised that the Clips lucked out with a surprise pick, because they earned their good fortune after taking YK, all of Liv's troubles, and now add Davis' injury.  It was really just a makeup for the YK pick, and Thornton is older, etc.--they just got it right.  The best thing about him is that he really solves the always-complicated Maggette equation.  If Maggette leaves, AT can step right in and fill that spot.  If Maggette stays, the Clips are that much stronger and AT takes away some of Tim Thomas' minutes.  It's win-win.

The dark cloud for me is the Livingston situation.  Once again, the Cassell-Livingston timing that should have been so perfect, is a mess.  Why can't Livingston be back just as Sam is leaving?  Why gods why?  And when is Dickau going to have a good game?  Here's one idea for the ever-stubborn Dunleavy, now that Sam is gone:  how about starting Dickau once or twice, and bringing Knight in if it's a disaster?  Am I wrong, or does Dickau have more potential upside than Knight?  But as always, MD, please stick to the plan because it's working so well.  And don't trying playing Mobley at PG either.  That would really ruin things for sure.

On Brand and Maggette, Chad Ford is missing one very important thing.  Did he not see how all of these big contract/max guys were just traded?  Did he miss that?  Isn't EB's best scenario to sign a deal with the Clips, and then to demand to get out of it if things get really bad?  We now have the Sam precedent as just a little taste that DTS can function like any "normal" owner.  The Clips signed Sam, then let him go to a better situation.  If you're EB, don't you take the best deal you can get, which is from the Clippers, and give it a shot for a couple/few years?  And then if it doesn't work you (and your agent) become Shaq or Jason Kidd or Pau Gasol, and the Clippers are happy to send you to a superteam that is willing to pay the luxury tax.  But no, Ford thinks EB should leave millions on the table so that he can play with Duncan or Dwight Howard or whatever his idea is.  It doesn't make sense.

But then neither did the buyout.

Okay, enough analysis about the future.  Can't EB and Kaman get out on the court together?  He's practicing now, doing contact drills, and MAYBE he'll play on the mid-March roadtrip?  The Clippers have fans, and they'd like to see their real team play, even if they aren't in contention.  Do the Clips have to pass the magic 40-loss barrier before it's safe to bring EB back?  I guarantee you that EB could play tonight and be just fine, perhaps in limited minutes.  (Though I must say that when you're wrong about everything, like I am, making that kind of statement makes you pause.)  But I guess we should just enjoy Kaman slowing working his way back first.  Okay, okay--how about this--can we just see Fazekas get a few minutes?  Is that too much to ask?  Is there a single fan out there who wants to see Aaron Williams in the starting lineup tonight?    

by zhivclip on Feb 29, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

Chad Ford
You guys are all dissing Chad Ford.  But he actually as much as says that Brand will be back.  The simple fact is that without the ETO guys, it's a DISMAL free agency year.  Antawn Jamison is the only unrestricted guy worth a damn, and he's still Antawn Jamison - a big risk.  After that it's Ricky Davis, right?  Yuck.  So in order to drum up ANY interest in his piece about free agency, he's got to feature Brand.  Who is, after all, the biggest name who could be available, thank you very much.

But Elton has a perfect middle road to take on all of this.  If he maybe wants out of LA - fine.  Play the final year.  If the decision is to balance a chance to win with getting paid, well then the answer is obvious.  Does anyone seriously think EB wants off the Clippers so much that he'd go to Philly?  FOR LESS MONEY!?!?  Come on.  He'll either sign an extension, or more likely play the final year of this contract.  Here's a little secret - Portland and Seattle have max cap space coming in 2009.  Those are teams EB might sign with.  I'm not happy that I expect to be having these discussions next year again (will he stay?)  But that's what is going to happen.  Write it down.

We'll see Fazekas tonight.

by Steve Perrin on Feb 29, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

RE:
This was the quote from Ford that I was referring to:
Shawn (La Habra, CA): Hello, Mr. Ford. Please do provide us a recipe to fix our miserable Clippers.

SportsNation Chad Ford: They are headed for disaster. Elton Brand and Corey Maggette can opt out of their contract. I could see both leaving LA. That could leave the Clippers as the "Chris Kaman show" .... Ugh. Remember when there was talk about the Clippers eclipsing the Lakers as the best franchise in LA. Now they are in completely different worlds again. It goes to show you how good ownership and good front office really make a difference in pro sports.

That doesn't sound like the quote of someone who thinks EB is staying. I don't much faith into anything Ford says on the NBA but I do think he does a fine job with his draft board.

IDTS will need to do something big to keep the herd from grazing elsewhere and that EB will be amenable to an extension now that he knows his future could be cut short by a simple gesture. So I'm going to predict an extension for EB for the Clippers and not the one year deal.

What is the story on Flip Murray? Is he going to sign and play tonight?

by Phil Gurnee on Feb 29, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Prior to that...
he expressed his surprise that the Clippers weren't trying to trade Brand to free up space and possibly make a run at Marion or something.

Ford is really dim.

by mp on Feb 29, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah...
Well all of that is just plain uninformed.  I had not seen those.

The 2008 Free Agency piece he did this week (which I now can't locate, and the link to which I screwed up in my earlier post, so if anyone can find it I'd appreciate it) listed Brand as the top free agent - but on multiple occasions he admitted Brand wasn't going anywhere.  But that char answer is just simple 'The Clippers are stupid' bullshit.  Not as good as the Lakers?  REALLY?  I mean, that pretty much applies to 29 teams at this point, right?  Since we were talking that way in 2006, three Clippers have had major surgery and the Lakers got Pau Gasol for some magic beans.  And 7 months ago the Lakers came ever so close to blowing up.  So the sentence "It goes to show you how good ownership and good front office really make a difference in pro sports" is just the worst kind of ill-informed banality.  In fact, it very much shows you how good luck and bad luck make a difference.

by Steve Perrin on Feb 29, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Concur - great analysis
Tanking was always the only solution for this year particularly given the strength of next year's class.  Of course, the Clippers can still screw it up.

I wouldn't get overly confident about Shaun starting next year.  The guy blew out his knee on a routine layup.  Be prepared to use Knight and whoever they pick next year at PG which could interfere with our playoff aspirations yet again.  

by Jax on Feb 29, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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