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A long time ago, I posted a poll asking what you Citizens thought of Denver's defense.  My timing was bad - it was a subject on my mind, but with months before the next Clippers-Nuggets game, I had no real reason to post anything about it.  Well, I was patient, and now the Clippers and the Nuggets are playing again.  

In case you did not look it up, at the time I asked the question, the Nuggets were second in the league in defensive efficiency (points allowed per possession).  And today they are fifth in the league.  All season long, they have been in a top 5 defensive team.

It is telling that the poll results have them all over the map.  14% of you correctly identified them as top 5, but more than half (56%) felt like they were a below average defensive team, with one more person putting them in the bottom 5 than had them in the top 5!

The misconception is due in large part to the pace of their games and by an ensuing false assumption.  The Nuggets play at the highest pace in the league - they run a lot, their own possessions are short, and as a result, their games feature more possessions than any other team in the league.  That's right, more than Golden State and more than Phoenix.  Denver averages 97.7 possessions per game; the Warriors are second with 97.1; the Clippers average 91.2, which is 12th in the league.  Those possessions simply give both teams more chances to score, and only 3 teams allow more points per game than the Nuggets.  But you don't have to be immersed in advanced stats to see that points allowed per possession is a better measure of a team's actual defense than points allowed per game.  That just makes sense.

Still, I fancy myself a non-idiot when it comes to things basketball-related, and just don't see Denver as a top tier defensive team.  So to me at least, it's counter-intuitive beyond the simplistic "but they give up a lot of points."  I mean, I understand that they force a lot of turnovers.  I understand that they have quick and active hands and get their hands on a lot of balls (watch for that tonight).  And obviously they've got Camby defending the rim.  But a lot of those deflections are coming from players out of position, cheating into passing lanes and gambling for steals, which more often results in easy buckets for the opponent.  Furthermore, other than Camby and maybe Kenyon Martin, you wouldn't really characterize any other Nuggets regulars as good individual defenders.  Certainly the face players, Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson, have generally deserved reputations as poor defenders.  So what's going on here?  

I've come to the conclusion that the stats don't lie - but neither do they tell the whole story.  The Nuggets DO get a lot of deflections, and MDsr will tell you that deflections are the mark of a very good defensive team.  And Marcus Camby can erase a LOT of mistakes gambling for steals - he leads the league in blocked shots by a wide margin, and for every block there are two or three more challenges at the rim that might save a bucket.  I've become convinced that a top tier shot-blocker (and Camby's the best) is an incredible asset, and in fact enables the gambling defensive strategy that they employ in Denver.  (This all bodes well for the 08-09 Clippers, with TWO top 10 shot blockers on the back line.)

My own bias against Denver stems at least in part from my high school playing days.  Coach LaBelle told me not to reach.  He told me that was bad defense.  So I don't reach.  I move my feet, and stay in front of the guy, but I don't reach.  That's how I was taught to play the game.  And it turns out, I was probably taught wrong.  Or more to the point, reaching in is not ALWAYS bad, despite what Coach LaBelle said.

But there's another factor at play here.  Think of it this way.  Denver is a top 5 defensive club.  Denver has the third and fourth highest scorers in the NBA.  And of course the same way we have to factor in the pace to get a real measure of their defensive ability, we have to factor OUT pace to see how good they really are on offense.  But their 12th in the league.  So if they are first quartile in defense, and second quartile in offense, with not one but TWO brilliant individual scorers - well, that sounds like a formula for a stellar NBA record.  For instance, Golden State is 6th in offensive efficiency but a truly bad 23rd in defensive efficiency - but the Warriors currently have a better record than the Nuggets.  So what gives?  It's pretty obvious the Nuggets are underachieving when you compare their record to their statistics.

The Nuggets are wildly inconsistent.  And I'm not the only one who thinks so.  Back in January after a bad loss to the Lakers, Kelly Dwyer wrote the post that I had been thinking about writing.

And of course this explains another factor in my skewed perception of Denver.  Which, frankly, is that my perception is skewed.  Skewed by the games that I actually SEE them play.  I don't watch the Nuggets 82 games a year.  Honestly, I'm not a fan of Anthony or Iverson (which you may have noticed over the years), and I don't watch them much, despite the fact that they are on national TV a lot.  Here are some of the games I've seen this season:

I've seen four Nuggets games in their entirety this season (and bits and pieces of others, to be sure) and they've been atrocious on defensive in three of them.  So in my experience, they're bad defensively, and the game where they played great on that end is the exception.  Dwyer states it the other way, which based on the data is what in fact must be happening:
The answer here lies in the games that a lot of fans don't see, the contests that aren't on national TV....  This is easily the most inconsistent defensive team in the NBA. It's not even close. They go from dominant, to downright sieve-like.

(Pop culture note: I'm not the only blogger with a thing for Joe Jackson.  I was saddened by the Taco Bell commercial - Joe Jackson shilling Gorditas; KD blogged about it the same day he was talking about the Nugs D.  Me and KD - simpatico.)

I have one other theory on the Nuggets defense - and it would be easy enough to prove or disprove with a little data, but frankly I don't feel like doing the research right now.

You may be aware the Denver is sometimes called 'The Mile High City'.  I was surprised recently to find out that this has nothing to do with the number of slutty flight attendants who live there, but rather is related to the town's elevation, which, as it happens is, like, I dunno, a mile or something above sea level.  Denver's home record is 22-7, while their road record is 12-16.  That's a big disparity.  The altitude is a real factor for visiting teams, and it's not unreasonable to think that pressure defensive tactics in particular might be more effective against a winded team.  A half-step slow to go meet that pass?  That's a steal and a dunk for Carmelo in Denver, when it might well have been a lane to the basket closer to the ground.

So, biases and perceptions and sexy stews aside, Denver is a good defensive team.  Their inconsistency may yet keep them out of the playoffs in the West, but Yao's surgery has probably opened the door wide enough.  We'll see which team shows up tonight, but I'm not optimistic playing them a mile high.  

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Despite your condescending tone Steve (Why so bitter?) you raise a good question.  One that even perplexes Nuggets fans. To help explain Denver's highly efficient defense, there are a few things you 'ought to understand about George Karl's schemes.  First of all Denver's primary focus is to have a large advantage in paint points.  They will sink against any middle penetration where shot-blockers are much less effective.  They will attempt to trap all baseline and post-play and they will always overplay the strong side.  Their team defense is not bad and has gotten better as the season has progressed.  They feast on teams that lack ball-movement and are feasted on by teams who are shooting oriented and willing to make the extra-extra pass.  While Camby is one of the best shot-blockers of the last 20 years, he is very poor man defender on the block, is a horrible p+r defender and won't run to a shooter.   In fact, in years previous Denver's defense has performed better with Camby off the court.  Kenyon Martin is easily Denver's best defender.  He is a very effective man-defender with surprising strength, great feet and the best hands in the business.  He is a very willing peremiter defender and is still versatile enough to cut off penetration more than 20 feet from the basket. Allen Iverson is probably Denver's worst defender, unable to deter penetration or effect shooting guards, he will still make 2-3 game-changing "center-field safety' plays. Carmelo Anthony has improved quite a bit over the years. While he still goes through 3-5 minutes of low energy and un-alert play a game, his man defense has always been very good when motivated and his screen and rotation awarness has improved quite a bit.  He is not nearly as bad as his reputation would lead you to believe.  Of course, Denver's defense is best with utility players which is why you see a substantial +/- difference with Najera on the floor. A healthy Nene would make Denver's defense very formidable in the playoffs, becuase they did the best job  of any playoff team on the Spurs last year with him in (fg % allowed, overall efficiency).  A. Carter is a rec-league guy getting 30 minutes a game.  Ron Artest would have given Denver's defense a chance to be truly elite.

The Nuggets problems have always lied on offense, where there is an admitted dichotomy between A.I. and Melo.  A.I. is the ultimate ball-stopper who's over-dribbling is bieng magnified by a lack of pg counter-balance.   The big debate is a chicken-egg conundrum. Is it becuase of Allen Iverson that Denver does not have a set offense, or would Allen Iverson be effective in a set offense and is GK too lazy to implement one?    Denver's offense would be much more effective if it ran through Melo, who is a willing passer and tends to force the action with-out the proper touches.   Of course, another significant factor that contributes to Denver's middle-of the road-offense is their severe lack of off-ball spacing.  They still have bottom-quarter peremiter shooting, and their top 3 shooters come off the bench.  It is very difficult to have a set offense when your two play-makers are your only finishers.  

If Denver makes it into the playoffs, they will scare anyone but L.A..  A.I. and Melo are good enough to carry the team at least 2 games, if other guys get hot they could pull a big upset.  Certainly, the defense is good enough to get it done especially when Nene comes back.

by rururuland on Feb 29, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did I seem bitter?
I've been plenty bitter lately, in lots of other posts.  I thought I was quite pleasant and not a bit condescending in this one.  By the way, learn to spell perimeter.

Oooh, that felt good.

Seriously, thanks for the update, and I take your word for most of this.  It all rings true.  I've never been a fan of Camby's on ball defense - and I did notice that Denver's defensive numbers improved with Camby off the floor last season while checking on DPOY stats - which shocked me, but there it is.  KMart has always impressed me defensively (although his offense was overrated after playing with JKidd in NJ).  Back in the 2006 series, Kenyon was the ONLY Denver defender who even slowed Brand down, and then when he and Karl fell out, well that was it for that series.  As for Melo, I don't watch him enough to know for sure.  He was focused for Team USA this summer, and played good D there - he certainly CAN do it - but my extended exposure to him frankly is from Clippers-Nuggets playoffs and he was not good.  But that was a long time ago.

by Steve Perrin on Feb 29, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the last team to feel bitter about would be Denver
we love the Melo and the Nuggs around here.  

Denver was losing that series with or without Kenyon.  

by mp on Mar 1, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Condesending to, yes
Bitter about, no!

The Nuggets don't scare anyone, not even Les Clippers Generiques.

by John R on Mar 2, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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